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Early wifom Request town pls | ||
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Lucky dp isn't playing | ||
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On February 24 2014 16:12 Vivax wrote: /in Oh shit just got real homie | ||
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On February 24 2014 16:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Well this playerlist is markedly different from the last 3 or so games I've played in. Looking mostly forward to it. I came out of retirement cos u was in it Broke ya cherry afterall  | ||
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On February 24 2014 17:15 Promethelax wrote: Last time I came back from a long break I replaced into a thirty player game n1. I caught three scum, cleared a half dozen townies and got shot at the end of n1. Every one of my reads was right. But u still lost!!! Muahahahah | ||
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On February 24 2014 19:53 Koshi wrote: No. I can't. I am going to the Americas next week. New York! yay. But no mafia is possible :/ fair enough. | ||
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On February 24 2014 21:22 Vivax wrote: There's no escape this time if you're mafia moc I rolled mafia 6 times in 8 games since nov13 Im due for town love. | ||
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On February 24 2014 21:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Moc <3 Win % says otherwise  Im now @ 50% | ||
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On February 24 2014 21:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I've been hovering @ 50% my entire mafia career on TL. Always at most one game above or below. Or were you referring to scum winrate?  Total, 12W, 12L but that also some junk games like Really Small Mafia and some iffy replacements My last 6 games have one 1-5 Ironically I think Im playing pretty decent as scum, so meh | ||
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anyways games gonna start soon, can we please not add too much more to the post count ctrl+f is onnly effective till p50 thnx for listening to this service announcement | ||
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On February 25 2014 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote: JJD won my first scumgame with me :D Are Chyz and Cavalinho smurfs? Accroding to post history No. | ||
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On February 25 2014 01:37 thrawn2112 wrote: /out i'm so tired | ||
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Muahahahah | ||
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On February 25 2014 23:40 WaveofShadow wrote: I would hereby like to make it known: I will be referring to you as SUKI. Let it be known: I will be referring to her as SUKMI | ||
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On February 25 2014 23:41 marvellosity wrote: suckup. twill be suckdown hmmm.. sounded wittier before i wrote it out. ohh well, too late now. | ||
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Was so excited to play this when I got the role pm Then disaster struck and I was going to replace out Crisis averted and I'm back Phew Moral of the story Hold onto ya phones tight when alighting from trains | ||
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U seem most out of place for me so far Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either | ||
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In Hogwarts mafia Potter was scum | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote: hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend? That's the most important thing to respond from my observation? | ||
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Scummiest so far, yes | ||
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This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? | ||
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February 26 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: [/B]Cool beans, alright. Suki town 'cause feels. The rest of you, why aren't you as good at proving yourselves as her? Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? | ||
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Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already? | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote: suki.lol what. ##vote Mocsta I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). I am confused why u r actually voting me. U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy. Can u go into more detail please. | ||
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On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Gumshoe just tell me now. Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing. Which is. Crating an atmosphere of intimidation If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it. WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people. Should help me figure out if you guys are reading On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote: The irony of that post is it caught a scum in a recent game I played but I cant remember whom.I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. I think it was Holyflare? In hogwarts, he said the same thing: town is on the wrong track and let me get it back on the right track. Syllo called him out rightfully for this. Nice pick up. I suppose we see what eventuates out of his Geript post. as an aside: I am really iffy about Wave, but cant tell if I am reading him negatively out of prejudice or not. Wave What is your actual issue with my play so far? | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2014 10:44 Mocsta wrote: The irony of that post is it caught a scum in a recent game I played but I cant remember whom. I think it was Holyflare? In hogwarts, he said the same thing: town is on the wrong track and let me get it back on the right track. Syllo called him out rightfully for this. Nice pick up. I suppose we see what eventuates out of his Geript post. as an aside: I am really iffy about Wave, but cant tell if I am reading him negatively out of prejudice or not. Wave What is your actual issue with my play so far? I didn't really have one until this post. Where do you see that I have taken issue with your play? That's really fucking weird, Mocsta. Hmmm I misinterpretted. A lot of times you are referencing me its about gumshoe. Carry on. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia. This is correct, my bad. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:51 TheChyz wrote: Hi all. Mocsta seems pretty town to me atm. In his last game (as scum, GSL open mini) his contributions in the middle of day 2 or 3 were worse than they seem right now. geript, why is it unlikely that rayn and toad can't be scum together? erm... what has Day2 or 3 reads as scum, got to do with my reads now in day 1? | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:53 TheChyz wrote: Nothing to do with reads, just the way your playing. Back in that game it seemed like you and vivax/kush were just posting to fill up the thread and waste the day. Here it seems more like your actually trying to scum hunt. That combined with the fact you haven't claimed scum yet  Yeah, i get that, but the point im stating is the phases int he game you are comparing are not comparable. Day1, both town and scum have the same objective. Day2, 3 objectives change based on lynches and how the game progresses. Comparing my scum playing in Day2 has nothing to do with how I play scum Day1. In other words, Gumshoe reasons for calling me town were completely genuine and based on scumqt discussion (which i dont expect ppl like WoS to get). Your reasons for calling me town are fallacious. This doesn't mean i think you are scum, but it does mean I will be paying attention to what your future contributions are. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: In my head you were attacking me constantly/protecting Suki.Can you explain exactly how you made this mistake? I looked through my posts and it seems pretty clear as to who I'm referencing when I talk to or about you or gumshoe. I swapped over to computer and ctrl+f mocsta much less references than I thought. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.@moc Anything you want to discuss? As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. Then this:I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this: Thats funny JJD. Suki responded to the points directly afterwards. Anymore cherry picking you want to do? | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:20 TheChyz wrote: I'm not sure if this is because this is how he plays but holyflare has been making jokes all day 1. Seems like an easy way to get a free pass on the first day if everybody just knows your gonna joke around. The time for joking 24/7 is over I think, is there anything useful you plan on doing this day holyflare, or just gonna draw some more? Hes playing to his 'really small mafia" town meta If town, he will snap out of it (like in that game). If he continues to be useless then hes playing to his "back to basics" scum meta. Lynch wid fyre. | ||
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Are you going to tell me now that all our IRC conversations about Toad were lies? In my opinion, if you are town, and you dont respect a players ability as town you tend to avoid reading their alignment (e.g. Slam) Early game you are chasing ppl you feel confident about reading that can help you. Frankly, the reason I asked your opinion on wave was because I thought we could be useful together if you are town since we just played scum together. Given that decision I took, it is indeed odd to me you did the same but with Toad. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote: So...I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: hmm I didnt get WoS point about and/orMocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that. If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? But rereading this from JJD post, I noticed something stick out to me. The stuff in red/blue is the biggest load of marketing crap I have read in this game so far. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote: JJd is bringing up points on me. He said *MY* actions were scummy.You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that! What are you smoking. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Mocsta is idk for what reason trying to destroy good town atmosphere. That hurts Rayn. | ||
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##Vote: Gumshoe That last post reminded me a lot of how he talked to Bum in GSL IV as if hes doing us a favour by gracing us with his presence. | ||
