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On February 03 2014 05:04 GMarshal wrote: tempted... You should definitely join. It's a championship game, and I would love a chance to play against a TL Mafia veteran such as yourself. | ||
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On February 07 2014 15:34 Holyflare wrote: that's why you put scum in the nominations if you are scum........ Kush asked "why wouldn't scum just always put townies?" I answered his question. | ||
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It is not, in any way, op for mafia. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:13 geript wrote: ##vote Vayne authority Both unreadable and an empty seat. Slam looks pretty sketch as well. What? | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:19 geript wrote: Are you unable to read or think yamato? Vayne's an unreadable troll whose spot would be better filled by a lemur who just hit random keys. The monkey's reads would probably be better as well. Slam's first post makes me get the feels that he's Alakascum instead of Alakaslam. Wave, why did you not address me by my real name.? Vayne hasn't been an unreadable troll for quite a few games now. What about Slam's post makes you so upset? | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:26 VayneAuthority wrote: which is pretty much my goal this game, seems like the best way to go about this setup is just process of elimination PoE is more dependent on the list and number of players than it is the setup tbh. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't read Oats. And sorry luv muffin. And again, VA is not unreadable. <3 Good feels. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:26 geript wrote: I have yet to see Vayne otherwise. Slam has bad feels and his starting on Cora seems weird to me. Especially when he's been pretty nice-ish to/about him on omgus. Seems like a joke to me. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:29 VayneAuthority wrote: lol well the player list is absolutely brutal in that respect so no comment there. I'm hoping the mafia fuck up and give us info on the setup lynches instead of using it to their advantage Reference my posts in the last setup about the various ways mafia can use the nominations. I covered it thoroughly. | ||
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On February 08 2014 12:36 Risen wrote: I don't know I haven't played in a while and before that there was another long break :S Town meta: I'm useful eventually Scum meta: Bus the homies Bad in general. As town I don't care enough to rage. I will in fact shut down the thread with my rage as scum. Debatable. | ||
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The one game I thought I could read him as town he was mafia. Is his town play intentionally unreadable? Slam meta solved. | ||
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On February 08 2014 15:07 yamato77 wrote: Slam trolling , alignment indicative? The one game I thought I could read him as town he was mafia. Is his town play intentionally unreadable? Slam meta solved. In case it isn't clear, I'm being sarcastic. | ||
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On February 08 2014 16:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm getting bad feels. I'm really just waiting for something to happen. | ||
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On February 08 2014 17:04 geript wrote: I read him right pretty early on in Sicilian I think it was; DrH didn't agree with me at first (I was shadowing). Other than inactivity nothing jumps out at me either way. What do you think of Cora? Also, this is ass. Inactivity? Lawl. | ||
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On February 08 2014 18:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I think voting analysis is going to be especially helpful in this setup in general. Plus I filtered you and looked for Alak instead of Slam. -.- Okay, you made me feels better for now. But to clarify, you would categorize everything Slam has done so far as trolling and non-alignment indicative? He said "this is going to be me this game" or something like that. It's "categorically indecipherable" Slam. Not "posts are in plain English" Slam. His Cora vote was trolling, and the rest of it is incomprehensible Spamaslam. | ||
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Didn't care for this bit: On February 08 2014 12:25 Corazon wrote: Alright, I will give it a break. I just thought the conversation about Geript was going nowhere, so I wanted to throw it out there. @Oats: 4 people in this game are scum. When I figure out who is scum, I'll let you know babycakes  Shoots down Oats for Oats' dumb "who is scum?" question, then On February 08 2014 16:22 Corazon wrote: Geript, when do you plan on actually trying to find scum? Just curious. Turns around and does the same stupid thing. I, unlike you, give him no townie points for the Slam questions because it was a silly thing to ask anyway. | ||
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On February 08 2014 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato, you were really good in the last nomination game if i remember correctly. I would say discussing townreads (or giving out townreads in general in a scale people usually do) helps mafia in the nomination phase, as they can more likely tell who would people vote for over who. Agreed? I said this last game and got yelled at for it, but yeah, I agree. Town should be quiet during the dawn about ANY reads, really. | ||
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On February 08 2014 19:10 geript wrote: Fuck no. That's the question he's referring to. I remember this specifically from the podcast; I think you and Mocsta were all for it. It's dumb. That's another 24 hours we have to scumhunt and the nomination day is short. Fuck that plan and you're scummy for supporting it. No, it's smart play. There's no reason to let scum have any more information about your reads after the flip. Nomination days are literally the least useful days for scumhunting anyway. | ||
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On February 08 2014 19:15 geript wrote: No... the plan was scum favored and scum helped push it. Ask VE. Whatever dude. | ||
