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can we kill tam for hurting my finger with the scrolling? On May 21 2014 09:55 kushm4sta wrote: The reason why faction games suck is because scum can legitimately scumhunt. So the only way for town to scumhunt is to use connection theories. This is only true to an extent, scum still act differently due to the asymmetrical nature of information in the game and as is especially pertinent in the case of sk;s and other 1 player factions having differing win-cons. In my experience scum being able to legitimately scumhunt often doesn't mean they will. speculation is fun I don't know much about the golden sun games but i'm guessing we got lots of guns and it's likely 1 probably 2 of the 4 factions don't have kp. I am trying to think what a 4 anti-faction would look like and I am thinking 1 or 2 leaning 2 single person factions kinda like BC's Arkham city worked + Show Spoiler [*] + well sudo-random | ||
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serial killer, survivor, arsonist, cult master type shit or flavourlicious roles like batman. there is probably 1 because 4 anti-town factions with multiple people each sounds mad | ||
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On May 21 2014 10:31 BlueyD wrote: Hmmm I don't like layabout much either. Excuses about post count before anyone says anything about him, and a crossed vote on blazinghand (probably the most visible player so far) while pretending he hadn't read the thread. So how did you pick Blazing there if you hadn't read the thread, layabout? RNG just falling on the most visible guy? --- And his most recent post just now has some contradictory ideas about RNG. Open to it in theory, but then lists stuff he hates about it. Mehhh. I always pick blazinghand. I am pretty sure i have picked blazinghand in games he wasn't in. Still reading. It's important to warn people that haven't seen you in games when you generally fall into the "small number of posts even when spending far too much time on the thread than is good for you" group as i tend to. When you don't GoT mafia happens, now you made me think about that game ima go find a nice corner, shudder and cry. | ||
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the shitting up has to stop | ||
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On May 21 2014 11:19 Alakaslam wrote: Ok full moguls here. This is itself far more scummy than me showing up saying "what page we start" I didn't even know game had started so I wanna know where it started, like 31 pages I don't wanna read pregame again And I do read big games otherwise a vig will shoot me and how can I spread the  of the prissy pink Jedi?why would you post this? you aren't attempting to justify calling geripts post scummy and the rest of the post is irrelevant bollocks and whinging. Why are you being so defensive? | ||
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That level of posting would give us over a hundred pages (you are at the top of the 4th page), keeping up your presence and keep the thread active are generally good things but this is destructive, anti-town and it just pisses me off. Your rate of posting is too high for how little you are doing, you aren't moving things forward you are trashing the thread. | ||
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On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote: How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage. Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case? Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes. However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt. And that is my opinion on you case. Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact. | ||
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On May 22 2014 02:43 Blazinghand wrote: sacjnsvdkn sc.,ms cmnas calmsnd c si\js c\scDon't lynch me, I'm Isaac, Hero of Vale! I have important powered needed for us to win, and if I get lynched this game will be much harder. You know this claim is real cause Isaac is like the main character so I would 100% get CCed if there was another Isaac. @everyone who wanted to lynch me: /dunked. j\sc jk\bhscjzkc l;cns\kmn o\ishd j\asdbcj\zn \h \s \s # sa\d cjb saknc a\shilbasdm as/, #s # sadbc sackv .a\w | ||
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On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote: So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained. Would not lynch today: Meapak Hapa Holy poofter BlueyD austin Koshi BH fool geript bkq ceph wave xatalos Preffered lynch: layabout Could lynch today: Valenius thrawn bunnies sqrt Yellow tamburini MysteryMeat No clue: slam marv steveling kitaman cavalinho If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list. ##Vote: layabout this is his first and only mention of me. it is unsubstantiated but follows the tone of the thread. a list takes a significant amount of time to produce compared to a sentence or two to explain your vote, he is putting in time but missing out the important bit for a towny. it looks very much like a mafia vote to get a wagon rolling he is giving momentum to a trail of thoughts without adding anything of substance to it whatsoever. I am dissapointed in you guys | ||
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I am not sure if i can be bothered to deal with being under pressure for so long because marv can't read me and people listen to him. Is it worth explaining why you are all wrong? Should i ignore it and try to get someone lynched even though i have just about read the thread? Do i commit intellectual self harm and continue watching heroes after the first season? | ||
