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On December 30 2013 10:29 Adam4167 wrote:
VE, you seem to have given your thoughts on everyone else in this game one way or another, yet for me its 'null' early on D1 with a downvote, and apparently I'm not in your theorized scum team.
Basically, what I want to know is, what is your current read on me? What are your thoughts on me passing my own team? If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?
MAYBE town? Your filter left me hanging yesterday when I looked, but your posting around deadline time was decent enough I guess. But your last question IS a good one. I'm not super sold on Grack scum so it's possible I'm wrong and you're scum. <3
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More yay votes plz, I think this team is a WEINER!!
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VE elaborate more on your last statement about Adam. Was Adam your scumread at that time and if he was/wasn't how does that change your read on him now or does it?
Please other people, come in and play as well. D1 is a crucial part of this game and i really do want an all town team to go. This is dumb atm because noone is playing ffs.
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I've been busy this morning, apologies
80% sure I want to vote yay.
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Sent what do you think of Adam's statement about VE?
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On December 31 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sent what do you think of Adam's statement about VE?
I don't think it says anything suspicious that VE avoided Adam for a while, seems more like early D1 bias getting in the way of making new reads when Adam comes back in the thread and actually posts.
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I meant more like what does it say about Adam?
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On December 31 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant more like what does it say about Adam?
See the puzzle of "who's scum" would make sense if Adam was a spy and Koshi+CR were his confederates trying to push him through, yet why would Adam call direct attention to this if he were the third spy? Why would he be asking VE to reconsider his scumteam?
It doesn't make Adam outright town, but it does at least give a little bit of justice to his name.
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I think it's really likely that Adam is town based on that. This line...
If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?
...is exactly the kind of behavior you should bee looking & questioning in Resistance games if you are town. That's probably one of the best posts in thread.
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On December 31 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think it's really likely that Adam is town based on that. This line... Show nested quote +If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday? ...is exactly the kind of behavior you should bee looking & questioning in Resistance games if you are town. That's probably one of the best posts in thread.
Well maybe later on it's a good question. Right now it's just meaningless conjecture and WIFOM.
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Like he can safely say that now if he's scum because the team in question was denied and the present team contains zero of the players in question. It's pointless to even consider "what if" right now because we have no information to base it off of.
Not saying it makes him scum, just saying that him saying that now, during my team's vote, doesn't make him as town as you seem to think it does.
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I mean, In VE's reads the team Adam suggested is all town (or rather - all non-scum, since Adam was null to VE). It makes very little sense for VE's scumreads to yay-vote an all town team and i think VE should have realized this and changed his reads based on votes. He only brings up Adam MAYBE being mafia instead of Grack after Adam asks him about it.
If he was town he should have made conclusions right after the team got nay-voted. Also if Adam is scum, and VE's reads are otherwise correct, why would Adam nay-vote his own team, there would be scum in it?
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And no, I thought Adam was scum when I nay-voted the team. Or at least, I was explicit in saying Adam was the reason I was nay-voting.
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So does him nay-voting his own team change your opinion on him in any way?
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No, because think about it: to him, there was a lot of opposition. And with a final vote, if the team fails, Adam looks the worst right?
Adam's posting looked better at the end of the day, THAT is what changed my opinion on him. Him nay-voting could mean anything, whether it's to give us more discussion time (which is what it appears to be) or to follow perceived town sentiment (which is what I guess it would have been if he's scum).
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Okay, so you think it's WIFOM? I understand that's a possibility but i just wanna know what you think and why. 
About the discussion point. I think that's the most WIFOM'y thing discussed on D1 and all the people who discussed it should be under scrutiny. Nay-voting a team especially on D1 because "you want more discussion" is an easy way for scum to hide behind if the proposed team is all town. If the team is all town and you think so, you should be yay-voting it because the point is to pass teams that are all town. If people nay-vote because they "want more discussion" that actually kills the discussion because the votes are not because of reads but something else, you can't tell the real motivation or mkae conclusions about people's reasons.
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On December 31 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, so you think it's WIFOM? I understand that's a possibility but i just wanna know what you think and why. About the discussion point. I think that's the most WIFOM'y thing discussed on D1 and all the people who discussed it should be under scrutiny. Nay-voting a team especially on D1 because "you want more discussion" is an easy way for scum to hide behind if the proposed team is all town. If the team is all town and you think so, you should be yay-voting it because the point is to pass teams that are all town. If people nay-vote because they "want more discussion" that actually kills the discussion because the votes are not because of reads but something else, you can't tell the real motivation or mkae conclusions about people's reasons.
Especially because to the person who did it (Team Leader Adam) he was in a unique position of "knowing" that 1/3 of the team is town for a fact.
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Yeah that's true and i would like to hear more from Adam. Like really hear about why he downvoted the team (as i said in my big post).
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Like, discussion of what exactly? He proposed a team of what he thought were 3 townies, and the deciding vote on whether his "all town team" got sent was "nay to give us discussion"......discussion of what exactly? Why we should send the people he proposed? But he could have just sent the people he proposed if he'd voted Yay. It doesn't make much sense to me from a town perspective.
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