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do I have a better chance of rolling mafia by typing /in or by typing /replacement? | ||
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On November 13 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will tell you all now i will not run for mayor regardless of my alignment. Koshi will. well obviously koshi will run for mayor regardless of your alignment marv, how soon will you start the game after it fills up? | ||
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On November 15 2013 03:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what ballpark am I in if im at the top of my game? On January 05 2013 06:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Palmar Meakpak Foolishness Thrawn Djodref sentinal 2-4 are red. You can thank me later you retarded morons. Also, have fun killing players who were more useful than the ones you were listening to. Palmar is 100% red, as is Meapak. Enjoy faggots. Also I am a blue role, enjoy offing that too, however I am in your favour for letting me out of this mess. I was expecting a high end game to play not a bunch of trolls throwing feces. foolishness, thrawn, djodref | ||
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On November 15 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote: I called 5 scum out of six in a meaningless list post at the end of Personality 3. Interestingly, town got destroyed both of those games. how about you and bc just pm each other dick-pics and get this over with | ||
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On November 15 2013 04:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: wasnt this the game where I gave the town the entire scum list on my exit post as an assassin? and then town still lost the game? you were blue and got mislynched... this was the game where nothing happened D1 except for town palmar trying to lynch town marv | ||
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HEY KOSHI <3 | ||
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tell me if you're town | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would you tell your mason is masoned by someone? That kinda outs his role to the other guy.. hey why haven't you said hi to me yet? | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Nothing, you just replaced hiro who I considered heavily for lynch - please help me to not regret my decision. lol aight can you tell me about all the options that were swimming around your head during those precious few minutes after election and why you chose what you chose... basically try to vulcan mind meld me the state of your thoughts at the time | ||
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can you give me tldr of that and focus on what I asked for you to emphasize? i'm less interested in a play by play and more interested on who you think has been "active" | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:19 OOHCHILD wrote: thrawn you lazy mother fucker you cant even read that whole post??? i read liek 90 pages of the game and you cant even read one post. yeah I read it. i did not want him to tell me who lurked and who didn't, I want to know if HE has scumreads as per what I asked him to emphasize On November 17 2013 13:21 austinmcc wrote: First you want peopleabove the lurker threshhold and now you want active!? MAKE UP YOUR MIND. I CAN'T CHRONICLE THE HISTORY OF THIS GAME WITH BOTH THOSE REQUESTS (ACTUALLY, I CAN, BUT THAT WILL MEAN I WRITE TWO MEDIUM SIZED POSTS AND YOU SEEM TO PREFER A SINGLE POST) what i told kush. just forget about anything related to activity. who in your opinion has intentionally posted in such a way that caused them to avoid being talked about? | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:34 austinmcc wrote: People who have intentionally posted in such a way to avoid them being talked about....BH has posted in a way to avoid being ACTUALLY discussed, because he's just been trolling. dibs on BH I got this On November 17 2013 13:34 austinmcc wrote: If you're asking me for scumreads, I don't think the folks I look at fit into the category of posting a good bit but always slipping analysis. That just ain't where my reads lie. lol you should have just said this o.0 So where do your reads lie and what do you think VE's choice of lynch says about his alignment? i'm out for tonight. my only experience in a large game was as scum and the 100 pages of what austin told me amounts to a lot of trolling/fighting looks like a headache. hopefully 420 will help with that lol VE please bestow that mind meld upon me BH whats up talk to me baby | ||
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On November 17 2013 15:01 OOHCHILD wrote: why dont you answer that thrawn because austin is already super town I will once he's answered. I didn't like how objective his WoT post was, I was looking for alignment related information (his reads) but what he gave was more of a play by play of the entire game. When I pressed him for scumreads he gave me MRCC and rayn, and the amount of analysis he gave me to back up those reads pales in comparison to the aforementioned play by play. then there's his questions to you which I think he's being artificially stubborn with. I'm pretty sure I know what town austin tries to do with those and I would think that the answers you were giving him are more than enough for him to get a read. so yeah, fuck your super town read lol | ||
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what do you want to know about it? there are some things we talked about that i'd really rather not reveal but the gist of it is that he started off acting very wtf, so wtf that it's hard for me to see it coming from a scum bh. the rest of it was us talking about reads... in a one on one conversation I'd like to think that I'm pretty qualified to know if BH is being straight up with me, and he seemed like he genuinely wanted to talk about who is scum. On November 18 2013 12:26 Pandain wrote: It's not like scum only say scummy things and he has been more scummy then he has townie. He basically said Grack was scum(easy bait), cast slight suspicion on Yamato, and actually noting this it's pretty obvious he didn't do any analysis because he only went after notable people. And people who have been talked about before. You also still think Austin is scum and didn't explain can you explain your read on grack since you're going to call him lynch bait? | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:33 Pandain wrote: Austin has been fine. He has been pushing people and giving opinions and putting effort in. Without him thread would probably have like 20 pages less. tell me what you think about this | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BH is likely red given the fact 3 trackers would be a bit much. Also given his insane lack of serious contributions this game would put him very likely in the scum camp. you think BH as scum just lol-claimed tracker D1? | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:47 Pandain wrote: He's claimed survivor and cop before in scum games. were those similar to this game's claim? and please get to my post about austin | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:48 Hopeless1der wrote: So...Hi, I'm back. Whats up. hopeless! i wanna get this out of the way now... if you're town i'd really like not to have a repeat of how you played in WC2. alright? this post was a whole hell of a lot meaner before I edited it but I'm sure you know exactly what i'm talking about | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:00 Hopeless1der wrote: yes thrawn, though i must say i'm off to a terrible start. What did BH say about yam that he's referring to here? ...... why does it matter? | ||
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that is the "info" BH left with me but still, why would it matter? yam has already flipped | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:16 Hopeless1der wrote: thats sounds like a reasonably helpful thing for bh to say. You were saying he was townily compliant or something like that. How do you treat his claim? On November 18 2013 12:36 thrawn2112 wrote: what do you want to know about it? there are some things we talked about that i'd really rather not reveal but the gist of it is that he started off acting very wtf, so wtf that it's hard for me to see it coming from a scum bh. the rest of it was us talking about reads... in a one on one conversation I'd like to think that I'm pretty qualified to know if BH is being straight up with me, and he seemed like he genuinely wanted to talk about who is scum. the bolded. that's all I have to say about that. BH can talk about his claim if he wants lol I don't understand what the point of this conversation is. why are you asking me these things? | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:23 Hopeless1der wrote: I cant be sure that you think he's town or scum and I'm trying to figure it out. I'm also trying to get a handle on what the hell he's done so far. lol have you read my filter? do you *really* not know what my read on BH is? what is your read on me? and how does that read influence your read on BH based on what I've said about our mason chat? | ||
