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On November 09 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote: but you're not playing. You don't know that ;] | ||
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don't out because I'm playing. I probably won't even post that much, honestly | ||
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I don't understand why it has to be this way, but whatever. | ||
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If I'm town, I'm the best townie in the game and am obvious choice to lead the D1 lynch. Being less interactive with the thread has always allowed me to be more objective in the past, and I won't be sitting at my computer posting for hours on end and losing my perspective on the game. No one else will simultaneously be read up on the thread as much as I will and also not be spamming ridiculously and losing themselves to personal arguments. If I'm scum, I will be obvious, right? ;] | ||
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Oh, and super is really good, but I'm sexier. | ||
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On November 15 2013 02:37 Hopeless1der wrote: yam's got my vote trololjk Speak of the devil! | ||
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On November 15 2013 03:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what ballpark am I in if im at the top of my game? I don't think I've ever seen you play to the best of your abilities. Last time we played together, all we did was call each other scum all game, ROFL. | ||
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On D1, I'll spend the entire day voting for myself as either alignment and doing my best to influence the lynch on whoever I want, which I don't expect to have much success doing. Basically, I'm perfecting a style that I think I can replicate as mafia easily and one that I can also use on a limited schedule like I have now. I need to drastically improve my play as scum anyway before the final champs game so I don't have to roll town to be useful. If you all start voting me because this is different "meta" like you did in the thug life game, I'll probably just stop playing here and test run it on a different mafia site or two. | ||
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Interestingly, town got destroyed both of those games. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote: That's not much of a running platform yam. Do you want to win this game? | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote: For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc? We could reasonably select mayors based on how much we like their lynch choices. That will be my main platform, anyway. Any political support I give should I step out of the race would have to be to a player I think is actually going to lynch mafia. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:38 Grackaroni wrote: LIES AND SLANDER. How dare you accuse an innocent GrackaPack of being mafia. I'm afraid I'm going to have to report your malfeasance directly to the Kushm4sta. Only he may decide your fate. Not thrilled with the kush as mayor act, honestly. The longer this goes on, the more likely am to take your scumclaim at face value. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:47 Koshi wrote: Can we lynch BH if he isn't totally awesome day 1? Like. I never get to see BH being awesome. He claims to be awesome though. You'll find that BH is really just an inflatable hot air balloon, when it comes right down to it. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:54 Koshi wrote: Yeah, I am not running unless I find scum and nobody else wants to lynch this guy. Then you can vote me and I'll murder him. Brutally. Also prior 1 is still scumhunting. prior 14 is townhunting for a Mayor. Disappointed. Why talk about running pregame and then not do it once it starts? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote: Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown. I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. vet circlejerking is also not in the best interest of town give me a reason to not want you dead before I ever consider you a real candidate | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: he said it when no one else was a serious contender. Im not seeing it VE What's the point of this, Oats? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote: Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ ..................................................................................................................................... | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:17 supersoft wrote: lol VE and yamato are pissed, because they're not considered to be serious candidates... No surpise. And not exactly protown. That is exactly how we should play. And your ideas are exactly the reason, why you're no serious candidate. Who guarantees me that you not just fold and leave the game after d1 if we elect you? Seriously yamato... Yeah, super's mafia. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote: I agree with VE. Let's elect Kushm4sta as Mayor and then allow him to exterminate the supposed Hiro Protagonist for his blatant anti kush sentiment. there's actually stuff you could talk about, you know | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see why anyone should want to be mayor without having at least 1 scum read. Talking about everyone so far. Why should we vote for you when the main point of a mayor is to 1. Lynch scum. 2. Be town. And 1 is more important than 2. None of the mayor candidates said who they want to lynch. because no one had really posted at the time? this is a stupid criticism what are you going to do D1, Oats? Run for mayor? Or elect one? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Not so fast super-friend. super is an arrogant ass regardless of alignment. We must continue to observe. Patiently. super's not this bad as town, is he? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:20 Oatsmaster wrote: The point is that VE is scum for giving you a townread off bullshit nothing that scum couldnt do. townreads are really easy to come by, especially from players you've played with a lot. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: super does stuff like say controversial stuff to see how people react. Is it bad? Who's to say? I'm willing to write him off as arrogant and observe others. What do you think of Oats and his blatant lies? Typical non-reading-shittalking? Or something slightly more sinister? so many people not even trying to play, yet still posting in the game actively At least Oats called you mafia, even if it is for terrible reasons | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote: All I see is dick measuring competition so far. that's a cheap cop-out you can actually be useful as town as mafia, well, let's just say you're living up to those expectations currently | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:27 Pandain wrote: Yamato is part of your play making people feel bad and then seeing how they react to being called out. This is out of game but I'm noting now you do that a lot. Or do you actually believe all your tiny reads you get in the early game. In large games, someone has to give the thread the correct impetus. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:28 yamato77 wrote: In large games, someone has to give the thread the correct impetus. And yes, a good portion of my play is being a dick to players and reading their response. Some people are just too content doing nothing or doing bad things if you don't say anything. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch: *We kill off a pro scum role. *It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging. But they won't get to vote for both at the same time, which is meh. I'd rather take a classic approach of whoever is second best candidate for mayor gets pardoner. Personally, I would actually use the role, so if you really think it is super anti town, do not give it to me. Back to earlier, why claim like you did? You paint a target on your back as town, which means that we are forced to either assume you are fakeclaiming or give you an elected role / allocate protection to you when it was unlikely that you would be shot otherwise. Dubious decision at best, malicious at worst. | ||
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This is a read I highly disagree with. Last two townreads out of you have been a bit dodgy ;] | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:53 Pandain wrote: I think he is instead more dodgy honestly. I like how out there he is putting himself early for a VE, I don't think short bad posts like that are really scum indicative; indeed more town indicative. If you make a bad post like "this guy is town" but then don't justify yourself when its not immediately obvious, you put yourself under suspicion when you wouldn't want that as scum. As town you might not care. I don't think he really cares that much to justify himself. I get more a town feel. I was joking, I actually think VE is town. The smiley was a sarcastic one. On another note, did hiro ever answer me about why he softclaimed? If not, he's mafia. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote: Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:35 austinmcc wrote: What claim? If you mean the cop buddies post, that was pregame, and referring to him and koshi being cops in whatevermabob mafia. I'm actually pretty disturbed that you didn't notice it, honestly. But I guess that goes for most of the thread, because you have all ignored it. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I think he meant before he got his role PM. "I think it's a good one" is, I think, referring to his plan, not the role. He said "a role" not "my role". It's a claim. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote: Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? | ||
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Pandain looks better than he did early game, but grack is still being a useless fuck and is in the same category as hiro. Super is more belligerent than I've ever seen him and also overall not seemingly invested too much into the actual game. His start to the game was rocky at best and he came under fire for it rightly so. His response was to OMGUS and insult the people calling him out, and then never to commit fully to any reads. Mig's one post was pro town but it was essentially meaningless. Of the "conversation" Moc talked about, this is the most interesting aspect because Mig never followed up on the question or offered his own thoughts. Perhaps he is a generally lurky player, but I expect better if he,s supposedly a vet. Oats and VE are my two solid town reads. Everyone else either hasn't posted at all or isn't posting anything I find alignment indicative. | ||
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Austin is now on my sketchy list for that read. gtg | ||
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Anyway, that's really my last post for a good chunk of time. At least 8 hours. So bye. | ||
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On November 15 2013 14:53 Grackaroni wrote: Mattchew did nothing at the start of that game. And I'm right that you should be looking at current games. Of course Mattchew is going to start off games more try hard in older games than in recent games when he has played more games . I think that's true for most players. This is true of Mattchew and precisely why I have no read on him, it's possible he could do this as mafia, but he's definitely acted this way as town before (almost to a tee), so there's little point in calling him mafia for it. Null at worst. On November 15 2013 15:11 VayneAuthority wrote: or maybe mocsta is an assassin, random long convoluted case on storrzerg that is about nothing if you read it heh Not a bad theory tbh, but I also have a 3P lean on Vayne both for this post and his lackadaisical attitude. He's probably not mafia, regardless. On November 15 2013 17:23 Risen wrote: Sleep. How I feel: Kill yamato, VE, and rayn. I feel like one of yamato/VE is scum and rayn is scum. Worst post in thread.  On November 15 2013 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Risen, why do you read Yamato VE as scum? Both are nearly universal town reads so far and I don't find them particularly scummy. It worries me that you haven't tried pursuing them when thread sentiment is in their favour. I think Rayn is scum. His nitpicking on HolyFlare's open post feels awful to me. HF's post was clearly not alignment indicative. Mayoral campaigns was something everyone had in the back of their minds when they signed up for this game. Obviously you'll already have thoughts of how to write it down. Furthermore there's lots of things stating the obvious. Don't like the ignoring of Risen either. Says he doesn't like people needlessly antagonizing others then proceeds to do it himself. I've got an opinion on the Mocsta vs Storrzerg thing but I'd rather give him a chance to respond first and see where it goes. Also hate Mig's opening post. More stating the obvious and no followup so far. I'll also support any supersoft lynch on the base of him being a dick. I don't exactly think rayn is mafia, but I can get behind everything else said in this post, and also subsequent posts. Super's play is strictly worse than attempting to be as neutral as possible. On November 15 2013 20:42 supersoft wrote: pfff always the same with you