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On February 27 2014 11:11 gumshoe wrote: Suki, what do you think of Jar Jar? Why did you feel that the Chyz's poor play was scummy, even though it was similar to his newbie town play youd encountered in newbie LI? A game in which you exploited his shoddy play in order to get him mislynched. My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. My Chyz case was made looking at just this game. I finished it in a rush as I was on a time crunch. You and Holy are calling me out for coming to the conclusion that TheChyz's play is "weak", well it is. I thought it was scummy. I'm going to refresh my memory of the game with him because I really don't remember his play. | ||
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TheChyz Part 2 TheChyz's play this game I described earlier as weak. He hasn't commented on people, hasn't really applied pressure. His top case is geript which he's been pushing all game. He seems unusually hmm.. responsive, to people's accusations of his play: On February 26 2014 15:19 TheChyz wrote: Ye, I played reckless. So I'm not allowed to play differently and have my philosophies change? Don't know what your leading to. All your doing is pointing out a playstyle that you probably don't agree with. Doesn't mean you have to like it. And im pretty sure both you and I would actually rather try to look for actual scum then keep talking about this thread clogging argument. Yes? On February 27 2014 07:59 TheChyz wrote: I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him. This is interesting because looking at his play from Newbie LI, it shows that as town he was aggressive, posted cases on people, wasn't afraid to call people scummy and pressure them: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 12:08 TheChyz wrote: Ok I think my little posts before I had to go afk helped generate enough argument to start conversations going. I actually total love the idea of trying to catch bandwagoners early and since Balla posted something similar to the train of thought I usually have I thought someone would catch the link. If you did, congrats. I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much. ##Vote: Day_Walker On January 06 2014 12:52 TheChyz wrote: I have nothing to say to the question since I didn't actually mean what I had previously said (right near the start of game). Overall tho I liked his post response since it seems to have original thought put into it aswell as a vote. That reads more town to me and at the moment he and you (Balla) have been the most active so I have nothing to say negative about him atm since there are much better people to focus on atm. On January 06 2014 15:56 TheChyz wrote: So Dragoon, it seems like you don't think Asuna should be a possible lynch target. Why is that so? On January 07 2014 01:01 TheChyz wrote: I would like to bring up a player that has kinda hidden back into the shadows and that is dnyarri. When he first posts, I find it ironic since he says that it is easy for lurkers to bandwagon in which he proceeds to bandwagon anyways. He also seems to bring no argument to the table but mostly facts and his argument is circular logic stuff. It goes more or less like this, "since DayWalker made the list in which he says theChyz is scum then theChyz is scum, but because of theChyz's points then DayWalker is also scummy". To me it seems like he just read my filter and saw my vote for DayWalker and also checked his out. This is a good move because if I came up as mafia then he would be safe, but if not then he has a strong fallback on another player. I may be overanalyzing the first post, but that is not even the most important. The moment he gets challenged he switches immediately from me to Dragoon, which he didn't even mention at all! There was nothing to imply this. AND, later on in his posts the only people he mentions are myself, Dragoon, and DayWalker. So he also just read Dragoon's post and just mashed it in together in his second paragraph which just seems like more facts and analysis taken from other people. Out of all of the points, the strongest still stands as when he gets challenged about me, he flops and goes on a new target all together. ##Unvote ##Vote: dnyarri Here's what I see. TheChyz rolled scum, played a really underwhelming early game and got shit for it. He then tried to look better by posting cases, and said he was just trying to play the way people expected him to play. His play this game does not resemble his town game from LI, and I feel that there is plenty of reason for this if he's scum. When he was town, he pressured people, wasn't afraid to give reads and speak up. This game he just sorts of coasts in the background, trying to appease people by 'changing his style' but not really pushing or pressuring anyone. TheChyz conveniently comes up with something he finds "strange" on Mocsta (without calling it scummy), when Mocsta gets under heat from Rayn. On February 26 2014 17:44 TheChyz wrote: Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already) Like, what's the point of this observation? Mocsta is 'coaching' me (which I don't know how he got that since Mocsta was clearly attacking me). It seems to be putting suspicion on Mocsta without outright saying it. He then asks a few questions to Mocsta but doesn't ever come to any conclusion on him until he's asked by Vivax. On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote: I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required. This post also struck me as Chyz wondering why Vivax isn't suspicious of him, as if he knows he's scummy. I originally had this as a scummy point against Chyz but looking at Chyz's filter from newbie LI he seemed to question people on why they had a town read on him in his town game. So I think this comes out as a null point. Summary: I think TheChyz's play has changed in a scummy way compared to his town game. His tunnel on geript is bad and uncharacteristic of him. His case on geript is bad but he seems to have no problem pushing it and only it. He made a half-case on Mocsta but fails to say why Mocsta's actions make him scummy, but Mocsta is the only other person he's really talked about. He kind of commented on Vivax but again didn't come to any conclusion. All of this I feel is more likely to come from a scum Chyz. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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Looking into more people now. | ||
