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##Vote: Mtamburini
Hi friend! What role you fake claiming this game? Squirttle? Charizard?
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On May 21 2014 06:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:02 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:01 Steveling wrote:
MY GUARDIAN BALLS ARE HEAVY! Based on this, Steveling is scum. Which kind of?
Steveling you feel comfortable or uncomfortable this game?
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On May 21 2014 06:08 Steveling wrote:
Ok, so, joking aside, in this huge setup, what's the best strategy for town to follow?
kill the scummy people.
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On May 21 2014 06:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Is this normal forum play to just vote whoever you want within the first five minutes of the game?
Cause that seems kind of redundant, and stupid.
You're redundant.
Also whats the issue of voting a bunch? Its not majority lynch the lynch matters who is ahead at the END of the day besides its fun. Also there is practical uses like it puts pressure on people to start talking and such.
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On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Is this normal forum play to just vote whoever you want within the first five minutes of the game?
Cause that seems kind of redundant, and stupid.
Sadly, this is very normal for forum play. I agree sadly. On the holyflare thing, if he's scum, why would no one lynch him? I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.
lynch Tamburini with me bunnies so we can have a counter wagon going to holyflare.
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On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is here.
I left my bath for you guys. Was typing a message about being in bath with 1% battery and then my phone died and I had to leave my bath.
I am still hot though. Steamy hot.
Is there a way I can vote you like not to lynch but just for like being hot?
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On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Is this normal forum play to just vote whoever you want within the first five minutes of the game?
Cause that seems kind of redundant, and stupid.
Sadly, this is very normal for forum play. I agree sadly. On the holyflare thing, if he's scum, why would no one lynch him? I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. lynch Tamburini with me bunnies so we can have a counter wagon going to holyflare. Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Tamburini always scum/always bad for town. But sorry, I'm not voting yet. 
Girls can totally vote now. They made it a law back awhile ago. You should exercise your power!
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On May 21 2014 06:26 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today?
OH DEAR GOD NO!
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On May 21 2014 06:33 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:23 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2014 06:12 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare Sold. ##vote: holyflare Lol now I'm honestly debating whether or not to seriously push this. If he's scum nobody's gonna lynch the guy so as much as I'd feel bad not letting him play, mebbe somebody shoot him or something just to remove all doubt?  I understand where the bolded logic comes from, in a normal game he wouldn't be lynched right away because scum wouldn't hop on the wagon. However in this game the same rules don't apply since there are more factions. I think it's very possible to see zero opposition wagons happen on scum. That actually adds a pretty interesting element to the game. Connection speculation is less useful - or more precisely said more complicated. I agree that's it's gonna be more complicated which is why I'd rather not use it as a heuristic for a D1 lynch, after we see a few flips we can start speculating again but right now I think it's more distracting than useful and we should focus on simple behavior based scum hunting. Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc. Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense? For example, in a normal game it would be suspicious if everyone's votes just piled on one wagon. It's unlikely that he would be scum. With multiple factions things like that aren't as clear.
Just cause multiple factions doesn't mean scum still won't hop on a wagon. Anyone pushing this logic is silly. They may be less likely but still likely to do so their win con is still to lynch non-scum so they will gladly lynch any faction... Pushing this further is scummy.
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On May 21 2014 06:35 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:32 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:26 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today? OH DEAR GOD NO! With as often as you roll scum I may just have to policy shoot you. Or maybe I'll just shoot bunnies once she calls you a role. I haven't really decided quite yet. I'm just fucking stoked.
I actually roll town more on forums it sucks cause I want to work on my scum play its pretty bad currently on the forum side of things.
I agree on being stoked I wish I had a gun it would be fun. I had one last game but it was way too stressful.
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On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?
I think BH is implying there is more non-town factions thus more chances to hit non-town. BUT not all non-town are necessarily anti-town so I think your random lynch idea is still bad. And if the game was broken by random lynch it wouldn't be much of a game.  Math is fun and all but I'm here to read! Pointing this out makes you more towny mr. jamp
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On May 21 2014 06:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:29 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Is this normal forum play to just vote whoever you want within the first five minutes of the game?
Cause that seems kind of redundant, and stupid.
Sadly, this is very normal for forum play. I agree sadly. On the holyflare thing, if he's scum, why would no one lynch him? I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. lynch Tamburini with me bunnies so we can have a counter wagon going to holyflare. Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Tamburini always scum/always bad for town. But sorry, I'm not voting yet. Girls can totally vote now. They made it a law back awhile ago. You should exercise your power! Omg it's a law?! I totally didn't know this. I like to make educated guesses and decisions before I vote. Cool, calm, calculated. Do I have to worry about you being mafia here?
You should always be worried about someone's alignment unless you know what it is. I'd be worried if you weren't worried. + Show Spoiler + However I'm town this game.
On May 21 2014 06:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:33 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:23 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2014 06:12 Steveling wrote:
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Sold.