guys... this is a game. Play your role. Play to win. This isn't a forum to friendly chat with each other. this is mafia, you want to create an uncomfortable situation for scum. Friendly chatting with each other is a situation which is optimal for scum. Scum has to be afraid to post, because everything will be looked very closely. If you think it's okay to post things that are completely against your wincondition, you're wrong here and you're playing bad. An environment in which scum are afraid to post is one where heavy analysis is doen and townies start agreeing. Your attitude, on the other hand, is dead easy to fake as scum and also detrimental to the thread overall. It's really not worth reading your posts if you continue this path, we pretty much have no choice but to either ignore you or lynch you. On November 15 2013 20:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You realize that there's a bit of a gap between being overly friendly and antagonizing every single person you see at any given opportunity right? Posts like Are never going to help town because it's going to get a bunch of townies mad. People that are mad tend to not enjoy playing the game. People that don't enjoy the game either spam the thread to show their anger, making it unreadable, or cut down on their posting drastically. This isn't a game of extremes, and this isn't the first time people have told you this as you're well aware of given you started with "always the same with you guys". Perhaps some inner reflection is in order? People play games because they enjoy them. That's the entire point of the game. It's in fact possible to analyze people without being a dick. You just haven't tried yet. If you're willing to do that, then I'm happy to give my full collaboration. Unless you're scum of course, in which case you shall die a horrible fiery death. Also this. Note: I find BC's lack of committal to any read disturbing. He typed a lot of words, but did just about nothing. He took some strong stances, but on things that didn't really mean much. BC is on my watch list. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda think that makes him town. ... "interesting thought process" | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually Risen seems to have really paranoid reads as town day 1. doesn't help anything, really but you're right | ||
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I don't remember actually interacting with him, but maybe it impressed him or something? I'm also playing pretty townie so it's not crazy to mason me. ' Perhaps he thought he had to mason early to use his power at all, as Marv clarified was not the case, and then just sent in first guy he got a townread on. He DID say he was going to be busy this weekend. It's also kind of odd for a mafia player to do something like that which is so overtly attention-grabbing. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:56 supersoft wrote: hmm so you defended him? can you link me the game? I just want to understand his thoughtprocess. I agree, that you established your townieness well, so i don't disagree with his masoning choice. it makes perfect sense for a townmason. But i wanna doublecheck http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=LoneMeow Even better, he was actually the doctor that saved me N1 while not even talking about me at all. I guess it's not that inconsistent at all, really. At least we can reasonably assume he's not automatically mafia for this. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:03 supersoft wrote: You know, he obviously respects you as a strong townplayer, since he saved you the game before. Makes no sense from a scummasonperspective to mason a strong townplayer. I think the most reasonable use for scummasonpowers is to not use them at all. At least if you're lonemoew and not availiable for d1. Yeah I'm actually pretty sure he's town. I feel bad about outing him to the thread, but really, what are mafia going to do? lol | ||
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What's your read on grack? | ||
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Everyone is ignoring the fact he hasn't said shit all in actuality Wanna see him hang tbh | ||
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Seriously, let's do something useful. Most of you seem open to the idea that today should be about lynching mafia, no? And almost all of you think I'm town, yes? So why aren't you listening to me when I tell you that BC is scum? He posted things, yes, but he didn't discuss real reads and he didn't really take any stances about mayor or the hypothetical lynch. Also, you should all be voting for me for mayor by now. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey yamato do you agree with me on what i said about Grack? I'm markedly less concerned with track ATM than I am BC. I think I'm actually right about him honestly. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean right about Grack or BC? Yeah BC looks bad, but i don't think we should talk about him as there is not much to talk about unless someone disagrees. Whatcha think of Koshi? People do seem to disagree, namely koshi. Koshi is suspect. As mafia I expect him to post a lot of dumb shit and he's definitely doing that this game. He's not very lighthearted at all nor is he joking around like he does as town so it's not looking great for him. D2 lynch at best though. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:44 Mocsta wrote: no yam you may be a town read for me, but thats not enough to secure my vote. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further. it comes down to asset management. BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum. there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. instead of standing on the soap box. if you genuinely want votes from people such as myself, you are going to have to work for it. So you vote for yourself, as kush is also doing? Excuse me if I find you suddenly less credible than before. This is also a terrible argument. We lynch scum. Period. There is no "asset management" when it comes to lopping the heads off of mafia players. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote: ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. There are likely more town vets than there are scum vets, so it is actually worse for scum to lose what is potentially their leader than it is for town to lose one vet amongst five or six people who could reasonably lead the game. But again, I have never believed in putting off lynches just for vet status. This is a bad argument and I don't agree in the slightest. You're just giving them more time alive for no good reason. He has to earn the right to live in my town just like the rest of you do. | ||
