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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 21 2014 18:34 GMT
#1392
I think it's not anyhow scummy to forget that you claimed a role. Scum would be more likely self-conscious about their claims and such.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 21 2014 18:37 GMT
#1397
On May 22 2014 03:33 geript wrote:
His filter as mafia is quite often useless spam. Explain more Xat.


He was pretty useless and spammy here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438132-tl-mafia-lxiv-a-game-of-intrigue?user=Blazinghand (In the end he even got himself and two other players modkilled lol)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 21 2014 18:40 GMT
#1401
On May 22 2014 03:36 Blazinghand wrote:
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On May 22 2014 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's not anyhow scummy to forget that you claimed a role. Scum would be more likely self-conscious about their claims and such.


I get what you're saying here, but it goes a little farther than that. Scum would definitely be more "on it" about what role they claimed, but this is a bit more subtle. See, Geript said "let's lynch all the blue claims, starting with BH". As scum fakeclaiming blue, this is something you could easily forget/overlook, because you subconsciously do not categorize yourself as a blue, see? But a real blue would in fact subconsciously selfcategorize as blue.

This all of course is scumslip heuristics, which are historically terrible for actually lynching scum. I'd be fine to watch Geript die just because his death would bring me pleasure, but let's give him a day anyways. If he's actually a town vigi we should give him a chance to shoot his gun.


Well, I don't really think this counts as a reason to lynch someone In the first place I don't think he even seriously claimed Vig earlier.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 14:16 GMT
#2247
Holy crap. There's like 40 more pages after I was here last time.

Apparently mtamburini is still missing, but I've been rethinking about him. Actually his reads aren't that vague when you look more closely. He even has clear opinions on a lot of stuff. Posts like these look good for him:

On May 21 2014 12:58 mtamburini wrote:
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On May 21 2014 12:13 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:09 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
holyflare I need you to clear something up for me

sup


are you town?


ya

3 minutes to say 'ya'.
I don't like it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare


From the way many people have told me to read HF, hes prob town he seems disappointed and not having fun. I hear he enjoys being mafia 100x more than he is town.



Then there's his earlier post with the vague/hesitant reads:

On May 21 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:
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On May 21 2014 11:05 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 10:16 mtamburini wrote:
cool im town read see you final 3 mafia remember I got the hammer.


Your stream of conscious post was super long please make shorter posts. So what do you think of Hf/Steve/Marv/geript some of the others seems like you just focused on people you know/have played with for the most part. I don't agree with your MZ read btw. I felt BKQ, Velanius and layabout were way scummier today.



I read 200 posts and felt like quoting things I thought were worth mentioning. Hf I wanna know if hes having fun yet and thinks hes going to be the best or not the best this game.

Geript I am not convinced 100% he is town but maybe a non threatening faction to town. Never played forum with him but I know in video he lurks a lot more, but he claims he has a gun so I can see the eagerness to get shit done now.

If steve is the guy going against HF he is in my bad boy list and would lynch today.

I need to read marvs filter before I can give an opinion.

Why do you no agree with MZ, what have you seen differently through your eyes?

BKQ? Not sure if that is a short form will look in filter.
Velanius was the person who made the heart post right? I agree that was weird, if hes not that person that person is also weird.

Layabout would also be on the table for me that strikethrough bs vote on BH was like why the hell would u ever even post something like that. If that wasnt in my giant post it should be that was weird as fuck.



On second thoughts, it reads more like a stream of consciousness type post than a filler/fake post. He has a pretty clear townread on geript and suspects layabout (and Steveling I guess). Most importantly it feels like he's just posting whatever comes to his mind and doesn't "force" the reads. It also looks like the post was made pretty quickly and I think scum would be more careful with manufacturing their reads. I at least always double-check what I'm posting as scum. Not sure if that's the case with him, but I feel like it's overall towny to express your thoughts more freely.

All in all, I don't think mtamburini is a good lynch after all. I'd much prefer if we lynched jampidampi.

jampidampi has a decent amount of posts, but they're pretty much all filler questions/comments without any real conclusions OR agreeing with thread sentiment on the easiest possible (mis)lynch targets. His "case" on mtamburini is just that "he hasn't said anything that hasn't already been said". I don't think that's even true (did anyone else mention HF enjoying playing as scum more for example?) and in any case it's a very weak/lazy reason to cast your vote. Especially since the tone of his vote post is like the vote would be final or at least "good enough":

On May 22 2014 22:36 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 22 2014 22:01 layabout wrote:
On May 22 2014 21:56 jampidampi wrote:
On May 22 2014 21:52 Yell0w wrote:
On May 22 2014 21:48 jampidampi wrote:
Yell0w, what do you think about layabout?


Oh, I definitely disagree with you, I thought he seemed genuine when I first read it and again when you reposted it, it's actually a reaction I could see myself having if something like that happened to me. So I don't think that makes him scum at all.