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Anyways for reference: + Show Spoiler + (1) On February 26 2014 09:08 suki wrote: For me, if you want to fake claim, you just do it.Hey guys, so I moved my thing that I had tonight to Wednesday day/night so I'm here now. I had to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird but anyways I'm Harry Potter. My power is I can shoot ##spells at people and make them do things. If we lynch correctly I learn new spells. Right now my spell list is: ##Expeliarmus - Makes target sheeping player provide reasoning on their vote otherwise they have to unvote. "I am HP, I have #spells" blah blah . The addition of "having to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird" is verbose and the type of fluff I find people write to make themselves feel safe with a lie <--- indicative of a mafia mindset. (2) On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote: So are you saying I'm scummy? On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Scummiest so far, yes On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote: So then why isn't your vote on me? On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote: This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote: I've read this exchange a couple times and come to the same conclusion... null.lol what. ##vote Mocsta I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). I completely agree with what I wrote: "so then why isn't your vote on me?" is very passive aggressive for early Day1 and is a precursor to calling somebody scum. HOWEVER, I can't shake the feeling that Suki is retorting emotionally/personally -- which ties in with being called not Suki prior -- and thus makes me consider this is a townie going passive aggressive based on anger. (3) The rest of the filter makes me lean town somewhat. Im leaning towards I haven't communicated my position well, and Suki has interpreted me the wrong way. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote: That's a pretty martyr-y post. I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now. HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green? U know as scum, when I want to get ppl off a scum buddy. I vote jump on them scummily. Case in point: PYP with Johnnywup In this game, I gave a sound reason for gumshoe. Further, I agree completely after a re-read that his post for calling me town was opportunistic and lacking in detail. Ironically I now prefer Chz position for calling me town. You know, as scum my agenda is to infiltrate town. Thats my goal every game as scum. As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me. The fact that half this game think I am scum, in indicative of me pushing the buttons I DONT as scum. My 6 scum games out of 8, should be indicative of this enough to be gospel. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: WaveofShadow watz the sekret? | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:04 TheChyz wrote: Guess I was supportive of Gumshoe originally because he gave me confidence at a time I felt I was against everyone active (i.e. Wave + Suki)Mocsta what is your reason for voting gumshoe? Surely not just "marketing crap" post you made. You don't really explain it much. But in hindsight having read his reasoning for calling me town, its very generic but is written as fact. Similar to how Gumshoe treated my scum claim in GSL (written very factually). Then when reading stuff like the "marketing crap" thats indicative of the type of fluff I took issue with Suki in the first place. The main difference was, Suki could be trolling etc as the post had no direct impact on the game. Whereas gumshoe used the fluff to substantiate a push onto a read. So yes, it is heavily related to the "marketing crap". Regarding the martyr, I dont take value in that. These days, ppl can pull those cards as they please. Having played scum with Gumshoe recently, I know he is self-aware of his meta, so its not out of question that he could play the card as town or scum. As town, if anything I think hes playing the card prematurely. But thats a personal opinion, and not something I would validate towards a read. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:09 TheChyz wrote: Also, why is my case better now (@Mocsta). Before you told me how "fallacious" it was. Why does it change now? It still is fallacious. But its written with the type of bias I imagine town would be more likely to admit in the thread. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:08 Holyflare wrote: LOLI don't understand, what is the reason for this post? If we should all know your scum meta why would you need to point it out and describe it all to us? Isn't the fact that you "know" your meta a good enough reason to throw your meta out of the window now? This post just leads to wifom and I find it hard to see where your aligns with you posting these defensive meta posts because the fact that you "needed" to post that infers that you do actually care what other people are thinking about you. If anything this is a more "infiltration" post because you're pointing out why you must be town, just like you tried to point it out with the JJD post earlier. Me no likey you ##Vote Mocsta if this is your town play, no wonder you only won the champsionship whilst scum. Your trying too hard to find connections that arent true HF. When you stop looking at keywords, and start considering the whole parapgrah, you will realise, that to infiltrate as per my mantra, would mean outright as scum I wouldnt make a post like that. Of course im aware of my meta, who isnt. I might adjust my game as in how I post etc to satisfy other players.. but the core intent remains the same. You should know this.... mr champion. | ||
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A lot of people are saying im playing suspcious, but noone has outlined what the problem is? (in my opinion) | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:16 Holyflare wrote: Yeh, I'm quite happy where my vote is. So, you are happy that your scum read has posted so brazenly that within a span of 2hrs you have identified multiple "contradictions". Congratulations HF, with scum hunting like this, the game is over before it started. | ||
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i voted ya too. I know my accusations are not directly said to you, but, any reason you not commenting on those? | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote: The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? | ||
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Games a cluster for me right now and gumshoe tugged at the right heartstrings. Sigh. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote: I'm prob treating you differently because I think you are town and thats my way of dealing with you whether right or wrong.Ok, I'll humour you. Explain to me why you get all on wave for posting his gumshoe policy meaningless post and telling him how if he's town he isn't being conducive to finding gumshoe's alignment but then the past page and a half of your filter is all self-meta posts and chastising me for having a scum read on you (peppered slightly with gumshoe/suki stuff)? What kind of environment are you trying to create and if it's a townies best interest to glean information from others sensible posts why are you berating me instead of questioning why I have those reads? I fail to see from any of this why its mafia mindset specific. I haven't read RSM since we played it, so no idea if its reminiscent I doubt it given my care factor for that game was zilch. As I said in my first post, I had high hopes for this game when I got my town pm. Then I lost my phone in the train tracks which put a considerable dent into the day. Am I making an emotional play here, no I am not. Im am merely giving context for where my care factor is today even given my shitty start to the day. Hot Tip, its pretty high. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote: Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? | ||
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Does this mean you think I am town? | ||
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Current reads: Wave Suki Gumshoe Calvalinho toadesstern ange777 jarjardrinks vivax geript Holyflare thechyz rayn Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 26 2014 10:51 TheChyz wrote: Reading this a few times I take issue not with calling me town, but by him making a reference to the quality of my contributions. This suggests he agrees somewhat with the Suki read (which was my only contribution at the point in time). The rest of his filter lethargically references Suki once.Hi all. Mocsta seems pretty town to me atm. In his last game (as scum, GSL open mini) his contributions in the middle of day 2 or 3 were worse than they seem right now. geript, why is it unlikely that rayn and toad can't be scum together? On February 26 2014 10:53 TheChyz wrote: Firstly, Vivax/Kush were town, so the comparison is not apples to apples - as has already been discussed.Nothing to do with reads, just the way your playing. Back in that game it seemed like you and vivax/kush were just posting to fill up the thread and waste the day. Here it seems more like your actually trying to scum hunt. That combined with the fact you haven't claimed scum yet Secondly, perhaps you can tie "trying to scum hunt" with the contributions discussed above. However, again, this indicates that either TheChyz agrees with my read (a la Gumshoe) or thinks my motives are genuine. Which is important to keep in mind later. On February 26 2014 11:16 TheChyz wrote: Here, TheChyz casually queries Suki indicating that he does not share my read. The question posed will not provide any alignment indicative response either.Ionno suki, are you going to come in and provide any attempt at reads or just ask questions all day long? As per your question, I have hunches on some things, but nothing I feel is actually worth saying atm. Further, TheChyz is now dangling the "active lurker" carrot; which is odd, considering of all the things he chose to talk about, he wanted to discuss me as a town read -- when I wasn't under any specific heat either. On February 26 2014 11:20 TheChyz wrote: The timing of this post just feel premature and the stance is odd. On one hand it is berating Holyflare for joking; on the other hand, its not asking HF to particpate in any direction that will improve our read on him. Its essentially a slap on the wrist post with no further intent.I'm not sure if this is because this is how he plays but holyflare has been making jokes all day 1. Seems like an easy way to get a free pass on the first day if everybody just knows your gonna joke around. The time for joking 24/7 is over I think, is there anything useful you plan on doing this day holyflare, or just gonna draw some more? On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote: The phrasing is not fluid or natural to me.To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that. Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about. Regarding fluidity: I think this would be written "Also in bold, as town I never have thought "xxxx" Regarding natural: I know when I've rolled scum, i often write a statement, proof read and then go.. ahh.. let me add "when town" typically at the end. This feels very much the same. i.e. the "as town" component is a last addition designed to give strength to the argument. On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote: This post has already been commented by others and I agree. Its an unusual position to take. Normally you would just say "hes null".I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: The important thing to note is that previously TheChyz stated he would only comment if something is wroth commenting on. So why... is he so fixated on someone calling "Rayn/Toad" town.kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript He seems to refuse to accept they can both be town; yet, hasnt given a direct indication of his read on either player. Very scummy. In summary: Overall, TheChyz arguments have been weak and offer no insight into his thought process. He is calling out people prematurely (e.g. Holyflare + Rayn/Toad) yet doesnt indicatve whether he reads those players town or scum. He also prematurely calls me town when not under fire for my scumhunting, yet doesnt seem to support my reads. Lastly, he goes out of his way to dodge questions (e.g. to Suki). Now, TheChyz could be super paranoid town that doesnt want to give away information. HOWEVER, I dont attribute his posting as giving that vibe. I suppose this is epitomised by: On February 26 2014 14:31 TheChyz wrote: Typo seen ^ *gumshoe is currently set to be lynched*. 