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Because it seems like you agree that you think he is scummy, yet oppose his lynch on highly dubious grounds. If that's the case, I'll grant your wish and we'll lynch you in lieu of BC. | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:00 Mocsta wrote: wires are crossed here. I am completely against vets standing on a pedestal, or hiding behind reputation. I am also against someone establishing townieness and then trying to push a lynch off feeling. you haven't convinced me BC is the best lynch for today, and your approach is not conducive yo changing my mind either. That's not what you said. You clearly argued for vet protection for essentially no good reason. But whatever. What would you like me to do, point out specific posts where he says nothing? If you don't agree that he's essentially posting fluff, why don't you give your read on the matter? Right now it seems like you just want to play foil. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Austin I want to see sharrant post more before I make a judgement on him. I do this as someone who doesn't really remember his play from much (i dont read games I don't play in normally and hes never left a lasting impression with me) Risen however has made a post that I fucking loath. Anyone who cannot be bothered to read a game of mafia from start to finish when town should be fucking banned from playing. I seriously cannot get behind people who do this shit. No read on Sharranf, and a rather meaningless rage post on some arbitrary "he's not reading! Aaaaaahhhh!" Kind of sentiment. Blah. On November 15 2013 13:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: RNG is a dumb as fuck way to approach things. Also Storr cant play the noob card because hes not a newb. Hes been playing for ages. A player being mayor or not before does not mean they will make a good choice. Someone who is clearly making solid choices and decisions is who should get it. If storr thinks he can win with the "noob" card we should lynch him purely on the fact hes not new. Given that he wants to add RNG to the list as well then it seems to me like we have a good solid day 1 removal unless he straightens himself out Storr is not a nppb, so we should lynch him for saying he is and because he mentioned RNG. Post in question: On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote: Kill people who claim to be mafia claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active) hunt scum lynch them with fire Not exactly advocating RNG, is he? No. The rest of BC's filter is trash. Lynch this man. | ||
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Respond pplz or I assume you think I'm correct ;] | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:23 supersoft wrote: 100% agree. From a scum perspective yamato is no priority target for n1. He has no strong reads, no cases, he doesnt push the discussion in a certain direction, he questions everything always. He doesn't switch from chaos-agressive-start-the-game-mode into reasonable-direct-the-game-mode. catching up this is patently false, but I'll let my play from here on out prove that | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1 | ||
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If you want any credibility, I want follow up reads on Storr since he's been more active since you last accused him. On November 16 2013 12:23 Mig wrote: supersoft who do you think is scum/plan to lynch if you become mayor? I mainly just see you declaring how obvious it is you are town repeatedly without actually strongly accusing/building a real case against anyone. This is also something I want to know, because super hasn't done jack shit this game at all. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:49 Risen wrote: He made an equally "horrible" opening post in WHC. I'm not phased, and wondering why you are. Because if he does nothing all game, we fucking lynch him for doing nothing instead of letting him live forever as useless mafia like he did in Hogwarts. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:59 Mig wrote: If LM eats a bullet now yamato takes some blame. Wouldn't it be better for mafia to just not mention it at all and then shoot LM? It helps mafia none to reveal that LM is mason. It is just a dumb thing for a townie to do. LM eating a bullet is a win for town, it keeps other players alive. Masoning is mildly useful but not that necessary to winning the game. | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:02 Risen wrote: Huh? No. Lol. Are you trying to play the "too stupid to be scum" card? It would work if I wasn't in this game, but I am... And it won't. Are you seriously telling me you think a lurker mason is more useful than a veteran townie? | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:04 Blazinghand wrote: are you seriously trying to like backtrack how bad it is to just out a mason it's not even that bad. mafia shoot him, which is actually a good thing considering his otherwise lurky nature, or he lives and masons people and mafia can't do anything else about it I did think about this, and it is not a big deal at all. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hes been incredibly inactive and his tone of voice makes him seem like a dick, its a null tell Claiming he will use the pardoner role if given it is extremely anti town. No single player should ever use that role period barring some weird last minute mystery reason and outing a potential blue role before giving the player a chance to justify their actions is incredibly shady. You don't see a reason to reveal it? it means if LM eats a bullet yamato can claim "oops i fucked up" and be absolved of responsibility for the dead power role. Nothing you mentioned is anything aside from a null tell. A town or mafia member can spout that shit. "incredibly inactive" more posts than you, more time in the thread holy fuck you're just spouting shit reminds me of LXI regrettably, you're probably town for this | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:06 Blazinghand wrote: "yes" what you meant to say was "yes" be useful | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:13 Mig wrote: yamato do you plan on lynching bc if you become mayor? If not who? i have yet to get a good feel for the game yet I think I have to reread to have any amazing reads, and right now I'm too tired. I will admit, today has not been active for me and it won't get better until later. I'll say this, don't just elect super for no good reason. He's loud, but I haven't seen anything worthy out of him. | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:28 Mig wrote: Pretty weak, what you dont have any scum reads at all? I had some decent reads earlier, but I don't think grack or BC are scum anymore | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yamato reveal the secrets your masonry keeps hidden from the rest of us. TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LONEMEOW!!! he wants to know what I think about rayn i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote: That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions? there's not much to base it off of honestly, with how super and I talked about it earlier, I think LM is town and it's not worth fretting over | ||
