EPTIf VE's team is all town all scum voted nay, it's pretty clear. Chairman Ray do you agree with this hypothesis?
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raynpelikoneet
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If VE's team is all town all scum voted nay, it's pretty clear. Chairman Ray do you agree with this hypothesis? | ||
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Koshi
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On January 03 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not the basis of my read if you have read my posts. Well why don't you tell me what is the basis of your read. You found me saying I liked you and hopeless and nay voting later on. The only reasoning I can see besides that is because you think scum would want to spread the blame, which I don't think is even true. I over bus in non-resistance games lol. If I was scum I would just attack my teammates, get myself on the mission and if people accuse me of sabotaging the mission my teammates would have a better chance of getting on the next mission. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Koshi
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raynpelikoneet
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On January 03 2014 21:08 Grackaroni wrote: Well why don't you tell me what is the basis of your read. You found me saying I liked you and hopeless and nay voting later on. The only reasoning I can see besides that is because you think scum would want to spread the blame, which I don't think is even true. I over bus in non-resistance games lol. If I was scum I would just attack my teammates, get myself on the mission and if people accuse me of sabotaging the mission my teammates would have a better chance of getting on the next mission. Your train of thought regarding the first mission and voting does not make sense. Your thought process does not match your actions. I am making a big post about this when i get back home but i gotta go in ~10min so i really have no time now. These are my general assumptions regarding the voting: 1) I assume there was at least one scum in Adam's team: - If one scum -> nay-voters look much better than yay-voters - If two scum -> scum most likely split their votes on yay/nay 2) VE's team: - If there is scum in VE's team nay-voters look better - If VE's team was all town all scum voted nay 3) I assume there is only 1 scum in Koshi's team: - Either way the yay-votes piled up too easily and noone looks better than anyone else besides Cora. If someone disagrees with these (1-3) please tell why. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On January 03 2014 21:17 Koshi wrote: meh. Don't think rayn would go after Hopeless so hard so fast. Well right now I'm probably going to put in a team of Grackaroni/Koshi/VE/Corazon, and I'm almost positive the vote will fail. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 03 2014 21:14 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly I am starting to picture a Rayn/hopeless/Adam team right now just from how strange this accusation is from Rayn. If that was the scumteam that team would have 100% passed when Adam suggested it. That scenario is so interesting i would have pushed it through. lol Grack, that's like the shittiest post in thread. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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Grackaroni
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On January 03 2014 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your train of thought regarding the first mission and voting does not make sense. Your thought process does not match your actions. I am making a big post about this when i get back home but i gotta go in ~10min so i really have no time now. This is really just such a bad accusation. You thought day 1 was bad. There were too many yay votes. That we should down vote the team. Later on you find out that team 1 was in fact bad, and the first thing you do is accuse 2 of the nay voters of being the scum team. This is what I think is a reasonable inconsistency to look into. I don't think that is a townie mindset. I thought the same thing as you day1. When I found out that team 1 must have had a spy, I was critical of CR and Sentinel for yay voting the mission. I think that gathering information from the votes is the most pro-town thing you can do. I don't try to make teams with no information; there's a reason that I am more active now that I am leader. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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Whenever you are a leader, regardless of your position in the leader queue the fact is you are supposed to submit an all town team if you are town. Adam suggest a team of himself, me and Hopeless. Therefore he must think me and Hopeless (at the time of suggestion) are town. Before Adam's own vote he says multiple times he thinks the team is all town because of resistance towards the team and because it seems like the team is going to either pass/fail by small margin. Ultimately this is why Adam downvotes his own team. My downvote and this is what he gives as reasoning: On December 29 2013 10:35 Adam4167 wrote: Well, your activity was a little lower than I was hoping. But I guess I shouldn't throw stones in a glass house. Rayns down vote was for a shit reason, but why would he downvote the team if he was scum? That doesn't really make sense. Then there's Koshi, coming back, doing a backflip on his reads and yay voting my team through, when I