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On February 26 2014 17:02 TheChyz wrote: + Show Spoiler + Just some stuff on you and WoS clogging up the thread with your discussion surrounding gumshoe. It just felt like it was going no where and more like an ego thing at the end (which if I remember correctly I think WoS sayed he kept his vote in spite or something along those lines). Also suki just rubbing me the wrong way with here weird defensiveness and interactions with mocsta. Not sure what but something from reading her filter just doesn't seem right. And somethings on mocsta but I have to re-read his filter to see what. Mostly I just remember his very jumpy nature from a target to another and his vote is very weak in my opinion. But nothing I think will lead anywhere atm and just something to maybe keep an eye This is the missing puzzle to my points below. I thought when you were questioning me prior, you have "scum read" undertones, which is now confirmed. Thank you. I add to my summary that your reads flip flop with thread sentiment. ##Vote: TheChyz | ||
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I read through your points against me in more detail and can not comprehend your position in the slightest. (1) On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote: Agreed. I commented on Wave about trying to take an intimidation dump on Gumshoe. I do that as either alignment.You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that! It is your comparison to JJD that makes zero sense. Firstly, I havent tried to intimidate him -- which already invalidates your argument. Secondly, my response was completely related to a component of what he wrote. I would love to hear why writing the below is purely indicative of a scum mindset: in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. (2) On February 26 2014 12:08 Holyflare wrote: If your argument is I was discussing how my scum meta is different to this game - makes me scum... then sure, I can accept that may hold water as an early day1 vote.I don't understand, what is the reason for this post? If we should all know your scum meta why would you need to point it out and describe it all to us? Isn't the fact that you "know" your meta a good enough reason to throw your meta out of the window now? This post just leads to wifom and I find it hard to see where your aligns with you posting these defensive meta posts because the fact that you "needed" to post that infers that you do actually care what other people are thinking about you. If anything this is a more "infiltration" post because you're pointing out why you must be town, just like you tried to point it out with the JJD post earlier. Me no likey you ##Vote Mocsta However, your argument was founded upon a comparison to me calling out WaveofShadow. There is no validity in this comparison. Full stop. Frankly, I find your strawman argument completely over dramatised; and I find it hard to believe you would jump over the above with a vote, if town. Having said that, you are the weakest of the 3 reads I listed prior. | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. Geript, I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent??? Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad. | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: No you literally reread him, even made a case that never ended up being a case because there were "townie things and scummy things so you ended up on a null read". Then, after suki has posted nothing at all after that, you say she is your #2 scumread. That's pure bullshit. No, sometimes when you read filters, and posts are not quoted, its difficult to appreciate context. I did the Suki filter dive before lunch. I did a reread of the game after lunch. What was my scumslip that you alluded to before. | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Mocsta, your read on suki makes no sense. Either you made a bullshit read when you called her null, or you are making a bullshit read on her now when you call her town. Either way those things are contradicting each other and that alone makes you mafia. LOL. So Im town if my reads dont evolve as the game progresses and scum if my reads  O* evolve as the game progressesGood luck getting me lynched with that argument. Do you have a problem I listed Suki as town because of my history with Suki; or becuase you disagree? | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:45 TheChyz wrote: So what made you think of suki as a high town from a null read. Fill in the gap please. Already did above. So to be clear: by using the phrase "coaching" you are officially stating 2 scum reads are: Suki + Mocsta. correct? p.s. nice dodge on my case http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078¤tpage=32#632 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078¤tpage=32#633 | ||
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Gentlemen and 2 ladiesif rayn cannot follow your thought process intimately than YOU MUST be scum. .... Hey wave, rayn is. Creating 2 options where I must be compartmentalized as scum. How does this fit in with your prior theory that town should be inherently open to possibilities?? | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:59 TheChyz wrote: @Moscta, because most of the cases one me are weak as hell and the only thing I agree with is that I had been making fairly soft cases early on and not pushing my reads. And somehow once again you manage to not put your balls on the chopping block and commit to stating whether suki and I are scum reads. your responses falls direcrly inti my case, yet isnt a point worht discussing to you Chortle | ||
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On February 26 2014 20:39 Holyflare wrote: and your stance on the JJD thing was nothing to do with intimidation it's to do with the fact that you said to wave "even if it's not intimidation it gleans nothing about gumshoe's alignment", yet, in the next 2 pages of your filter the majority of it was nothing to do with discovering alignments and ALL to do with people "knowing" yours the mafia mindset behind it is that you were under a lot of pressure in your mind and the first thing that goes through your mind was to post how you were playing to your town meta rather than your scum one and then jump on people that called you scum for reasoning you didn't understand rather than discuss it through to get people to have a different frame of mind on you and do more scum hunting. In fact, when I gave you the opportunity to explain your thought processes you said it's because you thought I was town and now you have completely backtracked on that and put me in your bottom 3 and so your explanation now holds 0 weight at all my whole issue with wave was intimidation. I dont care if you think otherwise. regarding the second paragraph, i dont see where in the post you quoted i jumped on JJD. further, as town I always change my reads actively. thats a known fact. Further again, obviously we have a communication breakdown. My usage of the word town ranges frmo 51% to 100% in other peoples scale. My only "firm"/"strong" town read is Wave. Im not even sure why ppl like rayn are stating Suki is my second strongest town read, she just happens to be the first person in my "townish" bracket. | ||
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On February 26 2014 20:58 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta you played with her a lot (coached?), what makes you lean town on her from what she's posted? I have only chatted with her briefly in IRC. Regarding my read change #1 - I agreed on a reread she was relatively jovial early game #2 - Whilst I would consider he approach to my accusations, scummy if level headed. I think she already was slightly on tilt at that point in time -- so its more difficult to use that action to indicate alignment #3 - On February 26 2014 10:46 suki wrote: I didn't really understand why toad and rayn called each other town, but it didn't strike me as completely odd. Certainly not scummy. Hmm Toad just replied with reasoning let me see. This is pretty much toad's reasoning on why rayn is town, pretty much a meta read. Which means nothing to me so I'll just wait for them to contribute more before coming to any conclusions. This post indicates Suki is a meticulous player as far as im concerned (due to refreshing the thread prior to posting). The fact that she evaluated her opinion based on completely fresh information to me is a pretty town thing to do given the context. #4 - On February 26 2014 12:12 suki wrote: I'm heading to bed. Mocsta is still my #1, I don't like TheChyz dodging my question and just sort of actively lurking. I'll reread the thread in the morning and post more in depth reads then. I also like the callout on Chz. I believe she was the first person to consider him. The truly dumb thing about Rayns reaction to my adjustment on Suki is specifically the posts I commented on in my nullish read. I only ended up commenting on 2 posts, mainly because the others I didnt take issue with. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:12 Holyflare wrote: Your a piece of shit HF.So why does a meticulous player make her longest post so far to say that toad has said nothing and she'll wait and see? Meticulous players would play the same as either alignment, so why when you call me out for saying things that are alignment unindicative in your opinion do you then take something so meaningless and take that as alignment semi-indicative? | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:19 Holyflare wrote: I asked you 2 questions mocsta, why you hate me? !Because you're not trying to actually talk to me. You're trying to provoke me; its pretty clear you are talking with me with a premeditated mindset. So fuck off. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:25 Holyflare wrote: Toad why you writing so much to justify your read on geript who you are already voting for? This is what doesn't add up: Why are you using all of this to push geript when you thought he was scummy before you gave him the chance to explain? Explain and vote do not go together. I dont get this from you HF. Are you stating that are player can not campaign for a player to be lynched after hes voted them? | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:12 Holyflare wrote: So why does a meticulous player make her longest post so far to say that toad has said nothing and she'll wait and see? Meticulous players would play the same as either alignment, ..... since you wanted the first half responded to. I dont get what your point is. I used meticulous as a word choice to describe her refreshing the thread prior to posting - something i dont do as either alignment, but often regret. Frankly. I dont know how to respond to your query, because I dont understand the issue in the first place. In your world, a player can not make an observation? Whilst we both agree Sukis "observation" did not progress the game forward, in my opinion, its a useless comment more likely to serve the purpose of a townie that thinks their opinino is valuable vs a scum trying to feign contribution. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:33 Holyflare wrote: Have you even read suki's other games x_x??? Link them to me and I read ! | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:35 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=suki lol reading. | ||
