EPTI know some people might think that's lenient but even if someone who acts terribly is only kept out of every other game that's still a lot more than right now, additionally I think if I was told every other game I signed up for that enough people didn't want to play with me that I'm not allowed in then I probably would really try to shape up in the games I am allowed in.
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
I know some people might think that's lenient but even if someone who acts terribly is only kept out of every other game that's still a lot more than right now, additionally I think if I was told every other game I signed up for that enough people didn't want to play with me that I'm not allowed in then I probably would really try to shape up in the games I am allowed in. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Many of the ideas being espoused here sincerely make me worry about the future of the game on this site. I'm not sure the game HAS a future on this site without some drastic ideas | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
This thread is getting a bit clogged and I don't see much progress from anyone towards a lynch candidate aside from darthpunk saying kush will probably get lynched. I don't take that to heart to much because darth's posts ave been on track. thrawn has hardly been participating in the thread, and when he does, he really detracts from the importance of today. On December 17 2013 11:48 thrawn2112 wrote: everyone be chill, problem solved On December 17 2013 12:06 thrawn2112 wrote: it's the internet. making new behavior modification rules won't help anything. recidivism is real and new trolls sign up all the time my earlier post wasn't a joke. i'm not sure that there actually is a problem that goes beyond a few people, or a few relationships, but if there is a problem it can only be solved by everyone chilling out. make as many rules as you want but you're still not dealing with the "core issue" you asked about. that's nothing you can solve, all you can do is make sure you are chill and hope that others follow This is not conducive to finding scum. We really don't have alot of means aside from "rule-making", so it's slgithly pessimistic to downplay that aspect. His use of the word 'chill' multiple times counteracts his scuminess IMO, but I'd keep an eye on this guy. On December 17 2013 12:23 kitaman27 wrote: Little did I expect that this would happen only hours later XD This is a very nice catch, and maybe we can figure out who killed coagulation? He kept posting afterwards, but it would take a bit for the action to go through, so that makes me very suspicious of the people active at that time. We can't speculate too hard on this though. Kita is probably town though. Until we find someone worse, I think thrawn is our best bet today. ##Vote thrawn2112 | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
Modkill people who are being Toxic after a warning in thread and then a warning via PM. Basic penalty is 3 game ban for Toxicity related modkills. All other bans/warnings stay as current. Repeat offenders get 6 month semi perm from all TL mafia games. If there is a disagreement then that is discussed freely in then Banlist thread. Host get's final say unless GMarshal overrules. Really simple and I think would this solve a lot of the problems due to toxic behaviour. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 17 2013 11:47 Corazon wrote: This discussion isn't going to go anywhere. It's just going to go back into how I'm such a big problem and how I'm such an asshole and I'm the only problem in this subforum when you all need to open your eyes. ##Unvote ##Vote Corazon | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
##Shoot: Corazon | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On December 17 2013 13:23 bumatlarge wrote: Scratch that, there is no way that corazon can be town with posts like this. ##Unvote ##Vote Corazon I appreciate you're having some fun but this thread is srs business. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
bumatlarge the Mafia Day Vigilante has been killed All Mafia have been eliminated! Town wins! | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 17 2013 07:52 Risen wrote: If global moderation became I think it would deter me. If hosts were stricter (as long as they were clear so maybe update the OPs) with enforcing madness it would not. I will be making a longer Axle post but this is important, as outside most pans there is a fire. There are many more ways to do this stuff wrong than right. A problem, with non mafia players, deciding on what is in and out, is that the game is inherently adversarial. *I* believe I can play mafia inside the usual TL posting guidelines, I am not sure (indeed probably the opposite) that the game would then be fun for quite number of people as it would be very dry, sober, clinical, ... I believe mafia is best moderated by people who have played, I suspect its even best if its played by people who played recently as its easy to go all ivory tower on how it ought be played. My personal rules, for what i would allow as a host seem to be settling down Rule 0: The contention in post needs to be about the game. Exception 0: its social interactive game not every post is on topic, some of it will be banter. Consider a recent post that did get (as a final straw?) the player modkilled "You are basing a scumread off a joke I made you " derogatory epithet While I don't dispute that mod kill case at all. This post has actual game content, providing the epithet was not beyond the pale it is an invective that adds this meaning "You are basing a scumread off a joke I made you, and i really mean it, your logic is badly flawed!" but in a more natural and less forced manner. Now that is extreme, but the problem is there is considerable context to a mafia post, and posts that I suspect would get you banned elsewhere on the forum are a natural part of the game IMO, and dont really upset people. The discussion is adversarial people will make mistakes in individual posts but providing they get back to the game. Perhaps its like the pool table, or the dad rule, where you must keep one foot on the ground at all times while in my daughters bedroom or addressing the ball. (changing hats) I could well be wrong, I have not read enough games on 2p2, or seen how their dispute process operates in pratice enough to judge and be sure. (Oh look I just went wishy washy.) ##shoot Aquanim he is obviously not playing. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
