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raynpelikoneet
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Koshi
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marvellosity
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On December 04 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can aswell the stop playing if we are going to just lynch lurkers. Impossible to tell someone like Coag's or Rean's alignment.Yeah, i can lynch both of them. We never just "lynch lurkers" especially on Day 2. Cephiro was a "lurker" but I was still very sure he was mafia. By and large I agree with Prome's sentiments on Jonny. Mostly I'm just sad I let myself forget about it when sand started pushing bum at me. Don't actually remember Jonny doing anything except the fact he got called out, came in shouting about it, then disappeared again. | ||
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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
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Ugh, i hate when people hold different standards to different people. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
geript starts with all the tough guy posing, its interesting to note but not all that important right now. Its something to remember though as its clearly a persona gerpit is putting on. Reasons for both scum and town to do this. He comes out the gate with "no bans at all" which seems so totally nonsensical that I've been staring at that post for five minutes (part of the blame lays in how tired I am). Here are the possible reasonings I can imagine for posting that 1) is town and believes that no bans is beneficial to town in some way, impossible. 2) is scum and is trying to gain town cred by doing something so outlandish that 'scum could never do it' possible 3) is dumber than a monkey's fart. Unlikely, Conclusion A. Leans scummy for post on bans. His early attacks on JayB + Show Spoiler [seen here] + On November 30 2013 14:17 geript wrote: No, the only reason why you'd expect him to be honest about his claim is because you're scum. Just like how only mods can recognize a fake nuke and make a joke about it. You're scum. Conclusion B: leans back towards town for his creation of early disscussion The problem I have with this is that geript holds on to this thing which should be obviously not worth a damn to him (and everyone else) its an hour 0 pressure. Its based on almost nothing. But geript is in it like a hell hound. Got his teeth sunk in the meat of Jay's leg all deep like, I don't see it from a townie. A scum wants to leave fangs in over something dumb because its a way to look active. A town gives up bad game as bad when they realize its going no where. Conclusion C: goes further back the way of scum due to taking too long in letting go of bad reasoning to attack a player. Geript is talking about how roles don't matter. Geript who was in that PYP where sn0 got inventor and wrecked face with OP inventions. That same PYP where roles were key in a bunch of shit. Roles saved town in that game. Geript even got to shoot scum because of the power of the inventor role. His insistence that roles do not matter rings empty and false. Conclusion D: geript hates town winning the game. gerpit did post the sign up list order in the thread. A thing which is good and pro town and easy to do. It gains him town points but they are very tentative. I'm perturbed by geript's very sincere belief that there are six scum and that scum have two kp. Both are in his filter and not in the OP. I think both those numbers are a little off from what I'd expect in this size game but they make sense together; a conclusion no sane player of tl mafia would reach but something a host might do. geript puts players on ignore which is simply awful as town. It serves to benefit you as scum and do dick all if you are town. Kush will remember me yelling at him about this in ## recently. geript, don't ignore people or put them on ignore or anything. Its bad. geript hard defends Rayn d0 and really puts his foot down about it. He takes a hard stance which I rather like. Its odd, everything I'm seeing seems to objectively point to scum but I don't find it convincing. There is something in how geript is thinking that seems silly but not scummy maybe? I can't explain it right. He is ringing all the scum bells but it feels like he is ringing them for the wrong reasons. He has all this ill founded bravado that I [i]think would be hard for him to do as scum. He is very in your face and it seems townie. I like geript's day one play, he is all around the place. Starts on jay but doesn't stick. Has gotten over his bad tunnel. HIts oats. I also think [spoiler=this post] On December 03 2013 02:23 geript wrote: It's a quote from the first podcasts. Geez Marv get with the program. I think the question was how can I get that fun carefree frilly style and still be effective. As an addendum answer Kurumi noted how that style is very hard to mimic as scum. Especially since as scum you need people to listen to you. So it becomes obvious when you break from it. [/spoiler] on Kuru is surprisingly insightful. He is drawing from something out of game and making connections in game to give a town read. Its a hard read to back down from too. That posts makes gerpit likely town in my opinion. In general geript's thread presence and intentional interactions with many different players give me an early town read. Not one I'm terribly confidant in but I would not be happy with a day one lynch on him. I haven't gotten though his whole filter (I'm only up to those all caps posts about how marv should touch his penis) and I won't finish it right now. I'm exhausted and not sure I'm making much sense. Conclusion omega: geript is probably a townie playing poorly in the early game rather than a scummer. Would not be happy lynching him d1. As he is trying to contribute. My major problem with him as a town read is conclusion A. I'm having trouble reconciling that thought process with a townie. I may finish his filter later. For the moment he isn't a person of interest for me. For the moment sleep is a person of interest. I see you all tomorrow. [/b] | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 04 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i don't understand. Why is ticklishmusic excused from his bad meta read on me (i am still a bit bitter on this) but JohnnyLaw can still be scum when he has done some meta-research. Ugh, i hate when people hold different standards to different people. Of course people are held to different standards? That's part of why mafia is interesting, what is a scumtell for one person may be a towntell for another person, or infinite other examples. You're going to hold grush to the same standard as Palmar? jaybrundage to the same standard as Foolishness? If syllogism makes bad leaps of logic or doesn't pick up on something he should, he's damn likely to be mafia, but so many average players will routinely make the same mistakes as town. Weird thing to complain about really. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Because i will ask you do you think mafia would pick CPRdoctor at spot #20? Well they, would, di, and got it. | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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On December 04 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: And actually, nobody is allowd to use "do you think mafia would pick role X at spot Y?". Because i will ask you do you think mafia would pick CPRdoctor at spot #20? Well they, would, di, and got it. There's a big difference from crossing your fingers and picking an insanely strong mafia role at the bottom of a draft, and wasting completely a very high draft position as mafia to pick a town-only role. (if we're doing the VE example) | ||
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Promethelax
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 04 2013 20:32 marvellosity wrote: Of course people are held to different standards? That's part of why mafia is interesting, what is a scumtell for one person may be a towntell for another person, or infinite other examples. You're going to hold grush to the same standard as Palmar? jaybrundage to the same standard as Foolishness? If syllogism makes bad leaps of logic or doesn't pick up on something he should, he's damn likely to be mafia, but so many average players will routinely make the same mistakes as town. Weird thing to complain about really. I don't see the difference between those players. ticklishmusic has not played here, JonnyLaw is quite new. So what's the difference? | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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On December 04 2013 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't see the difference between those players. ticklishmusic has not played here, JonnyLaw is quite new. So what's the difference? There's a difference between not-playing at all and being relatively new, by the way. Just check Jonny's first and second newbie games, they look quite different. Otherwise it's about the other stuff that they've posted too. Of all the lurkers I think ticklish looks kinda townish really. Saw something he posted in my catchup about some interactions between a few players. Non-routine thinking, seems ok. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 04 2013 20:37 marvellosity wrote: I'm in no hurry, if i die somehow tonight you'll filter me, otherwise we'll be alive to talk about it tomorrow. Not rehashing my filter because you're lazy, dear. fair enough. Its mostly that I'm prioritizing people I don't have town reads on and ignoring people who are good night shots. I don't have to analyse dead people and I figure some combination of VE/SS/You/Rayn maybe me/austin/mig will be dead. If however many of those are flipped town I get to read their filters as buddies and assume they know things. If I die I don't have to read shit. Win win. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Also keep in mind that every character has another power. It's not badfor scum to pick a DT-role now that i think of it. I think i actually argued with LSB about it early on in the game. I would totally pick DT if i was scum. Easy to fake reports and good "fakeclaim" for your other power (because you should never use your other power unless it's a vigi shot and you have confirmed scum). | ||
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Promethelax
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 04 2013 20:42 Promethelax wrote: Also, explain away my uneasy feelings about geript's post about having no bans. Give me a new explanation that gels with him being town. Given the tone of the post, I'm not sure why you're taking it seriously at all? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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 If there were just the amount of anti-inv roles there were i would have gone with it. | ||
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marvellosity
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On December 04 2013 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Yeah marv, i worded my post poorly, last post of mine is what my concern is. Of course different players should be treated differently, i just don't see the difference between those two guys and therefore i don't understand the different treatment. Also keep in mind that every character has another power. It's not badfor scum to pick a DT-role now that i think of it. I think i actually argued with LSB about it early on in the game. I would totally pick DT if i was scum. Easy to fake reports and good "fakeclaim" for your other power (because you should never use your other power unless it's a vigi shot and you have confirmed scum). I'm not going to keep talking about this, so probably the last post on this specific subject matter. Regardless of alignments, I think it's fairly obvious that JonnyLaw and ticklish are not exactly the same sort of player. I can only judge by what's in front of me. Looks like you're judging differently, fine. Atm I back my judgement on what I've seen from ticklish. Re: picking powers. Still think it's unlikely, even if you'd supposedly do it. Just don't see the point like I said, it's just WIFOM reasons, it's a really meh reason. Hmmmm. hmmm. Well... the good reason to pick it as mafia is that so town don't get it actually. That maybe changes things on that front. I do feel good about VE specifically for agreeing with me vs sandroba on the Mocsta vs MZ thing. sandroba said they both looked dodgy, and VE jumped in saying that he didn't really see why MZ was looking dodgy from that, which at the time is exactly what I was thinking (I came in and +1 VE effectively). I dunno. I think VE is town, but I'm more wary than I was when I started this post. | ||
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