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havent read the town games yet. but based on the 2 scum games i saw (2014 and 2012) I dont find them anything like this game. Nice thing was, in the 2014 scum game, TheChz was there as town, so gotta read that one too. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote: He was asking loaded questions where his mind was already made up before the question was asked - in my opinion.Phoneposting: So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail? Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it. Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list I cant tell if this is rhetorical? We seem to be saying the same thing? Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning? I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on. I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key. I havent done it yet, BUT, before considering JJD its prob pertinent to read BttB. Also I might lynch JJD. I keep getting the feeling his trajectory is following a similar path, but I dont know why. | ||
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some feedback would be appreciated http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz&view=all Thats Chz as town, for me, his filter here and there is markedly different. Agree? | ||
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I dont hold much merit in the shadow games due to coaching influence. Regardless of whether a player used the coach effectively or not, its still a subconscious confidence booster, and inherently provokes people to think about issues deeper. I will read the game regardless since you say there is a difference -- just giving my 2c about that in general. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Also rampant overuse of meta in this game so far, and yet only towards speciufic people Is that weird? Ie everyone uses meta to discuss suki, gumshoe, no-one uss it to discuss geript. Why? Im really conflicted on Geript. On one hand, it feels like he is going out of his way to explain his position. I think hes writing freely (albeit hes overusing "like"). On the other hand, none of what he writes makes sense to me. To be honest, im kinda hesitant to pus him one way or another but tahts cos my last memory of him was trolling DP to rage quit i spose and then modkilling himself. Meh | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:02 Holyflare wrote: I don't think it's as different as you make it out to be. He does have 2 pages in day 1 here though whereas he had 4 on day 3 in that game :D Besides, don't base everything on dem meta's because what he's done this game is questionable anyway. I find it completely different because in the town game he shows an inquisitive mindset and even from a skim its clear he has his own thoughts on the game., Look with suki, there sa massive change in style between shadow and shadow reboot. Just overall light heartedness. From glancing over the town n scum games; personally i still think she is town; HOWEVER, I also have noticed that after the first 24hrs or so she tends to produce analytical posts. I suggest this will be the best way to get an accurate read on her. Unfortunately its highly possible she will bandwagon Chz (which is relatively legitimate as either alginment) so I am not actually sure how much weight to give that. meh. bored now. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:23 Toadesstern wrote: wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about: Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness. At the very least this is worth some talking Is this for real... the entire point of those 3 lines was to state that JJD always reads me wrong he got it straight away. This isnt rocket science toad. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote: [/b]That explanatino is actually very reasonable for why you made taht comment.Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. [b\##unvote ##vote toadescum hmmm, I was giving toad a townish lean based on joviality. i cant say you have said enought o make me consider voting him though. Have you looked into Chz at all? | ||
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Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls. (Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall) | ||
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Im pretty sure you town though. Im curious though, you havnt commented on my case on Chz. If you truly think im scummy one of the things you should be doing is breaking down my case on Chz to say if you think its bullshit. Just because you can't follow my reads doesnt make me town or scum; just means i dont communicate well to you. The Chz case is the key to me currently, and I think its pretty decent. Your case amounts to pants on head and town over-transparency. | ||
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I need your breakdown of my case. There is no value to geting a biased opinion on Chz, before reading my case - since you are clearly misinterpretting me. In particular your first comment about over-defensiveness. | ||
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On February 27 2014 00:25 suki wrote: Although since you're here, mind going over why you think rayn is scum? And explaining your flip flop on gumshoe. Suki, Im a feel player. Every town game, ppl call me scum for not being consistent and not understanding that my ranking system isnt equivalent to everyone elses. Regarding Rayn: Again, its a feel read, and not a priority for me this cycle - hence why i havnt gone into detail. Note, Rayn didnt query this either. Regarding Gumshoe: I can't remember. His posts on the read through seemed OK with me and not as "dramatic" as others were pointing out. e.g. stuff like the martyring felt contextually fine to discuss. | ||
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I think you are treating this scenario based on how *YOU* would approach the situation. Your interpretation is plausible: RAyn is town, was aware of the OP and demonstrated quick wit which yes, leans heavily towards town over scum. What you may not be aware of is: Rayn is a setup man and as either alignment always has firm opinions on how to approach the setup optimally. The fact that he had the mental acuity to do the miller "joke" instead of berate you is not a solid town tell for someone like Rayn - which Geript rightfully pointed out. Thus, its also plauisble: Rayn was aware this was a trap, and dismantled the trap in an optimal manner. This applies as town or scum. i.e. he didnt attack you because the trap was so stupid he would look bad for doing it. I find the second option more likely..... | ||
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I dunno how to handle this Toad/you dispute. Its becoming an issue for me because neither of you are commenting on anything outside this dispute. I dunno if Toad being stupid makes him scum; im still leaning town on him. Now not just for effort but for wat looks like genuine CB. You are becoming more clear/concise with your thoughts which is helping me get a feel for your alignment. I would appreciate if you could comment on Suki now that she has produced a deeper thought post. (i.e. her case on me) | ||
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On February 27 2014 00:54 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah i got the thing was to do with Geript. I was just commenting on that specific piece.okay first of all, my point at this point in time really isn't about rayn being town or not but with geript being caught in a net of lies, like stating he though it's a troll and stuff like that. So I'd rather like you to comment on geript than on rayn, that's the thing that gets us forward. Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion. He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so. With Geript, im still null with him; but personally hes not the type of guy I feel comfortable with lynching Day 1. Further, whilst I kinda get where you are coming from.. I feel some things are being given a toad interpretation. When I think of my motives when I play scum, and how my scum mates played in GSL mini.. i dont think we were trying to blatantly piss people off early Day1. You are poking aroudn for opportunities and yes, if you see them you will go for it (case in point: Rayn).. i dunno i just think a scum guy would have dropped this by now. Geripts maintained his position much like yourself and avoided discussing anything else.. much like yourself to me this really reads more like town CB than scum feigning. Another reason why Im suspect of Chz. Hes picking and choosing what to comment on and is actively adjusting his reads with thread sentiment. | ||
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Theres a reason with Chz you are so unsure of his position.. its because he is intentionally not releasing the information, so *YOU* have to fill the gaps. This is classic scum play. My case highlights this - so i thought. And again, you seem to be completely misinterpreting what I write but meh, you gotta live with these things sometimes. If you want an example of the impact ambiguity can play. Check out Mordanis in GSL Mafia IV. Everyone filled in the gaps for him, and just assumed he didnt know better. Seriously Suki, you played recently with Chz where he was town and you were scum. Do you think there are similarities in play? | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:17 TheChyz wrote: And who is that scum Chz.So let me get this straight, your still pissy about toad thinking rayn is town. Why? That doesn't help scum hunt in the slightest. All your doing is clogging up the thread trying to convince others that their town read is wrong. Guess what, not everybody will have the same town reads as you. It's not towns job to find town, its towns job to eliminate scum. | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:22 suki wrote: ok I had some free time. Mocsta's defense is that he's a feels player and that people call him out for being inconsistent. I'm not sure how I feel on that. As town, you have reasons for your moves. You had a reason for voting gumshoe and a reason for putting him as townie after. I don't understand how Rayn is on your list of scum and your only reason is 'it's a feel' and you're not trying to point out scummy things about him just because 'he's not a priority'. I want to hear why you think Rayn is scummy. Also why HolyFlare is scummy. Not sure if you elaborated previously but if you can summarize HF that would be good. Again, when I have more time I'll take a closer look. Im sorry Suki. I dont want to alienate you; but Chz is my priority to lynch. Actively discussing people like RAyn/HF is just going to deter from that. Yes, you are correct, i had reasons for my moves. As I would if scum. The difference between me n Chz is, that I am not intentionally trying to mislead you. I am being overly-transparent. Look, read Bereft in Back to Basics if you care. Specifically ctrl + f mocsta. We were both town, yet you sound identical to him. So much so, even in LYLO he refused to consider me town for the same reason you point out. What im saying is, you dont like my actions, because you wouldnt play that way. That doesnt make me scum. | ||