But I can't seem to find a reason why became angry between those posts. From the post it seems that he got angry because more people were jumping onto him, but that didn't hapen in that timeframe, so I'm confused as to why he wasn't angry in the first post.

It was because i (re?)read more of the thread between them, i can't remember if i had fully caught up with the first one

what do you think about ritoky?

Well if you had only read the thread up to Marvs vote on you when you posted the first post, I can definetely see you getting angry over people hopping onto you or saying they would look into you more. Hmm... That actually makes me think you're town based on how you seemed to still be angry in your ritoky case. Which seems like an emotional backlash, but it has good points in it. Could lynch him, but I think I'd rather see tamburinis head roll.

##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini


In addition he has a ton of posts where he says "could lynch player X" without providing much, if any, reasoning. It looks like his primary goal in the game is growing his filter with meaningless posts or growing the list of players he could throw a vote on. He's most likely scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: jampidampi
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 14:43 GMT
#2255
On May 22 2014 23:19 Holyflare wrote:
Xatalos what do you make of tamburini playing video mafia and purposefully afking?


Didn't someone say that he didn't participate in this latest video mafia and that he'll be participating in the next one? Dunno. I don't think being AFK is inherently scummy. I also came to check the thread last night before going to sleep and saw that there were like 15+ new pages so I just went to sleep instead :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 14:48 GMT
#2256
I actually forgot about WoS being in the game. He really hasn't made any impact so far. Potential scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 14:53 GMT
#2266
On May 22 2014 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 22 2014 23:43 Xatalos wrote:
On May 22 2014 23:19 Holyflare wrote:
Xatalos what do you make of tamburini playing video mafia and purposefully afking?


Didn't someone say that he didn't participate in this latest video mafia and that he'll be participating in the next one? Dunno. I don't think being AFK is inherently scummy. I also came to check the thread last night before going to sleep and saw that there were like 15+ new pages so I just went to sleep instead :D


There's like 5 games of video mafia a night dude. He's the main lynch choice and he hasn't said a word since pressure started building.


So he's been playing video mafia during his AFK period..? I still don't think that makes him scum. Could be just otherwise too busy while just having the time to play some video mafia. I guess it makes him more likely scum though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 14:57 GMT
#2270
It's weird that he doesn't bother to post anything while having the most votes, yeah..... And since he's been around too..... Dunno. Maybe he's just scum. I still feel like jampidampi would flip scum more likely.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 14:58 GMT
#2273
On May 22 2014 23:55 bkqyrldp wrote:
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On May 22 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
yes, I rather think Xatalos, if you had a bunch of votes on you, you'd have been rather more inclined to post something than go straight to bed, no? ^^

So it doesn't concern at all how easily this lynch is going? Usually you have been very vary of lack of resistance. If he is mafia, do you think his teammates have been yelling at him to post more and he has just chosen to ignore the requests?


There *is* the fact that this isn't a normal game. Multiple factions means that lack of resistance is less of a factor than normally.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 15:00 GMT
#2274
On May 22 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
yes, I rather think Xatalos, if you had a bunch of votes on you, you'd have been rather more inclined to post something than go straight to bed, no? ^^


Haha, yep.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 15:32 GMT
#2283
On May 23 2014 00:01 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 22 2014 23:57 Xatalos wrote:
It's weird that he doesn't bother to post anything while having the most votes, yeah..... And since he's been around too..... Dunno. Maybe he's just scum. I still feel like jampidampi would flip scum more likely.

You do know that your case on me mostly shows your lack reading comprehension?


I guess you refer to the fact that I misread your "case" on mtamburini. It's not an anyhow major part of why I think you're scum, and it carries the same point of you just following thread sentiment anyway. How is that "mostly"?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 15:49 GMT
#2288
On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!


Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:08 GMT
#2301
On May 23 2014 00:51 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 23 2014 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
On May 23 2014 00:01 jampidampi wrote:
On May 22 2014 23:57 Xatalos wrote:
It's weird that he doesn't bother to post anything while having the most votes, yeah..... And since he's been around too..... Dunno. Maybe he's just scum. I still feel like jampidampi would flip scum more likely.

You do know that your case on me mostly shows your lack reading comprehension?


I guess you refer to the fact that I misread your "case" on mtamburini. It's not an anyhow major part of why I think you're scum, and it carries the same point of you just following thread sentiment anyway. How is that "mostly"?

You still don't get it?

Others have already shown how I played early, so I'll just quote one of them:
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On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote:
On May 22 2014 18:46 ritoky wrote:
but if you post 10x in a thread and all of it is shit, that's a 100% shit rate, which makes you a shitter in my mind at least. guess it's more of a % useful material thing for me.

Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat.

@Marv/geript

I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time.

What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people?


I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it.

This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess?

ehhhh
I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight.

Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here:

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On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:

--

It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.

You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be?


I may have my eye on a few people.

From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town.

I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia.

Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post.


If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.

But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.

If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.

So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk.

She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post?

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For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash.

On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess?

ehhhh
I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight.

Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here:

On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:

--

It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.