##vote: holyflare Lol now I'm honestly debating whether or not to seriously push this. If he's scum nobody's gonna lynch the guy so as much as I'd feel bad not letting him play, mebbe somebody shoot him or something just to remove all doubt? I understand where the bolded logic comes from, in a normal game he wouldn't be lynched right away because scum wouldn't hop on the wagon. However in this game the same rules don't apply since there are more factions. I think it's very possible to see zero opposition wagons happen on scum. That actually adds a pretty interesting element to the game. Connection speculation is less useful - or more precisely said more complicated. I agree that's it's gonna be more complicated which is why I'd rather not use it as a heuristic for a D1 lynch, after we see a few flips we can start speculating again but right now I think it's more distracting than useful and we should focus on simple behavior based scum hunting. Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc. Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense? For example, in a normal game it would be suspicious if everyone's votes just piled on one wagon. It's unlikely that he would be scum. With multiple factions things like that aren't as clear. Just cause multiple factions doesn't mean scum still won't hop on a wagon. Anyone pushing this logic is silly. They may be less likely but still likely to do so their win con is still to lynch non-scum so they will gladly lynch any faction... Pushing this further is scummy. Of course there will be scum on almost any wagon. It's just that connection speculation (bussing, speed of wagons forming, etc.) are a bit less reliable than they usually are. It should be more useful to focus on individual scumminess for now.
Of fair enough I understood it to mean a giant wagon doesn't mean instantly town... reading is hard though. I agree connections won't be nearly as easy to make off early wagons. I like this follow up from you.
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On May 21 2014 06:48 Steveling wrote:
I will now call upon my previous town game where I was the only player to vote for scum the entire game, lmao, and I played like I didn't give a fuck, like I will do in this game.
So, for everyone who has ever played with me, you should know that I'm town as town can possibly town.
Just don't give up if someone (read: Some donkey name tehpoofter) finds you suspicious as town please!
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On May 21 2014 06:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. WoS probably town, that whiny thing about the VT thing looked legit. Just because he does it each time. Steveling also town. gutread. Poofter dnu. Your Master has spoken his first words of Wisdom.
Whats "dnu" stand for?
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On May 21 2014 07:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:01 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:54 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: Xatalos AND SO IT BEGINS. Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds? ##Vote: Xatalos I don't know. All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now. What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again. I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear. It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time. Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear. I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^
Can you tell us more about your meta so we can read you correctly?
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On May 21 2014 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 07:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:01 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:54 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: Xatalos AND SO IT BEGINS. Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds? ##Vote: Xatalos I don't know. All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now. What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again. I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear. It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time. Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear. I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^ Can you tell us more about your meta so we can read you correctly? Plz tell me this was sarcasmShow nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On May 21 2014 07:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@thrawn: plz tell me you're trying to be lynch bait as part of a plan to catch the people who go after you.
nope. you guys just cant handle my brutal honesty anyways i'm probably going to dick around for a bit and start playing more seriously once the game gets going, similar to last game. Just what I expected sadly. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:13 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 07:10 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:07 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 07:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:01 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:54 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote:
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AND SO IT BEGINS.
Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds?
##Vote: Xatalos I don't know. All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now. What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again. I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear. It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time. Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear. I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^ Specify "bollocks". Nobody else seems to agree with that definition of my posts (at least I don't think so). I've seen you start the game with a half-assed vote several times as scum. When you've been town, you're usually even overly passive/cautious to begin with. That's what I don't like here. Find me someone who will vouch for your series of posts on voting patterns and crap deciding the Day 1 lynch actually being useful, and maybe we can talk again. Toddle along now ^_^ MZ and Tehpoofter I think mentioned that they liked what I said on the topic. Not that it was something über-useful, but definitely not "bollocks". Lol While I may have agreed with you xata, my post on the subject was actually trying to get people to drop it so it wouldn’t clutter the thread. Of course then people went and made it a thing -_-
The part about reading him correctly was sarcasm but he is offering up his own meta to defend himself which is frankly silly. Maybe if it was something someone else brought up then commenting on it would be good but just makes me roll my eyes this early in the game when someone says things like that.
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On May 21 2014 07:34 Steveling wrote:100% what I was expecting. Just like last game his throwing his mafia weight against mine, knowing that people will follow him obviously.
this should be a fun fight. So what is your read on HF that he is mafia? Can you share it with the class? because the start of this game and the start of last game are completely different in terms of his play. Use quotes and shit. If he is 100% lock mafia that shouldn't be hard cause he clearly left behind a paper trail right?
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On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes? As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then! Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. I was going to yell at you for the RNG nonsense but then I realized that you're right and even if you're scum, your plan has a decent chance of hitting other scum. HOWEVER, this is my first game in forever so fuck yo RNG, I'm gonna choose my vote the old fashioned way. Or Instead of the old fashioned homeopathic non-vaccinated way, you could use your vote in the scientifically correct way and vote OdinofPergo! Vaccines cause autism tho /s seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"? Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does. Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results 1) it will be legendary 2 ) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2
What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.
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