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On November 16 2013 19:13 Spaghetticus wrote: Mocsta & VE What are your current plans for mayor? Who are you intending to lynch if you gain the position? Yamato77 Would you be willing to reconsider your BC platform in favour of Grack? If not, could you please consolidate your case on BC so that we can easily assess its merit? At this moment in time I am uncomfortable with your choice of lynch, but am comfortable with you as town. I'm working on my reads currently, but I explicitly stated that I no longer want to lynch BC. This feels a LOT LIKE LXI where BC was town and him and Ace (now ss in this game) were just all over each other with vet circlejerk. Funny enough, SS mentioned VE as possible assassin makes him more likely to be one himself, and Ace was 3P in that game, too! I don't really think either is mafia, anyway. Grack could be someone I would want to see die. He had some activity when BC accused him, but that was it and since he's been rather MIA. He could be just lazy town, but he's had way more effort than this in his past few town games. On November 16 2013 19:26 Blazinghand wrote: its because the theatrical release 1) ruined the MD Device 2) ruined petra 3) ruined command school 3 again) ruined ender randomly murdering people 4) ruined everything this is another useless fuck. Just like his last scum game, BH is doing nothing and getting ignored for it. If I had mayor, I would kill him. On November 16 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: Im still walking around the mall and posting as I see things in thread. Also I am serious you guys should vote me for mayor. That way the assassians bullets cant hit me. Just jokeing about the assassian thing, or am I !?!? But serious about the vote for me part. Onegu seems off to me a bit. He's really on this HF thing which reminds me a lot of how he tunneled people as scum in Desert. Plus posts like these that are jokish in nature feel a bit forced. Not enough to make me want to lynch him over the less active people, but enough that I think he should be seriously watched. On November 16 2013 22:47 Mig wrote: super can you post who your top 3 lynch candidates would be if you became mayor? Btw I find it a bit shady that Storrzerg's first reaction to me posting my notes was to ask if it was cheating. Seems like more of a mafia mindset than a townies which is more likely to read and comment on the notes themselves. I agree with this post. I think Mig is probably town. He's posted many things I find genuine and a lot of things I agree with. I had the same reaction to Storr's post there. On November 16 2013 23:20 Mig wrote: I have struggled to get over how ridiculously dumb the hunt scum/for scum point was. Also this. Moc is worth watching just because of how silly that was. However, I think Moc often forces cases even as town (Like Hapa does when he's town), so it's not enough. I think Moc's activity over the next few days will tell us more about his alginment. Austinmcc is another person I am looking at seriously. I remember him asking some vague questions to people and his slightly trollish style is one he can definitely emulate as mafia. He hasn't been very involved in finding scum, just asking questions and appearing interested. I don't think he's taken any stances himself and I don't remember of the top of my head who he wants for mayor. Will be filtering him shortly. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote: I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda think that makes him town. LM mentioned this in mason chat and asked me what I thought. Multiple times this game, Rayn has given out townreads on a whim, which some people have attacked him for. While you may not agree with his logic, I don't think mafia Rayn would just hand these out like candy, because he can't renegee on them later without catching flak for it. He's been consistent about his pressure on HF this game, perhaps to the point of tunneling. While mafia Rayn can defintiely tunnel, I think he's been rather reasonable about it despite his many posts, and it makes me question how I read holyflare. On November 16 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: And he can't get me lynched. Because i will not get lynched when i am town. This is also a small town tell, worth noting anyway. I don't think Rayn is a good lynch at all. I actually am on his side in the HF/Rayn debate. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz. Read his filter in Hogwarts. A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote: yamato, read page 4-5 from rayn his filter. You agree his case on HoleFlare is the best case there is? Is it even close to rayn level? Who will lynch rayn? This is bad, and you should feel bad. | ||
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Using that post as justification for a scum read on Rayn. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote: This statement isn't true at all - a BH who doesn't try is a BH. Not scum, not town. It's true that he HAS been scum and not tried, but he's been town and not tried too. I'm not going to kick and scream about a BH lynch - I'm just saying I think you're more certain than you should be. I'm not going to let him get away with doing nothing, and you shouldn't either. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Calm down dude. Though the game day draws to a close, the actual day is young. You shall have all you seek and more. I don't have time to wait. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE, Yamato, can I get any of you on board for a Mocsta lynch? Comment on any other of my reads and tell me why Mocsta is more likely mafia than any of them. Right now, I don't think he is. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:43 Stutters695 wrote: So I didn't realize this had already started, sorry guys. Power reading real quick. REAL | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi I don't support your reads. Skanj4b: nha Pandain: nha just isn't playing hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha. Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today. Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why? Koshi, please don't just tunnel Rayn. | ||
