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Thanks for the (late) help, I guess.
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Smurfing != having played with every TL Mafia player
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I guess it's unlikely. Still, it could be that he hasn't played with you in a long time or something. Why else would he mistype your name even.... And even if his accusation on you was weak, so was yours on him (and on me for that matter). Making a weak accusation doesn't yet make scum. I sometimes start the game with a weak accusation just to get things going.
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On May 21 2014 20:51 marvellosity wrote:he admitted he was a smurf? are you even reading? when do newbies smurf? I'm not speaking to you anymore, Xatalos, because you've basically shown that you're not capable of reading the thread and digesting it in any way.Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 17:40 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 17:28 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 17:24 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 17:17 geript wrote:
Valenus I'm not quite seeing as mafia. Like there's a bit of seeming honesty and levity in his posting that I find a bit towny. Like I get why Hapa thinks he could be an ok lynch but he feels more like a "fun Fred" gamer instead of a "competitive Carl" gamer. It's not a real solid read but I'm looking elsewhere for D1 unless something more specific pops up. This is my perspective on him as well. His posts do not read like someone feigning contributions, just someone casually posting because he felt like. Holyflare's reason for considering him town is also the type of weak evidence that I find compelling early on. You mind telling us who you are? Like you're obviously a smurf of some kind. I'm not going to, because it not only invalidates the purpose of signing up as a smurf, but it feels also feels cheap to reveal your identity based on your alignment. That is, players are more likely to do that as town than as mafia.
Ok >.> That was kind of out of place though considering that I had just read through your posts on brsjskfjdskjsd after initially forgetting the point of your accusation (which tbh wasn't all that great).
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Not sure what to think about Yell0w yet. He's oddly focused on the RNG stuff and not much else. He did point out that Slam was scummy for doing what he does as town. I kind of get what he's getting at there (doing something according to your town meta after being pressured about your meta), still it's WIFOM and not really a good basis for thinking that Slam is scum.
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On May 21 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:
wow Xatalos. Pls ignore everything I say.
Not sure what you're specifically referring to, but sorry I guess. You're just kind of under my radar considering that I fail at reading you.
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I kind of like Cephiro's point on ninjabunnies - about how ninjabunnies doesn't apparently consider the possibility of Cephiro being scum when Cephiro pushes him:
"If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me.
The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted."
It's a bit of a weird thing. Is it even a scumslip? Hard to say. Probably not. Still something that bothers me a bit.
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On May 21 2014 21:57 Tehpoofter wrote:@Marv can you explain a bit more about what you think on Thrawn? I have a hard time reading his normally small fitler. @Everyone Can we agree to call the scummy smurf BKQ (the first three letters of his vomit of a name) just for consitancy. @Koshi what is your read on Ceph/bunnies involving the case he had on her earlier? @Xat you said his points were directed at scum hunting. Can you look at his first post here + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote:Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions. Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now. The other person is meapak_ziph. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?
Guess I might as well read the op then.
Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play... He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave. What's up Marv, steve, MZ? and its time in the thread? Like at face value its a good post BUT marv answers his question literally a minute later and he is gone for hours... I don't think he even readdressed these reads later. He's not follow up on them probably because he didn't care about the answers. Also what do you think of Yellow? + Show Spoiler +Marv and Koshi both saying I'm town/sheep worthy. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 19:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Going to throw out some of my reads so far this game I'd like to see where others stand as well. Town Hero: TehpoofterTownies: Hapa, BlueyD, HF, Steve, Bunnies, GeriptScum: Yellow, BKQ, Valenius, layaboutPeople Geript Should shoot: Slam People Geript Shouldn't shoot: MarvelloCity 3rd Parties: Crazy MAn who wins by screaming and passing out the most fliers to his RNG party: Blazinghand Lazy People that need to do more: Marv, Koshi + Show Spoiler +Also Austin if there is an ABBA cult I would like to submit an application regardless of how its aligned I will fight for ABBA. I'm tempted to just sheep this guy until I'm more sure Hapa is town. Poofter most certainly is not "classical" mafia this game and all his reads look pretty sensible. And I'll let him off with my name because he's clearly just trolling me, which is mildly acceptable in this case. On May 21 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote:I think Poofter is the towniest town in this game. 4 page filter. Natural conversation. Pushing things forward. Jokes. 4 page filter Also this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Going to throw out some of my reads so far this game I'd like to see where others stand as well. Town Hero: TehpoofterTownies: Hapa, BlueyD, HF, Steve, Bunnies, GeriptScum: Yellow, BKQ, Valenius, layaboutPeople Geript Should shoot: Slam People Geript Shouldn't shoot: MarvelloCity 3rd Parties: Crazy MAn who wins by screaming and passing out the most fliers to his RNG party: Blazinghand Lazy People that need to do more: Marv, Koshi + Show Spoiler +Also Austin if there is an ABBA cult I would like to submit an application regardless of how its aligned I will fight for ABBA. It is everything good combined. Good reads because I don't bluntly disagree with any of them. Jokes. Pro town stuff. Cav on the other hand. He is so tense this game. And his read on Steve is so boring. He entered the thread too assertive. Then he was angry at Cephiro. Ten meta townreaded Holyflare because another game he did the same. Then he tunneled Steve, but it might have started with asking thread permission. Why did I have to be town this game like my pockets would be full!
Hm. That first post was somewhat weak, yeah. He did follow up on it (although only reactively) a lot later on though:
On May 21 2014 18:44 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote:
So what did you skim and find suspicious? The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments. It was just an answer to a question. The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia. I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask.