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And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: i dont know what my read of you is yet, but its leaning scum right now from how evasive you are being. A bunch of trackers flip and you can't be bothered to rethink whether BH is faking shit. I ask about information HE says he left with YOU and you're all, nah bro dont worry about it. dafuq LOL wtf... did you read my post? I even quoted it for you in case you missed it the first time around. I think BH is town for reasons I gave. tbh I don't give a fuck whether or not BH's claim is true because my read on him has nothing to do with that and BH has the most insane track record in regards to crazy shit he will claim and wtf how am I being evasive.. I told you exactly what he and I discussed concerning yamato. did you also forget to read that? and FFS hopeless whatever plan BH and I had to try and read yamato isn't even fucking relevant anymore what's your read on BH? you didn't answer that part | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:39 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm awaiting his return to find out what his "track" results were. so you're saying you don't want to continue this conversation about BH that you were so eager to have... well... then what can we talk about? who do you want to die? I kinda want to double lynch so which 2 people would you kill in that scenario? | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote BH HEY OATS how's it goin? fun game so far? | ||
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-you start a pointless convo with me -you ask even more pointless questions after I respond -I ask you for your conclusions based on my answers -you don't really have any? ffs dude | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: So rayn, the thing with me is that I think Koshi is town. So far when both of you are town, koshi can read you properly. So that means you must be scum right? Nope, I think you're town too. So its a bit weird. hey can you explain your koshi town read? I instantly recognized him as 100% conftown in WC2 and i'm not getting that same feeling here. do you know what I'm talking about? rayn touched on some of it earlier | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi thrawn, how is BH town? uh I'd assume one becomes town by getting a town role pm I've already explained why but I'm tired of doing so. He told me something in regards to his tracker claim that made me think he's town, and I'm gonna leave it to him to decide if he wants to share that with everyone else. I don't really trust people on TLmafia not to lynch him for what he told me lol BH get in here this is annoying | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:57 Hopeless1der wrote: you'll recall i scummily cited "internet problems" and "the weekend" for inactivity excuses. I'm sorry I havent been furiously typing away making the be-all-end-all case of the century. Oats is full of shit and I wouldnt mind seeing thrawn flip atm. But thats rage and indignation talking, not a real scumread. I'm going back to filters. lol u mad? or you mad? On November 18 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: lol come on dude. Dont you feel a responsibility to prevent what you think is a mislynch?? lol ok holy shit. bh told me he fake claimed because he knew he'd be busy soon and didn't want to be lynched. now personally I believe that, and I don't think a scum BH would actually say that to me. objectively it looks super scummy so that's why I didn't want to use that as reasoning for my BH town read, because i fear people here are dumb enough to lynch him for that. so don't. | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Very likely yes. He engages austin in personality 2 twice in very non confrontational posts then promptly ignores him for a few days. Anyone in the filter he partially interacted with and stress interacted with could potentially be red but it isn't a strong possibility. I'm looking for you to come to conclusions on who these people are On November 18 2013 13:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I think hopeless needs to honestly step up and honestly contribute something of value. His response to me of 2 days worth of reading summarized on 3 people in two sentences is god fucking awful. lol to be fair I gave him town points in WC2 for similar play.. and he was town. at one point he actually told me he didn't care enough to play the game | ||
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what I just told BC about hopeless was one of the ways he (hopeless) was obviously town in wc2... lol not giving a shit and being lazy is a town tell for him and shit like this: if he was scum I'd think that he'd at least have given reasons for his reads no matter how BS they might be, considering how much pressure he was under + Show Spoiler [to hopeless] + hey hopeless, if you are town then I sincerely apologize for being an ass. but if you're town then you should try to change your town meta starting this game | ||
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On November 18 2013 14:30 Pandain wrote: No because scum doesn't tell someone they fake-claim due to being busy. That seems more like a townie thing to do. earlier you said if BH is town then that changes everything about how you view the game. has it and if so how? | ||
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On November 18 2013 14:40 Pandain wrote: Yes I'm learning I still have a lot to learn i'm not talking about how to play mafia... i'm wanting to know how/if your other reads have changed or if you've gained any new ones as a result of all this | ||
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On November 18 2013 15:01 Grackaroni wrote: I still think Koshi is likely scum but I want to hear more from BH. I also haven't peeked into Oats' filter since the start of the game so I will take a look at him. you've had a decently long convo with him (oats) so what do you think now? btw I agree with you about koshi. my read on him right now is completely based off the super strong super townie connection I had with him in WC and i'm eagerly looking forward to getting to talk to him 1 on 1 to follow up that read. you were one of the people I was looking at pre D2 but with the direction mocsta seemed tobe heading I'm not so sure about that read anymore. I do have a question for you.... earlier you said this: On November 18 2013 10:29 Grackaroni wrote: It would be pretty cool if all the scum end up being the people pushing me. can you elaborate on exactly what you were thinking at the time you wrote this? obviously mocsta fits that category but who else? there were lots of people on your case, which of them are scum? you must have had a least a few people in mind | ||
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On November 18 2013 15:50 Pandain wrote: Hey man I was pretty certain he was mafia pandain can you answer this? On November 18 2013 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm not talking about how to play mafia... i'm wanting to know how/if your other reads have changed or if you've gained any new ones as a result of all this you said: On November 18 2013 10:53 Pandain wrote: Actually if I'm wrong about BH then I'm going to be wrong in a lot of stuff and have to basically rethink everything I think about mafia. hmmm this implies that a change in your BH read will greatly influence your thoughts on this current game. so has it? | ||
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dude this is 100% the type of thing that BH and I talked about in qt. you randomly go from serious to trolling and it looks like you're switching between them based on whatever is going to help you be ignored or not taken seriously. I asked you a question a page or two ago, can you get to it | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:25 Pandain wrote: No I meant how to play mafia and I would be wrong on how I approach the game and think things eh... that's not at all the impression I got from that post. regardless, has your read change on BH affected anything else about how you're processing the game? it seemed to be all you wanted to talk about so I imagine that it should. what is your priority numero uno right now? | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:26 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah let's do grack today honestly he's just doing this thing to stay off the radar. ##vote grackaroni yea ok so you think mocsta was bussing? | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:32 Grackaroni wrote: Pandain/BC/VE/BH all fit that category off the top of my head. Should actually be a decent number of scum in there too. here's the part where you elaborate on why you found their suspicions of you to be suspicious.... | ||