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On November 16 2013 21:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Votecount: yamato77 (5): yamato77, OOHCHILD, Grackaroni, Pandain, Spaghetticus VisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Coagulation, Alakaslam, Risen, StorrZerg, LoneMeow, Artanis[Xp] OOHCHILD (0): hiro protagonist (1): hiro protagonist Mocsta (1): supersoft (2): supersoft, BloodyC0bbler raynpelikoneet (1): raynpelikoneet Bloodyc0bbler (1): Mr. Cheesecake Blazinghand (2): Blazinghand, VayneAuthority Not voting (9): Mattchew, Sharrant, Mig, Onegu, Skanjab1s, Stutters695, austinmcc, Holyflare, Oatsmaster Election is in . Voting is mandatory. Currently VisceraEyes will be elected Mayor and yamato77 will be elected Pardoner! If you see that a vote out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it. All votes in italics should be scrutinized. CC in particular is someone I've overlooked. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Am I correct in thinking those are Onegu, Grackaroni, Holyflare and BH? BH, Austin, Grack, Onegu Haven't looked at holy yet honestly. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Dang good call. What do you make of people not voting yet? I find them more scummy than off-voters to be honest. Hah, there are a lot of inactive useless assholes in those 9, rofl. I think scum have no one to vote for so everyone is in disarray about what to do. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What exactly do you find scummy for Austin? For the other three, none of the things they've done can only be explained from a scum mindset which I feel is different from how Mocsta has played thus far. I can't see the motivation for his actions from a town mindset. Can you? I made a post about Austin. Mocsta is playing quite similar to how he plays as town. It's definitely not how I, or you, play town. He commonly forces things early and he often gets into spats like he did with you. I don't see much in his content that I find particularly abhorrent that I haven't already mentioned. | ||
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Skan, you're making yourself look worse, not better. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:07 Mig wrote: VE can you post your reasons for the people on your list? Yam who do you plan on lynching and why? I am most likely not going to be around at the deadline so help me out here. BH for being a useless ass. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:06 Spaghetticus wrote: Can you give me a real reason you think him town? Because at this point, with the size of his filter, it should be beyond question. What is so obvious to everyone else that I don't see? I don't 100% agree with his reads but he's been perhaps the most active player when it comes to actually moving the thread in the right direction. That, and scum VE does not have the cajones to run for mayor. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:11 Koshi wrote: Skanjabis is no scum. Why would he suicide into VE? It's not suicide if you say this. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:13 Koshi wrote: Does this read change when BH comes back and posts shit? You say that like you have confidence that BH is town and will actually come back and be useful. I have none. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:15 Skanjab1s wrote: Yo, hes totally run for mayor as scum before. Not in my town ;] | ||
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I'll be reading the thread until just a couple hours before deadline, and I would definitely not be opposed to lynching a popular scumread over my own, however, BH is currently my choice and nothing short of him beaming green out of his ass before deadline would change that. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:23 Koshi wrote: Vote me and show support to a rayn lynch. The guy is scum. Koshi, even if you are right, there are more mafia out there. I'll admit, he's not the towniest dude in the game, but I don't trust D1 reads on Rayn. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:26 Skanjab1s wrote: I like you for mayor koshi, but I doubt its going to be possible to get the votes off of VE/yam, I shall show my support for you nevertheless. What's your problem with me? I'm not the one calling you mafia, dude. I said you're not helping yourself by arguing with VE. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:29 Skanjab1s wrote: I think you are town, but I still think that the BH lynch is a 50/50 either way. I will be voting for you if there is absolutely no support for Koshi. It's a 50/50 right now, but by lynch time, it'll be more clear. I'm not JUST going to lynch BH. What do you think about Austin or Onegu? | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote: Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor. Why hopeless? I mean, he's always useless. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:40 Onegu wrote: Ok I just went and found a notebook, I will be going over filters and takeing notes for the next 2 hours and will then share my reads when I am finished. ALSO YOU ALL SHOULD VOTE FOR ME FOR MAYOR? ##VOTE:ONEGU More scummy than this dude? | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:50 Mattchew wrote: i would be completely ok with VE and YAM be #1 and #2 i'll vote yam for that reason Yam where you at with BC currently Read the thread. | ||
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Now, on to the posts I found noteworthy: On November 17 2013 03:58 Blazinghand wrote: Your wish is my command, it seems like if I don't yamato is just going to kill me so here's what i've been sitting on Oh shit is yamato actually going to lynch me ._. the people i have to put up with... Fine i'll solve this problem. I do don't lynch me I'm the Tracker Here's my crumb http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=61#1202 Sock head > sock is like soccer, which is known as football = football head Also the first word of the post is "hey" and you know who is referred to by "hey, football head!" that's right, it's Arnold from Hey Arnold. And you know who Arnold is? Yes that is right, I am the tracker, don't lynch me, you are all jubjubs for even thinking about doing it, especially you Yamato + On November 17 2013 03:47 Blazinghand wrote: I've played trolly and non-trolly as both scum and town. It's certainly not helpful when I'm a lurking troll D1 as town but it happens all the time and it's always the same conversation when it does. Here's how it goes. Some guy: hey why is bh so quiet and unhelpful? he did this once as scum, therefore he is scum Me, or sometimes someone who knows me: yeah that's not really alignment indicative. BH definitely CAN be lurky and useless as scum but it happens