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On February 09 2014 07:57 Corazon wrote: Yeah I really don't feel like defending myself. I'm just gonna wait for Yamato to reply to my message. Btw, you guys should look into Palmar's vote of Geript. Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for scum to try and rile up Geript for no reason? I did not equate your behavior with geript's, I equated it with Lats', and called you hypocritical for your response to Oats. It's that simple. If anyone else has anything they want brought to my attention, I'm going to be catching up within a couple hours. | ||
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On February 09 2014 02:02 Corazon wrote: I know this going to sound like a cop-out, but I don't have any scumreads right now. (This thought line only works for me) I know that because I am VT, people attacking me either have to be wrong or scum. Rayn- I think your attack of me hinges on the interpretation that Geript's play was pro-active rather than shitting up the thread. It's not scummy if you disagree with me. WoS- He is wrong too, but I feel like it is too much effort for scum to be attacking both me and VE at the same time in the effort of trying to make an association case. He's also trying to get opinions on his opinion, which tells me that he is looking for the right lynch, not the one that gives him a scum read to cling to. Yamato- This: Is just blatantly wrong. He calls me out without saying that my play has been useless/I'm shitting up the thread. He doesn't want to make these specific statements that I can easily disprove. My post to Geript was basically saying "When are you going to stop shitting up the thread" and he basically stated that I was shitting up the thread too, which is a complete lie. My behavior ≠ Geript's behavior, and it's pretty bad for Yamato to try and link them together. That is most of my thoughts on the game. I haven't seen too many egregious posts which also makes me think that we have another huge lurker scum team. But it's just a feeling. Another thing about this post is, why are you only focusing on the people attacking you? You do realize that the logic "I'm town therefor those attacking me have to be wrong/scum" is incredibly silly. If you're going to continue playing as you have, there's no reason for me to believe you. You're not even necessarily trying to find mafia with this post, you're just arguing that people who call you mafia are wrong. You're not even OMGUSing, you're just playing defensive and trying to survive. You did this SAME kind of thing in Quiet Game where you basically only argued with people that thought you were mafia. If you're not going to take any initiative and try to find things worth talking about, the simplest explanation I can come up with is that you're mafia hoping to just skate by unnoticed. Now I'll be reading the thread from the point of when I fell asleep last night in more detail. This was the most notable thing I read before I left for work, but inevitably there is more. | ||
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On February 08 2014 19:56 geript wrote: Looks like I was just misremembering. I only remembered this post: Thinking he popped in and then fucked off. Guess I'm going to have to start taking notes since reading and playing lol doesn't work Actually you've just shown you're not reading at all, basically. No need to start now! On February 09 2014 06:48 geript wrote: No this is blatantly false and Palmar's fucking scum for trying to push me like this. Everyone who's ever played with me should know like the simplest way to read me is by filter length. Marv explained it in LoL. It's been true every time. I fucking struggle like hell to post as scum. Palmar even fucking knows this; he played LXI or whatever one I was confrimed town in and my activity was shit for most of the game. Not only this, but Palmar is trying to skew my actions on Oats. Oats is generally pretty easy to read based on how much of a dick he's being in combination with his activity. As town, Oats is far more willing to get into shitfests at any moment and is far more active than he is as scum. Just like in LoL he wasn't a dick early, despite being given the option to get into a shitfest he's just avoided it. So yah, PALMAR IS SCUMB!!!!!!!!! Palmar is scum with Oats and is using his name to protect him just like Rayn does. This is also shit, as is the rest of this interaction from geript's side. Wouldn't mind lynching geript if this is how he's going to paly. On February 09 2014 06:05 Risen wrote: Why? This post is decidedly null. ##vote: Corazon Should throw this in now since plurality. This makes no sense. Why is it necessary in a plurality lynch to vote so early on, especially given how little Risen seems to be interested in actually talking about this read? Out of nowhere, Risen just goes "Yeah I think Cora is scum" and then waffles about lynching him, yet now just votes him because "plurality". Ooookay... On February 09 2014 10:37 Koshi wrote: Vayne is a pretty cool guy. Like a nice guy to have in your team as town. Cracking some jokes, saying smart things only he gets, you don't really want to lynch him but kinda want to lynch him cuz he is somewhat useless, stuffz like that. Seeing nothing of that atm. So I vote for VA. It's not all meta btw. He is also totes not doing shit this game. I generally agree with this post. VA is much less lighthearted as mafia, and this game is devoid of image macros and stupid jokes. As town lately, he has actually shown a penchant to try to find mafia, and this game he doesn't seem nearly as interested. On February 09 2014 14:53 Corazon wrote: Sorry for only talking about what I could talk about at that point in time. I even said there wasn't much I wanted to comment on. After that, I've talked about Koshi and Palmar so now you are just lying. GJ Yamato First of all, my post was about the post that I quoted, NOT anything else, so you are again misinterpreting what I've said. Second of all, let's look at what you've said about Koshi and Palmar. On February 09 2014 10:58 Corazon wrote: We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum. This heavily implies you think geript is town. What makes you think that? What