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o wait....like 6 hrs in and 30 pages? oh god....time to start reading. | ||
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i feel like there is a lot of jokes and interactions between people who have played together a lot that went wayyyyy over my head in the first few pages. right now I am having a little bit of trouble organizing my thoughts because there is just a lot of stuff. the two largest things that i noticed are: 1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far. 2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum. I have to do a couple things unexpectedly now and should be back in an hour or so to contribute more, but for now my I will at least leave my top town and scum read. Top town: Meapak Top scum: waveofshadow | ||
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This wasn't directed at me, but I just got back and noticed a decent segue for me to give input on this as well. re Yell0w: To me, his play is very much similar to the last game he played. He bumbles and fumbles with the details sometimes but overall I read his intentions are fairly pure for now. I don't necessarily think that because he contradicted himself that makes him mafia, it could just be bad VT play or forgetting what he said. He even admitted he contradicted himself, which is uncharacteristic of scum imo. Usually scum would be more concerned with keeping their story straight and their ducks in a row so early on. re HF/Steve: I think a lot of that is predicated on reads from previous game experience with eachother, which I don't have with them so I can't say. re Austin: null re Ceph on bunnies: I think it is the most substantive accusation out there right now; that said I don't like all of the substance. I think bunnies has a ton of redeeming qualities and has done quite a bit to drive conversation so far, however as I said previously and as Ceph pointed out she seems very defensive in some posts and concerned with self image which is offputting for me. So for now I have her in a neutral area. re Bunnies on thrawn: I think she is trying to shove a square peg in a circular hole. I think she is pushing a stubborn and conservative player who doesn't like making accusations until there is enough substance to make them into making an accusation before he is comfortable. As of now I like thrawn more than bunnies because he chose deliberately to not force out a read or flimsy accusation and stuck to his guns. However, that comes with an asterisk; that asterisk being that when he does talk, if it comes off as sheepish, parroting, or flimsy; then he is probably scum trying to blend in with the current of votes. And just because someone (can't remember) seemed to think my read on waveofshadow was odd. I would say to you: read his filter. I find that he seems to be asking for a lot of information without giving anything back and either ignoring productive talking or actively avoiding it in a lot of cases. Much of what he says is jokes and non-committal responses. He could just be playing trolly VT during day 1, but I read it as more scummy. | ||
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I liked Meapak's poking of bunnies on very good points. I also like how he called out jampidampi for regarding having people that you would never lynch on day 1. I thought it was an offhand comment that stood out to me when I read the thread and the only person who I noticed who also pinged it was Meapak. | ||
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I have only read about 10 pages from my last post so hopefully by the time I get caught up I will have better material. If you want my thoughts on particular people, then I will do my best to oblige. | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:22 austinmcc wrote: You were asking ritoky to respond to my case, and marv's comment about someone's MZ read was about ritoky. Can you start small then? Go with the people you've played with, pick like...2. Any 2 of your choice. Plox to read them and try to get a feel for them and actually conclude stuff. You got a long way to go, sir. Well I think that in order to really read Yell0w, you have to read BH as well because their early posts are highly related. So I will start with BH, then move on to a couple people I played with before. BH - Town - In the previous game I played, bunnies filled much the same role as BH is filling this game. Now I know he apparently has a thing for RNG lynches, and he thinks it's an even better scenario this game because the percentages are increased due to multiple factions; and you may or may not agree with that. What I liked about his post, was similar to bunnies prodding of yell0w last game. That it was the first real substantial and aggressive stance in the game and he forced people to both respond to and pick sides regarding it. It shows the me that he was aggressively trying to instigate conversation and gauge people's reactions. Yell0w - Town - I think a lot of the hatred toward Yell0w is blowback for being closely associated with BH, and for his...idk...lack of self awareness sometimes? For example he said recently that he still doesn't understand why everyone hates on the RNG lynch so much and how no one told him why his different method of RNG lynch was wrong. To me that reads not as him fishing for how he can curry favor, but how he (like me to some degree) is feeling a high level of confusion. Personally I think that people pushing heavily on him are just going after low hanging fruit and want an easy ML; so that later in the game they can pass it off as an excuse and say "lulz, well he wasn't contributing much and was about that RNG lynch". That said, I think that if either Yell0w or BH flips mafia, then the other is probably the same. Either Yell0w has been pocketed by BH or they are connected in my mind. Sqrt - If I was forced to guess I would say he's leaning scummier? - Sqrt has been ML'd the past two games very early on as town both times for his style of play as town. This style of play is distinctly different than his last game. Whether that's trying to change what wasn't working, him being mafia, or the change in scope of the game; I am not really sure yet as I don't think he has provided anything SUPER alignment indicative yet. Bunnies - No real comment that