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On May 22 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: why the fuck are you angry and especially at marv? marvs read is sheeped from me and koshi I have limited access i was around at the start when most of the thread was shit. I tried to respond to the relevant bits but i was not reading the thread particularly closely because there isn't much of value around. I get back and a bullshit wagon that only started because i wasn't around when the thread started to get better and because entering a thread that is stacked against you is not all that fun because no one listens to you and very few people will look at what you say the way they should once they start to think you are scummy even if their suspicious were originally quite shaky. marv is right in that i was avoiding taking a stance but that was mostly because i try to be careful at the super early stages and don't like taking stances when i haven't made my mind up, which if you have been reading (unlikely i know) is actually really ironic. cephiros case was the only thing in the thread that i thought was important he asked for opinions and i offered one. But because i didn't end with i" think ninja bunny is ___ so we should(n't) lynch her" i get this. | ||
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##Foolishness Read: WaveofShadow | ||
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@hapa/hol i cant remember what is supposed to be bad about riotsky aside from the talk about bh and yellow having the same alignment for hamping on about rng which doesn't make much sense. geript - notes on steveling: 19. Steveling - annoying and shitting up but very active and gradually becoming more relevant in terms of content scum dont generally post 4 to 5 pages of shit then start playing holy i am careful at the start because i don't generally know what i think and my priority is to try to move into the bit where we are playing "properly". | ||
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holy i think bkqyr posts make decent sense and they are confident to say things that no one else is i might choose to interpret this as town but even if i don't i see no reason to lynch bkqyr i like kush's posting and after scrapping a case i also like hapa | ||
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On May 22 2014 10:24 Holyflare wrote: hapa scrapped a case? or do you mean austin? as in i wrote stuff about happa then scrapped it because i found something. Ima go to bed soon Currently i could support lynches on: jampidampi - unsupported vote that looks to be jumping on a wagon to disappear tamburini -started enthusiatic and with some messy posts gone quiet for over 24 hours having come under pressure possibly worried to post koshi - very many posts but nothing substantial, hiding behind sheeping WoS - watching the thread but not adding to it alakaslam nothing of value + disruptive | ||
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WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. I don't believe its the case but frankly if you think WoS is contributing more than me just kill me. He is voting for me but not for any of the (piss-poor) reasons already brought up but for one that isn't valid: That 100% of my posting is shit so i am a shitter. WE HAVE GERIPT STEVELING AND HOLFLARE TAKING DUMPS ALL OVER BUT NO! LAYABOUT IS THE ONE SHITTING UP THE THREAD. This is total bullshit. ritoky cannot believe that argument and that i am mafia for that reason. He is sheep voting with invalid justification. He comes into the thread on day 1 and says that WoS is his top scumread. Before he leave he says that the lynch should be beteen layabout and WoS. he says WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. that is the entirety of his comments about WoS. It's almost as if he is trying to not be convincing. tamburini has gone completely quiet since ritoky thought he was scummy. In my eyes te going quiet is pretty scummy since it shows tamburini is worried about posting, but in ritoksy eyes it's cause to drop suspicion http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21391985 I think you misread mtam's filter, I was moreso commenting on how I felt his movement back and forth from neutral to scummy, back to neutral was how I was feeling about bunnies. wait no, it wasn't. 12 hours ago mtam is even more suspicous to ritoky. Then tamburini gets a load of votes but rather that go with his scumread that might get lynched he totally ignores it and jumps somewhere else. He is not trying to figure out the gameHowever since then mtam has gotten a lot worse in my mind. He is scum ##vote: ritoky | ||
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I am confused as to why mattisfoolish wants us to kill kush. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 15:55 mattisfoolish wrote: Ninjabunnies I wouldn't lynch. Seems like she's putting effort into the game and is trying to figure things out. In a large game like this it says a lot for a player to be doing that on day 1. Mafia wait to see how cold the water is before treading out. Really I don't think a full analysis is warranted here, reevaluate her in a few days if you're suspicious. We should be after the people who are passively posting in the thread not the ones who are forcing people to talk or giving out reads. If you're not convinced, find a game where she's town/mafia and see what she does on day 1 and compare it to this game. By that I mean ask yourself if she put out thoughts in the thread and forced people to talk or not. I would definitely love to see some pressure on tamburini. Lots of people are hammering for his giant post but I don't think that's warranted. Reasons being: 1) the long post only means something if you think he's mafia and over-compensating to appear town. That means he's trying too hard to be town. 2) The kind of stuff he was saying in the long post is typical of his trollish behavior (for example look at his first 10ish posts here where he's town). 