when he is town as well; and him being active is not a towntell for him either. Basically the only towntell for BH is him catching scum Some guy: but I want to lynch BH based on a poor understanding of his meta!!!! wahhh so in any case let me know if you want to have that conversation, again, with real words, or if this will suffice for you. Lynching me today is a terrible idea. don't do it. BH did nothing the rest of D1. ANYONE elected mayor should have killed him for it, yet VE killed Skanjab1s when he'd done way more stuff that made him look decent than BH. In fact, after I reread Skan's filter yesterday, I came to the conclusion that he was town. Hence why I tried to get him to do useful things. Notably, VE never actually supported his read on SKan at all and actually just straight up lynched him WITHOUT the analysis he promised he would give. Needless to say, I am suspicious of VE now. I thought he was town but since the early posting, he has done very little in the way of actually interacting with the thread, plus he posted this: On November 17 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone should vote for Supersoft. I'm not even joking, he's probably the only chance we have for getting an obviously town (to most everyone) decent analyst up in the role (no offense yamato) if we're for whatever reason having doubts about VE and BC. Why would a TOWN VE vote SS for mayor in this situation? VE removed himself from any scrutiny for no reason whatsoever. He did nothing substantive since early D1. I honestly think he lynched Skan because Skan was suspicious of him. Honestly, I would lynch VE tomorrow for how fishy this shit is. I also don't particularly care for supersoft and how he played D1 either: On November 17 2013 04:38 supersoft wrote: ----- lol, okay lynch me. I accept it ----- There are people not voting for their favourites, because they don't want to be in the minority. They even say that openly in the thread. there are people that claim tracker with some comic reference. There are people who are willing to believe that claim. there is yamato (Green but completely useless in scumhunting) is leading in votes... FOR A PLACE IN THE OFFICE there is VE who just refuses to teamplay. there is rayn and koshi who chat with each other and fill about 5 pages with accusing each other without ANY substance behind the accuses. there is grackaroni who talks in third person like a retard there is pandain who is masoned to me and who is obviously scum. there is Lonemeow who only talks to crazyyamato there is mig claiming scum with his terrible notes and his more than obvious lack of interst in this game - which can easily be seen, because he doesnt follow up any questions. i ignore his questions intentionally, to test his interest in this game. He probably just forgot about them, because he just doesnt care. Ah, yes, there is coagulation, who claims randomly medic. I think twice and beside that doesnt post anything reasonable at all. And then there I am, OBVIOUSLY town, and obviously without any protection n1, so all in all, it would fit the pattern of this game really nicely if you'd lynch me day1. This post is horrible. He gives a few reads here and there but it's really just campaigning for mayor the whole time. When asked later, SS doesn't even know who he would lynch if he's mayor, what the fuck? Didn't I tell you guys to pick mayors based on their lynch choices, and NOT on reputation? Yet, as VA pointed out+ Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 06:18 VayneAuthority wrote: that was never my reason, I don't see anything particularly good/groundbreaking in his filter, seems like he's sliding by on reputation to put it lightly Nor do I like how some people arrived at voting for SS: On November 17 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote: Alright you guys now that Yamato can tunnel too long. VE is okay but he's not the best. Supersoft can come off as brash but he's also town(anyone disagree, please tell why) and a far better analyzer. I'm masoned with him and think this would be best weapon against scum. This is after SS called Pandain mafia for sure (in that post above). Doesn't read weird to anybody? The interaction between these two is weird and so is the mason chat thing between them. Both mention it, but neither one says what they actually talk about in there, they just use it to justify their reads on each other. Fishy, much? On November 17 2013 04:43 Stutters695 wrote: SS for mayor imo. Out of left field. Not only was this Stutters second(?) post in the game, but I don't think he ever substantiated this. On November 17 2013 06:52 Sharrant wrote: Hurray! Supersoft hit the obv town button. ##Vote Supersoft OOHCHILD is very likely town. Looks exactly like standard Kush town play. ++ My thoughts on Hopeless haven't changed. Lynchable. - Completely null on Hiro. The fact that his plan was from before the game starts means he's said nothing alignment indicative at all. Can't really glean anything off of his tone either. 0 Storr looks bad but I honestly can't tell if it's new player bad tendencies, or mafia mindset. I'd rank him as slightly scummy, but my gut is telling me that he's a townie that just looks bad. :-\ Would rank him as a - but I'm not certain enough to lynch him. Rayn: Wanted to lynch him earlier, but he started doing some things that I expect from town Rayn. (The original suspicion was because last time he thought I was scum we had a very long back and forth that exhausted basically all of day 1. This game he went "post looks bad", but he then went on and got into decent fights with a few other people.) I think I'm back on the side of lynching him at this point. -- Coag is completely null, but if I had to guess I'd guess town. 0 I will be here until deadline. Sharrant has been floated as possible mafia, and for good reason. He said he'd "be here until deadline", but did little else to contribute. His reads haven't been consistent and he's been really inactive compared to how he usually plays as town. Needless to say, votes on SS come from shady players doing weird things. I agree with Matt that the wagon came about weirdly and should have not happened, yet it did. It LOOKS LIKE SCUM rallying around their only viable candidate. Shame on all of you for not voting me into office over these two players. As for SS's posts themselves, there are multiple times when he is asked about reads where he dodges or is subsequently "not sure". He gave that list post above, and then qwhen asked who he would lynch as mayor, he somehow arrives to the conclusion that MOCSTA is mafia. Conveniently, he does this to try to convince grack to vote for him since he sees that grack supports Artanis in thinking Moc is mafia... Austin (one person I actually no longer