is different than before. I don't like her as much as I did last game, but I also don't like lynching people with 6 page+ filters on day 1. mtamburini - leaning scum - As town last game he entered the thread disinterested and fakeclaiming vigi right away. He entered this thread obviously much different, which is understandable since you probably can't do that every game. However his long post near the beginning of the thread didn't really do much for me. It was a lot of space for basically not much content. And after that much of what he typed seemed very forced to me. When you're forcing things out rather than simply saying you have no idea when that is the truth, it reads scummy to me. | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:40 austinmcc wrote: So you'll totally sheep me, especially over that poser marv, but you'll sheep me on something you sort of entirely disagree with. What I wrote about him included calling those things no bueno, the ones you seem to like. Also let's talk about this: Specifically:
##vote: Ritoky I think you misread mtam's filter, I was moreso commenting on how I felt his movement back and forth from neutral to scummy, back to neutral was how I was feeling about bunnies. However since then mtam has gotten a lot worse in my mind. | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:58 austinmcc wrote: ritoky can you summarize how you think sqrt played as town, and then what specific changes you see in this game from those? Well, I was one of the people that led the ML on him as town last game. People, including myself, didn't like his play because he was always demanding information from people without giving any back. He also actively avoided and ignored direct questioning on a few occasions. Outside of that he was not particularly giving any definite or strong reads and standing behind them with much reasoning. Or at least that was how I perceived him last game. This game, most of his posts are him saying "this person - town". Then more recently some of his posts have been saying ask me for reasons if you want them, then providing the reasons upon request. Less so digging for information, moreso reacting to information. It still bugs me that he requests to be pinged for reasons instead of just including them with the reads themselves, but it is distinctly different. | ||
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On May 22 2014 18:09 marvellosity wrote: I already did, and you ignored it, and you've been shitting up the thread ever since. Yawn. Overall I like a lot of what you have said so far in the game, but I have one question for you. You are voting on layabout currently. And from my reading of your posts it is for being a shitter who is shitting up the thread. So my question for you is: am I wrong about your reason? Cuz if not, it seems like you should be pushing equally as hard on a lot of other people, geript being one of them. If you're going to use that as your scum detector I feel like it should be applied universally; and it's strange that it isn't. But again, I might have not read your reasoning right. | ||
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On May 22 2014 18:23 marvellosity wrote: yes, you're totally misreading my reasons for lynching layabout. Okay so can you clarify it for me? Cuz your reason says you are sheeping koshi. Koshi's reason says he has bad feels, and is contextualized with stuff about layabout refusing to participate and what he does say is generally thought of by people as useless. I mean, that's different than shitter spam style, but to me that's still a vote based on someone being a shitter. | ||
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On May 22 2014 18:27 marvellosity wrote: Quite a weird question for you to make, ritoky, given I made a largeish post specifically saying how we aren't going to lynch the annoying, loud thread-shitters :/ I think maybe we have different definitions of shitters. I think there can be shitters in a thread who aren't necessarily spammers. Like if shitting was martial arts they would be the lurking shitter hidden dragon. That is how i feel about layabout. | ||
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Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat. @Marv/geript I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time. What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people? | ||
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Regarding bunnies in that interaction...idk could go either way. | ||
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On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote: I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it. This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓ + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote: Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler + For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote: It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow ______ From reading Jampi filter is goes like this: Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact. (interacting with scumread) Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies. (Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees) This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset. Man...maybe me not sleeping much the past couple nights cuz my dog is super sick is killing my reading comprehension cuz I read Jampi as more defensive in regards to bunnies. | ||
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Jampi -> pokes bunnies reading her scummy Bunnies -> responds to jampi Jampi -> wants to see what meapak thinks Meapak -> doesn't like the defensiveness Jampi -> doesn't like meapak, because he liked what bunnies said Maybe I should go to sleep, but it seemed like a very quick prod and flip. | ||
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On May 22 2014 19:10 geript wrote: I'm less feeling ritoky right now. Probly scum. does it mean i have a problem with abusive relationships if i like you more for liking me less baby? | ||
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On May 22 2014 19:18 geript wrote: Mmm dirty. You know how to make a boy feel wanted. You know what they say, ya ain't doin it right if ya can't hear the slapping. | ||
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