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On March 05 2014 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Let me say this now Geript.
If you're town:
If I don't change my mind and push for a switch to Ange today, your death has a purpose.
Yes you played a good game, but your methodology kinda ruined a lot of what good you did for the other people in the game, including me. I'm also aware if you're town that you're trying extremely hard to fix it (or if scum, trying extremely hard to....?) but there's just so many glaring issues with your attitude and play that are really difficult to let slide. I think it might be comparable to BH's 'scumslip' in Les Mafia if that makes sense. A lot of people wanted to believe he was town and worked really hard to get there but they couldn't. It seems that's the same issue I'm having. I can see almost everything you do from either perspective so you can see from my last post I break it down to the simple basics in voting analysis.
If you're town I know that the town side of what you've done was the right stuff, and that will provide us with a great deal of information, and will allow us to likely lock down Ange solidly as the final scum.
I want to make this clear. I'm very disappointed with you wave and I 100% understand your reasoning. Like yes, my death has a purpose because apparently you guys are just donkeys and have no clue how to read obvious and mod confirmed town. Like I have played what is probably my best town game to date. Like the fact that you're riding this dick so hard and deep makes me so unsure of which of you is actually the scum fucker. Like I want to say it's Ange, but you and HF should 100% have town reads on me. Like he's tunneled as fuck on me and I really struggle calling HF scum because the interaction is like the towniest tunneled town on town shitfest.
Like I'm literally on a couch at work laughing about how you're saying it's essentially a lynch for information and you're both saying that I need to come up with who the last scum is and why. Like it's so silly. If you're town find scum your damn self, don't expect me to do your work for you so that you can lynch me and then sheep (or maybe just sheep me) when none of you fuckers would sheep me day 1 and called all of my reasons awful, stupid, and townread the shit out of Toad. On top of it, you guys are playing like you want to drag oats master to Lylo. Like no, it's a clear policy lynch situation and you fools are trying to lynch mod confirmed town. Like if Aquanim doesn't instantly submit it for worst lynch of 2014 I'll be all up in his asscrack over it. So fucking funny.
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I don't know why but the only thing I can think about is hearing Rayn scream on voice, "No....... You fucking idiots." Because that is exactly what he would be doing.
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On March 05 2014 15:09 WaveofShadow wrote:And I hate this. I HATE this. It sounds so much like arrogant-marv at his worst and I absolutely hate that. No reasoning as to why we should have you 100% as town, you just make dumb assumptions. Also the modconfirmed town thing? Do you truly think that if you're the only one in a game who believes this then it's everybody else who is in the wrong? Now like I said before, either you want to talk productively or you don't. If this is going to be your posting for the rest of the game then just leave and don't bother coming back.
You can hate it all you like. It's true because I think highly of both your guys play and I'm so surprised by the fact that either of you could even imagine a world where I am scum.
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You know what, whatever. Like I really don't care and should be studying for NCLEx. Lynch me. I'll 100% flip town. Then you lynch Ange and it's a policy lynch that's is likely to hit scum but right now I'm not sold on it. There's really just not enough to go on. And the fact that I've been able to super town read people based on really small but telling things should say a lot but I don't have a better answer than that.
to gumshoe. I'm like so 100% that you're town. If you're scum you 100% deserve it. But I think you're playing the game of you're life. Rayn noticed it too, so big ups there. Look you'll be alive at endgame. You're reads have been fantastic this game. Don't let anyone else convince you of their read. Don't filter HF or Wave as their reads are bad right now and they're either phoning in sick or scum. Don't take my reads as 100% right but I think I nailed it this game so if we're lining up on reads then you're probably good. If given my choice of lynch between Wave/HF/Chyz, I think I would lynch Wave then HF then Chez. My only hesitation to that is that Chyz's last post was super super scummy and didn't really have any 'noob tells' that I had been reading from his for the length of the game. I know I'm a bit on tilt because of the god awful desire town has to lynch me, but I'm not in any way pissed at him so I don't think that read is slanted in the slightest. Take that for what you will.
To Wave and HF specifically, and to a lesser extent everyone else who didn't listen to my reads especially on day 1. I like both of you guys, I consider you both friends and I look forward to playing games with you in the future. At least one of you is town, and you should 100% listen to me when I spend all day hammering a target with kick ass reasoning then you should be sheeping me instead of calling that guy town.
Anyways I'm going to go out with my vote on where I think scum is. It's a feels read and I can't quite explain it but I really think it's right on. Could just be omgus tunneling but YOLO
##unvote
##vote waveofshadow
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On March 06 2014 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
3 blues is the right amount right..? Don't want to overlook tram because of a miscalculation.
2-3. There's like no way tram's scum though. Like I can hit a random page of his filter and find super towny things/responses/etc.
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Like I personally wouldn't do, Vigi, Parity Vet as a setup but i don't think anyone would argue that it's unbalanced.
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Holyflare convince me you're not scum making this push.
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On me sillypants the push to lynch me.
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On March 06 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
Because seemingly 4 other ppl are making the same push but using inferior logic
But all of the logic being used is bad. Yours especially.