3) If instead of being one long post if that was 10 posts of spam like most people do you probably wouldn't be making these arguments. Instead I'm actually bothered by the following post: Why? He essentially listed about 6 people and said "I'm not sure but maybe..." about them. If you look at his town games he's much more direct about his accusations. Take a look at the following posts from his town games: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote: Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened. 1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny. These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far. + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 20:10 mtamburini wrote: What question do you want asked, I gave my reasoning on why Yellow should be lynched today.. His sarcastic remarks (joking posts to some) are highly indicative of an experienced mafia not knowing what to say in that situation when caught in a contradiction as bunny pointed out. Next he asks someone how he shouldve responded to that to look more towny. As town people you dont care about acting towny because you are town, as mafia you care about acting towny so no one finds out your mafia. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2014 15:52 mtamburini wrote: I've got this really paranoid read that if we do not kill Yell0w today we should kill bunnies. Here is why. 1) She pressured Yell0w in beginning and there was mixed emotions on it with a lot of people defending him and she retracted her vote on him. She said something like well whatever then I wont vote on him. She can easily take her vote off and seem towny for it, but also she can be mafia with yell0w and then pressure him a bit with some reasoning that I liked but a lot of people didnt. Im a little confused I think there is at least one between them. Either bunnies is town and mafia defended Yell0w who is also mafia OR Trying to soft bus on Yell0w and see reactions from others and one of her partners steps in and defends Yell0w to gain some cred and distance themselves from bunnies. OR Yell0w is town Bunnies tried to get an easy ML on yell0w but no one was willing to go on it (but me afterwards) and her mafia partners distance away form her again. 2) It may be a stupid reason but she posted before she was drunk/tipsy then comes out the next day and says she got roleblocked. Why not say it in her first post? I mean OGI maybe but you do get notified when roleblocked so I dont think she does not check her inbox to see what message she got. a) Shes mafia and didnt really care if she got roleblocked b) Shes mafia and is faking she got roleblocked after reading whats happened. Shes already said shes not a role so she is probably gonna skate by today because of that but its something that is stuck in the back of my head and it gives me nightmares Look at how direct his accusations are. In the first spoiler post against yell0w (from the previous game not the current one we are in) he wrote that about 4 hours in. "This person is mafia because they did X Y and Z. If we're not lying this person we're lynching this other person because A and B". That's the kind of town that I like, not afraid to speak his mind and push what he thinks is right. His accusations this game (if you can even call them that) have not displayed the same level of directness. As a mafia, he would want to be doing that so he doesn't have to take responsibility later on. ##Vote: mtamburini Hilariously after these posts I've pretty much read the entire game of Newbie Mini LV. Initial read on him is town. Remind me to read him again at night or day 2 if we're still around I'm looking at others first. And yes I'll be mindful of giving updates where I stand. As much as I'd like to I'm not just going to completely ignore the thread and everyone in it. I'll try to remember to sign the posts, but I said in my very first post that Mattchew is going to be gone for about a week. I don't think he'll have time to post until then so just assume it's Foolishness for now. --Foolishness If you open up the spoilers and look at the post foolishness is focusing on you will see that tamburini is asked about 8 players and then gives his thoughts on those 8 players. He does this an an early stage and says what he thinks rather than labeling each player. Foolishness then tries to use meta to show that tamburni is playing differently but foolishness ignores the context of the things he is comparing He compares tamburini playing in a mini pushing a read with confidence to tamburini responding to a question about his thoughts with his thoughts. I expect a lot more from foolishness and that doesn't sit right with me. | ||
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On May 22 2014 21:56 jampidampi wrote: But I can't seem to find a reason why became angry between those posts. From the post it seems that he got angry because more people were jumping onto him, but that didn't hapen in that timeframe, so I'm confused as to why he wasn't angry in the first post. It was because i (re?)read more of the thread between them, i can't remember if i had fully caught up with the first one what do you think about ritoky? | ||
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burini's recent posting makes me more inclined to vote him. He didn't seem to care when there is a considerable chance of flipping and that just isn't town at all.plus 70 short pages in 4 hours is weak. It looks like odin is going to flip. is the case against him just "active lurker"? It's fine if it is but that's nothing compared to ritosky who has proper inconsistencies in his play. ##vote mtamburini | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:51 Steveling wrote: Fucks sake layabout, do you know how ez we made it for the scum veterans to come after us now? Whether he flips red or green. Fuck this game. w/e scum veterans have a great thread environment an multiple day1 blue claims | ||