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I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax. On February 27 2014 04:37 Vivax wrote: I'd rather find it odd/scummy if I had mentioned the vote-leader and not anyone else. Leave no stone unturned. I don't think he's scum at the moment. I'd rather not expand on the reasons cause: 1. I could be wrong and I'd be taking away pressure from him. 2. I prefer to focus on the people I find suspicious. I think this was already pointed out but this post is weird as hell. He's trying to give a townie explanation why he should withhold information. On February 27 2014 04:56 Vivax wrote: People in glasshouses and stones, that's all I have to say to this post. It's no surprise you're one of my scumspects (now officially) when you now accuse me of something you're guilty of yourself. How is Chyz a person of interest to you if you never seem to mention him in your own posts yourself? Vivax's counter-attack on Wave seems really forced. Like 'you called me scummy for this? No you're scummy for this!' On February 27 2014 05:39 Vivax wrote: Can you explain to me how you can find me suspicious for not-scumreading a guy you didn't even look into yet? You want to hear reasons for him being something when you don't even know what he wrote? What would you do with these reasons when you didn't even reach any own conclusions you could compare the information with? But you're suspicious cause I give reasons for not talking about my read on him when you give out reads for "feels"? ##Vote WaveOfShadow Vivax misses the point of Wave's pressure entirely and basically OMGUSes him. So in short I would be fine with Vivax lynch as well today. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote: right.... so then she said it was a legitimate call out only to then say my case was bad despite agreeing that her case was bad in the first place ~__~ You're nitpicking. | ||
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Please, share some of your other reads. Do you still find Mocsta suspicious? Who else is on your lynch list? | ||
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Alright let me pull up the things that gave me a town vibe: On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. Then this:I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this: Bolded part shows critical thinking. I actually thought it was a really clever question. On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. This as well. Like, he's looking at the interactions and reading between the lines, trying to figure out the game. On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. Posts like these are confident. He doesn't overexplain his reads. Yeah he just feels to me like he's trying to understand the game. He's being transparent and open with his thoughts, even if he doesn't have high quantity. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:48 Cavalinho wrote: I've already voted TheChyz once, but I unvoted because my townread on rayn is pretty strong and I'd be willing to follow him. My current scumread is TheChyz, but geript is being weird as fuck and I can't really read him. What? By your logic you should be voting me then because rayn is voting me. Also is that geript is being weird as fuck I think he's scummy but I can't read him, or geript is being weird as fuck I have no conclusion on him? | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:55 geript wrote: That's a really bad town read And so? What's your point? | ||
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I want to know why you think he's scummy. | ||
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Also how I look 'super scummy' for my read on JJD. I'm really not liking this 'holier than thou' attitude you have going on. | ||
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##unvote ##vote Vivax | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:56 Vivax wrote: This is from one of the best players on this forum: Others scumgames you might want to look up are LVIII, where town self-destroyed itself and Yet another normal mini mafia. And with that, I'm done defending myself. If you're town and voting for me consider yourself a nublet. The problem with this post is that your meta isn't consistent like that. Dr. Who Mafia you're mafia and you don't spam one liners. Same with Roulette Mini Mafia . | ||
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I don't know so much about Vivax anymore. I looked through a bunch of his games and tried to find differences between his scum and town games. In his town games Titanic Mini, TL Mafia LXI, Basterd Mini I observed that he tended to just sort of comment on things he found suspicious, not really focusing on a single player, but then when he finds someone he thinks is scummy (Oats in Mafia LXI, Rayn in Basterd Mini), he gets really active and starts making big cases on that person and really pushing that lynch. In his mafia games, Roulette Mini, Doctor Who, TL Mafia LX, Fruity Mafia I observed that he tended to jump around a lot more and not really focus on one person. He also pressures and asks more questions rather than post reads. In his older scum games he did post a lot more one liners, but that's not as evident in his more recent scum games. There's also a tell that I found in 3 of 4 of his scum games that didn't show up here, which is kind of a mindset thing as well that I'm not seeing in Vivax's play. mmmm... One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. Same with his case on Wave, although I don't agree with it, this tunnel looks similar to his town games as well. ##unvote | ||
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I'm gonna fall back on TheChyz, I think he's the most scummy person so far. I don't feel good about Vivax or Mocsta lynches atm and I don't want a geript lynch today either because the only time I've played with people who have had a 'holier than thee' attitude towards me and basically ignored me or discredited me they have been town (VE in Normal mini, Palmar in Cultured). I think that it speaks of a townie sort of confidence. Anyways I'll be back tonight. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:56 Mocsta wrote: This smells to me. One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. Hm I didn't take into account the dates of the games. And I don't know what you mean by opportune, I woke up, thought Vivax was suspicious and looked into him and decided he wasn't. | ||
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I said Id be gone for the day and now somehow there's a train on me? Someone tell me what the reason I'm top scum today is so I can stop this cuz this is retarded as hell. | ||
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