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At this point my care factor is pretty low I dunno what's worse: rolling scum when u k ow the rest of ya team lurks or playing a game like this where everyone jumps on u, it no1 a really specifies why I am scum. Everyone issue seems to be that they cant my mindset... Which is null Either way if it takes me flipping town for people to play this game properly so be it. I think rayn looks better than say 12hrs ago. He's prob the only person I am comfortable with that has voted me. Toad is prob town but is a real idiot. His thoughts may be crystal clear but that doesn't make the outcome right. Vivax is a real surprise vote. I assume he's going to state one of me and gum is scum. Now he's town on gum I have become that town read. He's tingling me right now pretty hard after his opportune vote switch. Pls remember he was pushing wos and then pounced on me. I need to reread suki case against her 2014 scum game. I have her back at null from a rethink. On one hand her cases were pretty lacklustre. On the other hand I'm still giving credit for being CB. I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today. I don't care for cavalinho questions, but I liked him based on association with chz. If cha was somehow town I would consider cavalinho as sleeper scum Jjd is town. Too many flip-flops on me which are unwarrantedironically this is how I'm playing the game yet I'm apparently not town. Its a concern ange hasn't posted but I think she said she would be away initially. Lastly HF I guess. Dunno I don't like him but its pure feel. I expect him to be better than this is prob the crux. Hmmm so that's where I am at To me CHz posting hasn't improved and I still think he is intentionally withholding his position on matters. He's my vote for the cycle. Like I said. Today is crunch day for me at work so I wasn't even meant to post this. That's it. Obviously I would prefer to not be lynched but this game is quickly heading towards if I don't like it. Its scum mentality which will not help my cause. Ciao and if I flip look hard at vivax. | ||
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I don't disagree with vivax but u confuse me selfishly. He's a stronger read than me??? U think I'm a possibility for scum? | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and I see Mocsta DID get back and he posted some shitty reads thing. kk. I really dunno what u want or expect from me. Not a single person has explained why my actions are scum mindset only. Rayn the only one that attempted to do this.again, I have no idea what ya problem is. | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you actually around to talk? I don't HAVE a good read on you like most other people seem to (my own weakness---I never am able to read you particularly well) but as Rayn/Toad feel good about it if it came down to it I would have too if I hadn't looked into Vivax---Vivax sheeping along means nothing. And yeah I know the question isn't inane, I ask stuff like that all the time but I was giving Vivax the benefit of the doubt for the sake of my case. Not really able to talk or think deeply. I dunno this is annoying. I have to focus on work but I can't stop refrshing If u want something ask it. And if its detailed I will give it a crack at lunch time in say 4 hrs. | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:00 Vivax wrote: I don't get thisMocsta the problem I have with you is that you don't have a locked on target and push it, and defend yourself, and post a shitload. I know you as being way more headstrong as town. Remember smurf mafia? THAT tryhard, that's mocsta how I remember it as town. So you're either in a horrible mood and feel defeated, which I think is more likely to happen to scum cause they tend to live in paranoia, or you genuinely have no time and don't give a shit. Or maybe you completely changed your playstyle for giggles. I think this was your filter, like last half of it. You were a replacement right? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=413713&user=TheDavison&view=all Besides, if you're town it's not too late. There are some points I'd like you to address. Gumshoe's confidence in your townieness. Your WoS townread. A somewhat conclusive read on geript would be appreciated. And whatever else you can think of of your own. I'm locked on chz I'm also genuinely busy as in I have a deadline to meet which is sackable Its my own fault for signing up I would afk right now regardless of alignment. Further I find your analysis half heartened. U r comparing my game this game to old town games yet u just played a game where I was scum and no comparison has been given. At this point I actually wish kush was playing. Truth is vivax. The reasoning above is a total copout I have given my read on geript already I don't see anything wrong with gumshoe. In fact its disturbing the way u and rayn contrast with gumshoe considering we all played together. I have a town read on wos because of his approach to the game. I feel he's evaluating information as it presents in a open way. He also asks what I think are fair questions. | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: t all based on knowing my schedule.You seem pretty concerned that you're going to get lynched when you have like 23h. As far as I can tell there's a little bit of sheepy sheepy going on and thread sentiment seems kinda mixed. I think at this point it's probably pretty important for you to give some real detailed justifications for reads (apparently including the read on me, which wasn't mentioned in your recent listpost). Another option: you still want TheChyz lynched--- (and I still haven't read him oh noes Vivax gon' lynch meh) can you give me a TL;DR to make it a little easier for me as a jumping off point and then we can talk about that? I made that post not thinking I would be continually distracted. I.e. I thought it would be my last post for the cycle. As for chz my case hasn't changed Ctrl f vote chez I'm on fine. Too hard to paste. Sorry | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail? There was nothing to respond to U created two situations where I must be scum only I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already | ||
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Well whether u r a fan or not is not important (of the chez case) If u want to read my alignment make a judgement call on whether its intentionally bullshit Or whether I believe what I wrote in my own twisted way | ||
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U r misreading what suki wrote She asked me to make a case on rayn I said no because my priority is chz Her point if view is that as scum with low credit I would try to appease her, thus would garnish info in rayn. Instead I believe chz is scum and approached the game in a way to focus | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now what does you missing mafia (whatever that might mean) have to do with what the rest of the town is doing and you misrepresenting it? I want you to answer specifically these things:
[2.] I don't understand how you read suki's posts three times and end up in a different conclusion every time. Which time you didn't read closely, because i can't believe you read someone closely enough to make a big post on them but not closely enough that after a re-read you form a different opinion on them. After your last re-read, which are the posts from suki that outweigh the earlier scummy posts from her so much that you are confident enough to call her town? Now Mocsta, i know you know how to make people think about certain way of you when you are mafia. You appeal to emotion a lot because you know what people want to hear. Based on suki's case on you it's totally possible that you changed your read on her just to throw her off you, which apparently worked out if you are mafia and she is town. The fact that you call me town now, it does not work, and i also want ot hear this:
1. My personal assessment of your character 2. My attention is very diverted this game cos of real life. Hence what I think about things changes when I reread. Yes I'm guilty of outputting low formed thoughts. 3. Mainly because u approached early game ignoring me. I expected u to spend a lot of time on me given we were just hydraed. | ||
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I hope u r not town though cos I really expected something different from u. Just like I expect things from thrawn I personally don't see how what I'm doing is promoting a scum agenda OTHER unintentionally discrediting myself... Which no1 has actually specified. Further I'm pretty sure I have never responded to Ppl calling me scum in this way. U said before I tell Ppl what they want to hear so they get off me. I haven't done that rayn, which is agitating u further.... Whatevs I really gotta go | ||
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M first comment in the gsl scum qt was that BH promised to roll me town and didn't. Not that it matters but I did the same thing this game Anyways I'm not spelling ya name wrong intentionally Auto correct in a rush. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In GSL BH actually did promise Mocsta to roll him town and didn't (because what's the point of hydraing if you are scum?!?). So either Mocsta has requested the same thing again and didnt' get it or he is modconfirming himself as town in which case he should be modkilled. Rayn Yes I asked the host to roll me town I also commented on it in the thread pregame..... It doesn't mod confirm me anything Cav. Yes I was thedavison My profile has all my games. Maybe u should read mafia lxiv before the restart to see how I troll as town. | ||
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I mean rayn position is so stupideither I'm town or scum. No shit sherlock | ||
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Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax? | ||
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By saying I was Davison and pointing to a troll game? | ||
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I can swing to chz or vivax as it stands I'm on chz now cos he's still not producing anything useful | ||
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On February 27 2014 15:03 geript wrote: Like it's super scummy but you have a freebie pass... You should be thanking me. One thing I can't reconcile with u is the constant reenforcement that newbies get a pass.. Scum team is based on list position not host wifom And why did u not comment that I am surprised u haven't said I'm town for moclogic. | ||
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Appealing to past performances is not a viable means of persuasion regarding this game. As for toad. I haven't noticed anything particular that is specific to a scum mindset. | ||
