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Balla24
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On January 07 2014 03:11 Derrida wrote: What do you mean by "sheeped"? Just reiterated what people said. "I agree with this, therefore I also think this is scummy" etc | ||
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I find it REALLY REALLY weird that Day_walker is your top town read, and that dragoon is null for you even though you were able to come up with reads on people with much less content (sidesprang, OWB) | ||
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Balla24
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On January 07 2014 03:07 Derrida wrote: TheChyz: responded exactly the way I would to Balla's initial aggressively-active attitude, so he didn't ring any alarm bells for me. Came through as a skeptic that got bandwagoned really hard for no tangible reason. Alert level: GREEN So what do you make of his claims that it was a ploy to catch band-wagoners? He responded exactly the way you would you say, which: 1. He has since retracted those statements against me saying he was trying to say something "trolly" 2. Lots of people have already called that initial response SCUMMY, which is why he was getting bandwagoned in the first place, so I ask you, whats your reasoning behind thinking that way? | ||
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On January 07 2014 03:07 Derrida wrote: Balla24: initially looked suspiciously scummy with what I thought to be an over-the-top aggressive style that tries to win credibility. So far only suggested cracking down on lurkers, which is not necessarily an anti-scum policy as far as I understand. Looks like much talk no action to me, high activity does not presuppose him being a townie. Alert level: ORANGE Ugh. Really sorry to keep harping on your post, but there are a LOT of holes, IMO. First off, you're doing the same thing Chyz was doing by putting words in my mouth (which again, he has since "retracted"). I didn't suggest cracking down on lurkers at all, I said I want to create an ENVIRONMENT where lurking is NOT a good strategy for scum, which I feel I have succeeded for the most part, that's why I keep insisting on having conversations etc... Secondly: You're really trying to say that's the ONLY thing I have done? Do you disagree with all my analysis of people or something which makes you write it off as fluff? I don't get it. | ||
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Balla24
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On January 07 2014 03:31 Derrida wrote: Well I don't really care if people dislike lists, it's a method with which I feel comfortable expressing myself in a concise manner, and I think it's a good way of firstposting. Other issues: On my re-read of the thread, my thinking/reads were really parallel with Daywalker's initial reads, that's why I enjoyed reading his what I thought to be a rather detailed analysis of the posts so far. Perhaps solid is not the best choice of word indeed. On the issue of coming up with reads on less content, I don't see the problem with this. With TheDragoon, I couldn't get any negative or positive vibes despite his post quantity. Onlyboywonder is pretty self-explanatory I think; he says he will be very active but is not. For sidesprang, I guess you could call it a hunch, it's just that his posts are without any content but he posts away anyway. somewhat offtopic: + Show Spoiler + is there a easy way of accessing people's filters, like i always go to some random page to find someones post and click his filter before I write anything, which is time consuming It's just weird that for OWB/Sidesprang which most others have been calling null you come up with something, but for dragoon (who most people are NOT null on) you call null. Do you disagree with people's reads on dragoon (Suki's, Mine, BigDads etc) | ||
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Yeah but why or HOW would scum have any extra knowledge about Asuna, besides Asuna being scum with them? Are you suggesting that Jonnylaw might be preparing for a buss? Are you saying you think JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna (Be very careful answering this question)? | ||
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On January 07 2014 03:40 chinstrap wrote: And since we're porbably waiting for Suki as well... @Derrida The reason lists can be distracting is because you can spark discussion around neutral people that just wastes time as there is no case there in the first place. As you came in late and read the thread in its current entirety (I assume) you have a slightly different view point to everyone else. Could you please expand on WHO you think we SHOULD lynch today and why? On top of this, I said it before and I said it again: ITS SO EASY FOR SCUM TO HIDE BEHIND. It lets people get away with very weak reasoning by just listing their fake reads.. it's literally the easiest thing to do as scum. Focusing on your most important reads makes your read and reasoning more clear because you can be more detailed. | ||
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On January 07 2014 03:58 theDragoon wrote: Like I said in my previous post, I don't know whether or not he has extra knowledge on Asuna, I just don't buy his reason to lynch Asuna. If his reason to lynch Asuna isn't solid, then why would he choose to lynch Asuna? I don't know what a buss is, sorry. I'm not saying JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna. If he did, then why would he want to lynch Asuna? Buss = "Throwing somebody under the buss" = When a mafia player attacks their teammate in order to gain town cred... To your last sentence: Because a scum would want to kill blues. Anyways, since this isn't going anywhere.. why did you dodge the "top 2 scum" earlier? | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 07 2014 03:41 Balla24 wrote: I'm not saying JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna. If he did, then why would he want to lynch Asuna? [/QUOTE] Actually, now that I think about it. This seems like a slip to me.... You've been implying that you think Jonny is scum, yet you very seemingly call him town here and don't even consider it from a scum perspective. | ||
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On January 07 2014 03:58 theDragoon wrote: Actually, now that I think about it. This seems like a slip to me.... You've been implying that you think Jonny is scum, yet you very seemingly call him town here and don't even consider it from a scum perspective. | ||
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On January 07 2014 04:14 Derrida wrote: @Balla, Balla's read: You first pressure Dragoon about his usage of "random accusations," which I interpret as a tactic of making him talk more. I am not the type of person that dwells on specific usage of words or concepts as long as I can get a feel of the general argument. Therefore, your pressuring of Dragoon on his word choices seemed unnecessary to me. I don't think you have any other reads than this unless I'm missing something? You correctly say that it's a tactic to make him talk more, but it's also just trying to keep people in check for things they say. He said something about random accusations, which I did not see.. therefore we had a differing opinion and he clearly disagreed with some of the accusations put out, I wanted him to come forth with his reasoning as to why he claimed there were random accusations going about. I don't see how that's unnecessary? But no, sorry you're right. I thought I had written a more comprehensive post about him last night  which I will do now | ||
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On January 06 2014 14:45 theDragoon wrote: Acting scummy on purpose is a bit of a stupid plan for a townie, all it does is put a target on your back and force you to defend yourself early, you might get a little insight into how people are reacting to it but it's a really risky move. A risk that a regular townie with no powers should be willing to make. A mafia putting his name out there this early is a bad plan if enough people jump on the bandwagon. I'm conflicted, all TheChyz has done is create confusion. If enough people get off the bandwagon and he turns out to be a mafia, then he's won and the risk he took with putting his name out there would be totally worth it. Whether or not it's true that TheChyz was telling the truth about the whole act like a scum thing, all it's really done is create confusion among the town. ##Vote: TheChyz I thought this end was pretty scummy. He admits that he can't decide whether or not he was telling the truth or not, and basically says "man even if this guy is town I would still lynch him". On January 06 2014 15:49 theDragoon wrote: That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum. This post was odd for me... to me Jonny was pretty clearly trying to pressure both Asuna and OWB and dragoon undermines that pressure by defending Asuna already. He goes off on Jonny for having weak reasons to lynch someone, so I asked him who HIS top scum reads are, because there isn't really much reasoning out there. He dodges. I ask again later, and he dodges again. That's REALLY odd. If you're going to call someone out for not having good reasons to lynch someone, then you need to provide a counter... It's pretty clear that AT THAT POINT in jonny's thinking, that's who he wanted to lynch, not who he will lynch at the end of the day. Couple that with the possible slip that I just pointed out, and I think he's scum: ##unvote ##vote theDragoon | ||
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