You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be?


I may have my eye on a few people.

From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town.

I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia.

Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post.


If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.

But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.

If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.

So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk.

She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post?

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For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash.

I agree that she made a terrible post there, my "unguarded" comment did not specifically relate to any one post in particular and more to her style of posting over all. My personal concern with her is actually her sudden clearing of me after I lightly defended her. It's waaaay too early in the game to say you won't lynch someone, even if you qualify it with D1.

It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum.

It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow

______

From reading Jampi filter is goes like this:
Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact.
(interacting with scumread)
Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies.
(Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees)

This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset.

Showing how I come to conclusions. Thus there are no filler questions without conclusions. If you refering to my entrance to the thread, then I wonder how you missed my conclusion that you were scum.

Do I need to go on?


You seriously read me as scum? >.> Even now? Surely it's not based on those early troll posts...?

Hm, actually there's a bit more content in your filter than I noticed earlier. You even did come to conclusions based on some of your questions. There are some meaningless questions in between, but I can see some of them being more town-aligned.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:11 GMT
#2304
Hmm...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:12 GMT
#2306
On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:
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On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:
On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!


Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads.


Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part.

My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on.

Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts.

There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post.

At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post.

Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case.

With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction)



I don't think your lynch is set yet at all. Just try to read the thread and share your thoughts. It'll be good for us even if you end up being lynched.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:20 GMT
#2322
Hm, not confident in WoS being Mafia either. He does at least take a lot of stances (even unnecessarily so, it seems like). Could be just somewhat lazy town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:21 GMT
#2324
Not confident in any of mtamburini/jampidampi/WoS right now. Surely there must be a better lynch out there.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:24 GMT
#2326
A part of me wants to lynch marv, but I really doubt that would be a good idea on D1. He'll probably be more helpful as scum than many actual townies will ever be
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:42 GMT
#2347
On May 23 2014 01:35 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 23 2014 01:08 Xatalos wrote:
On May 23 2014 00:51 jampidampi wrote:
On May 23 2014 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
On May 23 2014 00:01 jampidampi wrote:
On May 22 2014 23:57 Xatalos wrote:
It's weird that he doesn't bother to post anything while having the most votes, yeah..... And since he's been around too..... Dunno. Maybe he's just scum. I still feel like jampidampi would flip scum more likely.

You do know that your case on me mostly shows your lack reading comprehension?


I guess you refer to the fact that I misread your "case" on mtamburini. It's not an anyhow major part of why I think you're scum, and it carries the same point of you just following thread sentiment anyway. How is that "mostly"?

You still don't get it?

Others have already shown how I played early, so I'll just quote one of them:
On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote:
On May 22 2014 18:46 ritoky wrote:
but if you post 10x in a thread and all of it is shit, that's a 100% shit rate, which makes you a shitter in my mind at least. guess it's more of a % useful material thing for me.

Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat.

@Marv/geript

I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time.

What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people?


I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it.

This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓
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On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess?

ehhhh
I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight.

Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here:

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On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:

--

It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.

You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be?


I may have my eye on a few people.

From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town.

I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia.

Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post.


If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.

But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.

If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.

So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk.

She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post?

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For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash.

On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess?

ehhhh
I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight.

Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here:

On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:

--

It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.

You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be?


I may have my eye on a few people.

From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town.

I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia.

Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post.


If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.

But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.

If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.

So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk.

She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post?

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For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash.

I agree that she made a terrible post there, my "unguarded" comment did not specifically relate to any one post in particular and more to her style of posting over all. My personal concern with her is actually her sudden clearing of me after I lightly defended her. It's waaaay too early in the game to say you won't lynch someone, even if you qualify it with D1.

It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum.

It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow

______

From reading Jampi filter is goes like this:
Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact.
(interacting with scumread)
Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies.
(Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees)

This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset.

Showing how I come to conclusions. Thus there are no filler questions without conclusions. If you refering to my entrance to the thread, then I wonder how you missed my conclusion that you were scum.

Do I need to go on?


You seriously read me as scum? >.> Even now? Surely it's not based on those early troll posts...?

Hm, actually there's a bit more content in your filter than I noticed earlier. You even did come to conclusions based on some of your questions. There are some meaningless questions in between, but I can see some of them being more town-aligned.

No, I don't currently think you're scum, but the case certainly didn't help with that. Though it was a semi-serious read, you have displayed some decent thoughts, like trying to figure Marv out.


Hm. Ok.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 16:52 GMT
#2355
On May 22 2014 21:57 Yell0w wrote:
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On May 22 2014 21:52 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote:
I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay.


On May 22 2014 13:51 BlueyD wrote:
##vote mtamburini

Don't think Yellow is replying to me tonight so I'll just have to put my vote on who I think is the strongest case now.


##Vote BlueyD


I don't think that makes him scum, I think there was a clear progression in his filter from the case his bad, to the case is good after more points where made, to voting for tamburini.


I think Yell0w is probably town for this post.
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