makes you think that Palmar is MAFIA for attacking geript for being terrible, even IF geript is town? This is a shallow read. On February 09 2014 11:18 Corazon wrote: Ok, now I have a problem with you shouting out "look how townie my slot is!" Any better reasons for voting out VA? This is the only thing you've said about Koshi. How is this a read? Cora, I fail to understand what you're trying to accomplish this game. As town, you try to scumhunt. This stuff does not satisfy that qualification. On February 09 2014 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote: I would lynch cora and rayn right now. Marv getting into stupid shitfests probably means he is town. How come nobody thinks im scum??? Oats, I agree about cora, but what exactly is Rayn doing that makes him mafia? I rather like that he and I generally seem to be on the same page. Also, Marv can get into shitfests as mafia. I withhold judging him until he actually decides to play the game. As of right now, he seems content letting others do the work for him, which tells me nothing about his alignment. | ||
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On February 09 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Yamato do you think Cora is scum or not? You're harping on shit that has already been brought up: Or alternatively have a look at what I wrote about Koshi. Marv is the only person aside from Koshi himself who has bothered to talk to me about it. Also I just realized, we haven't heard from Holyflare and VE STILL hasn't answered my damn questions. This was the last I heard from him, I made my post and he hasn't responded to that OR the specific questions I asked him. Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write. Cora specifically said, "I am waiting for Yamato to respond to me". Kinda have to harp on that shit, bro. I'm on Koshi's side in the VA-Koshi dynamic. VA looks more like mafia than Koshi does. I don't understand the VE thing at all. Why is him being afk reason to vote him? Not thrilling, Wave. | ||
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On February 09 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah marv plays cleaner as scum. I probalt need tp read rayn again but I didnt feel like he was.foimg anything What about Desert? He got into an argument early with me there and he was mafia. It's not an exclusively townMarv thing to do. | ||
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On February 09 2014 17:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I wasn't liking yamatos repeated "bored nothing happening will come back if ur lucky" crape earlier but that could totally come from town yamato and he has said some stuff that was okayish. He really isn't giving me much to work with, and his argument with Cora is making my asa twitch. What do you think? What do you actually think about Cora, VE? | ||
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On February 09 2014 18:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh okay I'll read it. You make me sad yamato. </3 If you're going to comment on my alignment, I'd prefer you actually read what I post. | ||
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On February 09 2014 18:09 Risen wrote: I read it I just can't remember what it was Nothing new, you haven't had a reason for calling someone mafia the whole game. | ||
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On February 09 2014 18:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeeehhhh...it's not really any different from what I expect from twonCora so far yamato. Like...you even said it, his only opinions are of people attacking him. He found you all so he's clearly reading the thread right? So he doesn't read as scum? That's a non-sequitur. What I said was, this is similar to how he was playing in Quiet Game, which is true. Also, his reads are pathetically shallow and he doesn't seem very interested in furthering them, either. When asked, he basically just said, "Yeah, I think he (Palmar) is scum but I'm not going to do anything until he comes back." Weeeeeeeak. No one but Palmar has been strongly pushing any of their reads and I'm tired of letting these low-effort players play like this. I mean, this town is like, drowning in nonchalance. Where's the impetus? | ||
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Defaulting to lynching Vayne would be a fine thing to do at the end of D1, but it would be much better if we put pressure on other players first. | ||
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On February 09 2014 18:35 geript wrote: VE how do you read Vayne? Hi geript, do you have anything more constructive to say today than "Lynch Palmar!1!1!"? | ||
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On February 10 2014 02:14 Corazon wrote: To be honest, I just want to survive to D2 so I can do analysis on the D1 voting patterns and have better reads. I'm not going to get myself worked up to defend myself because you guys won't listen to me anyways. ##Vote: Palmar Come on guys. Read the game. Okay, I've seen enough. ##Vote: Corazon If you're not going to play, I'm fine seeing you hang. | ||
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On February 09 2014 20:47 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster As a side note, I still don't understand what Marv seems to want to do today aside from discourage people from talking about him at all. It's annoying me that he seems content with not really leading any lynch today. | ||
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I feel great about today. We did so good. | ||
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On February 10 2014 05:03 Koshi wrote: I am here. Also wasn't really fake fake rage. Only a bit. I was annoyed. Koshi how do you read grack atm? | ||
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On February 10 2014 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote: But you are voting for VA. I am too, see? ##Unvote ##Vote VA VE: Active early, gives reads and stuff. Has since just sheeped wagons and interacted little. His wordiest post is a "I'll sheep wave and lynch Koshi" post. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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Yeah. Not thrilled with VE. | ||