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On March 05 2014 12:48 Holyflare wrote:
Also i never said your reasoning was "too right" i said your miller shit made no sense, quite clearly to anyone, which is emphasised by the fact that nobody sheeped you. The stuff you brought up later on toad was valid yes (but i had already pointed it all out bar the chyz point) it was the fact that your town read mocsta was doing the same thing as toad, if not worse but he was still town to you and you never mentioned him doing that stuff at all.
Toad gets angry at the slightest shit, it could be quite feasible that he was super angry that you started bussing him over something that made no sense to anyone but you.
You are not confirmed town at all and now i absolutely should not be looking at you as confirmed town. I've played 1 game with you and we were both scum and you had no time to play, i have no idea how you play with time as town or scum so it's also disingenuous for you to say that at all
First off the miller shit made complete sense. If it were a trolly read, he could come out and have said it's a trolly read and we could discuss his actual read on Rayn and why. But he totes argues that it's a serious read and was at the time and then justifies it using only things that happened after he gave the read. Plus his reasoning for calling Rayn town was complete bull. Like there's no way town pulls crap like that. How I read Mocsta, Wave and Rayn is completely different from how I read you and many other players. Like shooting Rayn over you definitely implicates you. Especially given how confirmed you became after the D1 push. So yah. Like it's 100% a fair question to ask if my reads were amazng and kept hammering that shit when you bring him up in passing a few times and let him drop why I'm the scum instead of you.
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On March 06 2014 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh except for the fact that i was an obvious medic save?
Wave dafuk are you doing?
So if you're the obvious medic save then why would they roleblock me? I'm the only person here who would've saved Rayn instead of you. Like I would never ever save you if I were a medic. Like I would claim medic and beg scum to shoot you because it gives me a real read on you before I'd ever save you. Like you could be mod confirmed town and I wouldn't save you.
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On March 06 2014 04:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 13:24 Holyflare wrote:
The fact you gave "newbies a free pass" for the entirety of day 1 would have looked super weird if you ended up on one of them despite not following the cases at all. Not to mention the suki wagon was last minute because of the vivax blue claim and the only alternative was your town read. This is the main point above all else. Wave could have made an excuse to not sheep me. He even asked me what to do. That would be weird as hell. Ange isn't an ice cold killer and could easily make excuses to be on mocsta. You are the only one that couldn't have switched to save.
No. Newbies tend to come off as super scummy as either alignment. It's way better to give them time so you CAN get a proper read on them.
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On March 06 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
And geript nobody knows who you would save rofl that's such a bs argunebt to use. Rayn only sheeped my vote and i was the obvious medic save there is no contesting that. Rb's get fakeclaimed on voice alllll the time so that isn't weighing in on anything to me. It's simply the fact that you were unable to save suki based on earlier play that sways me to you.
No rayn sheeped, but he sheeped because he saw the logic and was pretty sure you were right. I'm guessing he thought you were town too, but I really don't care about that. But I can 100% say with certainty that Rayn didn't just sheep; like that's not rayn.
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On March 06 2014 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 04:41 geript wrote:On March 06 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
And geript nobody knows who you would save rofl that's such a bs argunebt to use. Rayn only sheeped my vote and i was the obvious medic save there is no contesting that. Rb's get fakeclaimed on voice alllll the time so that isn't weighing in on anything to me. It's simply the fact that you were unable to save suki based on earlier play that sways me to you. No rayn sheeped, but he sheeped because he saw the logic and was pretty sure you were right. I'm guessing he thought you were town too, but I really don't care about that. But I can 100% say with certainty that Rayn didn't just sheep; like that's not rayn. Please PLEASE stop pretending you know people.
No. I've played with Rayn more than enough times to know this. I've hard defended him as town and I've hard defended him as scum. I understand his town play so well at this point that last night or the night before when CS angels had a complete bullshit "body read" on him I hard defended the shit out of him like 10-15 minutes into the game and he had barely said anything. I was 100% confident he was town. I was wrong on VE (bad me), but I came out and called Chameleon town despite the fact that lots of people were 100% unsure and I had never played with him. I called KNY town and I called someone else town for good reasons. Other than VE I was 100% right on all my town reads. I'm very good at town telling people and I'm especially good at towntelling rayn. So even if I'm not good at explaining why I think some people are town or explaining "why" things are towntells for people. I can goddamn read that shit well even if I don't fucking know people. But in Rayns case, I do goddamn know his town game.
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On March 06 2014 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have no idea wtf half of that post is talking about. Is that video mafia? 'Cause if it is I'm just throwing that out immediately.
You say you can read shit but you still flipflop on me all the time, and are also wrong half the time when you PM me from outside a game. You're wrong just as often as everybody else is, even if you've had a good track record this game (if you're town).
I don't think I've pmd you in a long while. Even then I tend to barely read the thread. Any flipflops I have on you are probably because I think you are better or should be better than you probably actually are.
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On March 06 2014 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
You have called everyone remaining town. You even said ange was pretty much going to flip town. You've run out of people man.
Ok so let's take this scenario. When I flip town, you then move to lynch Chyz because you know Scum never bus. Then you'll have run out of people to lynch. So we should lynch you then right?
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On March 06 2014 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I always say that though.