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On May 23 2014 05:07 Steveling wrote: Fucking guy is laughing at our faces, lmao. Scum who claims best blue role d1 and says these kind of things, damn it BH you are my hero. To be fair his actions are totally consistent with his townplay | ||
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hang on i wasn't anyway | ||
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On May 24 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote: the dude was absent for way more than the last 3 hours of the day tho and he hasn't veen back since then so yewah, get served "dude" your first game of mafia wasn't even student it was the 80 player one @ hapa cephiro was one of if not the first players to move the discussion into the realms of because of A and B player C is Mafia | ||
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Go back and look at ritoky. Convince me that his actions around the vote are consistent with his alleged read and that he is trying to figure out the game, because to me it look like the exact opposite. He utterly ignores one of his major scum candidates (tmaburini) and the wagon on him to oportunistically jump onto somebody who he didn't even understand the case against instead. He felt like WoS was a prime candidate for the lynch since his entry to the thread but did not to act upon it. | ||
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bk almost certainly scum hit, mz too i guess since he would have been a terrible vig shot | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:24 geript wrote: Nobody, I just don't trust my reads right now and have been on a really fucked up sleep schedule and haven't made time to filter dive heavily. "Yo guys i claimed vig day 1 i had time to make a 12 page filter but i didn't have time to find a lurker, a spammer, read posts about who to vig shot or have a single scum read. I tunneled steveling to the point of spamming the thread accusing him of being scum but i didn't shoot him either. Furthermore i didn't use my bullet since I didn't expect to be roleblocked or shot by mafia" | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:26 ritoky wrote: My initial response to reading the night kills: Koshi - Seemed pretty town last phase to me, there were a few people sheeping him, so I could see how he would be targeted...guess I was wrong about the town part. BK - Was pretty null for me, but wasn't this guy a veteran smurfing? And didn't a few people take issue with the fact that he wouldn't admit who he was? Could have been a spite kill for that? Otherwise I don't particularly see a justification MZ - Crap, there goes my top town read. Going to read everything since the day phase post now. what kind of approach is this? Hay guys these are my reads on the people that are already dead! No one needs to know this and there is no real reason to post this as town. It does not do anything to further town goals. However reading this makes me think that when ritoky wrote it he was thinking primarily about he would look in the thread when he wrote it instead of what he wants. It doesn't seem like a natural reaction. It looks constructed, fake. "MZ - Crap, there goes my top town read." Now when your town townread dies and you think that, at what part of your post would you put it? Here it reads like a bullet point not a curse! Typically I would expect this kind of comment at the start of a post since it's your immediate thought on seeing the flips. Ritoky is mafia guys! | ||
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the alakaslam thing is funny but bh had told us enough for anyone to work out and mafia always have the upper hand when working out role shit compared to vt's. So with that said since i wasn't explicit geript is lying about being a vig, not sure if it makes him mafia dun wanna filter him. | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:47 mtamburini wrote: Just trying to understand the conversations that are going on right now, not sure what to make of it. Have not caught up yet but working on it. I plan to be caught up sometime tomorrow evening around the 24 hours mark I need to go to sleep in a couple hours I have work early tomorrow morning. With this being only an allignemnt flip game Im having trouble taking into consideration why certain people die over others (IE softing roles for example) All I can base the town kills off of are the scum thought they were the most towny people playing or if a town role decided to shoot them because they thought they were scummy. As far as I know no one has claimed any shots just yet so Im going to assume Scum have a Kp of 3 so there might be only one non town aligned factioned that is non threatening. With regards to the koshi death the same logic applies with the town people dying, did another faction think they were acting really town and shot him or did a town PR shoot him thinking he was scummy. Its hard to me do decipher information by the way the posts are being written, it seems like someone is writing up minutes to a meeting of what each person said. Its feel like were all conversing at a round table and there is bickering back and forth between parties. Almost like video mafia except I cant get any body reads of facial reactions from anyone. From the sounds of it you have been around, you have managed to play games before why can't you put your time in now? Is it really that hard to play as scum for you? | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:47 Steveling wrote: Layabout since you are here, care to explain your "I want him to be shot" post about me? 19 pages of posts in 1 cycle and way too much is noise, as mafia i wouldn't even consider shooting you yet because the volume of posting by you and that you have directly triggered is making the game intimidating/a pain in the ass depending on what kind of person you are. You HAVE to be more concise or we should probably kill you. Continuing to post that way is super anti town. I remember spending 12 hours a day on a game and it having a pretty negative effect on me, i was posting a ton and they were long posts but i only managed 13 or so pages in all. I don't know how you are doing it, it seems a tad insane to me. + Show Spoiler + as in i can't grasp it, i am not calling you a nutter | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:57 geript wrote: Look laya, put yourself in my shoes. Pretend that you're a vig, have had a pretty terrible D1 despite being obv town and are short on time. I'm rarely shot N1; hell I'm rarely shot N2. I have far more to gain by holding my shot. I could've shot a lurker like Meat, a mostly inactive like Onegu/OK, etc. But odds are that I have time to hold my shot in a game with like Koshi/Marv/BH/Hapa/Kita/Fool/etc. Especially wwhen I've been playing awfully and am likely to make an awful shot like say BH, Slam or Scumeling because of how biased I've been. It's just better play to wait in my position. In most positions in a large game like this it's a good idea to wait a few cycles. Keep on this train if you want but it's just a dead end. This is not the perspective of a town vigilante. Nobody buy this. | ||
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His behavior yesterday did not match up with what he told us his reads where. He provides a handful of shaky half sentences with regards to why people might be mafia and there is no indication that he is trying to figure the game out. The most he was prepared to write was inconsequential "analysis" and BH and y3llow talking about rng. He tone and post structure show that he is also very mindful of how his posts make him look!! ##vote ritoky | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think yellow is town. Not so sure on ritoky tho. I'm leaning town, just from meta read. Okay, going on meta reads right now: Yellow - town Val - leaning town Cav - leaning town Bunnies - town tambo - not sure ritoky - leaning town Now that I look at them, they're pretty much all town. "meta read" is bullshit You have to know a persons play very well to do so correctly why don't you weight in on something that matters. Perhaps you can explain in detail why you think what you think about something relevant? | ||
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He is a great bet for mafia, i had a lot of people agreeing with me but no votes. What gives? + Show Spoiler + people were over, i alcoholed sue me Thing is, (and this is part of why i gave up on jamp,) his list was actually a pretty good assessment of the game at that point we have 14or so/28 votes cast is it too much to ask for people to be more forthcoming with votes and opinions? Thread feels flat. | ||
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i have a reasonable pool of players that i am confident are town ive been waiting for sqrootnegwhatever to do something today since i don't feel like i could push him at the moment. erandorr and thrawn need to die. tbh most of the people i thought or now think might be mafia have stopped playing and the lynch is between people i am fine with | ||
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i liked blueuy yesterday and i don't care for the case on him | ||
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The start is super chaotic and annoying then everyone stops playing. | ||
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On May 25 2014 10:06 sqrtofneg1 wrote: What do you suggest? actually playing mafia for cool points to counterbalance those lost from your name in the eyes of some? | ||
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TAKE NOTE: marv said that he and BH were confirmed town to each other but i cannot for the life of me find BH agreeing with this which should have been a priority of his the moment he saw that marv had written it. If they are confirmed to each other regardless of whether if helps us now we need to know it before one of them flips. It would leave us exposed to a flip manipulating role but since it's alignment flip it would be a ridiculous level of host setup bullshit for such a role o be there. | ||
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On May 25 2014 10:37 Alakaslam wrote: Call me a fool and hypocrite, but. Say again? No CHUPAZI, no grammar bads, I think I might possibly get what you are saying. I believe it is not complex but my duncery requires you state it differently CLICK ME On May 24 2014 06:43 marvellosity wrote: anyway BH and I are confirmed town to each other, so can we just stop this please? bh was around bh totally ignored this. Major wtfs if they are both town and and confirmed to each other and that happened | ||
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On May 25 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote: And I'm still ignoring it now! Look at that.  this is just another bullet point on the imaginary list of reasons for why i hate your play and always want a gun | ||