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On February 10 2014 05:13 VayneAuthority wrote: isnt that VE's new town play? look really scummy day 1. still lol'ing at that sicilian game worst lynch NA Idk man, like this is giving me flashbacks to last Nomination game where he just kinda did what town did early on. There's nothing I can point to and say, "Yeah, I think town VE said that." | ||
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On February 10 2014 05:26 Risen wrote: Any reason I've been grouped with them? (Activity? Reasoning behind my reads lacking? Something else?) I have yet to understand why you have any of the reads you have this game. | ||
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On February 10 2014 05:27 Risen wrote: I'm confused as to why you find me an acceptable lynch after voting my lynch vote and finding my secondary lynch target scummy. You're not exactly my first choice, but you're definitely in my pool of lynchable players. Don't worry, Cora doesn't seem to want to try, so it's unlikely I'll find a good enough reason to switch off him. | ||
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Will analyse the other bits when I have more time later. | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:23 marvellosity wrote: na, credit goes to rayn, you were too quiet about it. no, I pointed it out first. I was anything but "quiet about it" | ||
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This isn't even a debate. | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:25 marvellosity wrote: you're right, it isn't, yam. You say you get all the cred and no-one will agree with you, that's how it will go Alright, bro. Hopefully you do more than sheep me in the coming days. | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:32 Holyflare wrote: "i take all the credit for calling him mafia" Flips town "I hate the thread" ................? If this is the standard of play I am to expect from other town players in this game, I will have a tough time actually finding mafia. | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:31 marvellosity wrote: alright yam, you get all the credit. Whatever, it's his own damn fault he got lynched. | ||
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Day 1, I think Palmar/Rayn are townie, shouldn't be that difficult to divine why. So I guess killing Marv is the best option. See you after lynch guise. (Unless school closes because of ice, in which case, I'll actually read the thread!) ##Vote Marvellosity | ||
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On February 11 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote: wut the shit yamato? seriously? If there's anything important I've missed, you have approximately 13 minutes before I finish my assignment and go to bed. | ||
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Work schedule was a last minute change. Life sucks and then you play mafia and die. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:31 marvellosity wrote: I'd just like you to explain your stance on Vayne if you could, yam. Early game, remember games where he is not trolling, think him readable. See him post some, see nothing that could be construed either way, not have super strong reads yet, think him good lynch to come back to if nothing else pops out at me. See Cora. Kill Cora. End of story. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is one thing that bothers me about yamato it's him not going "after me" at the start of the game. He has done so in pretty much all the last games we have played together and that always gives me a solid read on him. I wonder why not here? The stars aligned and you sheeped my case on Cora before anyone else. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: It's not too late yamato. You can still do it. Should I be more worried about rayn than marv? At the moment, I am not. Then again, I still have a lot of stuff to read and no time to do it today. You have ten minutes to reply with a good enough reason for me to change my vote. | ||
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Very, very upsetting. | ||
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On February 12 2014 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I for one find this post ironic and would like everyone to reflect on its significance. Ironic? I think there's a marked difference between me being UNABLE TO PLAY and players like Vayne/Cora/Oats/Grack who willingly do nothing when they are in the thread. This is basically the whole foundation of your scum read on me? The fact that I've been inactive (and told you I would be)? Coincidentally, or perhaps not, the timing of this post reeks. After I've shot down the idea that my read on VA was somehow "inconsistent", I'm attacked by VE/Grack/Wave all in one page in a "yamato is scum" circlejerk. Do not like this reasoning one bit. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote: man why am I the only dude who thinks yamato's answer is scummy? He wanted to lynch someone who he was confident he can read but currently was null for him. I thought he COULD be readable. Vayne being readable is dependent on how he plays, not on anything I can do. If he's going to be unreadable, he is a perfectly good lynch candidate. It's difficult to tell if you're just this thickheaded or if you're maliciously trying to misrepresent my post. | ||
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On February 12 2014 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Also how he pushed cora lynch and then blamed the rest of town for it after lolol This is the pathetic +1 of Wave's that I find scummy. It's pretty self-explanatory if you read it in context. | ||
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On February 12 2014 17:20 Oatsmaster wrote: do something instead of bitching about people calling you scum yamato. there are scum calling me scum, Oats are you one? do you not understand that Vayne has the CAPABILITY of playing in a readable way, but IS NOT PLAYING IN A READABLE WAY, AND THUS SHOULD DIE? What is so fucking difficult? | ||