find that scummy, since his return to the thread and activity therein) asked this: On November 17 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote: Also super, I know your list includes a couple very low volume/contribution posters. Is cheesecake off the list because you think he's town, or just super duper forgettable and he should actually be on there? To which super responded: On November 17 2013 05:15 supersoft wrote: I don't want to kill someone who doesnt participate at all, these guys can be town or scum you never ever know it for sure. I know that if i get elected, I have to kill scum, to prevent the inevitable discussion whether I am scum for not killing scum or not. Yes there are still some of these people on that list, but I am here and I will work on my scumreads until the deadline comes. Which seems like bullshit, given that many of his scum reads are on people who are basically not participating at all! Why do the two elected people look so fucking scummy? Also, Koshi's bullshit like this: On November 17 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote: Va, rayn & yamato scumteam. What do you think? Makes him mafia. He has given no reason that I am mafia, yet he is accusing me. He seeks to discredit me multiple times in the thread and has posted nothing but drivel since making a "case" on Rayn. Koshi is actually mafia. Now, I'll read the other ~20 pages and catch up fully. | ||
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Vayne - not posting much but he's making more sense to me than I expected Grack - similar to Vayne, kinda scummy (activity-wise) at times but overall not how I expect him to play as mafia Spaghetticus - Doesn't trust VE, seems to be reading well, like his posts BC - We argued but he seems townish coming out of it, like in LXI Mig - Posts make sense, didn't look at notes but he seems interested in the game Coag - not posting much but he never does, basically trusting that he wouldn't post at all as mafia Moc - unusual cases but involved. Pandain - relatively involved, not playing overly trollish like Thug Austin - I like his return to the thread and how he pushes people for activity I have too many question marks, and even these reads aren't that solid. Anyone want to discuss? I'll be around sporadically. | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:59 supersoft wrote: yeah okay, i hope they really shoot you, so i dont have to deal with your bullshit anymore. I stopped reading, when you started making stuff up: I never said people should vote for mayor based on lynchchoices. I always said people should vote based on the townieness and skill of the candidate. I never said you said that. MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato have you realized austin does not really have any scumreads? who do you think is town and why? I'm really lost. I can question almost all of my townreads and I hate games like this. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote: Yes yam. You can hide stuff if you want, but I'm interested in at least a rough outline of LM in mason chat. Active? Good active? Beyond that, you found BC coming out of an argument townish. How do you feel about his play as a whole? He's not perfectly slotted into the "has a big townie rush then fades forever" thing that some vet players do when they role scum (can't keep the act going, just kind of ride a couple townie things until they get blowed up), but he's toeing that line. And I'm just not seeing much of substance from him, he follows grack and storr, pokes a little at mayoral stuff without doing anything, and gives a reads post involving the addition of BH and Hiro, who, no surprise, he's scummy on. They're not tough reads to just slot in anywhere. You cool with his specific play as a whole? LM has asked me questions but not much else. I'm just hoping that scum LM wouldn't mason me and praying he's town. Not amazing activity out of BC and his last reads post was ass but his confrontational nature toward me is similar to how he played in LXI when we butted heads. Could he replicate that as mafia? Possibly. Hence why I am leaning townish but I hjave doubts. Like basically everyone. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:16 LoneMeow wrote: What made you change your mind about Grack? Sometimes I sort of agree with things he's posted. Honestly, it's not a strong read. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: People i think are town: yamato, Mocsta, Onegu, Coag, LM, Risen and kush. Like who i can really say i actually think are town. Why do you think Onegu is town? Otherwise, I might actually kind of like this list for people to just not worry about until later. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu says exactly what i think. He is so right in everything he says. Examples? | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:29 Koshi wrote: Vayn, you just made a post that implied Onegu was scum based on the fact that rayn says that Onegu is right about a bunch of unflipped players. Classic scum Vayne. I wish you would stop posting nonsense. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:16 Pandain wrote: Lynch BH, then lynch Vayne. Good follow-up so far. Why do you like my follow up when I think the guy you voted for is scummy and I think Vayne is town? Did you even read my posts? | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now that's pretty bad comment yamato. Usually when Koshi is scum you have not been reading the thread very well.. In other words, you have been scum and hardcore lurking and trolling. So I don't read Koshi's posts? This is bad. I can identify a Koshi that is playing like mafia. On November 18 2013 08:38 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure I explained rayn scumread. The other ones are scum but not my main concern but sure: Yamato: Scum mayor but couldn't care enough to make it. VA: I feel like he is pushing an agenda. StorrZerg: I feel it in my gut. And this is how you do it. His reads are ass and I think he's mafia. On November 18 2013 08:41 thrawn2112 wrote: panda i'll vouch for bh. he's been townily cooperative in mason chat Notably from a player replacing an inactive fuck who has also done basically nothing. Watching thrawn, if he's not mega useful we lop his head off. On November 18 2013 09:20 Alakaslam wrote: Yes yes now help me lend you credence. Why on earth you do what you do? Slam was non-trollish early but I don't know what to make of the fact that I don't know many of his reads at all. | ||
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Of the two electeds, I like you more than I like VE, which isn't saying much. If we're both alive tomorrow I want to talk about our viscera friend. | ||
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