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On May 25 2014 11:02 marvellosity wrote: hey you. I think ritoky's recent posts (and especially the last one) is pretty good. why don't you? Marv just said this My heuristic is - long walls of text - not alignment indicative are the long walls of text eminently reasonable? -> mafia are the long walls of text not that reasonable, tunnelly, hammering away at a certain point, convoluted -> town marv you asked him stuff and he responded with a wall that you think is good by your own metric that makes him more likely to be maifa. i think his earlier play very much suggests that he is mafia and a few reasonable looking walls doesn't change that. What are his priorities when he is posting? His recent posts still look like his image is at the top of his agenda. | ||
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Ritoky sounds like a rolechecker. I don't understand the timing of his claim nor the fact that he doesn't appear to understand the mechanics of his role. Rito pls, can you clarify? We need to decide if we are banking on winning with 3p which seems dumb or just killing slam/bh/austin. Also, congratulations to anybody aligned to the adepts with a non-vanilla role that hasn't claimed halfway into day 2. | ||
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On May 25 2014 19:48 Xatalos wrote: Also LOL @ Slam for becoming so townish after being "shot". I think this makes him town for almost certain. An exposed 3p faction has to appear to be working in towns best interest if they want any chance of town taking a risk and letting them live. | ||
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On May 25 2014 20:51 ritoky wrote: I am getting ready for work, so I have about 15 minutes to vote and clarify things for anyone if they want it. Won't be back at deadline time. Yes I think in general my role is basically a rolechecker, with a slight variation. As for why I claimed...I thought it was a good time to claim given the state of the game at that time. There wasn't a whole lot of reliable information or stuff in general going on at that point in the phase. Currently I am leaning toward voting austin cuz he hasn't convinced me that his faction's win condition isn't exclusive from town's. Rolechecker is traditionally a mafia power. But if we work with the assumption that you are town: Have you asked what happens if you were to target a non-town vanilla role? When you got the result surely ninja would either be a town blue or scum. The response to this is to stay quiet (you think she is blue) or try to pressure/build a case etc (you think she is mafia). So why tell us you are unsure about her and then share the check? You are potentially exposing two town blues to mafia, and you haven't used your check to try to influence the lynch, or any other clear town oriented benefit. | ||
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On May 25 2014 21:18 Xatalos wrote: He seems like the safest lynch, but not necessarily the best one. If he really can win with town, it'd be good to have him on our side. It mostly comes down to whether we deal with him or the faction he is against deals with him On May 25 2014 14:44 austinmcc wrote: Steve, at least for me, I recruit as a night action. IF there were other recruiters and IF they work in the same fashion, BH/slam couldn't have recruited each other or anything before the start of D2 basically, so one wouldn't have known about the other or anything. I think this means we have to lynch him | ||
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On May 25 2014 21:45 Tehpoofter wrote: If Austin is telling the truth were missing mafia for two days. I'm out of touch in the thread so I know my voice counts for little but the way Austin acted doesn't seem like caught scum to me. It doesn't matter that he can with with town since recruiting town reduces town numbers and since he can win when we lose letting him live is a huge and unnecessary risk | ||
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I don't like how he is happy about austin. I also don't feel like killing austin. | ||
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I want to try something convoluted but everything i think of seems really fuckwithable | ||
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i wanted fire and shit i soo could of got recruited and got fire powers tonight, this sucks | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Frankly a hell of a lot less posts and a hell of a lot more content. Our day 1 this game was significantly bigger than the 80 player game day 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/285690-tl-mafia-xlvii?page=92#1823. I know things have changed a bit since i stopped playing but this is retarded. tbh i am suprised slam didn't get warned for his "oh god i got shot" raping of the thread. I remember when i was just browsing tl and i stumbled across this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/282366-steamship-liquidia-tl-mafia-46 . Something about it grabbed me said shit for reasons and were held accountable. They made cases some of which were silly or convoluted but there were clear tings to focus on and deal with. Now it's super contrived mechanics and irc posting.It's not just you who has to go through everything. There are people who have been sifting through filters. Trying to find scum. But i dont see much complaining from them. I get it. It's a huge game. But what do you expect from 30 something people. I gave my opinion, just like you have given yours. I really hope you become more active though. Is this really what tl is now? /end rant | ||
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bunny claims vanilla town. so bunny is mafia or was targeted by mafia or a blue that hasn't said they visit bunnies (which given what we know they should have) or rito is lying or was messed with and that is regardless of rito's alignment *one of the least helpful town** information roles*** imaginable in a closed setup **but one that is super strong for mafia since it allows them to bluehunt and other team hunt ***presumably the visiting doesn't include rito himself actually yeah how does rito's role make any sense as town? | ||
