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VisceraEyes
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Koshi who do you plan to send for your team? Sentinel what "mistake" do you refer to? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On December 30 2013 05:40 Corazon wrote: Hey hopeless, do you want to tell us why you are voting nay instead of trying to ninja your vote? I dunno, maybe VE can explain why he puts up a team without putting it out for discussion first. He introduces 3 new players, none of which have been sufficiently scrutinized imo. Sentinel is the one I'm most confident calling town of the 3. You and VE are sketchbags imo(no offense) | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 28 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hopeless is talking with more sense and clarity that I can conjure up, and his posts do seem a lot more complete than what I saw in my quick browse of his LXIII filter. I like Adam calling out Koshi as well instead of just hopping on board with everyone else (including me). In some way this makes me think he carefully thought out his team. I trust him and I trust his view on Hopeless. Rayn's been stepping up as our chief discussion leader so I trust him too. I'm okay with this mission. Voting yay I like what Sentinel says about Hopeless, and i like what he says about Adam calling out Koshi. The problem is earlier on Koshi was a strong candidate for Sentinel's pick if was to pick a team. Why did you change your mind on Koshi? Another problem with the post is what Sentinel did - he yay-voted amongst the first people for Adam's team. Now he is "holding judgement" on VE's team, when in fact it should be easier to vote in a way or another, as he is one of the teammembers, he has to judge only 2 people, not 3. Explain that Sentinel. Also again, here he says Koshi and VE are shaky, why? VisceraEyes - VE seems to be thinking i am town but at some point i am not any more of his top picks, and somehow me + Hopeless are swapped with Sentinel + Cora. Why? I also get the feeling VE is laid back and playing more with a reactionary playstyle rather than being pro-active. Is there any reason for that VE? You yourself said this game is more about town hunting than scum hunting, which is true, i don't get the feeling you are trying to find out if people are town or not, and it bothers me. On the other hand his posts are clear and the point comes across easily for me, nothing too suspicious about VE besides his lack of pro-activiness and him picking the team almost immediately when he had 24h. Adam4167 - I really do not like the fact Adam down-voted his own team, which in his opinion should be all town as he picked it. I would like him to fully explain the thoguht process behind doing so. To me it makes no sense he first says "ofc ima vote yay", then argues that the team is all town when it meets resistance and proceeds on down-voting it. Corazon - He looks fairly town to me. I do not think he has played Resistance before and still he was fearless giving his opinions on how people should act in certain situations. While i think his opinions were wrong i think it strongly points towards him being town. He is also being pro-active in sharing his reads and asking people's opinions on things. I still would love to hear more on his reasoning behind his reads. Chairman Ray - I really really did not like him discussing spy strategies. Like he told "there is something need to talk about after missions", then when people asked him why, it seemed to me he went defensive and gave people what they wanted. While the information he gave out was correct, it was something that should not be given out imo. Spies can't communicate outside the thread and if CR is a spy he just told his scummates how to play. That's fishy. He's been more talking about strategy than actual reads, does anyone know who CR thinks is town/scum? Because i don't. I also did not like his "it doesn't matter who we send on the first mission so let's just get over with it". That's entirely incorrect. Grackaroni - Grack has had some good points on things, mainly on the nay-votes on Adam's team proposal. I can't really tell his alignment in a way or another as he has only commented on things i find to be quite small and i can't figure out what agenda he is trying to push. Need to hear more from him. Koshi - I don't like Koshi's heuristics. At all. To me it seems like he wants to sit behind some principles like "let's send the most active players" to not having to contribute on people's alignments with real arguments. That's definitely a wrong way to play this game. Especially D1 in Resistance is not much different from Mafia, besides that town-hunting is more beneficial than scumhunting. Not doing either of them is really bad. I would like to hear his reasoning for his reads, not like he does it now ("if these people are town then good - we should send them to find out"), but rather like ("i think these people are town for XYZ, that's why we should send them"). Right now Koshi seems to be working backwards and that's really worrying. Hopeless1der - Hopeless seems really pro-active in comparsion to other games i have played with him. I like Hopeless' posts, he seems to be thinking alike me. Hopeless one question, why did you yay-vote Adam's team as he was null for you? That's pretty much all i have to say atm. I would like people to answer my concerns so i can tell you how we win this game after that.  