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On February 12 2014 17:23 Keirathi wrote: @yamato: Meh. You were all about getting the credit for the lynch, then and basically told everyone to fuck off. How the fuck is that a townie mindset? Because marv blamed me for the mislynch, which is ass. Marv didn't do SHIT day 1. Almost no one did anything. And suddenly marv wants to dump on me after how little he tried? Fuck that. | ||
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On February 12 2014 17:22 Oatsmaster wrote: so by not readable you mean scummy then? Or do you mean policy lynch? -_____________________________________________________________- | ||
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trolly start into rage at being called mafia for fucking around the whole game thus far into afk/replacement keir isn't helping, trying to call me mafia for weak ass reasons I literally don't have the will to type the same response every time someone brings up the vayne thing | ||
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On February 12 2014 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote: You did ask for the credit. So you got the credit. No need to be a dick about it cause you were butthurt you were wrong. You weren't reading the exchange. Marv calls it "rayn's lynch" (before the flip) when rayn is just sheeping me anyway, and then wants to be a prick after the flip and make it my fault Cora flips town. Every need to be a dick about it. Fuck marv, and the rest of town, if that's how effort is to be rewarded. | ||
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What I like is winning. I would only consider this unfun if I were to lose. | ||
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I don't know if I buy the whole "I know I look bad" spiel from him. Instead of attempting to explain his reads, he's just self-admonishing and skating by for it. meeeeeeeeeeeeeh I'm interested to see how Keirathi comes back. He's basically stakes his whole play so far on calling VE mafia (he didn't even TRY to defend his ass reasoning for calling me mafia). Just for fun, I went back and looked at the getmoript filter from LXI, and the style of his play there is quite similar to geript's play this game. He was relatively low-content, and low-activity. This game, as I've already stated, has an odd progression in modes from geript. It's a conscious decision to troll, no? Then why is he so surprised when Palmar calls him out on it? Honestly, reading the exchange again with knowledge of how both players have played since really makes it clear that Palmar was spot on at the time. I'm going to filter Wave some time soon. My impression is mixed. He reads geript scum as well, but honestly, that's not that convincing. I don't remember a single stance he's taken on my alignment the whole game. I know day 1 he was all "VA is town" and stuff when Koshi called him mafia, so there's definitely something to be said about how unsettling this VA lynch is at the moment. | ||
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Are you reading my posts Wave? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh you mean the one on the top of this page? Ok, but I have no idea from that post who you think is scum. Wave, you are seriously not this thick. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: LOLWUT I'm fine with lynching VA.... Just..... WUT Yamato what the fuck? On February 13 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote: I see 'meehhhhhh' I'm 'interested' and 'my impression is mixed.' Can you show me where you're calling people scum in that post? And after everything why the hell are people just starting to listen now about VA? (Or maybe not since nobody has mvoed their vote off) This lynch is all kinds of wonky and I don't know in which direction. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:33 marvellosity wrote: er, you're misunderstanding yamato No, first he says "I'm fine with lynching VA" and then "I'm glad people are starting to listen about him, this lynch feels wonky." ...??? | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Apparently my sheer presence has the uncanny ability to completely destroy any and all thread activity. Is anyone around at ALL that wants to discuss something? Or is everyone content on letting the VA slide through without further discussion? Just tell me now, I'll switch my vote and fuck off 'till post-deadline. Cute. | ||
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Oats apparently has no meaningful thoughts about this game except who is town and who will be nominated. The rest of his posting is solely used to annoy people trying to think about the game with statements like "Stop doing X and solve the game!" Only he forgets to solve the game himself. Wave only posts bullshit. Koshi read D1? Bullshit. VA read? Bullshit. His only legit read is the geript thing and He spent more time defending himself from me than pushing that lynch yesterday. Note, during our whole interaction, he never voted for me. He just wants to look good. VE/Keir reminds me of VE/Snarfs from the other Nomination. Bussing abound, almost nothing else talked about, yet the lynch goes elsewhere. Surprising? Not really. Both of them are top priority lynches. Flipping one basically confirms the other. | ||
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Actually, I have to make sure you die first. | ||
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No one on my list of lynchables is nominated. Someone tell me who to vote for. | ||
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Now I'm hungry. | ||
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Seems like the cool thing to do. | ||
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I will decide my vote depending on their contributions today. | ||
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On February 15 2014 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: go VE solve the game ##vote keirathi so many promises, so little content. | ||
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Shouldn't more than "vote and afk" happen at lylo? | ||