I'm not good at this game, never have been, so I don't understand why people like you and Rayn 'expect more.' It's ridiculous.
The point remains though that in THIS game, where you expect me to 'be better,' I am REALLY wondering what the obs QT heroes have to say about your performance, 'modconfirmed-ness,' and whatnot.
I REALLY doubt you are right in that regard, but again, pointless to discuss right now.
Geript, I'm obviously not going to be lynched today (or ever), and you're not exactly attempting to push a lynch on me anyway, so is there a reason as to why you're throwing your vote away again?
Because one thing that Rayn said earlier when we were discussing night 1 reminded me. You could totally bus there as scum. Early on I didn't really like you, then I had that good townread on you. Then like you never listen to me despite the fact that you should know that I'm a good player. Like I 100% don't get how you can have anything but a super town read on me. Like ange, IDK she could be anything at this point. Like I really don't get why you haven't done the patented Wave "I hate lurkers" rant yet. It's a lot of little things. And if I'm going to get lynched then I'm going to go out with where I think the scum is not trying to save my own ass. Because before I'll get lynched, I'll post my towny seal again and say that I've damn earned posting that seal this game because my game has been that towny and that going to be that.
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On March 06 2014 05:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 05:07 geript wrote:On March 06 2014 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
You have called everyone remaining town. You even said ange was pretty much going to flip town. You've run out of people man. Ok so let's take this scenario. When I flip town, you then move to lynch Chyz because you know Scum never bus. Then you'll have run out of people to lynch. So we should lynch you then right? But rayn confirmed me as 100% town and you respect rayns reads right? You see how asinine these things are? You pick and choose things that 'confirm' you but then don't apply them to everyone else.
No. There have been like a million times where I 1000000000000000% townread rayn and still told him he was stupid bad on a townread. He wanted me to shoot cruisette over samir and I shot samir because he was scum and cruisette wasn't. He didn't want to lynch chinchilla because he had a townread on him and I didn't. Rayn's scumreads are far better than mine in general, but my townreads are far, far better than his. So if he can't explain a good reason for why someone is town; one that I like, then I don't read them as town because MY READ is better. Not because it's mine but because I'm objectively better at townreads than he is. By that same logic when Rayn townread Toad I should've just dropped it. I didn't. He wasn't town. He was obviously not town. He obviously didn't deserve a town read at any point in this game. Like just because I respect his reads doesn't mean I 100% sheep them. That's stupid.
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On March 06 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's not good play Geript. If you're town it makes more sense to save your own ass and try again then to just try and be the guy who is 100% right all game and wait to rub it in everyone's face. That's really frustrating.
Also I don't know if you've noticed btu I haven't complained about lurk in ages. I don't get nearly as pissed off at that kind of stuff anymore. Trolling/lurking rolls off my back.
And stop saying stuff like 'you know I'm a good player.' Don't tell me what I know. I've had to tell you that like 100 fucking times this game.
No it's not. If people can't believe me, then it's far better for me to take a stand and put my foot down and say you know what. Here's what I got and why I'm there. When I flip, you'll see how goddamn right I was this whole game and you should've listened to me because I'm a good player and was goddamn right but since you didn't, HERES WHERE YOU SHOULD LOOK NEXT!!!!!
Prome's post here is one of the best analysis that has ever been done on me. Had nothing to do with filter length. Had nothing to do with anything else. I want to highlight one very specific part of that post:
geript hard defends Rayn d0 and really puts his foot down about it. He takes a hard stance which I rather like. Its odd, everything I'm seeing seems to objectively point to scum but I don't find it convincing. There is something in how geript is thinking that seems silly but not scummy maybe? I can't explain it right. He is ringing all the scum bells but it feels like he is ringing them for the wrong reasons. He has all this ill founded bravado that I [i]think would be hard for him to do as scum. He is very in your face and it seems townie.
I do things that are objectively scummy as town. I do it all the fucking time. I do it and it may not make sense to you. I do it and I don't give a flycking fykc about it I take hard stances because I can believe in them. Quite frankly Wave, you should 100% know why I can't do this as scum and you should know it because my ego is like a million times bigger than my dick. And as scum, I have to be able to confidently push a read but I also have to be able to convincingly back down from bussing my partners. And that's a line that I have never handled well as scum.
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On March 06 2014 05:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2014 05:16 TheChyz wrote:
School phonepost:
To me geript u seem to feed around the bush with your posts. Here's an easy one. Who would you Lynch and make a case y. Nothing about this person or that person being town or your second scum. ONE person, ONE good case ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Do something useful please. Comment on my vote analysis post. Also waiting on yours HF. Well i read it again but the more i rationalise it the less ange looks like a suspect. She's afk so she makes reads on her gf being scum just so she can be afk and ride cred to endgame...? Rather than switching reads to mocsta and letting 3 scum live for another few days..? I don't think ange is that dickish.
dick move analysis doesn't apply here. Like in PTP 4 I wasn't around right at deadline when someone got shot and there was a huge scramble for where the votes were going to move. I thought the next lynch was, idk someone not austin, but if I had been around I would've bussed the fuck out of austin for the town cred.
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