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Can somebody make any sense why rayn nayvoted the first mission?
First of all from rayn his filter it is quite obvious rayn finds day 1 very important. That's really obvious from his filter.
So you got either scumrayn that nayvotes first mission because he is playing the longest con in the entire universe. It is also rayn so if he is scum and both Adam and Hopeless aren't then I am very sure scumrayn would LOVE to go head to head with these 2 in a battle who is the towniest fucker and who is the spy out of the 3. Pretty sure he would also win it and in the meantime protect his 2 scummates from getting a lot of flack. Would be classic scumrayn. (in my eyes)
Or you got townrayn that is so overprotective of that first mission that he nayvotes the team solely out of fear that Adam is scum. Because rayn has Hopeless as pretty much confirmed town. So if townrayn says yay and the mission fails he got a 90% scumread on Adam and rayn does not want to make that gambit because day 1 is so important.
That's the only 2 ways I see atm and I think townrayn is way more likely than scumrayn here. Even though I completely disagree with that nayvote somewhere. On the other hand, if Adam is scum and we are able to send in a rayn/Hopeless/3rd townie in now then it was a pretty sexy play. Especially because like I said, scumVE counted on the fact that rayn would yayvote it :D.
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On January 01 2014 03:58 Corazon wrote:
Do you think his accusations of me are him trying to figure out if I'm scum or just him throwing shit on me? In my opinion, he's been throwing shit at me all game and he tries to count that as scumhunting when it isn't. I will say No to any team with Hopeless on it.
Hmm. Why would scumHopeless do that though? Wouldn't it be easier to go with the tide and fling shit on me with all of you and then be friends with you? A lot of the "shitflinging" Hopeless does towards you is to protect me or defend me or w.e, which is just strange play in this set-up.
Why would Hopeless defend me? Because he gets a townie on his side.
Why would Hopeless fling shit at you at the same time then? That's counterproductive. Put neck out to gain 1 townie trust, but at the same time lose 1 townie trust. And my trust is worth way less than your trust at this point in the game.
Doesn't make sense.
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Like it would make some sense if both of you are scum and then Hopeless gains trust from a townie while he is sure that both you will make up later but that is so very unlikely, I don't think we would be having this conversation if that was the case.
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Koshi: CR is a townread (or should I say null) for me because he is actually spilling good information into this thread. It might be totally unrelevant to this game but I find it useful.
How in god's name is this town behavior? Irrelevant discussion only serves to obstruct actual, useful, town-beneficial discussion from taking place. He also hasn't said anything, and it's not just being busy because he ninja voted without saying a word in the thread. He is far and away the scummiest player in this game right now.
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Hopeless' shit-flinging on me could be an excuse for him to vote nay to an all-town team. He just decided the problem with the team was me and started shit-flinging to back up his opinion.
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Koshi i think your case on VE is pretty good barring some things i don't think are alignment indicative.
I also think your list of possible picks is pretty good, although i am still on the fence with Adam and Grack. I would not send either of them. I can go with you + Hopeless + me.
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Koshi do you want ot 100% send yourself?
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On January 01 2014 04:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +Koshi: CR is a townread (or should I say null) for me because he is actually spilling good information into this thread. It might be totally unrelevant to this game but I find it useful. How in god's name is this town behavior? Irrelevant discussion only serves to obstruct actual, useful, town-beneficial discussion from taking place. He also hasn't said anything, and it's not just being busy because he ninja voted without saying a word in the thread. He is far and away the scummiest player in this game right now.
First of all. I am not saying CR is town and I am not considering him to take him on a Mission. I am pretty sure nobody considers to take CR on a mission. It doesn't make any sense to play like this as scum. CR is the opposite of rayn concerning Mission 1. One guy thinks mission 1 is Holy and the other guy cba with Mission 1.
Clearly CR is confident that he is going to break the game on Day 2 and further without having to go on Missions. That's way more likely to come from town than from scum imo. It is also quite obvious that CR is presenting himself as a Resistance specialist, dangerous to do as a scummer that wants to play the long game. Way easier as a specialist playing with noobs is to simply showcase your skill and go on Mission 1. CR is capable to make big ass posts that look super intelligent. Look Thug Life Mafia. Why wouldn't he make those and at least hint he wants to go on a Mission. CR couldn't care less about Mission 1. It's obvious.
TownCR mindset:
I don't give 2 fucks about mission 1 or painting anybody red Day 1. If it succeeds great going and I have the skillset to figure out who needs to go Day 2 and/or if Mission 1 was tainted. If it doesn't succeed I will use my skillset Day 2 to figure out the game and steer town to the right direction for mission 2 which I think is the most important. Day 2 I will shine.