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On February 15 2014 19:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah this game went bad fast. Yamato, who do you want to lynch? I'd lynch Keir or VE, like I've been saying. I suppose Palmar is right. I should trust the geript read over trying to make sense of how these lynches are happening. I don't have the time today to really make a concerted push away from Keir anyway, so if he's not mafia, the game is over. If he is, I'll get one more crack at solving this thing for certain on Sunday. ##Vote: Keirathi | ||
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On February 15 2014 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: VisceraEyes :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Why? | ||
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Marv was a shithead this game. | ||
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If Keir is scum, he's getting bussed, absolutely. | ||
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On February 16 2014 01:40 yamato77 wrote: No one but Palmar and I has expressed any desire to lynch anyone other than you today, VE. If Keir is scum, he's getting bussed, absolutely. Other than Keir, namely you* | ||
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I'm just here to keep you honest. You can't say bussing is not a possibility if he flips mafia because everyone is just afk voting. There is a negative amount of discussion going on. Whatever alignment he flips, mafia is absolutely fine with lynching him, lylo or not. | ||
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On February 16 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: This is me thinking logically. If you're town there is literally no way you could have a greater scumread on me than players like Risen/HF/Oats. It's like, impossible. So I think you're scum. Considering that you've been soft pushing me as scum the whole game, it's not impossible. You haven't justified that read at all until this, which is just terrible OMGUS. | ||
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I guess if we don't lose today, it's worth looking at other people first. | ||
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On February 16 2014 04:05 Grackaroni wrote: That's stupid. I would have been lynched yesterday if Koshi had shown any inclination of wanting to solve the game. When you say "that", what are you referring to? | ||
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Will do today at some point. | ||
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On February 17 2014 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Keir mentioned you as a scum suspect but never pushed it or discussed it at all. Just throws you in as a secondary candidate to me. He didn't push it because I called him out on it. | ||
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On February 12 2014 17:46 Keirathi wrote: "Keir put me in his scum list, so he must be scum!" Aw, boo fucking hoo. But fine, this argument is pointless because you're not my top read anyways. Go read what I wrote about VE and give me some opinions. And while you're at it, read through VE's filter in NMME1 and tell me what you see. Sleepsies for real now. Case in point | ||
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On February 17 2014 05:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Kier is flipped mafia though Palmar, it's not just associative evidence. It's not even good, because it's not even true. | ||
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On February 17 2014 07:25 Palmar wrote: I think I'm lynching Risen for effort alone tomorrow. I don't care about winning or losing, it's about sending a message. Well, if you/grack/hf/ve are all town, he pretty much has to be mafia. The problem is, I'm not sure how confident I am in that quartet. I'm pretty sure oats/wave are mafia, but as I said before, I doubt my earlier read on VE for how he's played since lylo started. | ||
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These nomination days are extremely boring. | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:43 Palmar wrote: Here's a starting point; ##vote yamato I don't have the energy to argue against a non-argument like "he's playing different than that game a year ago". | ||
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On February 18 2014 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote: you are probably getting lynched in the near future though Yamato. Does that give you the energy to argue? No. I'm fairly done with mafia as a whole for a while. | ||
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On February 18 2014 18:05 Palmar wrote: I mean, even if we only look at volume, if I had the same volume of posting as you do, I'd be under heavy suspicion. We're both players of veteran tier, so I think you must at least understand why it is we're worried you might be scum. It is pretty clear that one of the reasons is that you seem to not care about the game at all. If you then go on to refuse to clear up the muddy image, how on earth are we ever meant to win any mafia game ever? You apparently have read my filter, and don't think it looks bad, so why am I being discussed? It was once correct that if I didn't particularly care about a game, I was mafia, but that's not even the case. I've played back to back games now where I have been demotivated to play. At least early on this game, I tried figuring things out. If there is anything you think that muddies my image, bring up your concerns. I haven't read anything specific. It's all vagaries like "he's more active as town" which are the same kinds of things used against me in Quiet Game. As for who we should lynch, I think it's clear that you/ve/HF are town, so it should almost certainly be in the oats/wave/risen group. I see you vote Oats. What makes him a better lynch than one of the other two? | ||
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On February 19 2014 00:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm fine with yamato lynch. Like, in other games in general I'm able to super fastly just commit to townYamato. He's really giving us nothing to work with this game, and with everything else I think he's just the best target. ##Vote: yamato This is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't have any good reason for this to be your LYLO lynch idea. | ||