I am not voting yet and i advice others to do so aswell, we have time, there is no need to rush as it costs as valuable discussion time. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On December 30 2013 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote: VE, why did you want your team to fail? What did you expect to gain from watching us vote nay? Koshi who do you plan to send for your team? Sentinel what "mistake" do you refer to? On December 28 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hopeless is talking with more sense and clarity that I can conjure up, and his posts do seem a lot more complete than what I saw in my quick browse of his LXIII filter. I like Adam calling out Koshi as well instead of just hopping on board with everyone else (including me). In some way this makes me think he carefully thought out his team. I trust him and I trust his view on Hopeless. Rayn's been stepping up as our chief discussion leader so I trust him too. I'm okay with this mission. Voting yay I think I rushed my vote way too fast. I want to think this one through. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
VisceraEyes/Corazon is my scumteam atm. Can't shake the feeling and I had it for a long time now. I said why already. + now there is a scumslip. On December 30 2013 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Koshi who do you plan to send for your team? Koshi, Not VE, Not Cora | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On December 30 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not know why he liked Koshi / Adam early on, i certainly did not share the feeling. I do not like this post: I like what Sentinel says about Hopeless, and i like what he says about Adam calling out Koshi. The problem is earlier on Koshi was a strong candidate for Sentinel's pick if was to pick a team. Why did you change your mind on Koshi? Another problem with the post is what Sentinel did - he yay-voted amongst the first people for Adam's team. Now he is "holding judgement" on VE's team, when in fact it should be easier to vote in a way or another, as he is one of the teammembers, he has to judge only 2 people, not 3. Explain that Sentinel. Also again, here he says Koshi and VE are shaky, why? I jumped the gun on this post. I've admitted it in the thread multiple times and I'm admitting it again. If I had my way this post would never exist. However - This is where I realize that Koshi hasn't really been doing anything except telling everyone he's town, and Adam was the first one to point that out. Good job Adam. However, this is when Adam also disappeared, and people instantly voted yay on his team. That didn't seem right. I think a team with a spy on it would have that little resistance because the spies can back the team 100%. Town team wouldn't. So it seemed like a spy team until people started voting nay. Then it was still shaky but better. I actually like VE's team more than Adam's. Cora's still high in my townie books, and I'm town, so that's 2 out of 3 right there. The missing link is VE. On one hand, VE started out the game much like Adam, saying a few words and then going off the radar, in his case for nearly 24 hours. So that was disconcerting. His post addressing liabilities on the team was spot-on, but I didn't like the fact that he vanished. Now he's back and returning to the same posts about proper townie behavior, etc. yet his decision felt rash too. I think he should have at least discussed the possibility of me and Cora vs. rayn and Hopeless before he sent the team in, but you addressed that already so I won't bother restating. What I don't understand though, is why: On December 30 2013 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: But for the record, I'm still mostly town on Rayn...just disappointed that he's not as active as he was at the start of the game. Does a strong townread on rayn still justify switching onto me? Koshi I'm not sure about. I don't like him at all this game, yet I can't pin anything substantial onto him. I hate his "I'm obv town gaise" attitude, yet he did make good points on VE at the time. And I'm still unsure why he's so adamant about nayvoting VE's team. My gut feeling after all this time tells me to vote yay, but I'm still deciding how much I want to read into Koshi's words. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On December 30 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote: I said why already. + now there is a scumslip. I for one remain unconvinced there was any scumslip there. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 30 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote: Koshi has already commented on people their alignments with real arguments. Why do you suggest I am trying to play without doing that? I clearly am giving reads and probably am within the top 3 of people giving reads on everything. VisceraEyes/Corazon is my scumteam atm. Can't shake the feeling and I had it for a long time now. I said why already. + now there is a scumslip. Koshi, Not VE, Not Cora No Koshi, you havn't given any reads. Only things that could be considered as reads are in this post of yours: + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2013 07:19 Koshi wrote: Cora going after me so soon was cute, but now he is too invested in it for no reason. I was not getting elected or was elected and Cora is