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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 05:49 GMT
#321
On December 30 2013 10:29 Adam4167 wrote:
VE, you seem to have given your thoughts on everyone else in this game one way or another, yet for me its 'null' early on D1 with a downvote, and apparently I'm not in your theorized scum team.

Basically, what I want to know is, what is your current read on me? What are your thoughts on me passing my own team? If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?

MAYBE town? Your filter left me hanging yesterday when I looked, but your posting around deadline time was decent enough I guess. But your last question IS a good one. I'm not super sold on Grack scum so it's possible I'm wrong and you're scum. <3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 17:45 GMT
#322
More yay votes plz, I think this team is a WEINER!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 18:55 GMT
#323
VE elaborate more on your last statement about Adam. Was Adam your scumread at that time and if he was/wasn't how does that change your read on him now or does it?

Please other people, come in and play as well. D1 is a crucial part of this game and i really do want an all town team to go. This is dumb atm because noone is playing ffs.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 30 2013 19:41 GMT
#324
I've been busy this morning, apologies

80% sure I want to vote yay.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 19:47 GMT
#325
Sent what do you think of Adam's statement about VE?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 30 2013 19:58 GMT
#326
On December 31 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sent what do you think of Adam's statement about VE?


I don't think it says anything suspicious that VE avoided Adam for a while, seems more like early D1 bias getting in the way of making new reads when Adam comes back in the thread and actually posts.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 19:59 GMT
#327
I meant more like what does it say about Adam?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 30 2013 20:03 GMT
#328
On December 31 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant more like what does it say about Adam?

See the puzzle of "who's scum" would make sense if Adam was a spy and Koshi+CR were his confederates trying to push him through, yet why would Adam call direct attention to this if he were the third spy? Why would he be asking VE to reconsider his scumteam?

It doesn't make Adam outright town, but it does at least give a little bit of justice to his name.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:07 GMT
#329
I think it's really likely that Adam is town based on that. This line...
If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?

...is exactly the kind of behavior you should bee looking & questioning in Resistance games if you are town. That's probably one of the best posts in thread.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 20:08 GMT
#330
On December 31 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think it's really likely that Adam is town based on that. This line...
Show nested quote +
If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?

...is exactly the kind of behavior you should bee looking & questioning in Resistance games if you are town. That's probably one of the best posts in thread.

Well maybe later on it's a good question. Right now it's just meaningless conjecture and WIFOM.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 20:10 GMT
#331
Like he can safely say that now if he's scum because the team in question was denied and the present team contains zero of the players in question. It's pointless to even consider "what if" right now because we have no information to base it off of.

Not saying it makes him scum, just saying that him saying that now, during my team's vote, doesn't make him as town as you seem to think it does.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:10 GMT
#332
I mean, In VE's reads the team Adam suggested is all town (or rather - all non-scum, since Adam was null to VE). It makes very little sense for VE's scumreads to yay-vote an all town team and i think VE should have realized this and changed his reads based on votes. He only brings up Adam MAYBE being mafia instead of Grack after Adam asks him about it.

If he was town he should have made conclusions right after the team got nay-voted. Also if Adam is scum, and VE's reads are otherwise correct, why would Adam nay-vote his own team, there would be scum in it?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 20:13 GMT
#333
And no, I thought Adam was scum when I nay-voted the team. Or at least, I was explicit in saying Adam was the reason I was nay-voting.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:15 GMT
#334
So does him nay-voting his own team change your opinion on him in any way?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 20:17 GMT
#335
No, because think about it: to him, there was a lot of opposition. And with a final vote, if the team fails, Adam looks the worst right?

Adam's posting looked better at the end of the day, THAT is what changed my opinion on him. Him nay-voting could mean anything, whether it's to give us more discussion time (which is what it appears to be) or to follow perceived town sentiment (which is what I guess it would have been if he's scum).
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:21 GMT
#336
Okay, so you think it's WIFOM? I understand that's a possibility but i just wanna know what you think and why.

About the discussion point. I think that's the most WIFOM'y thing discussed on D1 and all the people who discussed it should be under scrutiny. Nay-voting a team especially on D1 because "you want more discussion" is an easy way for scum to hide behind if the proposed team is all town. If the team is all town and you think so, you should be yay-voting it because the point is to pass teams that are all town. If people nay-vote because they "want more discussion" that actually kills the discussion because the votes are not because of reads but something else, you can't tell the real motivation or mkae conclusions about people's reasons.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 20:24 GMT
#337
On December 31 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, so you think it's WIFOM? I understand that's a possibility but i just wanna know what you think and why.

About the discussion point. I think that's the most WIFOM'y thing discussed on D1 and all the people who discussed it should be under scrutiny. Nay-voting a team especially on D1 because "you want more discussion" is an easy way for scum to hide behind if the proposed team is all town. If the team is all town and you think so, you should be yay-voting it because the point is to pass teams that are all town. If people nay-vote because they "want more discussion" that actually kills the discussion because the votes are not because of reads but something else, you can't tell the real motivation or mkae conclusions about people's reasons.

Especially because to the person who did it (Team Leader Adam) he was in a unique position of "knowing" that 1/3 of the team is town for a fact.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:26 GMT
#338
Yeah that's true and i would like to hear more from Adam. Like really hear about why he downvoted the team (as i said in my big post).
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 30 2013 20:27 GMT
#339
Like, discussion of what exactly? He proposed a team of what he thought were 3 townies, and the deciding vote on whether his "all town team" got sent was "nay to give us discussion"......discussion of what exactly? Why we should send the people he proposed? But he could have just sent the people he proposed if he'd voted Yay. It doesn't make much sense to me from a town perspective.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:29 GMT
#340
Yes this post from him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439135&currentpage=16#311

Doesn't really answer my question. He's doing what Koshi is doing, working backwards. At least based on this.
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