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On February 19 2014 00:57 Palmar wrote: I am liberally reading "I think it's clear", I guess, but assuming that is indeed your belief, the game is solved from your point of view if you're town. I wonder how that could possibly have gone past you? As with anything in mafia, everything I say can be assumed to be qualified with the statement "I could be wrong, but". As for my perspective, yes, it's likely solved, which is why I find it important to argue down my lynch. Still, it's still a good idea to have an idea of why we pick who we pick to lynch outside of the four of us (me, you, VE, HF), which is why I asked you about Oats specifically. | ||
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On February 19 2014 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Huh this is really weird, normally people ask for someone else's reads to get a read on said person. yamato clearly cant be doing that so I dont even know what he is doing. I am quite clearly asking Palmar why he thinks you're a good lynch. This is just a flat out lie. | ||
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Hopefully you all realize that there's no good argument for why I'm mafia and make the right decision. ##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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What gives you trepidation, exactly? | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:08 Palmar wrote: put your vote on risen instead pls. I will fix mine when I am back at a computer. can't go into explanations until after you've gone I guess I'll just have to trust you not to fuck it up while I'm gone. ##Vote Risen | ||
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Obviously this is belt material. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Just don't bother - he can do no wrong and his is ALWAYS the right play. I don't understand this aggression towards me. | ||
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Why is he angry at me? Did I do something? | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I still consider it a misplay from the first Nomination that scum didn't Nominate someone from their team early on. The reward potentially outweighs the risk imo. Especially if scum are found on the lynch if the Nominated scum gets lynched. EDIT: Derp, you're talking about your game. Nevermind. | ||
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The original was undoubtedly town favored, with the long nomination cycles and no scum kill contributing to an atmosphere where the better town players would probably live forever and eventually solve the game, as the earliest LYLO achievable was still a significant chunk of game time in. This was talked about to some degree. The changes made to compensate were a bit drastic. The singular scum NK was just a band-aid on the overall problem - strong townies can dominate this setup. Had marv played more during the ACTUAL lynch phases, I think this game would have been wholly different, but alas, he did not, and we were able to kill him before he got too involved. The length of the cycles was also just too short. Scum controlled time disproportionately, with 2/3 of the game past D1 being of questionable use to town, compared to 3/5 in the original setup. This change doesn't seem that drastic, but 24 hours for town to decide a lynch is not long enough, no matter how much it was discussed the day before. Perhaps 36 hour lynch days balanced against 12 hour dawns + 24 nomination lynches would have been better. You would have kept the 72 hour cycle intact (which I suppose was the objective) while giving town more time to actually play. This might have generated deadline differences, but the deadline isn't as important as the overall amount of time given to town. The town-controlled lynches would have had the same deadline anyway. I think the Nomination mechanic is interesting, but ultimately flawed. TL simply has too many players who are disproportionately good at town for such a demanding mechanic to be viable. As it was, the setup's balancing act actually tipped the scales towards mafia, at least in my opinion. I had no business surviving with how I played this game, especially against Marv/Rayn/Palmar/VE. I only evaded the lynch because town didn't really have the time to consider me properly, given that there were significant distractions within town that overshadowed my lackluster effort. On the last day, there was almost zero margin for error. If I get lynched, the two remaining mafia players have to choose between putting up one of risen/oats (effectively removing an option for the next LYLO's mislynch) or putting one of themselves up and risk losing yet another member and likely the game. Seeing as Palmar/VE were considered town by everyone, they would have been forced into choosing between Risen/Oats and then going all-in on the next LYLO to win, which was much riskier. I will say, I think I played mostly alright D1. It's the second time I've actually been able to successfully mislynch my target of choice. Cora presented himself as a fairly easy target, and I did take advantage of the fact that I knew he would get demotivated if someone called him mafia early on, as is his tendency. But truly, it's not so much that I made it happen, more that the majority of people weren't really trying to find mafia at all D1, so his lynch was basically the only thing that happened. Town only really discussed one other person's alignment in great detail, and that was due to Palmar's successful D1 efforts to put pressure on geript. My play past D1 was fairly bad. I managed to evade the lynch with some effective WIFOM and timely posting, but as Grack pointed out, I was fairly obviously mafia. While I wouldn't have had any more time as town to play this game than I did as mafia (obviously), the difference was that I was clearly motivated to post only as a means to continue to survive, and did not do much aside from trying to confuse town aside from that. I almost didn't fight my lynch at LYLO until I saw Palmar waffling about, and thought I might be able to make something happen. The rest of my team played well. We all had periods of inactivity, but I think we each managed to carry through well enough. Had geript not replaced out, I think we might have ended the game without losing a member, which would