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On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: So here's where I am at.
I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions?
No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good.
So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking.
I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more.
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On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I like you Steve. Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. I haz a new bestie.
Hah, jokes on you HF!
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On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: So here's where I am at.
I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. To be clear, you were annouyed at me when you wrote this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=19#366 right?
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Now guys, pay close attention to HF's next posts.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
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In fact, my meta argument wasn't solid. I could find both a town & scum game by marv where he starts the game similarly. Here's the first vote by scum-marv in Themed Game Mafia:
On February 14 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 05:09 gonzaw wrote:On February 14 2013 05:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 14 2013 04:57 gonzaw wrote: Kay im back
I would like to kill randombum today. Stuff he posted seemed too "neutral" and shit, specially that "wall of text" about BH.
Other than that maybe kill BH, he's being his usual trolly scum self, specially with that bad case on Oats. I know you usually to be a gentleman of many words; the Captain of Debates (Cods). Yet your discourse thus far has been sadly limited, one might say you have given up your place and become the Captain of Rare Pronouncements (Carps). Is the gentleman not amiable to great discourse with his colleagues? I skimmed the game and those are my first impressions. Everything else is null and some pointless discussions. marv, is this thing of yours a post restriction or are you doing it intentionally? Truly this does not sound like the same gentleman excited to enter this establishment; the excitement is gone. What happened at the door, I wonder? ##Vote: gonzaw
Here's the first vote by town-marv in Les Mafia:
On May 18 2013 03:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:25 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:07 iamperfection wrote: alright im off to the gym you guys are boring me and bh is making me angry.
back in a few hours how am i making you angry when you're the one shitting up the thread How is he doing that, dear? flaming Looks like typical iamp aggression to me, wouldn't you say? nope Explain the difference then. I'm bored of how you're posting. ##Vote: BlazingHand
All in all, it seems like this opening is more nullish than scummy by marv.
marv, a question: When we last played together (town&town in the PYP game), and I played somewhat anti-town and scummy in the beginning, you hesitated to vote for me even though rayn was pushing for me to be lynched. Why this change of heart?
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Blazinghand
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On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote: Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?
As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.
2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.
That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?
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Maybe tomorrow Steve. Maybe tomorrow.
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On May 21 2014 07:31 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: So here's where I am at.
I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. To be clear, you were annouyed at me when you wrote this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=19#366right?
Nah, not annoyed at all. Sorry if it came off that way. I meant it more in a joking manner.
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On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
100% what I was expecting. Just like last game his throwing his mafia weight against mine, knowing that people will follow him obviously.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 21 2014 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote: Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. I was going to yell at you for the RNG nonsense but then I realized that you're right and even if you're scum, your plan has a decent chance of hitting other scum. HOWEVER, this is my first game in forever so fuck yo RNG, I'm gonna choose my vote the old fashioned way. Or Instead of the old fashioned homeopathic non-vaccinated way, you could use your vote in the scientifically correct way and vote OdinofPergo! Vaccines cause autism tho /s
seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"?
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)
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you know HF, OMGUS never looks good no matter what the situation.
Now where the fuck is Kita, I asked him a question and he never came back to the thread.
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So far: Marv-- has done nothing for my peepee. Usually as town he either makes it hard because he's obviously town or I think he's obviously mafia. Considering a shot. His push on Xat is pretty awful to, like there's little reason to expect Xat to flip scum on that basis.
Bunnies--I have a decent read on her in video. She's not done anything that makes me think she's town. She's also refusing to try to correctly read Banks as anything. That's really weird and her last post was awful.
Austin--he has yet to intercede to ABBA on behalf of my shot. That's pretty clearly mafia aligned. I'm very tempted to shoot him but he promised me cuddles and to carry me over the finish line.
Kush--probably town unfortunately.
Koshi--possibly town but I expected a more fun/playful response to my "are you naked" question. That's odd to me.
Wave--I'm soul reading my wubbybumpkins town.
Steveling--maybe town. Idk I think he's decentish as scum but he doesn't really strike me as the active chipper I want to do stuff type.
HF--hasn't commented on how he's the best ever and that we should policy lynch me before I get to shoot. Like that's pretty odd if he's town I would've expected some actual dickwaging in this trolling phase.
BH-- nothing he's done makes me think he's a good player. I thought he was awful last game and he was mafia. Same vibes here. He just looks like he's trash to be disposed of.
So I'm probably shooting within my scum pool tonight if you all don't sheep me. I'd much rather get info from a good lynch first though.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
geript it's not my fault you're a much worse player than me. Jeez.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes?
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On May 21 2014 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 07:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:01 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:54 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:46 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Xatalos AND SO IT BEGINS. Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds? ##Vote: Xatalos I don't know. All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now. What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again. I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear. It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time. Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear. I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^ Can you tell us more about your meta so we can read you correctly? Plz tell me this was sarcasmShow nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On May 21 2014 07:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @thrawn: plz tell me you're trying to be lynch bait as part of a plan to catch the people who go after you.
nope. you guys just cant handle my brutal honesty anyways i'm probably going to dick around for a bit and start playing more seriously once the game gets going, similar to last game. Just what I expected sadly. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:13 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 07:10 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:07 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 07:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:01 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:54 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote: [quote] AND SO IT BEGINS.
Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds?
##Vote: Xatalos I don't know. All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now. What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again. I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear. It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time. Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear. I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^ Specify "bollocks". Nobody else seems to agree with that definition of my posts (at least I don't think so). I've seen you start the game with a half-assed vote several times as scum. When you've been town, you're usually even overly passive/cautious to begin with. That's what I don't like here. Find me someone who will vouch for your series of posts on voting patterns and crap deciding the Day 1 lynch actually being useful, and maybe we can talk again. Toddle along now ^_^ MZ and Tehpoofter I think mentioned that they liked what I said on the topic. Not that it was something über-useful, but definitely not "bollocks". Lol While I may have agreed with you xata, my post on the subject was actually trying to get people to drop it so it wouldn’t clutter the thread. Of course then people went and made it a thing -_-
The part about reading him correctly was sarcasm but he is offering up his own meta to defend himself which is frankly silly. Maybe if it was something someone else brought up then commenting on it would be good but just makes me roll my eyes this early in the game when someone says things like that.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
If anyone is a dayvig or something and shoots geript in the next hour, I'll vote whoever they want today
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: If anyone is a dayvig or something and shoots geript in the next hour, I'll vote whoever they want today
note, certain terms and conditions apply
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes? As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p
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