EPTOn February 17 2014 06:19 IAmRobik wrote:
Let's not talk about roles
There are maximum 3 maf
Let's not talk about roles
There are maximum 3 maf
Is that from experience, or a (logical) guess?
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
Is that from experience, or a (logical) guess? | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On February 17 2014 09:16 Valenius wrote: Is that from experience, or a (logical) guess? Logical guess. 4 mafia means 1 mislynch=end game. That's ridiculous. 3 mafia means 2 mislynches=end game (since mafia kills someone during night). 3 mafia means 3 mislynches (and 2 night kills)=endgame | ||
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Valenius
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Lord Tolkien
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
Valenius what are your reads? More specifically I'd like to know what you think of Cavalinho and Lord Tolkien but other reads are welcome. | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On February 17 2014 06:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: I disagree with this point. There's no reason to lynch lurkers Day 1 where there's limited information for them to participate anyways. The later the game goes, the more valid an option it becomes. But right now this post was pretty incredibly unhelpful, even if I do appreciate the town read. I'd agree with this point for the most part. However, lynching a lurker would become the best option (in my eyes) if the next 27hrs of discussion don't lead to a solid read on a scum. I'd imagine it's easier to read someone's behaviours later on if they've already been posting. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On February 17 2014 09:31 Valenius wrote: I'd agree with this point for the most part. However, lynching a lurker would become the best option (in my eyes) if the next 27hrs of discussion don't lead to a solid read on a scum. I'd imagine it's easier to read someone's behaviours later on if they've already been posting. Any other major reads? Who's townish and who's scummy in your indication, and what are your thoughts about the current lynch case? | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
I'm going to miss that edit button so hard <_< | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
On February 17 2014 09:31 Valenius wrote: I'd agree with this point for the most part. However, lynching a lurker would become the best option (in my eyes) if the next 27hrs of discussion don't lead to a solid read on a scum. I'd imagine it's easier to read someone's behaviours later on if they've already been posting. This is not a read. You're just saying you agree with one part of a post by him. What are your READS? | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
Lord Tolkien: As in my last post, I agree (for the most part) with the lynching/no-lynching of lurkers. "2) On Amiko, he's (she's?) been helpful thus far at least in providing a spreadsheet copy for us to use." I don't see how that has any relevance to the actual game, it stands out to me as being an odd comment to use when discussing someone's posting. Amiko: 1. Suggesting to lynch lurkers, and then naming the lurkers 02:45 after the thread started was weird. You said "I want to hold my vote for a little longer since the game just started", but with 48-hour days if you're wanting to lynch lurkers you should be posting your list well into the second day. It add's absolutely nothing that early into Day 1.. my post was just saying I'm going to bed, that shouldn't be enough to get me off a lurker list. 2. Calling yourself town in your first post, again, seems off to me. If you're acting as town, people should form their own town opinion of you, which will be 100x stronger than a read formed by you claiming to be town in a first post. 3. I was going to add here about OneKing's criticism of the length of the post.. it's valid criticism, although in this case I feel like it's given some interesting talking points so i'll forgive it. Cavalinho: His (I presume?) explanation of only jumping on Amiko after the post by yourself was satisfactory to me, otherwise i'd be much more interested in the reasoning behind that.. Mafia Reads? Amiko / IAmRobik. Just a gut feeling on Robik. Town Reads? Lord Tolkein, and potentially OnceKing. No other strong reads yet. Also, you have to give me time to post.. The above post by me was posted before seeing your question (I went to make a coffee, and posted when I got back). I'm not a masssively quick poster, I like to go back and check, and recheck previous posts. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On February 17 2014 09:58 Valenius wrote: Sure. Lord Tolkien: As in my last post, I agree (for the most part) with the lynching/no-lynching of lurkers. I don't see how that has any relevance to the actual game, it stands out to me as being an odd comment to use when discussing someone's posting. Amiko: 1. Suggesting to lynch lurkers, and then naming the lurkers 02:45 after the thread started was weird. You said "I want to hold my vote for a little longer since the game just started", but with 48-hour days if you're wanting to lynch lurkers you should be posting your list well into the second day. It add's absolutely nothing that early into Day 1.. my post was just saying I'm going to bed, that shouldn't be enough to get me off a lurker list. 2. Calling yourself town in your first post, again, seems off to me. If you're acting as town, people should form their own town opinion of you, which will be 100x stronger than a read formed by you claiming to be town in a first post. 3. I was going to add here about OneKing's criticism of the length of the post.. it's valid criticism, although in this case I feel like it's given some interesting talking points so i'll forgive it. Cavalinho: His (I presume?) explanation of only jumping on Amiko after the post by yourself was satisfactory to me, otherwise i'd be much more interested in the reasoning behind that.. Mafia Reads? Amiko / IAmRobik. Just a gut feeling on Robik. Town Reads? Lord Tolkein, and potentially OnceKing. No other strong reads yet. Also, you have to give me time to post.. The above post by me was posted before seeing your question (I went to make a coffee, and posted when I got back). I'm not a masssively quick poster, I like to go back and check, and recheck previous posts. Thank you for the reads. Looking back at that point of comment, it is indeed odd and I thank you for pointing it out. I blame lack of sleep. You don't have a strong read on Cavalinho I assume? | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
Why is Lord Tolkien town to you if all you have to say about him is that you agree that a policy lynch on lurkers is stupid (it is) and that he's made an irrelevant post? | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On February 17 2014 10:07 Lord Tolkien wrote: Thank you for the reads. Looking back at that point of comment, it is indeed odd and I thank you for pointing it out. I blame lack of sleep. You don't have a strong read on Cavalinho I assume? Not particularly, although I'm unsure on the argument for not checking the active players. If some of the active players are in fact mafia, they could lead the game to a mafia win easier than I think the lurkers could. However, as with the lynching discussion, checking lurkers could be better due to getting better reads from those who are posting frequently. Mods, The Filters next to peoples names in the OP need updating to be looking at this thread, not the shadowed mafia one. | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On February 17 2014 10:15 OnceKing wrote: Alright, sorry for jumping down your throat lol Why is Lord Tolkien town to you if all you have to say about him is that you agree that a policy lynch on lurkers is stupid (it is) and that he's made an irrelevant post? Just a general feeling. None of my Town/Mafia reads are strong enough at this moment. LordT and yourself are just the two putting yourself in that category the most so far to me. | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
On February 17 2014 08:37 OnceKing wrote: What do you think of the Amiko lynch and what are your reads on everyone involved? Sorry for the late reply, had a long day today and just got back home. The first vote cast on Amiko was by OnceKing with the main reason being he didn't like his initial post. I agree with him on that, but I don't think it's enough to warrant a lynch on Amiko. What I didn't like about Amiko's initial post was there wasn't really anything of substance, his town claim is unnecessary since at that point anybody can claim town and it doesn't mean anything. The vibe I'm getting from that is that he wants eyes away from him. I really don't like this line from Amiko: (1) Game experience is already showing that it is something we can use to evaluate- I think most of us are new to the forum mafia game and sometimes mistakes can get a townie lynched (happened to me my last game). I just don't really see how we can use experience to evaluate anybody's alignment, if that's what Amiko means by evaluate. This line doesn't really give me a scum read on him, I just don't agree with his statement. But from his initial post, I lean very lightly towards a scum read on Amiko. As for others, I'll post a bit more later after I catch up and read through some filters. | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
After reading through Cavalinho's and OnceKing's posts, I'm starting to be a bit more convinced that Amiko is scum, however with so many inactives I will wait until they start posting more before casting my vote. Scum have a huge incentive to hide right now if Amiko is town. @Lord Tolkien: Me: obv town. If I were blue, it would only be Veteran because I can take a hit; otherwise, why would I risk my neck Day 1. You could also read me red I suppose; it's also a possibility. I just want to clarify what you mean by this post. What exactly was the risk you took and why would it be such a big risk that only a Veteran would take? | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On February 17 2014 12:00 theDragoon wrote: @Lord Tolkien: I just want to clarify what you mean by this post. What exactly was the risk you took and why would it be such a big risk that only a Veteran would take? I meant that if I were a blue. There's no reason for a cop or somesuch to be forward/active in Day 1, because it draws attention to themselves for a night kill from mafia. The only blue role (if I am a blue) that leads you to think I would be is a Veteran because I can soak a night shot. Assuming I'm not vanilla town or mafia, which are the other logical possibilities. I'm willing to bet the same thing generally with OnceKing, and probably Caval as well. Green, veteran, or mafia are the likely choices. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Cavalinho: Let's start here. As I said earlier, I think his suggestion that he wanted to vote for me but didn't act on it is scummy. What makes it worse is this post, where he does something similar: On February 17 2014 07:56 Cavalinho wrote:What's actually kind of funny was that I was rethinking my stance after what you posted earlier, but he keeps trying to push back on me which, in turn, makes me go after him. Again, Cavalinho says he had a thought or analysis, but didn't act on it. He doesn't say what points he agreed or disagreed with, and is attempting to align himself with another player without offering anything. I read players that bandwagon without providing reasons as more likely to be mafia than noncontributing players. If Beneather or n1k0 provide a post with nothing more than a vote, I would raise the same criticism about them. Idle players are good when we lack information, but when someone acts scummy and continues to act scummy they take a higher priority. But, it gets worse for Cavalinho. First he said he wanted to vote for me before the first vote. Then, he said he was probably on the right track. Then he said he considered Lord Tolkein, but decided he should still go after me. Then, you get this: On February 17 2014 08:33 Cavalinho wrote:There's still more than 24 hours left for today's votes. Don't forget that. We have all the time in the world. I'm not even 100% on the Amiko lynch yet, so I might take my vote down just so we can get more reads. If Cavalinho wanted more reads, this was the absolute wrong way to end the post. He should be pressuring the people he wants reads from. I see this post as trying to appear unsure - I think it's clear that my number one suspicion was on him, so when I flip town it'll look bad for him, so this is an opportunity to start looking for someone he can target on day 2. This is hedging his bets and it isn't doing anything for town. IAmRobik: I have a slight scum read on him because of the ambiguity of his post. On February 17 2014 05:25 IAmRobik wrote: OnceKing, That's one hell of an argument for a newbie game. what's your experience? It doesn't say he agrees or disagrees. And, he doesn't follow up on his question at all. I think he should explain his posts and provide some analysis or at least weigh in on one side or the other for my post.. LordTolkein: This post concerned me On February 17 2014 08:16 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'm not entirely convinced that Amiko is red, but I don't think at this point it matters. If you are town, it should be super relevant whether I am mafia. I've given some explanation of my playstyle and I'm the focus of day 1. If you are town, you should be wondering about my side because it may be the only information you get going into day 2. If you are town, why are you willing to enter the next day with as little information as you have? This is at worst a scumslip, and at best it's the wrong attitude to have. I don't want to base too much off this comment, but it made him lean scum for me. OnceKing: I discussed OnceKing somewhat earlier. In summary, although he is voting for me and I am town, I think he's at least directed town toward some useful discussion and provided reasoning. More importantly, he's followed that up by pressuring for thoughts of other players. I don't like that he is leading a lynch on me, but and I think he has selectively misinterpreted my posts twice. But as I said before I think this is town-favored play because it has helped conversation.. theDragoon & Valenius: I'm not sure. They have contributed a little but I don't have a read yet. I would like to ask both, if you were to pick someone other than me to lynch, who would you pick and why? If I am lynched and flip green, what will your thoughts be on Cavalinho & Beneather, [b]n1ko[b/]: Nothing to read yet. I would also like to know what they think of Cavalinho since I fingered him in response. I'd also like to know whether they can commit to being more active in the coming days because right now we have no information to use. Regardless of whether you agree with me, I think you should at least be dissatisfied with the contributions you have gotten from most of town today. I hope you do not vote me, I will certainly keep on contributing while I am alive. Hopefully I can persuade you to change your minds to avoid a mislynch. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
##Vote: Cavalinho I saw a few more things to comment on above so I'll write something on those now. | ||
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