thought he was scum. Why would he do that if he were scum and this was an all town team like I think? If i'm wrong about him, then I have to be wrong about a few others because things aren't making sense. Chairman Ray gives me pause in that he voted yes, yet has given zero reads on anyone on the team and I don't even see a post saying why he went yes over no. Grack saying my team looked good earlier in the day, then no voting it and declaring he was going to vote no to any team proposed today makes me question anything coming out of him. He gives the implication about his hesitation about my vote. However my vote can't possibly be alignment indicative because as scum (assuming Adam is town - remember he thinks Hopeless is town) i would have absolutely no reason to downvote the team. The only reason i would downvote the team is what i said, i am town and i think Adam is scum. However from Adam's perspective (if he is town) this does not mean his team is less town. On December 29 2013 10:47 Adam4167 wrote: Because I picked my two strongest town reads at the time when I made my team..? Why would I need to be cautious about that? Things have happened since then, and with that new information, I am less sure, as the people voting with me are not the people I expected to be doing so when I made this team. The bolded part. This does not mean shit. Adam is hesitant because of what other people vote. He does not trust his own reads, while earlier on he said people voting against his team is a tell that the team is all town!! It makes zero sense that he backpedals from yay-voting the team for the same reasons he thoguht the team was town for. It does not matter who votes what at this stage, the thing that should matter is that Adam has a town read on me and Hopeless, we are town, he is town, and therefore the team is all town. On December 29 2013 10:53 Adam4167 wrote: It all made sense for Koshi-scum and Rayn-town, right up until they both voted the complete opposite I expected them to. Now I have no fucking clue. I don't feel confident enough in this to send this team right now. We have 4 more chances after this one, so lets err on the side of caution and use them. Balls in your court, VE. This is really bad. Look at the argument. - My vote, as i stated earlier on, is not a scumtell. It makes zero sense for me to downvote the team as scum because i would want a team where there is scum, and i could have easily accomplished it by yay-voting!! - Koshi's vote can't be alignment indicative because Adam said he does not have a clear read on Koshi. If Adam's null-read votes yay that's not a reason to backpedal from yay-voting his own team, a team he has picked, a team that are his townreads! TLDR; Adam's reasoning for nay-voting his own team that consists of his top town reads does not make sense. By his logic there would be no information gathered from voting, because everyone could just say "yeah well let's have more info and more leader before passing a team". That's not how it works, you propose a full town team and that's it, you push it through. If everyone uses this bullshit reasoning on yay/nay-voting teams votes are meaningless and tell nothing about anything. His is using BS reasoning for downvoting his own team, it's that simple. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 03 2014 21:17 Koshi wrote: meh. Don't think rayn would go after Hopeless so hard so fast. Bussing me is an almost guaranteed win for rayn, he looks so town. Good thing you're a spy Koshi <3 | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
1) What do you think of my case on Hopeless? 2) What do you think of my case on Adam/Coag? 3) If there was a team suggested that consists of VE's earlier team + Koshi, what would you vote? If "nay", why? 4) Do you think i am scum? If yes, why? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 03 2014 22:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Bussing me is an almost guaranteed win for rayn, he looks so town. Good thing you're a spy Koshi <3 You just scumslipped but i am not scum because i am not bussing you. I just figured you out. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On January 03 2014 22:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Bussing me is an almost guaranteed win for rayn, he looks so town. Good thing you're a spy Koshi <3 I got you as spy for the rest of the game. If you aren't , the good news is, rayn as spy at least deserves the win. <3 | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 03 2014 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: You just scumslipped but i am not scum because i am not bussing you. I just figured you out. I assure you I am not a spy, I'm just blowing holes in poor logic for funsies. Adam/Koshi/CR spyteam | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
1) What do you think of my case on Adam/Coag? 2) If there was a team suggested that consists of VE's earlier team + rayn, what would you vote? If "nay", why? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
@Grack Send VE's team + yourself Grackaroni, VisceraEyes, [UoN]Sentinel, Corazon | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 03 2014 22:42 Hopeless1der wrote: I assure you I am not a spy, I'm just blowing holes in poor logic for funsies. Adam/Koshi/CR spyteam If you are town could you answer my case where i point out what i find to be your poor logic? Also could you tell why exactly do you think Adam + CR are scum and why Koshi is scum over me? | ||
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