Cultured Mini Mafia

On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't.

On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with


All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.


Did kiterayn just fly away on you?
##Vote geript

On February 27 2014 01:10 suki wrote:
Case on TheChyz

TheChyz comes in with a town read on Mocsta out of the blue saying 'it's the way you're playing'. He dodges my request for him to share his reads by saying 'I have some hunches', without elaborating.

He starts pressuring Mocsta. Makes a bad case on JJD that he quickly gets off of.

Says this:


Then votes geript with a pretty awful case.

This case is really bad. Not only does he not explain how geript is scummy for any of his 'points', it seems like a big part of his case is 'I dont understand whats going on'. His entire case is based on geript's comment that rayn and toad cannot be scum together... Like, that's just weak.


This conclusion just feels out of place. Like he's trying to explain why he didn't think geript was scummy before but now he does. "Making a story", as it were.

TheChyz also seems to be pressuring Mocsta, but I have no idea what TheChyz's opinion of Mocsta is. At the beginning of the game he read Mocsta as town, now he seems to be neutral?



This is also really flaky. He's saying I look scummy but isn't trying to figure out what looks scummy. He thinks mocsta is suspicious but isn't making a decision. He made a weak case on geript off of one of geript's posts but doesn't seem to be commenting on other things that geript has done.

Other people's cases on TheChyz

In general I agree with other people's cases on TheChyz.

I like JJD's case:


I don't think Mocsta's case is that good.


I don't think TheChyz's question on me indicated that he didn't share Mocsta's read (that I was suspicious).

I don't agree with:

TheChyz hasn't indicated what he thinks of Rayn or Toad's alignment which is weird but not scummy. His case on geript was independent of his read on rayn/toad.



I can understand the point that it is trying to dodge giving insight while commenting on gumshoe. I can see it as a townie 'haha i found it funny'. I can see it as a scummy 'lets talk about things but not really'. I see that Mocsta has pinned it as scummy behaviour.


I find it funny that Mocsta's summary points 1 and 2 can be used to describe his play this game. I don't see how, on its own, Mocsta's points establish that TheChyz's play has been scum motivated.

Other people have posted cases but I'm out of time this morning

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SUMMARY

I think the word to describe TheChyz's play is "weak". There are plenty of contradictions in his words and actions. He seems to have no inclination to scum hunt, but every inclination to throw suspicion on people. I'm leaning towards scummy on him.

Scummy things:
1. random defense of mocsta out of nowhere
2. not being transparent with reads, not straight up saying 'this person is scummy' (except geript but that case sucks)
3. not pushing his scum reads.
4. Seemingly not interested in finding scum.

I know rayn and some other people brought up cases against TheChyz, and when I read through them in my catch-up I generally agreed with them. There are some points that were brought up that are not in this case that do make TheChyz look scummy.

Mocsta being so adamant on TheChyz makes me doubt that both of them are scum together. TheChyz recently has spent effort talking with Mocsta, which, given his weak play, I find unlikely to happen if they were scumbuddies. Also no reason for a hard bus at this point.

mmm... I'll have to think about this one. There's still half a day left so plenty of time for both players to contribute.

On February 27 2014 03:54 Holyflare wrote:


Got anything other than your gumshoe point? I notice how you only conclude that his post is scum orientated but don't pressure it further, ask him about it or vote him, yet, with Geript you ask him to elaborate on posts you aren't sure about and pressure him to expand on his reads. Why is that?

On February 27 2014 05:30 Holyflare wrote:


Your only point on gumshoe was his first postyness, you tried to extrapolate and elaborate on that to both mocsta and wave by saying it most likely comes from a scum mindset but then just say you never read anything more from him???? Based on your posts he'd be your scum read but then you neglect to examine the rest of his posts anymore? I thought you just told me that we were "gathering information for town" but your posting follows this line of thought

not talking about your read other than his first post screams more of an agenda than what you were talking about just now.

On February 27 2014 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
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I have a major problem about your reads and mocsta does highlight that too. You initially say you don't want to talk to people unless they are around, that's ok, i've seen people play like that, then you start to post cases about other people when they aren't around, at this point it's looking more suspect because they can't defend themselves at that present moment and when that falls flat on your face you change your read on gumshoe because thread sentiment is lynching mocsta and the only reason you give for it is



the only reason you want to join this bandwagon is that he is passive and gives a town read on your scum read out of nowhere, yet, this is the ONLY reason compared to your wall of text on wave and your pressure on gumshoe

why are you sheeping so hard? why has your play devolved from what you think is best to wanting to fit in the most when needed to? your biggest scum read is seemingly wave but you're happy to lynch mocsta based on unflipped associations to a wonky read but when your other original scum read (gumshoe) did this on suki/mocsta at the start he can now be town?

On February 28 2014 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax i'm reading your filter and looking at everything you've posted about mocsta, it all leads to "he's playing passive" with no real push and therefore you've classified him as scum, I see no real push yourself on mocsta, no real basis for pushing this read over everyone else in the game that has been pushed. You've questioned him sure but no proper conclusions were drawn, no attempt to rationalise whether what he was doing was coming from a towny standpoint or a scummy one.

Gumshoe took a stance that mocsta's play was town mocsta, whereas you took the stance to mean that it's scum mocsta but then you criticise gumshoe for coming to a conclusion on his play like you have also done. Even now, the town atmosphere seems to be on top of you and you're directing people mocsta's way and getting THEM to explain it rather than saving yourself by pointing out exactly what makes him scum. Even now you're trying to make me elaborate on things that i've already elaborated on.

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caval, vivax only has 3 votes on him with 6 hours left in the day, in no way is that indicative of a lynch on a towny and the lack of defence on him is not indicative either, look specifically at his play rather than what other people are doing because i have seen people defend him earlier on in the thread and when people that look towny rayn/wos/me start posting our intentions on possible vivax lynches then that is where you look for people that sheep after we state our stances