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i've asked you like 4 times | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:43 Oatsmaster wrote: hey thrawn has BH talked about who he thinks is scum or town in the mason chat? yeah. he spcifically asked me to give him names which he followed up on | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:40 Pandain wrote: stop I have no opinions on anything besides BH and SS lol at least you're honest about it you do know that at some point you will need to talk about scumreads? if you don't have any scumreads why are you wasting everyone's time posting about nothing instead of filter diving or whatever? make sure that your next post in the thread includes what I've asked for | ||
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On November 18 2013 17:55 Grackaroni wrote: I just glanced through BH's filter again and he made my case for me by including his normal breadcrumbs and how proud he is of them earlier in this game. BH's scum play is laughable. I have no idea what you're saying here. elaborate? | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote: That's rayn his point. BH says he isn't a tracker, but in the same sentence knows that he wasn't RB. How did he know he wasn't RB when he did no night action? Hi koshi! How are you doing? why can't you just sheep me like in WC2? BH isn't scum! | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:25 Grackaroni wrote: He didn't seem to like Artanis either but you are right that Mocsta actually does seem really angry towards me. lo grack wtf is this? are you agreeing with BC that you're scum? | ||
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oats read gracks filter. what has he done besides not commit to actual scumhunting and resort to trolling whenever people try to get him to commit to scumhunting? ignore mocsta. tbh I agree with BC 100% on his analysis of moc's posts concerning grack and BH has made good points about the possible interactions between moc/grack. but ignore all of that. what is your read on grack when you ignore all of that? @BC On November 19 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote: BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff? | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could people (especially thrawn) comment on Blazinghands sQumslip and if you think that's not a scumslip how do you explain it? If you have no answer you cannot tell people to look into Grack because if Blazinghand is scum Grack is 100% town because he was meant to be scumteams D2 mislynch. what are you talking about? how does that relate to this game? | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thrawn answer this post immediately. You are not allowed to call Grack scum until you debunk this argument. because he's not a tracker so everything he says regarding his tracker actions are bs /facepalm | ||
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blazinghand pls get in here pls blazinghand | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: HE SAYS HE WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. IN THE SAME POST HE RETRACTS FROM HIS TRACKER CLAIM? srsly you can't read or are you scum? rayn holy fucking hell. if you're town this game like i'm thinking then I'm pretty sure I will never misread you again. can we not have a repeat of desert mafia? can you stop being so fucking stubborn and spamming the thread while not reading anything I say? I've tried to talk to you about my reads in the qt.remember I said I didn't want us to argue in the thread, because I think you're town and I know from experience what happens when town rayn and town thrawn start talking? i've tried to talk to you about my blazinghand town read in the qt. you basically told me to STFU and that you REFUSE to think about any of the points I bring up regarding my scumreads or BH town reads jeez I need a fucking cig | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: You ahve been telling me to read Grackaroni. I am not going to read Grackaroni because it's a waste of time because all cases on him are shit connection cases based on that he accused Moscta of being scum (lol) and then Mocsta got mad at him (lol). Also if Blazinghand is scum which he is because he is one of these idiots making terribad cases on Grack and he scumslipped in thread, Grackaroni can't possibly be mafia. There is no fucking way mafia decided on N1 "let's all buss Grackaroni to the death". If you believe that to be the case you are either scum or need to seriously reconsider how good you are at mafia. yea ok "I'm not going to read anything you tell me then i'm going to demand that you explain your reads. then i'm going to refuse to pay attention to them and demand that you explain your reads. then i'm going to refuse to read them etc etc etc" fuck off | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: So unless someone makes a real case on Grackaroni (something that's not "he accused a scum dude who got mad on him therefore 100% bus") i am not willing to listen anything about Grackaroni. oh yeah excpet for thrawn. i'm going to ignore everything thrawn says | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:17 Koshi wrote: I am with you but I put it on 70%/30%. I need to known what BH said to thrawn. i asked him if he was really tracker because i didn't buy it. he said no he's not, and that he probably wasn't going to reveal this to the thread, but he only claimed tracker because he was going to be busy and didn't want to be lynched do you really think that scum bh would just tell me that | ||
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Who do you want me to mason tomorrow out of: VE BC yourself | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:28 supersoft wrote: We don't talk in thread about who to mason. I expect you to choose wisely. The fact that there might be a suicidebomber out there who kills me regardless of my vest makes me sleep uncomfortable! pretend that your answer is not going to impact my decision because it won't who and why? | ||
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So far your play since that conversation has amounted to: -stuff about moctsa that isn't really helping discussion -a post about why onegu is probably scum -a post about why onegu is probably town I asked you to have reads next time you returned to the thread. What are they? | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Thrawn dunno kinda leaning scum if he doesnt change his mind on Grack. Like I said earlier I do not believe that a town Oats would be as wishy-washy as "dunno kinda leaning scum" about thrawn. Then you told thrawn exactly what he needs to do to earn a town read from you. So wtf? Please help me understand your read because it looks like pure BS | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Thrawn I apologize for not ever providing that mind-meld you requested. I was balls-deep in a mayoral campaign, and then my power went out, it was just real bad timing and I wish I could have obliged you.  you can still do it now no? everyone has asked you for basically the same thing | ||
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bh claimed assassin to me in qt. that is the other part of the wtf-ness I mentioned when I first started talking about him. i didn't want to reveal that he told me this for the same reasons I didn't want to reveal what he told me about his fakeclaim so can we finally talking about him? sorry BH <3 | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Ninja'd so he CLAIMED Assassin to you in PMs? Like, that makes me think scum because he didn't do it in-thread. LMAO Oh BH, you rascal. he told me he was assassin and was playing scummily as he can without getting lynched. then he kinda backed down off of that claim and started acting like he's a tracker. THEN he told me he only claimed tracker to the thread because he was gonna be busy why would scum say shit like that? | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:31 VayneAuthority wrote: that's fine, if he turns out to be the assassin that's 2 more people out of our hair. Either way I think this lynch is pretty set in stone ##vote blazinghand that's ridiculous. why are you settling for what you seem to be suggesting is a non-scum lynch? | ||