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That was way too in sync De ja vu | ||
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Can u pls confirm that toad is referring to the mysterious meta via post you made?? | ||
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If its a good catch, how is it null? The direct implication of a goof catch is that its meaningful.... Co side ring this is your primary scumspect, I find the response weird | ||
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On February 27 2014 22:03 Vivax wrote: Ange7, can you tell me what you think of Mocsta's early aggression on suki in the early game banter around page 14? Like, he calls her for scum for overly wording a joke claim. On the other hand he's the first to call somebody out as scummy if I'm not mistaken. For someone that tried to come acros as Mr.Analytical in GSL, you are applying much hyperbole this game. I said specifically: Suki was teh scummiest player in the game *SO FAR*. Half the game had not posted. Its called pressure. | ||
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On February 24 2014 14:10 Mocsta wrote: /in Early wifom Request town pls Rayn you are an idiot and im sick of hearing you bitch about it. My first post in the game... not once have I insinuated I am town because of this. Drop it. | ||
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On February 27 2014 21:10 Vivax wrote: Rayn tell me more about this moconfirmation stuff. It seems like horseshit to me. Also, I'm disappointed. Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads). Post reasoning for me being scum. See Wave case. Are you going to say its scummy to sheep something solid? trololololol Chyz was my primary scum read from before i made that list post. I dont get what ya problem is, I wrote the names in the order of the player list, since I copy/pasted.. .its not rocket science. You are looking for extremely cheap reasons to validate your contributions + Waves case as above -- which I noted you did not address/acknowledge Personally i find town often do not address cases but O* always acknowledge them.##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On February 27 2014 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you do like marvesque catch up where you quote and comment on posts when you catch up? Like just a small comment like "i like this post", or "i disagree because [insert small reasoning]", or "this is scummy"? It would be valuable to know where you stand at each point of your catch up as by that way you are "reading the thread like everyone else is". No need to ask anything but just to comment on, to let people know where you stood at each point of the game and what your thoughts were at that time. If it does not suit your style then ignore this proposition. Not that you care, but i like this post a lot from you. On the surface, the request is obviously a pro-town move any alignment can make. But the way you went about it, giving lots of detail and seem genuinely keen to hear feedback on an unknown seems very town-esque to me. I think a scum way of saying this would be: Can you do like marvesque catch up where you quote and comment on posts when you catch up? No need to ask anything but just to comment on, to let people know where you stood at each point of the game and what your thoughts were at that time. | ||
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On February 27 2014 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care man. Your post was a dick move. You know exactly how i deal with it regardless of what i say. so either be town or be a dick. I noted in BttB you held this position with me; that I should *know* how you respond to things. I clearly don't know. you take issue with a lot of things i don't expect you then, and don't do the things I do expect of you. e.g. I really expected you to try and connect with me early game. Maybe im too used to playing with Thrawn recently. | ||
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On February 27 2014 22:20 Vivax wrote: Why is this being pointed as a note of relevance?If his meta wasn't so different from GSL I'd be still thinking that gum is scum. The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong. Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail. Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting. Are you suggesting town can not be serious early game? Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying [/B]WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious. Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion. Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime. I love the colourful language "illusion" Nice loaded question, Vivax Wave made a post prior calling out a scumslip from a previous game, and applying it to me. Maybe it was in jest, maybe it wasnt. I was trying to get Rayn involved in the game, and asked his opinion. Its funny how you are trying to justify by position by querying anything that sticks out to you as pounce-able. An extremely scum mindset approach to the game indeed. | ||
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On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote: Vivax,What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it. That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other. Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events. The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript). _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Nitpicking from this case is strictly forbidden, either you address all points and give a conclusive opinion or your remarks will be ignored. what is the meaning of @geript? Is it related to: On February 26 2014 14:13 Vivax wrote: I'm impressed by the high post count just within 5 hours, currently just skimmed to see if geript has posted his townie seal. He hasn't. He's scum. Now back to reading. i.e. you are recanting the scum read? | ||
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On February 27 2014 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Except I seem to also remember you simply backing down, saying: Why no mention of the 'implied' scum in that post earlier? Surely you could have said it was because of that post? (It was jest in the end I suppose, btw.) Explanation: thought he looked scummy, voted him. Yeah, i thought there was more posts than just that one. When i went looking for it and saw it, i realised it could have been in jest. | ||
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On February 27 2014 22:34 Vivax wrote: [/B]So you thought Wave scumread you cause of ? Way to make the game confusing. no </b> In PYP, i posted twice where i bolded using <b> Rayn called me out for it, but somehow it got dropped lol Ahh, the funsies | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:19 Vivax wrote: I find this post curious.Mocsta Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. *snip* I asked my question in the first place because: On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote: <About Gumshoe> That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town. Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument. WoS, i cant remember ya case; did you touch on this stuff? | ||
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On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote: Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe Oh well back to lurking. I remember WoS touched on this. But I want to reemphasise how significant this post is towards a scum mindset. (1) Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. Starts by belittling all the players as this infers everyone is playing terrible that scum can win ezpz (Town often do this when trying to shit on a specific player -- which is not what happened here) (2) You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way Then identifies the issue with existing town atmosphere (3) and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe If the gumshoe read is solid, why would you call him out for noncontributing?This demonstrates a clear lack of conviction towards gumshoe. Further, point (2) suggests it would have been productive if town was questioning Vivax (and not his read Gumshoe). I can not correlate this mindset with that of a townie in any way, shape or form. (4) Oh well back to lurking. Hes admitting that unless called out, he has nothing he wants to input on. So why make this place in the first place... its basically a "I'm still alive guys" post. Nothing more, nothing less. Then you have the stuff that is missing: i.e. Gives zero direction on how to improve the situation Gives zero effort to campaign gumshoe further Gives zero deduction on whether the players fighting each other are town-town; town-scum; scum-scum Again, I can not correlate this mindset with that of a townie in any way, shape or form. | ||
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Straight out of GSL On February 14 2014 06:37 VIVAX420 wrote: Still waiting for opinions on Shiao and sidesprang. ~V In this game, we get the post from Vivax I quoted before where he takes a dump on town and then says he will go back to lurking. Note, there is no gobetween with Gumshoe. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:06 Toadesstern wrote: Toad, did you read the context of why I raised that point?I'm not playing host-wifom. I don't understand why rayn thinks you're confirmed town for no reason and I think the fact that that's a thing makes you even more likely to be mafia. It was specifically relating to gumshoe saying he is aware of my mentality because we played scum together. The sad thing is, this is very similar to your position (just opposite decision) with the miller claim (i.e. you would have gone after Rayn as scum) The fact that you are not dropping this, is highly indicative that you are town. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:09 Vivax wrote: You can ride on that post all you want Moc. Fact is, I didn't go back to lurking, and I just witnessed the toad geript shitfest that looked like a load of bullcrap to me and hence made the post. Gumshoe didn't even come back since my post at the time, so there can be no gobetween. Try to fling more shit pls. You can start by addressing the point I made regarding your inconsistencies with the gumshoe read and mocsta read. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: ermm.. BttB which you played in. Me and thrawn called each other masons (i.e. confident town reads) within the first 30minutes.+ Show Spoiler + ##vote Gumshoe First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote: You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. "can't" is a word too strong. I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere? Compare gumshoe to Vivax. Gumshoe has maintained i am town all game. Something town *or* scum can do. Whereas Vivax voted me with thread sentiment and still to this point has not identified items that are scummy to this game. His main criteria was that I am not tryhard like in Smurf Mafia. 1 game in say ~14. | ||
