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Holyflare
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On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote: I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I dunno kinda like to believe when people give time frames. | ||
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Holyflare
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You then point out exactly what the last page or two was about in regards to spammers, everyone had already mentioned it, it isn't a contribution at all. | ||
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Holyflare
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Why, if you say so many times, that votes are meaningless at the start of the game have you thrown out a vote only 6ish hours into the game? ----------------------------- I also would like your opinions on other people within the game too. What do you think of artanis' posting style so far? Do you think the points I wrote here are valid? : + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote: Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. | ||
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Holyflare
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On December 10 2013 12:15 Pandain wrote: Quick quedtion Holy do you think early game votes are pretty meaningless as well What possible use is this to any conversation present in this game? | ||
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Holyflare
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On December 10 2013 06:53 Corazon wrote: Lol can I go one game without being the first one voted. Do you guys really think I'm more scummy at this point than Spag and Slam? I'm being open and honest with all of you. I'm not hiding anything. I've always tried to be genuine and not put up façades or wear masks. I'm telling you that I was going to be busy and I told you how I felt coming into this game. If you guys want to call me scum for that, go ahead. But just know that it is really silly to call me scum when Slam and Spag made one post and peaced out. Spag had to be coerced back into the thread and Slam still hasn't come back. Plutarch wasn't trying to prod me for discussion; he was trying to twist my words and call me scum. Holyflare is just piggybacking off of everyone else's arguments to take town credit. If you guys would look into the game, you would see that I am far from the scummiest player here. Also, it is good to know that you are all down for pressure voting so now I don't have to take your votes seriously until very close to the deadline. Sweet. I asked for your opinion on people and asked you to further elaborate on artanis based on what i've said, this is how I play mafia, there is no need whatsoever to. I didn't intend for you to only comment on him. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:38 bumatlarge wrote: The best scum hunters aren't good early. Talkative scum have to be brilliant to not make mistakes early. They would only benefit if they are a lot quicker/smarter then us. I'd like I not think that. I disagree. | ||
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Holyflare
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I disagree. This is a game of information, that information is gathered by lynching people. Wagons formed, wagons abandoned, interactions etc etc. What benefit do we have to determining the alignment of other players when we lynch into a pool of inactive players? There are vig's for things like that. The entire mention of lynching into lurkers promotes a stability to the players that can post the bare minimum as they won't get lynched, while we still gather nothing. I find it odd that, rather than wait to get to a pc and contribute, bumatlarge defaults to phone posting and has intent to guide people on how to perform in this game, talking about policy and strategy rather than waiting and contributing on things that have happened. Phone's aren't limited to policy talk, yet he has neglected to give any insight into what he thinks. __________________________ LSB, I likez your style. Want to wait for his replies though. | ||
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Holyflare
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On December 10 2013 13:57 bumatlarge wrote: Facts>Analysis>information. Information is subjectively valued. In standard setups, information is massively overshadowed by conclusions drawn from all information. Information is a too insubstantial this early. I'd be more then happy to keep filling up the thread with this gentleman talk if you'll oblige. 1) What benefit to our fact and analysis tracking does talking about policy have? 2) What facts do we retrieve from lynching a lurker over someone that is actively participating? I think you are misreading information as information. Analysis and facts are made from information that we gather, what analsyis can we create from lynching off a "modkillable" player compared to the wealth of analsysis that can be created from a scummy, active player. _________________ Either way, I would much rather you talk about people in this game than further this discussion. What have you gathered so far? Were you able to fully catch up on your phone? | ||
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Holyflare
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On December 10 2013 15:36 xigxag wrote: I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game. Have you even read the game? Vig's are guarenteed in the setup and it's not "directing" vig shots. Threat of vig shot = threat of dying and if they are town they will stop trolling/step it up as I assume people enter this game to win. I think you're mistaking direction with pressure. | ||
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Holyflare
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Compare the quote you just linked: On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game?? to this from this game: On December 10 2013 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: dude you need to chillax. it's like hours into the game. Where is the difference apart from the complete lack of anything this game? He has like 4 posts and they all distinguish nada. It is impossible to get a "town read" on anyone with that lack of content so to enter the thread as that being the only information you bring to the table is something that is highly questionable. Now as someone who was scum and spammed and wrote things like that do you not think one would evolve scum play to avoid the things that people saw as questionable (in this case the spam from noir)? I don't like how you have addressed Xatalos and cora - the main contention points in this thread as a side note, talking about vig's and telling him to cool down. Was there a reason you decided to do that rather than elaborate on things that have been said? | ||
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Holyflare
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Also, just because they are not good lynches does not mean you can't elaborate on your reads on them, especially as they were both mentioned on your entry and are part of current events. You've given the information now so why was it that it needed to be dug for rather than your free kush town read and your need to look at alak more read? | ||
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Holyflare
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On December 10 2013 16:32 xigxag wrote: I found them unimportant. Noting I had to say had been unsaid by the thread on the subjects of those two players. Things I had to say on Kush had been left unsaid. So you found the two players who have the most votes in the game at the moment unimportant to comment on at all? Are you just intentionally wanting to play oblivious to current events or what? You also mention in your entry post that Slam was "needed to be looked at more" and now you discredit that he could actually be scum too? Why is lynching slam not an attempt to lynch scum? | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:53 xigxag wrote: LSB already said it: both talky muchy neither swingy soony. Clear? That is all which was useful that I had to say about them. So why do you insinuate that you don't talk about anything unless it is vital to the thread that hasn't been said already but then you raise points about slam that he shouldn't be lynched and needs to be looked at. Why Slam over anyone else and how does that fit into this playstyle that you have created for yourself? He has been talked about quite a bit after all. | ||
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