What I liked about his filter were posts like these (taking stances and analyzing the game):
On May 21 2014 17:24 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 17:17 geript wrote:
Valenus I'm not quite seeing as mafia. Like there's a bit of seeming honesty and levity in his posting that I find a bit towny. Like I get why Hapa thinks he could be an ok lynch but he feels more like a "fun Fred" gamer instead of a "competitive Carl" gamer. It's not a real solid read but I'm looking elsewhere for D1 unless something more specific pops up. This is my perspective on him as well. His posts do not read like someone feigning contributions, just someone casually posting because he felt like. Holyflare's reason for considering him town is also the type of weak evidence that I find compelling early on.
Now that I think about it, that's the only post I really like from him.
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Dunno. He's pretty null for me atm.
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On May 21 2014 22:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 22:07 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:
wow Xatalos. Pls ignore everything I say. Not sure what you're specifically referring to, but sorry I guess. You're just kind of under my radar considering that I fail at reading you. Just interact with me. Make me feel special.
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(Could the votes be in order of most votes btw? Would just make it a bit easier to look at the situation. If that's not too much to ask.)
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On May 21 2014 22:33 Koshi wrote:
acceptable start.
Oh, your vote is still one me. Any particular reason?
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On May 22 2014 00:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Xat: Just look at his filter. He's town.
I'm happy that you feel this way, but this isn't very specific. How exactly am I obvtown?
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BH: I'd prefer to hear your reads rather than a roleclaim?
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On May 22 2014 02:53 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 02:46 Xatalos wrote:On May 22 2014 00:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Xat: Just look at his filter. He's town. I'm happy that you feel this way, but this isn't very specific. How exactly am I obvtown? These are great indicators: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:44 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:33 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:23 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:[quote] Lol now I'm honestly debating whether or not to seriously push this. If he's scum nobody's gonna lynch the guy so as much as I'd feel bad not letting him play, mebbe somebody shoot him or something just to remove all doubt?  I understand where the bolded logic comes from, in a normal game he wouldn't be lynched right away because scum wouldn't hop on the wagon. However in this game the same rules don't apply since there are more factions. I think it's very possible to see zero opposition wagons happen on scum. That actually adds a pretty interesting element to the game. Connection speculation is less useful - or more precisely said more complicated. I agree that's it's gonna be more complicated which is why I'd rather not use it as a heuristic for a D1 lynch, after we see a few flips we can start speculating again but right now I think it's more distracting than useful and we should focus on simple behavior based scum hunting. Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc. Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense? For example, in a normal game it would be suspicious if everyone's votes just piled on one wagon. It's unlikely that he would be scum. With multiple factions things like that aren't as clear. Just cause multiple factions doesn't mean scum still won't hop on a wagon. Anyone pushing this logic is silly. They may be less likely but still likely to do so their win con is still to lynch non-scum so they will gladly lynch any faction... Pushing this further is scummy. Of course there will be scum on almost any wagon. It's just that connection speculation (bussing, speed of wagons forming, etc.) are a bit less reliable than they usually are. It should be more useful to focus on individual scumminess for now. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 11:34 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 11:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 10:57 geript wrote:
@Snooglewoogle. I need the blessings of ABBA to shoot Marv. Please make the appropriate sacrifices. Do you actually think Marv is scum or you just doing it cause he disagrees with you on slam? If you think scum is Slam and you shoot marv because you think hes cockblocking the lynch on slam that would be the most asinine play ever. Shoot who you think is lock scum lets find someone else scummy. What do you think of BKQ/Velanius/layabout? Marv I don't think would cockblock on a null read like this if he were town. More likely he'd ignore me and let me develop it. Not a 100% on that but his push on Xat early was for pretty awful reasoning. Like if Marv were town and has that "it's enough for now" line, he'd be far more willing to entertain a good outside lynch. Plus, he has done nothing to make me think he's either town or scum, which means he cares about how he comes across which is far more likely to be mafia Marv. I think geript is very likely town and this post is a good example. It's weird that marv would vote me for little to no reason (claiming it's "good enough" lol) and then defend Slam like this. marv: how is this post by geript terrible? (To be clear: marv probably isn't a good D1 lynch, since as scum he's forced to maintain some level of activity and leave behind clues about his scummates - and if he's town he's obviously too valuable to lose to a lynch - but I'd say I'm not getting any townie feeling from marv yet and so I'm slightly leaning scum) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 22:11 Xatalos wrote:
I kind of like Cephiro's point on ninjabunnies - about how ninjabunnies doesn't apparently consider the possibility of Cephiro being scum when Cephiro pushes him:
"If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me.
The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted."
It's a bit of a weird thing. Is it even a scumslip? Hard to say. Probably not. Still something that bothers me a bit. Definitely town. He's legitimately trying to figure out this game.
Kk, thanks for the clarification.
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If you're lynching someone normally (for being scummy), I think it's called lynching, not policy lynching.
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I don't think either geript or BH are good lynches. geript is probably town and BH is at least active (and not anyhow particularly scummy).
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mtamburini and jampidampi are most likely to flip scum so far IMO.
mtamburini: Very vague/conditional and unimpactful (while being direct earlier as town).
jampidampi: His posts are mostly filler questions/comments and his only real "conclusion" is a plain listpost without any reasoning.
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On May 22 2014 03:30 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 03:27 Xatalos wrote:
I don't think either geript or BH are good lynches. geript is probably town and BH is at least active (and not anyhow particularly scummy). How in the fuck is BH not a good lynch? How in the fuck is BH being active make him in any way make him not a good lynch? How in the fuck do you consider BH active? How in the fuck is BH a player who firmly believes in his ability to catch scum who has wasted 24 hours spewing bullshit about an RNG lynch not scummy?
Activity -> easier to read on the long run and more likely to help with connection speculation. His filter is mostly spam so far, yeah. I've just seen him as similarly useless (as town) before. And there are better lynches.
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