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Pls read GSL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441596&user=VIVAX420&view=all and ctrl +f "~V" Vivax is much more assertive in this game and is paying attention to a variety of reads and is generally transparent with where he is at. This game everything is nitpicking and/or calling things weird but not specifying why they are worth calling out. I want to make another comparison between GSL (town) and this game. This game: On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote: Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe Oh well back to lurking. GSL: On February 16 2014 02:39 VIVAX420 wrote: These two posts DO NOT originate from the same mindset.What is that acting like not giving a fuck if you get lynched, it should be in your best interest if you are a townie. First you say you don't have time to post then say it's cause you're lazy. You call a guy scum for no reason, then ask why you should be bothered to write anything about it. Nowhere any intention to see to solve the game. Are you scum or do you just sign up for games to do nothing in them? Everything since the post where kush posts from his own acc has been him btw. Also I'd prefer to wait some more until hammering so I'll unvote. ~V | ||
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Many have already been posted, you are intentionally ignoring. Another difference with GSL. You were always asking questions to the thread with an uncertain conclusion; here, the conclusion is made up and you are telling people. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:39 Vivax wrote: Question to geript about WoS: So, where is the certain conclusion Moc? I was always doing blabla in GSL and now I'm always doing blabla. What a load of crap, and zero examples to back it up. you do realise you are responding to me identically to how i responded to kush in GSL lol anyways, my votes on you. this is pointless | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! I think ur missing gumshoe voting for me I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe. Guess its the latter | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town. im keen to hear a bit more about this one. | ||
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Do you think you are playing differently to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz&view=all | ||
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Why are you fixated on getting the support of Rayn. Everytime you keep raising this issue (that everyone else has said is not an issue) you bring up Rayn. This is growing tiresome. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:25 TheChyz wrote: That game I wanted to be aggressive and use myself as lynch bait to try to find scum. I won't mention what my plan is this game but you can probably realize its not the exact same. You're actually looking better to me after reading that filter and comparing to here. I just found it peculiar in that game you only had 2 posts in a 4 page filter that contained quotes, compared to this game hence the question. Where do you stand with JJD, Vivax, Cavalinho. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote: I am actually considering him to be confirmed mafia because of it and rayn is being wrong on it. Rayn and WoS are the two people I have the biggest townreads on, so yeah I tend to try and convince them more than other people. Rayn happened to be around, WoS not really, timezones are a bitch. read my posts. I told you yesterday I'm not reading you for todays lynched and I'm on either geript of Mocsta so yeah, hasn't really changed. But like I said, out for real now. STOP BEING A RETARD. If you want to espouse this bullshit, have the decency to read the fucking thread as you promised. Instead you have self-admitted to not reading the full context REPEATEDLY. YOU ARE SHITTING UP THE THREAD. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (1) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! Suki is on here twice too. There is so much OMGUS circles this game: Gumshoe/JJD Toad/Geript Vivax/Wave Really need to consolidate with 8 hrs left. I surmise the 3 options will/should be: Myself, + Vivax/Geript | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:49 Vivax wrote: JarJar since gumshoe is your person of suspicion you should be interested in WoS too based on the points I brought up about him. On February 27 2014 22:43 Mocsta wrote: I find this post curious. I asked my question in the first place because: The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town. Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:51 suki wrote: This smells to me.Mmmm.. I don't know so much about Vivax anymore. I looked through a bunch of his games and tried to find differences between his scum and town games. In his town games Titanic Mini, TL Mafia LXI, Basterd Mini I observed that he tended to just sort of comment on things he found suspicious, not really focusing on a single player, but then when he finds someone he thinks is scummy (Oats in Mafia LXI, Rayn in Basterd Mini), he gets really active and starts making big cases on that person and really pushing that lynch. In his mafia games, Roulette Mini, Doctor Who, TL Mafia LX, Fruity Mafia I observed that he tended to jump around a lot more and not really focus on one person. He also pressures and asks more questions rather than post reads. In his older scum games he did post a lot more one liners, but that's not as evident in his more recent scum games. There's also a tell that I found in 3 of 4 of his scum games that didn't show up here, which is kind of a mindset thing as well that I'm not seeing in Vivax's play. mmmm... One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. Same with his case on Wave, although I don't agree with it, this tunnel looks similar to his town games as well. ##unvote One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:55 Vivax wrote: Stop twisting what I said. .... (1) You are calling gumshoe scum (2) You are stating scum would be compelled to intervene (as gumshoe did) if the argument between moc/suki was town vs town (1) + (2) equivocate to me being a town read -- which you later deny. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:57 suki wrote: ??Ugh.. I've got class today again, and I'm not sure how long it will go for so I might not be around for the deadline. However!!! this weekend I'll have plenty of time to post and read and stuff. I'm gonna fall back on TheChyz, I think he's the most scummy person so far. I don't feel good about Vivax or Mocsta lynches atm and I don't want a geript lynch today either because the only time I've played with people who have had a holier than thee' attitude towards me and basically ignored me or discredited me they have been town (VE in Normal mini, Palmar in Cultured). I think that it speaks of a townie sort of confidence. Anyways I'll be back tonight. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:59 suki wrote: Opportune: Jumped on Vivax because case was good and thread sentiment prediction.Hm I didn't take into account the dates of the games. And I don't know what you mean by opportune, I woke up, thought Vivax was suspicious and looked into him and decided he wasn't. Now that a few have stymied the Vivax train -- with no specifics, its an easy retract. | ||
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1. WaveofShadow (filter) 2. Holyflare (filter) - Hes asking good questions, I've gotten over my butthurt he thinks im scum. 3. gumshoe (filter) 4. Ange777 (filter) - Was pretty clear from her first catch up post she would tend to voting me, but overall I liked the posts. Seems to be trying to piece things together. 5. Toadesstern (filter) Too dumb to be scum + was pretty jovial at the start 6. Cavalinho (filter) Too inactive for my liking. May be easier to read him post-flips. 7. JarJarDrinks (filter) - Atm, I am a scums wet dream. They WOULD NOT flip flop on me like JJD did. + admiting to the pre-flip alignments so brazenly. I find that unlikely for scum. 8. TheChyz (filter) - I dunno if hes played scum, but i gave his town NM1 game a half decent read. Changed my mind on him. 9. suki (filter) - Read through her scum game in NM1 again today and thought quite decently of her (i.e. I find her scum cases to be fixated on flawed logic/feels as opposed to scum hunting).. however, this vivax unvote to Chz is enough to make me drop her back to null. 10. raynpelikoneet (filter) If town and hes genuinely agitated by this "claim" I still dont expect him to act like this. i dunno.. hse annoying me on a personal level which is affecting my read. I liked a lot of his non-mocsta posts recently, so will stick with greee. 11. Mocsta (filter) 12. Vivax (filter) - Is more happy to banter with anyone present then progress his scum reads. 13. Geript (filter) Too many illogical thought processes. Keeps of taking, but doesnt give back. Its difficult to express my distaste without a filter dive; but I get the feelings hes hamming up a destructive meta. I think he even alluded to this early game when I said as scum I like to infiiltrate town, and he said, not everyone is like that. I also really dislike he didnt town read me for moclogic. (a town Geript trademark) I dunno why I feel so strong about quite a few ppl being town, but yeah, thats where I am currently. | ||
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On February 28 2014 01:13 Vivax wrote: There moc, I rehashed the whole argument just so you would be able to digest it. Although I doubt you will cause you're not figuring me out, you've been flinging shit at me since you found the opportunity to jump on my wagon. Again, this is exactly how I responded to Kush. Nice moves Vivax. | ||
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I'm confirmed town now so fuck u all | ||
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I thought I was about to be lynched Guys. This heavily implicates vivax...... I.e. her vote drop on him yesterday before I went to bed | ||
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What... U think the early interactions. Between me and suki and scum to scum...... That's seriously not possible | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:09 Vivax wrote: We'll see how much this implicates me when you drop dead bro. Looks like you missed something in your ketchup. Lol... You are the scum that fake claimed vig. I Got you lynched that game. You shoot me then doesn't matter. I was suspect of suki for exactly the right reasons. Not my problem this town shit on it I will admit that if I assume u r town, it makes me want to reassess gumshoe With a suki flip it is interesting he came to my defense and then attacked suki unproductively Will give this more thought if I'm alive tomorrow. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:14 TheChyz wrote: I don't think your confirmed by any means. you could possibly be a goon and throwing the lynch on you would make suki + any other scum that might have voted for you look more town. This is stupid Read the interchanges before commenting pls Yes I. Bus as scum. But i always give clear outs. I'm pretty sure thus flip confirm chz as town too. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:17 Vivax wrote: Cause you were around deadline but didn't vote for her cause the death of any of you is equally bad for your team, and that when you were at danger of getting lynched by a random mood of Chyz. Where's your townie self-preservation instinct? Where is the proof. I didn't see the flip till 5min after deadline. This is now beyond stupid | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:56 Mocsta wrote: this is why vivax should not be ignoredThis smells to me. One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. | ||