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thrawn - BLAZINGHAND MUH NIGG WHAT'S UP first things first... you town? BH - I am an assassin and am intentionally playing as scummy as possible without getting lynched. The other assassin will be the one who never suspects me as scum. BH - I am the tracker. That is a legitimate crumb. I am hoping not to get role blocked tonight. Got any ideas who I should target? thrawn - @3 what? why would you tell me this? thrawn - oh nvm just now started reading op. i've never experienced assassins before the way it looks to me is that it's not necessarily anti town? or what? thrawn - eh this is fucking weird lol... no clue how to process what your motivations should be thrawn - OK two questions 1 why would you claim assassin to me 2 why are you intentionally acting scummy/trolly? isn't that sure to bring suspicion on you? why wouldn't you be trying to play townie? thrawn - wtf bh are you scum? if you're truly assassin I don't really know if I care about this qt any more, but what if i'm the assassin? why would you just claim it immediately like that? i'm having trouble wrapping my head around what should be your "assassin point of view" or whatever BH - OK in a hypothetical world where I am the assassin there's no way you're also the assassin, since assassins can't mason, right? So imagine I'm the assassin-- someone has masoned me. He's either town thrawn, looking for clues, or scum thrawn, trying to figure out if I should be NKed. If he's scum thrawn I want him to know I'm the assassin. This way he aims his shots elsewhere and makes it more likely that my DT check for the other assassin goes off properly. If he's town thrawn I won't be able to keep up the illusion of being the tracker in a 1-on-1 convo, so I will claim assassin to him and strike a bargain with him: I'll actually read and help him refine reads and give my honest opinion if he doesn't try to lynch me tomorrow. The other alternative is that I'm really the tracker, and am worried thrawn might be scum, so I soft-claim assassin in an attempt not to be shot. There's really no reason I wouldn't claim assassin, honestly. BH - Let me put it this way, thrawn. Whether I am telling the truth or lying, let me know two people you want analyzed and I will analyze them with the full force of the best analysis I'm capable of. If you have cases or reads your want opinions on, I'll be glad to help you out. Let me know what you need and I'll do it. thrawn - ight now i'm looking at panda grack and austin. if you only want two i'd say go for grack and austin panda and grack are the scum reads I picked up while I was skimming the game right after it started. you can see what i think about austin in the thread. I don't remember what it was I was thinking about panda, and i'm probably most hesitant about that read because what he's posted since i've joined has all seemed pretty carefree. grack i remember being useless and going on about electing kush, and there were some things VE pointed out (like how it's odd what he chooses to be serious about) that i agreed with lol at some point i will actually need to read pages 1-election page BH - I'll take a look. BH - sorry for the delay, had some IRL issues last night. looking now ;_; BH - yeah grack probably scum. he's a slippery one though, I doubt we'll be able to pull off a lynch on him today unless people are pretty smart. got any track ideas? thrawn - if i were tracker I might rng it between grack/austin. i still haven't read anything beyond what i mentioned earlier and all my other reads are town reads who do you think I should mason next cycle? what do you think about super, I was thinking about either picking him (if he is town I would really like to be able to trust and work with him) or one of the people that haven't really jumped into discussion and I take it that you disagree about austin and panda since you didn't mention them? btw I don't know what you meant when you said grack would be hard to lynch... i'm probably gonna put a placeholder vote down on him while i finish catching up thrawn - oh what do you think about koshi? I tried to incite some kind of emotional response from him but what I got was pretty underwhelming. he's so much more reserved than he was in WCII. In wc2 I basically knew he was town right from the start and that feeling never went away, i'm not getting that here BH - gonna check Austin. I think grack is slam dunk don't need a track on him. sorry didnt actually have time to dive Austin. koshi shows his colors over time ss is fine but also consider Also yamato. his anger might be fake; a qt will show. BH - OK sent in a track on Austin. I'll be back hopefully before flips. thrawn - lol yeah yamato sounds interesting if he immediately starts insulting me he's probably town BH - basically yes. thrawn - are you really tracker? and wtf you claimed that to the thread back in D1? WHHY? tbh i don't think i believe either the assassin or tracker claims... meh BH - remember that a scum yam will seem to have a different mood than what hr has in thread BH - honestly I didn't have much time day 1 since I'm starting at a new job on Monday. I figured claiming would buy me the time to price myself.I would never admit this to the thread tho lol. had to do a lot of phone post and read so far. I think I should be able to catch enough scum going forward to prove myself town. really though be careful with yam. town yam will see scummy for his anger. scum yam will seem townie for his reasonableness. don't let him mess with your head. 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On November 19 2013 09:55 Mig wrote: thrawn why did you decide to out him now and not earlier? because I thought revealing it would start a bunch of useless discussion about someone I thought was town. objectively what he told me "looks" really scummy, it's the type of thing that you lynch people every time for and that's a big part of why I think he ISN'T scum i'd hoped that he'd show up and show his colors... but this did not happen. lol it's basically a desperation move | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:48 Pandain wrote: Actually the fact you're so out of touch with what's going on in the thread is a bit concerning. Why do you want to lynch me why do you ignore my questions? what changed about BH for you? you've gone from "bh is scum for sure i have nothing else to talk about" to "bh isn't scum i don't have anything else to talk about" and back to BH is scum. what's changed about BH since when you decided he was town until now? the assassin bit? can you explain why you think this makes him scum? | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:56 Pandain wrote: Who knows and it doesn't really matter. Scum flips, superb and it leads to other places. Assasin flips; we get it out of the way, another person is gone, easier to analyze ?? yes it matters, and I want you to answer the question. after I revealed what he said about the fakeclaim you sounded really confident about calling him town for it. now you're saying it has no pro town motive behind it. so what changed? I don't buy the explanation you gave about the assassin claim because you clearly don't even care that there's a high probability that we might be lynching not-scum. did you read the mason logs? do you really think mafia would play so loose? | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:59 Pandain wrote: Do you think he's honestly town? He's fake-claimed twice, others have noted he's never fake-claimed as town before which is surprising but also relevant to this. Now he's fake-claimed twice. I don't disagree he might be town, but it would be bad town play to not lynch him I really don't know at this point. It's a toss up between town and assassin. I started off thinking he's town but with how long he's been gone I'm starting to believe what he said about trying to play scummy intentionally. this is not about what is good or bad town play. this is about what your reads are and what is the best course of action for this game in a vacuum | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:54 Pandain wrote:If you're fake-claiming for no town reason then that only leaves scum reasons. This is what I want you to explain. Last night you had a completely different opinion about BH's motives to fakeclaim. My reveal of his fakeclaim made you 180 on your read. But now you say fake claiming serves town no purpose. So which is it? Go back and read the mason logs. Read his post where he explains why he claimed assassin to me. No town reasons? Or even no assassin reasons? | ||
