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@ChzOn February 27 2014 01:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 01:17 TheChyz wrote:On February 27 2014 01:05 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion.
He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so. On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:
4) He comes up with a townread on rayn
So Geript comes up with a townread on rayn based on the conversation and calls me null, because reading rayn as town makes no sense. He's reading him as town himself for christs sake and dares to tell me my townread makes no sense?
On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:Best of geript1) My townread on Rayn makes no senseIt makes an awful lot of sense. There's 3 reasons for stating rayn is town in that situation, 1 being a minor one, 2 being big ones. - Rayn does not use the situation to call me a retard. That's the minor one but it's a reasonable guess to assume rayn would do so. Mafia like to call out people, they're actively searching for shit people are doing and yes, calling for people to claim miller in a set-up with no selfaware millers would be such a situation
- Rayn opting to call me town is a route that dips any confusion and chaos right in the bucket. He could be sitting there, laughing about how I misunderstood the OP and not say a word, watching as town falls into chaos because of that. Going out and telling people I'm town clears confusion 100%. That's a major townread.
- There is absolutely no reason for Rayn to call me town if he's mafia. Zero. If he's mafia he is just fine giving me a strange look without following up with a townread on me. He would be perfectly fine to just come back later, tell people he knew about it all along, as can be seen by his posts and said he though I'm being an idiot. There's literally no reason whatsoever for a mafia-rayn to call me town in that situation. That's another major townread.
Yah, it's super easy because your reasons for calling him town are completely fail. You "completely get" how I can have a townread on him for how he responds but that doesn't factor into ANY OF YOUR REASONS for him being town. Like Rayn not calling you a retard doesn't make him anything in this or any other situation. Rayn not causing chaos and confusion actually makes him more likely to be scum; have you even seen half of his town games. Every other game or so Rayn is fucking awful as town and is worse for town than if he were scum; hell he'd even say this. More importantly, he doesn't operate to cause chaos and confusion as scum; he tries to lead town to mislynches all along the way. Saving lynchbait Toadescum for later is a peachy keen plan. Rayn calling you town doesn't make him anything in this or any other situation. You visably recognize and understand how I can have a townread on him, your beef is that it doesn't extend to you for something that's completely trolly and 100% not alignment indicative of ANYONE LET ALONE YOU BISH. Get over it scum. So let me get this straight, your still pissy about toad thinking rayn is town. Why? That doesn't help scum hunt in the slightest. All your doing is clogging up the thread trying to convince others that their town read is wrong. Guess what, not everybody will have the same town reads as you. It's not towns job to find town, its towns job to eliminate scum. And who is that scum Chz. Still waiting on this onepl0x
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On February 27 2014 01:28 geript wrote:
Toadescum. Idgaf what you think or ever thought about claiming miller. It's trolly regardless and I wish Palmar were here to help lynch you. Where do you stand with Wave currently?
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I don't have much time today but see I am the vote leader
At this point my care factor is pretty low
I dunno what's worse: rolling scum when u k ow the rest of ya team lurks or playing a game like this where everyone jumps on u, it no1 a really specifies why I am scum.
Everyone issue seems to be that they cant my mindset... Which is null
Either way if it takes me flipping town for people to play this game properly so be it.
I think rayn looks better than say 12hrs ago. He's prob the only person I am comfortable with that has voted me.
Toad is prob town but is a real idiot. His thoughts may be crystal clear but that doesn't make the outcome right.
Vivax is a real surprise vote. I assume he's going to state one of me and gum is scum. Now he's town on gum I have become that town read.
He's tingling me right now pretty hard after his opportune vote switch.
Pls remember he was pushing wos and then pounced on me.
I need to reread suki case against her 2014 scum game.
I have her back at null from a rethink.
On one hand her cases were pretty lacklustre.
On the other hand I'm still giving credit for being CB.
I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today.
I don't care for cavalinho questions, but I liked him based on association with chz. If cha was somehow town I would consider cavalinho as sleeper scum
Jjd is town. Too many flip-flops on me which are unwarrantedironically this is how I'm playing the game yet I'm apparently not town.
Its a concern ange hasn't posted but I think she said she would be away initially.
Lastly HF I guess. Dunno I don't like him but its pure feel. I expect him to be better than this is prob the crux.