even if it was acceptable, there was already a warning and I let my frustration get the better of me. i don't plan on playing anymore games and im sure people will be relieved to hear that. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 17 2013 13:33 VayneAuthority wrote: lol please don't try to defend that axle, it was way over the line (assuming im reading that correctly) even if it was acceptable, there was already a warning and I let my frustration get the better of me. i don't plan on playing anymore games and im sure people will be relieved to hear that.  | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On December 11 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone caught actively playing against their win con is auto modkilled / banned. Obviously this is going to be subjective to the mods but seriously. Watching people go into a game and troll to shit while not posting anything meaningful is insanely frustrating. This is coming from a guy who has watched players make justifications that townies are allowed to be "anti town". If anyone in the town is repeatedly "anti town" or however people want to justify it they die. A town members job is to get scum lynched and make it obvious that they are town and thus shouldnt be lynched. People if they join a game should be trying. There are other people who might or would have made better use of your slot if all your going to do is lurk. Don't have the time required to play in a game? don't join. Seriously, spam isn't that much of an issue. Even skimming a thread you can spot posts that feel wrong and you can filter the player. Its incredibly easy to still play a game with a ton of spam. Is it frustrating to do? Yes, but its doable. No one wants to play with people who don't play to their win conditions. Figured this is still applicable to the general situation. As someone who's been here since the beginning of TL mafia basically I can say that aggressive behaviour/being an asshole never really kept people from playing the game. I say this as we were able to for a long time hold a fairly steady and strong group that played frequently. Did we let it go too far? possibly, however "attacks" are part of the game. You can use them to garner emotional responses which can prompt people to slip up. If the posts are directed at the person and clearly not in any way shape or form game related or serve a game related purpose warn for it. Or ban. However the biggest issue IMO is and has been for ages people not playing to win. I can point out more than one game in the last year of people spending more time being trolls/afks/dbags who don't play to win and join to be complete assholes/continue grudges from previous games. If people actively start playing to win and honestly trying to win the dynamic would change completely here. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 17 2013 13:33 VayneAuthority wrote: lol please don't try to defend that axle, it was way over the line (assuming im reading that correctly) even if it was acceptable, there was already a warning and I let my frustration get the better of me. i don't plan on playing anymore games and im sure people will be relieved to hear that. I am not defending your post in the game or the series of them at all. If I host game and that happens you would get mod killed for it. I used it as an example because it was modkillable BUT if the (omitted by me) words in literally JUST that post had been less strong and the invective merely emphasised that drawing a scum read from a joke is a bad idea, then it is a play that I think maybe ought be allowed providing the rest of your play had been inside the lines. It was good example because it was a post that I could suggest small changes in circumstance where it would still perhaps be bannable in a general TL thread but a proper part of mafia game on the same forum. It was hence case for why ban & mod kill decisions probably ought not be in non (former player)/host hands. + Show Spoiler + Axle: Your original "joke", did even while I guessed it was bad joke and you were town, potentially materially aid the enemy and go against win con. Skip: How? Axle: games ongoing cant. L8r Vayne: "im sure people will be relieved to hear that." I don't mind if you go on playing at all. You can choose how to play and see if it works, if not adapt. If in the end you decide this, on this forum, is not a game you want to play that is good too. (I too make the same decision for me) If you wanted to play in game I hosted in the near future we would be having a PM discussion first. As you are clearly aware (having I think played in other places) mafia is game that is played in different ways in different places. Here is one rather different place http://otakucentral.org/mafia-lair/7748-mafia-round-29-harou-n-14.html#post582892 I dont play there. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 17 2013 13:33 VayneAuthority wrote: lol please don't try to defend that axle, it was way over the line (assuming im reading that correctly) even if it was acceptable, there was already a warning and I let my frustration get the better of me. i don't plan on playing anymore games and im sure people will be relieved to hear that. Not me. Slam needs his head slammed to not be lazy! | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 17 2013 14:37 Alakaslam wrote: Not me. Slam needs his head slammed to not be lazy! WotC alert. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
has it really gotten worse? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 17 2013 14:51 layabout wrote: lol has it really gotten worse? I don't think any of the players you played with are any worse now than they were when we played together regularly. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
What is WotC? | ||
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