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@ all BH voters: ""When it comes down to it, Grack has done almost nothing today that merits the townreads or at least "let's lynch him later" reads that he's earned from people. People say my case on Grack is bad because he's an "easy target" but let's be 100% real here, that's pretty much the same as saying my case on Grack is bad because Grack is probably scum. Like "easy target" = "scummy". In fact, the majority of my case on Grack has to do with the fact that he's not an easy target, that when you reach out to grasp him he slips through your fingers like smoke and vanishes like a whisper on the wind, as quickly gone as an idle daydream but as firmly remembered as a summer's romance. "" in order of likeliness scum are grack pandain (one of HF or Austin, their mason chat was way too friendly and I don't detect any real suspicion coming from either of them) oats grack for reasons BH gave pandain because his stance on BH throughout D@ has been ridiculous and he has nothing else to talk about oats because town oats would never think i'm scum | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:16 Holyflare wrote: He's so tunneled that he lies because he see's what he needs to see to make someone look like scum. He asked me to look at witchcraft 2 as an example of how hopeless plays town: The link is Here!. This is quite clearly a town hopeless that I can see in this game. Not only does he make longer winded posts with actual information in them but this was also a game that he had replaced into. I can quite clearly see content in that game which is non-existant in this one. so you're saying he's town then? why are you trying so hard to discredit him? I completely disagree with your hopeless read. Go look at that same game, wc2. Both rayn hopeless and I were all in it. What did hopeless do whenever I or other people call him scum? What did hopeless do earilier in this game whenever I raged at him? | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:22 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2013 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote: and thats my queue to delurk. Since thrawn posted his case on ET its gained very little traction, and no on has been willing to call me out for being afk for more than 24 hours. For the record I'm only up to page 25/45 (the game before I replaced ET) but I also read cephiro's great-wall-of-WoS-is-scum post, so thats my excuse. Regarding Koshi's recent posts...does that almost confirm him as town since scum dont get witchcraft votes? So far, I have townreads on enough of the playerbase that lynching into my unknowns (assuming my townreads are right) would win the game by sheer numbers. The top of my would-lynch list is sylencia. This is partly OMGUS for him voting ET=me and partly what he's done today that thrawn already pointed out + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote: I am still wanting to lynch Onegu but I want to talk about syl because I'd like him to be a possible lynch candidate as well. Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day during d2 sylencia says this Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2. He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is.... oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him" why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate. Others on my would-lynch list are umasi onegu and sn0-man, in no particular order, with no particular reasons than that I haven't found compelling reasons to call them town so far (Again, only up to page 25/45 at the time of this post) On November 09 2013 01:10 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Sn0_Man The silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates All point to him being scum to me. The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote: 1 more or something lol this is awful Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: wat a shocker team ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow. 'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM? There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace: + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: R U scum? I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply: On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green. U haz moar questions? His response: On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything. I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant. Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK  For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do? Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target. On November 13 2013 12:08 Hopeless1der wrote: @Sn0 Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!" (previous installments include WoS makes up shit Parts 1 and 2) Are you sure you have read the thread? I've been saying you and Syl for a long time, basically from the moment I replaced (and caught up). I know I backed off syl for a bit but that was before a)koshi flipped and b) rayn gave Umasi a greencheck I will not consider voting the "other person" unless thrawn and rayn decide to go after syl instead of you(/me) today. @Thrawn what, having no reads and running around chasing my own tail? Aside from a slight diversion for thinking syl was too dumb to be scum, I've been consistent and assertive in stating who I think is scummy and who I want lynched. Furthermore, the consensus comes down to scum being Sn0 + (Me/Sylencia). So, while I can appreciate that you are not able to verify my role PM, my attitude of "lol game solved" is absolutely appropriate given the knowledge that I would be expected to have.(or pretend to if I were scum). I will concede that I have not been proactive about getting my scumreads lynched so I'll have to get to work on that. Sn0_Man To start with, do you recall Sn0's "Onegu matryrs as scum" debacle? I've spoilered the relevant quotes. + Show Spoiler + The bolded red in this quote On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates The next whole quote belongs in an IHOP On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays. I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now. Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right. Note the emphasis on Onegu martyrs AS SCUM all the time On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out. I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Now see his response when I tell him to PROVE its a SCUM-ONLY trait for Onegu + Show Spoiler + On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote: Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town. On November 09 2013 01:18 Sn0_Man wrote: Well you aren't reading. I say he does it as both alignments. I've played with onegu as town and scum multiple times. He plays very similarly as both alignments and he's always the last scum to die. I've lost to his scum. If other people think he is scum, I am going to lend weight to their arguments because I have no reason to believe otherwise. But he JUST finished saying Onegu is scum because he martyr's as scum. Now he's saying Onegu martyrs as town as well. Then why in the hell is Onegu a scum-read? btw, from Onegu's filter with regard to this issue: On November 09 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote: This is the first time I have martyred as town, and I dont martyr all the time as scum I think I have only done it twice as scum and I never self voted. ...from Onegu's own mouth. He has never martyred as town before this game. Now he could very well be mistaken, but I'd like to believe Sn0 is full of it rather than believe that Onegu misunderstands what martyring is. So there's that issue fleshed out more thoroughly. I touched on this in my earlier case on Sn0 which is spoilered here if you'd like to re-read it: + Show Spoiler + ##Vote: Sn0_Man The silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates All point to him being scum to me. The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote: 1 more or something lol this is awful Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: wat a shocker team ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow. 'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM? There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace: + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: R U scum? I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply: On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green. U haz moar questions? His response: On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything. I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant. Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do? Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target. I'd like to add to this, why is he upset that I answered his question? Was I not supposed to see it? Like...what exactly was the "town" response he was looking for there? Ignoring him completely? His post in response to me is just noise and reaches no conclusions, as usual. Next, something Thrawn pointed out in blue, and obviously the relevant scum association in red: You know...I could write something up, but I'd much rather you, the reader, go into Sn0's filter, hit All and then Ctrl+F for 'Vanesco' and 'syl'. Read each quote up to the 7th time each name crops up (So ctrl+F 'vanesco', read quote, hit next, read quote etc. until instance #7 then repeat for syl). Let me know if you found the statement in red from the above quote convincing. In fact, here is his filter, already set to 'All' mode. Okay, so you did that right? Checked his filter out? Good, now go ahead and open the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + There was not a whole lot of reasoning for Vanesco and I'll be damned if I saw anything concrete about syl, but you can be sure of one thing: Sn0 said On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum. ##Vote: Vanesco I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc. A better lynch to be more precise. i.e. calling him scum. So how come he later on says On November 13 2013 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote: Yeah u changed avatar now we can't be Templar friends I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game). Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not... How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something. Sn0 LITERALLY said he thinks syl is a better lynch than Vanesco. In what universe does that not equate to a scum read? How many times has Sn0 made a waffle and on how many players? It'd be one thing if he was pursuing leads on a scum read, but again, Thrawn you already hit this point:+ Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote: snoman like every single post you've made today has been something like words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words but on the other hand words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words null tell or nvm Its not just today though...its everything he's done all game. The only thing he was consistent on was OO being scum. Oh, and that OO died to a Silver Bullet. Because scum-reads are most likely to be elected as blues and then shot by the witchhunter in Sn0_Man's head. wat. Obviously, I'm a little confirmation biased, so I've spoilered the following statements from Sn0's filter that left me wondering what the hell is he doing? + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: PS Theres 0 fucking way koshi is shot if i'm scum I think. wat? + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:15 Sn0_Man wrote: Every post i've made has been legit. Nobody reads them though because you all have scumreads on me for no fucking reason. The fact that I haven't solved the game 100% is PROOF IM FUCKING TOWN since we are at MYLO if i'm scum I just ahve to commit to 1 mislynch and win. READ VANESCO PLEASE PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game. wat + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:28 Sn0_Man wrote: I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there. Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination. Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1[*], doing my best to discuss onegu day 2[**], actually voting for scum d3[***], etc... You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread. * i.e. Nothing. p.s. I replaced in Day2 ** Remember how he martyrs, all the fucking time? u gaiz? he so martyr ***+ Show Spoiler + On November 12 2013 00:32 Hapahauli wrote: Vote-Count: Day 3 Vanseco (6): Thrawn2112, Umasi, Koshi, Sn0_Man, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der Sn0_Man (1): Vanesco, Cephiro (1): Sylencia Not Voting (1): Cephiro Currently Vanesco is set to be lynched! 5 votes are needed to lynch. The deadline is in @ Monday, Nov 11 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Make sure to PM your ONE witchcraft vote to both Blazinghand and Ange777 by the deadline. + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2013 07:29 Sn0_Man wrote: PS by scum whispering that I mean Onegu and ET/Hopeless unless that isn't clear. On November 09 2013 07:00 Blazinghand wrote: Onegu the Acolyte has been elminated! ![[image loading]](http://cdn.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/jpg/misc-you-dont-say.jpg) where is the effort in WC2? I mean look at this shit: On November 11 2013 07:35 Hopeless1der wrote: sorry thrawn I cant bring myself to give a shit right now...this setup should probably be invite-only from here on. I don't think you can count what he did during mylo because mylo of that game and D1-D2 of this game are completly different scenarios. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:34 Holyflare wrote: he puts some contribution towards the game as town, even if he did nothing for 2 cycles (pretty much what he's done day1 here), he came back into the thread and delurked to give reads and information, there are lots of longer posts that detail things compared to this game where there are none. eh. I can see what you're saying here. But since this case is based on meta, can you go look and see what he did in WC2 when he got called scum? I think it was right before his big burst of energy at the end. What he did there he does in all his town games. When I was yelling at him earlier my anger was partially faked, I was trying to see what reaction I could get out of him. Compare that reaction with the reaction that I asked you to look up in WC2 | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:46 Grackaroni wrote: Is thrawn normally good at this game? I don't see how anyone can legitimately believe BH has a valid case. this is what BH's case is talking about... how ironic occasionally serious when he needs to push his agenda but include just enough trolling so that nobody is gonna take him seriously | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:47 Holyflare wrote: Also, rayn, a point on your pandain case that I would like to explore some more is in fact austin. We can do that whenever you want though as you've just posted about Pandain. what was your impression of austin's impression of you throughout your mason chat? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote: This game is almost unreadable. I just skimmed through the last 20 pages and there is no content. It's just a huge monologue of rayn. I have to think about that. Maybe i'll do it in my next scumgame. WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. supersoft! ignore everyone else. if you really think that rayn is cluttering up the thread then stop talking about him You thought BH was assassin before I posted his claim right? Do you still think this? Why aren't you trying to save him? Oats is probably not getting lynched at this point. The only other two viable lynches seem to be pandain and bc. A pandain lynch would make me a happy thrawn. I might be willing to consolidate on BC but it's not likely unless he's the only alternative to the BH lynch. I really liked his analysis of the mocsta/grack situation and there's been a few other times where his thought process has lined up with mine. lol actually no i'm not lynching BC. imo he's the towniest out the vet group and I distinctly remember marv participating in a heated discussion about balancing teams can everyone on BH look and panda and grack one more time? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:40 Pandain wrote: I don't doubt that SS, BH deserves to get 100% lynched. Can you walk me through your thought process on BH again? I want you to start from the very moment you were suspicious of him, and include any and all times that your read changed and why. the way you say he "deserves" to get lynched suggests that you know he aint gonna flip red | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:48 Pandain wrote: Thrawn we have talked about this way too much. I'm not going to change my mind. at this point i'm more interested in trying to get a read on you than what you do with your vote. the reason I keep asking you to talk about this is because I'm still having a hard time seeing wtf your thought process actually would be if you're town so just indulge me, ok? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:51 Holyflare wrote: That's the biggest thing that makes him NOT town. why is BC scum? explain it in 3 sentences or less. btw I don't think you answered my question, about "what is your impression of austin's impression of you during your mason chat" | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote: I'm popping in and should be here til deadline. Had a surprise preliminary job interview and prep for that. Thrawn, if you're around, since I summarized D1 for you, will you summarize anything important from D2? Reading now. lots of talk about BH. anything that isn't about BH usually gets drowned out by more talk of BH can you asnwer the reverse of the question I asked HF about your mason chats? do you think he was sincerely trying to figure out your alignment? | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy shit. I definitely know what outs austin as scum now. I don't wanna tell it though haha. I can tell you he is 100% scum. Lynch him the next day. Or vig him during night. That dude is scum! ^^ lol respond to my qt posts | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:37 austinmcc wrote: Oh hi rayn/thrawn log. Thrawn, can you...can you explain to me a couple things? (1) How the me/pandain not giving reads thing worked for you, just...stream of consciousness throughout game? (2) Do you remember Mocsta in Newbie 37? (3) If so, Y U NO SAY SOMETHING? (4) If you read Newbie 37 filter, do you still agree 100% with BC's analysis of grack/mocsta? (5) If yes/no, why? And what does it say about BC to you? (1) I don't know what you mean here. I did make that joke about pandain being honest but it wasn't really anything more than that, a joke. If you look at the rest of my posts and my D2 vote I definitely didn't let him off the hook like you're suggesting (2) lol no (3) null (4/5) i'm way too lazy to read that game and besides that I don't see what scum newbie mocsta has to do with this game's mocsta. and can you or somebody else explain what's so bad about BC's analysis? this is what seems to be the core of it: "I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality." 