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On May 26 2014 12:05 geript wrote: The last Greymist game had a town role that gave checks based on what the character was from: eg biblical character, of this world, not of this world, etc. I don't find " touched by magic " to be an impossible town role. Explain that Laya. I don't want to talk about this at night | ||
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if his shot goes through it has to be mafia kp | ||
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show me where it says that and that wouldn't change any of the many reasons geript is a liar | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:01 Steveling wrote: Does that mean we are 4 town less? For fucks sake. multiple factions working like austins would render playing the game totally pointless + Show Spoiler + yay! i guessed they would shoot rito | ||
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in fact: Clues: There are no clues. now cut it out | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:03 Cavalinho wrote: Geript either isn't a vig or got roleblocked again. Time to start asking questions. he said he did't shoot n1 not that he was roleblocked read the game | ||
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That's why every single mafia OP has the line about clues. You are making an assumption about kill flavor and then trying to use that to determine players roles. Are you seriously telling me you don't see the problem with that? | ||
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4 recruiting factions isn't fair | ||
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4 mafia that don't know each other on day1 out of 32 players. we lynched a recruiter and he got replaced | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: It was a pretty good game all in all. I dont necessarily understand the spreadsheet, so not sure who all was scum... And what was with the whole "touched by magic" stuff? riotky's role is actually really cool if someone is touched by maigc it's a bit complicated but anyone that isn't is conrfirmed vanilla town which would make it powerful. On the other hand recruiter mechanics fuck it up, but hey if he announces someone it's likely that multiple factions would target them and cancel out | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:32 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 indeed was the worst offender. What I thought would balance the game was firstly the winconditions of the djinn. Each had to kill one of the other factions and town. But they should be interested in killing the other scumteam first since they also recruit from town. Also the blue roles would have been powerful tools if they would have only been utilized better. Slam spilling the beans on the most important part was just terrible for town the early game is when people play the most and is the best for reads, the longer the game goes on the more peoples commitment dips and the active town all get killed. With so many people changing alignment and the number of scum increasing as the number of town diminishes even with full set-up knowledge this game looks brutal on town. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Judging from your opinions, maybe it is for the best that this game ends in a trainwreck, I do know that the setup was scumfavored. But also considering the speed of the actual recruitments as they happened I thought it would be fine. Also stacking town like mad with vets did not help that much I guess. Maybe more immune blues? The thing is if one of the blues actually stole a djinn from the scumteams, they would have been a massive asset to town. I mean they could have been unlimited vigs, or even protect the entirety of town for 1 KP. I just really wanted to try out the idea of having 4 recruiting factions trying to outsmart each other and hunting each other. Anyway, Lessons learned: Do not try to host another themed large game, I have funny and crazy ideas which just end in imba imba imba. Recruitment roles are a pain in the ass to balance and I should probably stay away from them as far as possible I do hope the game was still enjoyable to most of you. A single recruitment role causes chaos you had 4 that each got a 1 time replacement Large themed games are great though. In my opinion you should have started nuking people trashing the thread. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:55 ritoky wrote: Yeah, i figured as much when you started getting angry, and was gonna rescind. But then other people started having odd reactions to the claim on you, so I was gonna leave it out there until the day phase then rescind. That isn't cool when it's alignment flip, when you claim blue and flip town we would have acted upon you giving correct information. However i still like the idea of a detective that can identify vanilla town that weren't visited | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:54 Tehpoofter wrote: day 2 though he got the pass and people were on him. Everyone gets a pass when there is a red check | ||
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On May 27 2014 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote: For the most part big games don't exist anymore I think. This one was never going to start without Koshi and his mass recruitment. Big PM games are possibly the funnest thing + the arkham setups were so good. It's hilarious that koshi's strategy was all about getting a load of doctors out and then he died n1 | ||
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Although Tamburini could have fooled me. 