Hmmm so that's where I am at
To me CHz posting hasn't improved and I still think he is intentionally withholding his position on matters.
He's my vote for the cycle.
Like I said. Today is crunch day for me at work so I wasn't even meant to post this. That's it. Obviously I would prefer to not be lynched but this game is quickly heading towards if I don't like it. Its scum mentality which will not help my cause. Ciao and if I flip look hard at vivax.
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Wave I asked geript that question not to be inane but to try and push him to comment on something familiar to him other than toad.
I don't disagree with vivax but u confuse me selfishly.
He's a stronger read than me??? U think I'm a possibility for scum?
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On February 27 2014 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I see Mocsta DID get back and he posted some shitty reads thing.
kk.
I really dunno what u want or expect from me.
Not a single person has explained why my actions are scum mindset only.
Rayn the only one that attempted to do this.again, I have no idea what ya problem is.
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On February 27 2014 09:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 09:47 Mocsta wrote:
Wave I asked geript that question not to be inane but to try and push him to comment on something familiar to him other than toad.
I don't disagree with vivax but u confuse me selfishly.
He's a stronger read than me??? U think I'm a possibility for scum? Are you actually around to talk? I don't HAVE a good read on you like most other people seem to (my own weakness---I never am able to read you particularly well) but as Rayn/Toad feel good about it if it came down to it I would have too if I hadn't looked into Vivax---Vivax sheeping along means nothing. And yeah I know the question isn't inane, I ask stuff like that all the time but I was giving Vivax the benefit of the doubt for the sake of my case.
Not really able to talk or think deeply.
I dunno this is annoying. I have to focus on work but I can't stop refrshing
If u want something ask it. And if its detailed I will give it a crack at lunch time in say 4 hrs.
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On February 27 2014 10:00 Vivax wrote:Mocsta the problem I have with you is that you don't have a locked on target and push it, and defend yourself, and post a shitload. I know you as being way more headstrong as town. Remember smurf mafia? THAT tryhard, that's mocsta how I remember it as town. So you're either in a horrible mood and feel defeated, which I think is more likely to happen to scum cause they tend to live in paranoia, or you genuinely have no time and don't give a shit. Or maybe you completely changed your playstyle for giggles. I think this was your filter, like last half of it. You were a replacement right? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=413713&user=TheDavison&view=allBesides, if you're town it's not too late. There are some points I'd like you to address. Gumshoe's confidence in your townieness. Your WoS townread. A somewhat conclusive read on geript would be appreciated. And whatever else you can think of of your own. I don't get this
I'm locked on chz
I'm also genuinely busy as in I have a deadline to meet which is sackable
Its my own fault for signing up
I would afk right now regardless of alignment.
Further I find your analysis half heartened.
U r comparing my game this game to old town games yet u just played a game where I was scum and no comparison has been given.
At this point I actually wish kush was playing.
Truth is vivax. The reasoning above is a total copout
I have given my read on geript already
I don't see anything wrong with gumshoe. In fact its disturbing the way u and rayn contrast with gumshoe considering we all played together.
I have a town read on wos because of his approach to the game. I feel he's evaluating information as it presents in a open way. He also asks what I think are fair questions.
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On February 27 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 09:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 09:47 Mocsta wrote:
Wave I asked geript that question not to be inane but to try and push him to comment on something familiar to him other than toad.
I don't disagree with vivax but u confuse me selfishly.
He's a stronger read than me??? U think I'm a possibility for scum? Are you actually around to talk? I don't HAVE a good read on you like most other people seem to (my own weakness---I never am able to read you particularly well) but as Rayn/Toad feel good about it if it came down to it I would have too if I hadn't looked into Vivax---Vivax sheeping along means nothing. And yeah I know the question isn't inane, I ask stuff like that all the time but I was giving Vivax the benefit of the doubt for the sake of my case. Not really able to talk or think deeply. I dunno this is annoying. I have to focus on work but I can't stop refrshing If u want something ask it. And if its detailed I will give it a crack at lunch time in say 4 hrs. You seem pretty concerned that you're going to get lynched when you have like 23h. As far as I can tell there's a little bit of sheepy sheepy going on and thread sentiment seems kinda mixed. I think at this point it's probably pretty important for you to give some real detailed justifications for reads (apparently including the read on me, which wasn't mentioned in your recent listpost). Another option: you still want TheChyz lynched--- (and I still haven't read him oh noes Vivax gon' lynch meh) can you give me a TL;DR to make it a little easier for me as a jumping off point and then we can talk about that? t all based on knowing my schedule.