1 mocsta is scum... his flip confirms this 2 grack is scum... he is unflipped but I hope to finally get people to reevaluate him now that we can talk about non-bh stuff 3 if # 2 is correct then it would make PERFECT sense that mocsta decided to buss grack go read grack's filter up to the end of N1. pretend that grack is scum and pretend that you're scum mocsta. does BC's stuff make sense now? speaking of reading grack's filter, can everyone go read grack's filter? people said they would do that if BH doesn't flip scum and I don't see that happening | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:48 austinmcc wrote: Hey thrawn! Can you talk to me/us about your BC read? ask me every question you can think of regarding all things BC and i will promise that I will give you my exhaustive analysis tomorrow i got stuff to do + this game is annoying me so much i don't want to put any more thought into it atm | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:04 Koshi wrote: Nobody except some guy. I know rayn is scum. Can you sheep me this game? have you read our qt logs in their entirety? i'm deferring to my instincts here, especially after my BH mason experience. but please explain your reasoning, I am intrigued On November 23 2013 07:04 Mig wrote: Hey thrawn can you explain why you have been awol completely from this game yet continue to post in your other game? it's a combination of losing interest and special tactics Give me a bit to catch up. | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:24 Koshi wrote: There are more little things but I think this is good enough to sheep me? Koshi I do not think rayn calling everyone scum makes him scum :p Your argument seems like it's mostly "rayn's play has been anti-town, so he's mafia" ... I come to the exact opposite conclusion. I think his play looks a lot more like destructive town rayn than cooperative agreeable WC2 scum rayn | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:09 Pandain wrote: I also haven't done anything, doesn't mean I'm scum. You were extremely good day two when you replaced in and there's little reason to assume your scum in my eyes But you didn't start doubting my alignment during this cycle? Ever? You didn't even answer the question, I'm trying to figure out what your thought process has been. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:15 Koshi wrote: Can you just sheep me and love me afterwards? koshi i would love nothing more than to sheep you because I have 0 idea who else to vote for but I just don't find your points convincing. pretty much everything you're descridbing as points against him are things I attribute to town rayn's play | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:18 Pandain wrote: No there's bigger people to fry then a person who started being less townie then he was day two that is not the issue... I don't have a problem with you deciding "maybe I'll just ignore him for now." My problem is that you never once thought "hmm maybe this afk guy isn't as townie as i thought" regardless of who you decide to vote for. | ||
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AUUUSTINNNN you're like confm town to me wtf should I do? I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:59 austinmcc wrote: Why am I confirmed town now? Also, on a more serious note if you're town. OH MAN LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST POSTED SORT OF A READ ON A PLAYER UP FOR LYNCH WITH A JUSTIFICATION THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU DECIDE WHO TO LYNCH. You have now removed Risen from your possible voting options. If you look at BC, ss, oats, maybe a little rayn and a little of koshi's stuff on rayn, I bet you can totally get through a couple of those people and find reasons to vote or not vote them and then put that in the thread and vote accordingly. I completely disagree with what koshi is saying about rayn. BC.... I just don't fucking know, I was really convinced by his D2 angry posts and I've liked him for being on this same page as me during that time.. but after I came back from afk he was the first person I read and his latest posts (conversations with Mig) are completely different in tone to the posts that I liked him so much for earlier. I want him to answer this before I decide: On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote: BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. I haven't looked at oats/ss yet so I'll do that in the meantime | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:07 austinmcc wrote: (You should also say why I'm confirmed town to you) It was how you reacted during the latest resolution period and some other things I talked to rayn about in our mason logs. I pay very close attention to people's reads on me and I can completely see where a town you would be coming from. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Which questions thrawn? On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote: BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. you do sorta the same thing to mig in your read list | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play. Albeit I think my read of him is far less solid then it once was which is why he is now so far town on my scum list. He should be offed only after the first 4 + oats. Simple. I harassed him on his night actions, and i wasn't satisfied with the results, but at the same time the way he has played over this day cycle has been really solid aside from those interactions. I think his night actions are suspect, I dont like how he responded, I also don't like that he isn't being a more vocal and active voice in the game. Overall hes way too passive for what I know he can do and should be doing. ..... but what's your read on him? "My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play." Idk what alignment that is | ||
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On November 23 2013 14:28 Onegu wrote: So I can tottally see a scum Koshi pushing for a town rayn lynch so he can go post game I got you because of thier history, and because of this he makes sure austin hammers him. HF you bus as scum, yes the situation was different but that doesnt change the fact that YOU CALLED ME SCUM DAY 1 WHEN WE STILL HAD 6 SCUMMERS IN HOGWARTS. /dunked Talk to me about your koshi read. The part I bolded is just ridiculous reasoning. You have been townreading and buddying rayn so why did you not speak up for him at all when he was getting lynched? | ||
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On November 23 2013 14:45 Onegu wrote: I did. And that resoning isnt bad its something scum koshi would do to town rayn. I still want you to walk me through your koshi read. I looked through your filter and up until page 6 you aren't calling him scum. Then on page 6 there's this: On November 23 2013 02:27 Onegu wrote: Koshi rayn just fliped b2b mafia you should check his filter there and compare to this game. He does the same things, changes his reads, sees scumslips, votes other than his scumslips. Im certain rayn is town. Im still reading but you wanting to lynch VA was terribad, id believe you were scum before rayn. Also this game gives me a headache for some reason. On November 23 2013 02:42 Onegu wrote: Koshi calling me out for not posting here much is BS also, it was N2 here and I am VT while it was D1 there I wonder where someone is going to post more? Hrmmm.... And then I had irl stuff and didnt post in either game. I am going to vote koshi as one of my votes I think. You start off by talking to him about rayn, telling koshi to compare meta etc. Then you go "id believe you were scum before rayn" but don't explain why. In your very next post you OMGUS koshi for calling you out for activitey... and then decide you're going to vote him? Where did your koshi read come from, because up until these posts you had been talking to him in a cooperative way, as if you thought he was town. And can you explain the purpose of both of your final votes? BOTH of your votes are on candidates with 1 or 0 votes. Why were you throwing away your votes? | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:32 Onegu wrote: Im caught up and I swear this is the biggest clusterfuck game I have been in. So many lies, fakeclaims, BS arguements about irrelevant stuff. Look I had irl stuff had havent posted in either game for the last 20 hours or so. I somehow