ScumCR mindset:
I don't give 2 fucks about mission 1 or painting anybody red Day 1. If it succeeds with 3 towns on it I am going to have to try my hardest to get a scummer on Mission 2. Close to mission impossible but damn I will have to try it and show face if it might fail. If it succeeds with 1 scummer on it I can still backseat and try my best on Day 2 to get that scummer on the team again and then he will have to fail it Day 2. If my scumteammate decides to sabotage the mission I will make sure I am the scummer that goes onto one or more of the missions 2 to 5. Or at least paint the wrong guy red.
Like clearly CR doesn't care who goes on Mission 1. As scum there is 1 big risk and that is that 3 townies go on Mission 1. It doesn't look like CR is trying to do anything to prevent this big risk. It's not like CR has any ground to stand on and nayvote. He simply will have to keep saying yay and wait till Day 2.
I don't know. I said CR is null. But I got him leaning town for these reasons. It's just too ballsy scumplay. You guys are all saying I am scum btw. Now add this ballsy scumplay from CR on top of that. Jeez.
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On January 01 2014 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you want ot 100% send yourself?
No. Like I said. Sending myself would make my scumhunting easier because if it fails I know I only got to look at 2 people. On the other hand when it fails I understand that due to my earlier play it might be too hard (even for me) to prove my towniness later on or at least make it look townier than others for Mission 4 & 5.
I don't think I want to take that risk. However, I feel good on my rayn/Hopeless reads so the chance that sabotage will happen is low enough to warrant that risk.
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I think what you said about CR is quite accurate in a way that it does not make sense you both are scum. I don't think CR's absence points towards him being town, because as i said it's a way of denying information.
If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.
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How would town CR be able to steer town to victory if he's viewed as a suspicious person? All of his stuff about spy strats was construed as him trying to give the team some pointers. If he's town, real scummers would have an easy time twisting his words while they control the majority of town sentiment.
Scum CR, if Mission 1 fails, could adopt the same i-told-you-so reasoning as town CR. I think an experienced player would have no problem shifting the game... he was even talking about how spies would use WIFOM in their voting to scare town into picking new teams.
I'll probably bump him up to null-scum until I see his D2 play in earnest though.
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On January 01 2014 05:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
How would town CR be able to steer town to victory if he's viewed as a suspicious person? All of his stuff about spy strats was construed as him trying to give the team some pointers. If he's town, real scummers would have an easy time twisting his words while they control the majority of town sentiment.
Scum CR, if Mission 1 fails, could adopt the same i-told-you-so reasoning as town CR. I think an experienced player would have no problem shifting the game... he was even talking about how spies would use WIFOM in their voting to scare town into picking new teams.
I'll probably bump him up to null-scum until I see his D2 play in earnest though.
That's the point. Did you read Koshi's post? Either way, if CR is scum at the moment he is helping the town with his attitude as he can't oppose all town team. If he is town he is helping scum by looking like non-town as he is not helping.
Funny but that's how i see it. 
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It's a bold play if he is scum but on the other hand it's quite stupid if he is town as more information = always better for the town and right now he isn't giving us anything.
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On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think what you said about CR is quite accurate in a way that it does not make sense you both are scum. I don't think CR's absence points towards him being town, because as i said it's a way of denying information.
If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.
Koshi's cases have plenty of holes in them but so do VE's statements.
I'd probably back him. I think with all of his clarification of his points lately in the thread he'd have a hard time worming out of his words if anything happened.
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Well if you feel confident about CR scum. I feel confident about Adam/VE
then a Cora/rayn/Hopeless party looks pretty cool.
I think it is better than me in case one rayn/Hopeless is scum. better for me at least.
Grack townish but didn't do enough to also take on a Mission tbh. The things I like are his early town read for Hopeless and his posts concerning the first team. Like saying he would nayvote regardless the first team was and saying that the team already passed while a couple people still had to vote. Kinda makes him look like he is in the dark.
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Cora and Hopeless on one team? If that team fails this thread will explode.
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Hmm. Looks like rayn/Hopeless/Koshi has already passed with 5 votes if we got Sentinel vote of approval.
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On January 01 2014 05:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Cora and Hopeless on one team? If that team fails this thread will explode.
Possibly. In my eyes lowest chance of failing team that goes through without me on it.
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lowest change of sabotage team without me on it that has a chance to be voted through*
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Cora you wanna play mano-y-mano?
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