I made that post not thinking I would be continually distracted.
I.e. I thought it would be my last post for the cycle.
As for chz my case hasn't changed
Ctrl f vote chez
I'm on fine. Too hard to paste. Sorry
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On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail?
There was nothing to respond to
U created two situations where I must be scum only
I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already
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Wave
Well whether u r a fan or not is not important (of the chez case)
If u want to read my alignment make a judgement call on whether its intentionally bullshit
Or whether I believe what I wrote in my own twisted way
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Wave
U r misreading what suki wrote
She asked me to make a case on rayn
I said no because my priority is chz
Her point if view is that as scum with low credit I would try to appease her, thus would garnish info in rayn.
Instead I believe chz is scum and approached the game in a way to focus
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On February 27 2014 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:10 suki wrote:On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason.
What does that achieve? Just wanna play  I miss mafia. Sorry Now what does you missing mafia (whatever that might mean) have to do with what the rest of the town is doing and you misrepresenting it? Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail? There was nothing to respond to U created two situations where I must be scum only I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already I want you to answer specifically these things: [1.] How did you end up in a conclusion you presented about me-Toad eariler on in the game. Can you show me some examples from earlier games you think supports your argument? Me thinking someone is good/bad has nothing to do with me not being able to form a read on them and honeslty what you said reads only as you trying to shit on me-Toad for no reason, unless you can actually provide some examples that back up your thought process.
[2.] I don't understand how you read suki's posts three times and end up in a different conclusion every time. Which time you didn't read closely, because i can't believe you read someone closely enough to make a big post on them but not closely enough that after a re-read you form a different opinion on them. After your last re-read, which are the posts from suki that outweigh the earlier scummy posts from her so much that you are confident enough to call her town?
Now Mocsta, i know you know how to make people think about certain way of you when you are mafia. You appeal to emotion a lot because you know what people want to hear. Based on suki's case on you it's totally possible that you changed your read on her just to throw her off you, which apparently worked out if you are mafia and she is town. The fact that you call me town now, it does not work, and i also want ot hear this: [3.] Why did you have a scumread on me early on?
1. My personal assessment of your character
2. My attention is very diverted this game cos of real life. Hence what I think about things changes when I reread. Yes I'm guilty of outputting low formed thoughts.
3. Mainly because u approached early game ignoring me. I expected u to spend a lot of time on me given we were just hydraed.
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I can't do any better. I really have to go now.
I hope u r not town though cos I really expected something different from u. Just like I expect things from thrawn
I personally don't see how what I'm doing is promoting a scum agenda OTHER unintentionally discrediting myself... Which no1 has actually specified.
Further I'm pretty sure I have never responded to Ppl calling me scum in this way. U said before I tell Ppl what they want to hear so they get off me. I haven't done that rayn, which is agitating u further....
Whatevs I really gotta go
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Lol chz
M first comment in the gsl scum qt was that BH promised to roll me town and didn't.
Not that it matters but I did the same thing this game
Anyways I'm not spelling ya name wrong intentionally
Auto correct in a rush.
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On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In GSL BH actually did promise Mocsta to roll him town and didn't (because what's the point of hydraing if you are scum?!?).
So either Mocsta has requested the same thing again and didnt' get it or he is modconfirming himself as town in which case he should be modkilled.
Rayn
Yes I asked the host to roll me town
I also commented on it in the thread pregame.....
It doesn't mod confirm me anything
Cav. Yes I was thedavison
My profile has all my games. Maybe u should read mafia lxiv before the restart to see how I troll as town.
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Precisely why it doesn't confirm me
I mean rayn position is so stupideither I'm town or scum. No shit sherlock
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Wave
Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax?
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Also. Did vivax actually address your case?
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I did cab?
By saying I was Davison and pointing to a troll game?
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Wave I agreed with it too Lol...
I can swing to chz or vivax as it stands
I'm on chz now cos he's still not producing anything useful
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