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Scum could have easily mislynxhed me and. It take any heat. I retract what I said before about u pushing suki unproductively The opposite is true. With a suki gt, its likely scum would feel a need to intervene. Jjd does fit this mould. I'm going off memory here but I think he called suki town for unknown reasons. I.e. I was scum because he thought she was super town. Need to have a read of things | ||
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If scum have an Rb and vivax claimed vig with intent to be Rb its OK too since we lynched the gf. Scum run a high risk of letting a potential cop get a check off by holding the Rb, so overall its a win win situation for town. | ||
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There's already one retard in this game with toad I'm not scum... Seriously.. If vivax was town why would suki unvote to then vote me Nit a requird move given she called me town prior What's the motivation... Simple.. I'm a mislynch and vivax isn't. | ||
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Based on her cases I thought she wasn't, thus to me chz looks good | ||
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With 2 in that list of 3 | ||
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Or am I getting confused? | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm still bothered about suki bithing about the thread atmosphere when Mocsta was up for lynch. In what way? | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here. U talking about deadline? I wasn't here | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta called all his fucking scumteam scum on D1 @ LXIV. That's a lie In lxiv I was town In lxiv restart I only called buddies scum if Ppl I was close to was on them. Like your he did this once thing is annoying and completely is devoid of context U could argue I was wishy washy o. Suki because because IMA goon Or u could argue I was wishy washy on suki because everyone shit on me and called me scum resulting in a lack of confidence in my read I mean i dont het you at all rayn, if town but we can talk post game So much of how u r playing regarding me reminds me of GoT... Sigh I'm trying my hardest not to take it personal with my read on u, but u r making it difficult | ||
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I infiltrated town and was playing for end game. No way the trajectories of this game are following the same path | ||
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On one hand I find this relatively townie in a CB type of way. On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Note the votecount just before this postSorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes: I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead. Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly. + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax was under pressure at the time, not Suki. Given the back/forth between JJD/GS at the time, this comment seemed contextually natural. Where it becomes awry for me is: On February 28 2014 06:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: I still feel like gumshoe scumslipped that moc was town On February 28 2014 06:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: The timing is just really really bad given the flip, and I'm not completely sold why JJD felt it was better to attempt to ensure I should be lynched over Suki (given his fixation with Gumshoe)##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta Prob have to go in a few but will be on before the deadline. Not crazy about it but better than a suki lynch methinks. Its possibly answered by: On February 28 2014 06:05 JarJarDrinks wrote: I added the <not>; but overall, it leaves me 50/50.And again you're misrepresenting things. You're making it look like all of a sudden suki became a top scumread of mine. All I said was I was starting to suspect she was your scumbuddy. It's <not> like I'm pushing for her to be lynched. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:37 gumshoe wrote: This is a really bad thing to put into town atmosphere.This, thats why I personally feel the game is so won right now, if scum had the power to get Mocsta lynched, no matter the fall out, that was the move they should have made. The only reason they didnt? They couldn't. 2 of the 4 on Moc are scum almost guaranteed, Vivax will reveal himself tonight, Cava's probs town, Jar is 100 percent scum, and if vax is actually vig we just lynch toad instead of him. I have been in a few games as town and lynched scum d1 and then lost. When the atmosphere becomes, meh this game is ezpz.. people stop giving a fuck and scum have permission to stop trying. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:58 geript wrote: Not really, im just posting for in case I flip someone will finally listen.Remind me after game but after skimming to see the scum teams, I think that's based more on who the teams were. [red]Besides, Moc has actually had an ok thread presence. [/erd] otherwise ppl pretty much ignore everything I write. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:31 suki wrote: @geript care to share reads? I take it you are leaning town on Mocsta? What about me? Might be overthinking, but this post makes me feel a lot better about Geript. I think this is phrased in a way to seek information vs. pointless banter. | ||
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On February 28 2014 17:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like until Vivax is confirmed and all of Toad/JJD/Cav have been lynched and flipped town i am not considering you as a lynch. LOL.. yeah watevz, i expect the game to be over by then too so i suppose its acceptable to consider me on the chance that plan above failed. carry on. | ||
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On February 28 2014 17:05 geript wrote: I can tell you reading the thread, I thought I was going to get lynched and was prety annoyed because it was like 4-5min past the deadline and had caught up on liek 20 pages or something.No Vivax was effectively off because of the claim. Gumshoe, idk I never really felt like he was gaining traction. JJD, idk maybe but like so many people have given him a soft town read at points that I find it hard to believe most people would shift to him. Like it really felt like to me it was Mocsta, suki or me; just that no one wanted to "roll the dice" on me. So yes, teh indication was it was me or suki going down. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:46 suki wrote: This is peculiar actually.I didn't really understand why toad and rayn called each other town, but it didn't strike me as completely odd. Certainly not scummy. Hmm Toad just replied with reasoning let me see. This is pretty much toad's reasoning on why rayn is town, pretty much a meta read. Which means nothing to me so I'll just wait for them to contribute more before coming to any conclusions. Given that Suki was scum, I think it would be natural to attack this post "which means nothing to me". Definitely a point against Toad. | ||
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On February 28 2014 17:18 geript wrote: No but vote count doesn't always equal thread sentiment. That JJD vote looks really out of place and sticks out like a sore thumb to me. The problem is, several votes on me were out of place Toad, JJD, Cavalinho Obviously they can not all be scum. In hindsight,, Toad looks really bad for continuously pushign for me to lynched for the modkill thingo, and refusing to read the context. | ||
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On February 28 2014 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Absolutety fuck youAnother thing: I think there are several people who play far better when they are considered "confirmed town". That includes me, Vivax, Holyflare and Wave. I have no idea about Ange and geript. I know i play far better when noone has any reasons to call me mafia and therefore distract me or make me angry. I know at least Vivax and Wave do get distracted the same way. That's why i don't wanna talk about them as mafia, i wanna work with them. I would love to "clear" Mocsta, but i don't want to. Just because he has been incredibly lazy this game and has said some pretty suspicious stuff. I don't want to call him mafia either, but instead give him some time to prove himself. Mocsta use it wisely and start saying wise stuff okay? Im modkilling myself you fucktard I almost lost my job trying to play this fuckn game, and you have the audacity to say this to me. Fuck you From: Aquanim [ 1658 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Cultured Mini Mafia Role Date: 2/26/14 08:04 You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special powers, but you have your voice and your vote. You win with the town. and good riddance. | ||
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On March 08 2014 14:49 geript wrote: Morale of the story. You guys should listen to me more because I'm a good player. Nah, it was your fault. and this isnt a troll post. | ||
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Early game you had great difficulty articulating yourself to the majority of town. Maybe people were not as clever as you to understand your perspective; the onus is still on you to be clear. Late game you rode too high on your "mod-confirm" as a medium to push your reads. Though this is I think is more likely to originate from town; it still subconsciously turns people off from listening to you. Essentially you failed at campaigning, and late game HF owned you in the popularity game. Its frustrating reading town players say stuff like I wont consider XYZ because I like them too much; but its also a completely valid component of the game. | ||
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On March 08 2014 16:37 geript wrote: For the record, and I don't remember if anyone asked, but I refused to vote for newbies on the first day because often times you can't a good solid read on them. They can be really really scummy because they don't know better. Yeah I get that; but theres a difference between trying not to prioritising them vs. a full embargo. To me, its also the perfect cover story if you have newbie scum in your team. | ||
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On March 08 2014 17:33 geript wrote: Who cares if it's a good cover story. I'd rather take a different good lynch option and get a solid read on a person. And therein lies your problem. You have failed to understand what is required for the person you are communicating with to join you. Being right is half the battle. You still need to convince people why they should trust your gut feel. I absolutely nailed Suki (for the right reasons) with my first handful of posts. No one followed me because *I* didn't do a good enough job of explaining what I saw. Only Gumshoe agreed, and even his opinion was a skewed version of my own. The same can be said of your read on Toad. You can blame everyone else for not going along, but ultimately, mafia is a game of deceit and you have to earn trust. This is where both of us failed. | ||
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