already making plans to not let me go on mission 2 & 3. There is no townie reason for that. He kept blackening my name with his joke "pulling a Koshi". VE was playing it cool. Staying in the back, I thought he was gathering reads and not letting the scummers feel his presence at first. VE even made the comment "even when I am not elected I can still give good reads", but after adam made his team. VE came into the picture and instantly undermined Adam without touching the team, no townie reason for that. The follow up reads VE gave was null on adam. Nothing at all on rayn and Hopeless. Town on Cora and Sentinel. Which doesnt make sense, if Adam is nullish and the biggest problem in that team. Then VE has already townreads on rayn, Hopeless, Cora and Sentinel. Pretty strong stuff. But VE is not that confident at all in his post, he should be pushing a nay vote from everybody and be captain himself, pick his reads and own this game for town. But he isn't, he is still unsure about what to do when his team gets through and he will have to pick sabotage or not. VE is scum. Pretty sure about him. CR is town for spilling all the information. I am a guy that hasnt played resistance yet and I feel CR his information is helping me. Unless CR is teamed with 2 noobies there is no reason for him to be noobfriendly. Sadly people are thinking I am scum so this is looking like exactly the thing CR as scum would do to help me but nope. I am not scum. CR is being neutral atm. Neutral is good. VE pretended to be neutral at start but wasnt after first team got out. Cora is pushing me (town) out of mission 1-3. Read on VE is somewhat understandable, reads on Cora and CR are not. Cora trying to figure out your alignment is a scumtell? Why? Read on CR is crap for what i have stated already. "Spilling the beans" is a scumtell in Resistance because of no out thread comm for spies. Does it make CR scum? Not necessarily, but it definitely does not make him town. All other reads you have given are some arbitary teams you suggest and then you tell what me might learn if the mission with those people will fail/succeed. That's not giving reads, that's working backwards. I can point out ~10 exmples from your filter if you want to argue about this. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On December 30 2013 05:59 Corazon wrote: Hopeless, do you think Koshi is town and why Yes, and I don't remember exactly why. Something about how he's trying to convert mafia knowledge to resistance knowledge and his appealing to veterans to guide the way for us made me think he had an idea of a plan that would push town in the right direction, even if he had nothing to do with finding that right direction. On December 30 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Since you ninja'd me Hopeless, i see you disagree with me on Cora, so, what exactly is your read on Cora and why? There were points against koshi about how he wasnt trying to discern alignments. Cora is doing the same thing with Koshi, but worse, he's actively discrediting him. Koshi was assuming I just wouldnt post much and that sending me on a mission was a losing endeavor because even if we succeed you get little benefit from having me "confirmed" since I wouldn't do much with it. Cora is telling people to ignore Koshi because he's trolling too much and wont allow him a word in edgewise. On December 30 2013 06:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I for one remain unconvinced there was any scumslip there. I think koshi is more likely to be town for thinking its a scumslip though, regardless of if there really is one. @Rayn's question from list post Hopeless one question, why did you yay-vote Adam's team as he was null for you? Probably a similar reason that Koshi was willing to consider Yay'ing VE's team if he commited to a townread on you: It was worth risking a failed mission to "confirm" a spy. In my case, Adam was a statistical tossup as first leader. I looked at his suggesting-a-team post and thought it was more likely he was town than scum, but in the same breath second guessed myself into calling him null. I think I have a good read on you. If we failed our mission, I'd be convinced Adam was the spy. That information is worth the failed early mission to me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
However i disagree with you on Koshi, the way he is working is not correct and does not make him town. He constantly uses reasoning like "if these people are town then good", "if the mission fails then.." when discussing teams. That's not how you should play. You give reads, pick townies, and then re-evaluate if the mission fails. Picking someone / not picking someone because "if the mission fails then what?" is a wrong way to work, that's not reasoning that makes someone town/scum. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On December 28 2013 08:38 Corazon wrote: After looking at Hopeless again, I really do like his posts. His contributions have been very excellent and I don't mind his nomination at all. I'm also okay with Rayn and Adam as nominations. I want to hear some more questioning and activity from everyone b/c the only scum/spy read I have right now is Koshi. This felt way too easy of a +1 without any critical thought behind it. I didn't like this post. Combined with associative I think Koshi is town -> Therefore Cora scum. | ||
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