have been fantastic. As it was, I don't blame Keir, we all bussed geript somewhat while he was afk. Wave played well enough to fool everyone not-marv for a significant portion of the game. HF played the best, obviously. I didn't read basically anything he posted, but he was out of the discussion completely at LYLO aside from Risen's ill-fated voting, so he obviously did something right. There were 6 actual members of town, and 4 players who cost town the game. Koshi/Grack/VE/Palmar/Marv/Rayn all had their segments of the game where they were either super townie, or spot on with reads, or both. They all played well enough to become unlynchable. In this setup, that is invaluable. If scum has too many good townies to kill, they bascially automatically lose in a setup like this. The other 4 players did not play well enough. Risen, Oats, Vayne, and Cora dragged town down enough that even a bad mafia player like me was able to avoid the lynch. I do not know that there was meaningful analysis anywhere in any of these four filters. Outside of knowing that these players are bad, and expecting them to be bad, there was no good way for a townie to clear them. Unfortunately for town, they could not adequately move past these roadblocks without exceptional insight that no one should be expected to have realistically. I don't think a single player on this forum would have called all four of these players town this game. I read from both Risen and VA that both of them were intentionally playing badly to achieve things that had nothing to do with winning the game at hand. Why is this sort of play tolerated? We all agree, we want everyone to play to win, so why are some players playing simply to effect how people read them in future games? Is it fun to you guys to play with Vayne when his stated objective is to be an unreadable troll? As for Oats, I think there was something different at play. I don't think he plays intentionally to be unreadable, but the effect of his time commitment to this game is just that. I know he's played better before, and most players who played with him could read him fairly accurately, but as of late, I do not see that. Perhaps it is as simple as the amount of time he spends posting in a game. For Cora, I think the problem is literally that virtually everyone is rather mean to him. He is surely an abrasive person, but it does not help that a significant portion of this forum shows active contempt for him and excludes him. Asshole or not, immature or not, he's not going to be readable if he's not involved in the game, and it's exceptionally difficult to do that when everyone's just a prick. Overall, I did not particularly enjoy playing this game. It's fun to win, especially since I've only won one other time as mafia, but it wasn't a satisfying win for me, personally. I do not particularly enjoy being mafia, and despite my efforts to motivate myself, I was unable to stay focused on this game and continue playing at a level I think I am able to play at. I do not know that I'll every enjoy being mafia, I'm just not that kind of person. I also truly did not care to play in a game that no one seemed motivated to play in at all. I do not get the feeling that anyone liked playing in this game, that it was overall a frustrating experience for many. Marv stated being demotivated. VE was obviously frustrated throughout the game. I believe Wave even commented on how un-fun the game was for him at some point. I haven't enjoyed playing as much in the past few games I've joined, so I think I'm going to just take a break from TL Mafia, because I'm not really helping anything. Hopefully, in my absence, some dialogue goes on about how the players on this forum wish the game to be played, and we can agree on some better guidelines for play, but as it is, I don't think I care to play in the current atmosphere. | ||
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On February 19 2014 18:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the NK was unnecessary. Scum can make use of the nomination phases to position themselves if they play proactively, I don't think the original Nomination setup required a change. But I didn't feel particularly hobbled this game by the NK either, I think the game was very winnable as town even with marv getting shot. In the end, while frustrating, I had a good time playing it mostly. Sometimes. I guess because I took longer breaks from it than I should have. It gets away from you quickly, though that wasn't as much of a problem once the activity on the whole plummeted. NK was almost assuredly necessary, given the context of this game. A townie playing properly, as Marv/Rayn/Palmar all did early on, will not be lynched over a mafia player playing anything less than twice as well as they are. It's a rather unfair demand of scum to be less lynchable than the best townies in the game or just concede that they will never die. | ||
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On February 19 2014 18:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I had lingering suspicion that Palmar was scum playing me the way Wave and HF were ACTUALLY playing me. He was basically unlynchable from the very first Nomination. Imagine if he /were/ scum. But he wasn't. It was literally suicide for any mafia player to be put up in that Nomination. None of us would have gotten through that phase. | ||
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On February 19 2014 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote: That's the POINT of the game though yamato, to be townie enough to be nominated for lynch by scum. Scum HAVE to try and play that way too to blend in. It's not the setup's fault that most players don't play that way. I don't think ANY scum player can reliably fake being townier than the towniest townies. | ||
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On February 19 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Why on a regular day? In my fictional scum fairytale we're putting your "regular mislynch" players in the Nominations. You want to mislynch the good townies on regular days. We're talking about scum who are playing proactively, not the I don't think that's ever going to happen. | ||
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