keep getting the feeling that BC and Mig are town, I believe Migs claim and shot, but I kinda like BCs posts in the last day. I also agree with him on a few things. So you wanted my list but I have to add a null section because a few people I just cant read atm. Very townie: Rayn, VA, Slam Leaning town. BC, Mig, thrawn, Mr. CC, LM Null: Coag, Hopeless, pandain, oats, SS Leaning Scum: Grack, risen Very Scum: Austin, Koshi, HF ##VOTE:KOSHI ##VOTE:HOLYFLARE "I somehow keep getting the feeling that BC and Mig are town..." This is all you had to say about the main lynch candidate? That you think he might be town... but you're not going to go to any efforts to explain why and try to save your townread? | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:32 Onegu wrote: Im caught up and I swear this is the biggest clusterfuck game I have been in. So many lies, fakeclaims, BS arguements about irrelevant stuff. Look I had irl stuff had havent posted in either game for the last 20 hours or so. I somehow keep getting the feeling that BC and Mig are town, I believe Migs claim and shot, but I kinda like BCs posts in the last day. I also agree with him on a few things. So you wanted my list but I have to add a null section because a few people I just cant read atm. Very townie: Rayn, VA, Slam Leaning town. BC, Mig, thrawn, Mr. CC, LM Null: Coag, Hopeless, pandain, oats, SS Leaning Scum: Grack, risen Very Scum: Austin, Koshi, HF ##VOTE:KOSHI ##VOTE:HOLYFLARE Look at his reads list... he has the two lynch candidates as town... but how much effort does he put into trying to save them? Close to none with rayn (who only got lynched because of BC but he was still a person people wanted to kill) and absolutely none with BC. After not trying to save his town reads... he completely throws away his votes. On November 23 2013 10:02 marvellosity wrote: Holyflare (1): Onegu, austinmcc (1): Onegu | ||
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On November 23 2013 19:40 Onegu wrote: I explained my votes I wasnt going to vote for my town reads, and I liked risens response toward deadline, hindsight I should have stayed with it as it lead to the rayn lynch which I had a very heavy town read on rayn. I can understand this ^^^ BC because of basicly my gut. Koshi because his case on rayn was bad and useing reasons he himself has done, and then him calling me out for bs reasons on more than one occasion.[/QUOTE] But I still want you to explain your koshi scumread in greater detail. Hypocrisy + OMGUS does not = scum | ||
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All the things that have been brought up against me are trivial and I'm not even going to bother adressing them. What I am going to do is do my damndest to find scum and convince everyone else to lynch them. Let's start with grackaroni. You can all type "thrawn is scum" over and over but for once, I just want SOMEBODY to FUCKING LISTEN to me about grack. Say whatever the fuck else you want as long as you address the points I'm about to bring up. Lots of people (including rayn which pisses me off more than anyone else) said before BH's lynch that after BH flips they will consider looking into grack if BH flips town. IMO assassin = town because I thinkg BH was giving me his real opinion on grack. Did that happen? No of course not. Am I going to get lynched today and grack will survive? Maybe, but after this post nobody has any excuse to not come back and read it after my flip. GRACK IS MAFIA HERE IS WHY Has anyone had a productive conversation with him the entire game? Has he ever responded to accusations or serious questioning with anything other than deflection via trolling? Why is he getting town points for this? Why do people think he's town because he won't give straight up answers? Here is EXACTLY why he is scum: He alternates between acting "serious" and trollish in a way designed to feign contributing and avoid serious critique. I already know what his response to this post will be. It's gonna be something like "lol thrawn i'm not scum u are or maybe ur bad or who the fuck knows I don't have opinions but that's ok because I'm such obvious town." If I end up getting lynched the MAIN THING I want people to do after is come back and read THIS POST. THIS POST RIGHT HERE I'M TYPING IN ALL CAPS SO IT BURNS INTO YOUR MEMORY AND YOU DON'T FORGET TO COME BACK AND READ THIS POST THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. I have town reads on all of austin/mig/risen, there are a few people I'm undecided about such as pandain/onegu (vayne has sparked my interest and I may mason him to see how he acts outside of the thread... I haven't decided who to mason yet this cycle) and everyone else I honestly haven't paid any attention to at all due to being overwhelmed by playing my first 30+ person size game and on top of that, replacing into it with 100 pages of spam to slog through. I'm going to finally read the entire thread, every damn post, and I'm going to try not to post until I have done so. When I replaced in I decided to just jump right into discussion without reading to try and get a feel for the game but obviously that didn't work. I apoligize to everyone for sucking so bad up till this point but I AM town and I'M NOT going to get lynched. | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:26 VayneAuthority wrote: It's a great reason, as I am free to do whatever I please as long as it is not against the rules. My reads have not even been close to bad this game so ill keep doing what im doing. Thrawn if you want to be seen as town then typing a case on grack does not exactly make me want to defend you. He's not up for lynch until lategame as he has been pushed by both flipped mafia hard so far. There is the possibility he is the mafia guinea pig of course but it's not a particularly good stance for today. what does this even mean? if you think i'm town then you won't lynch me no matter what my reads are "it's not a good stance" as in you think i'm scum for it? as in you still think i'm town but you're just... going to lynch me anyways? | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:32 Grackaroni wrote: There is no case on me to defend Thrawn lol. People keep yelling that I switch on and off between being serious and trolling and that's just what I do. Btw BH was bullshitting all game long. He's played with me countless times and knows better than that. no thrawn there isn't a case against me yes thrawn everything you said about my play is true but no there's no case against me ..... | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote: There is only one party and that party is Kush. Come and recognize it's master. ##Vote: Kushm4sta All who oppose him shall be branded an enemy of the state. This is what you did during D1. You trolled around "pushing" the kush for mayor lynch when iirc he didn't even want to be mayor, and in case he was town probably would have been one of the worst mayor candidates. Starting from that post in your filter there are several more afterwards where you talk about wanting kush for mayor but none of it looks like you ACTUALLY want him in that position... it's just trolling. Yamato pressures you to actually do something productive and you respond with this: On November 15 2013 09:32 Grackaroni wrote: Nah, more fun this way. When I find mafia I'll let you know. This is what I'm referring to when I say Grack's trolling is a means of deflection from actually having to contribute. | ||
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On November 24 2013 13:19 austinmcc wrote: I notice you really poked at onegu's votes, which are, indeed, kinda awful. Do you think his play as a WHOLE is scummy? Is the rest of his play townie/null, but the votes are just so bad that he's scummy? I just read through his filter... and no, I don't. There are a few posts in particular that feel really genuine, like this one: On November 18 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote: And I feel I am playing this game better than witchcraft, which is why I feel people who have played with me often should have scum reads on me lol. It looks like an honest assessment of his play coupled with some good awareness of how other people should view him... it looks a lot more like a post that comes from a town mindset than from a scum one. A lot of his filter feels like that. His response to me about his D3 votes was that he wasn't voting on real lynch candidates because he thought all of them were town. It could just be a convenient position he set himself up for but after reading his filter... I don't think that's the case. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:39 Pandain wrote: Thrawn you should mason me by the way if you want. That or mig. yeah actually I think I may do this | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote: You can ask me whatever you would like and I will give you a serious answer. Lets do this. I want 100% srs answers from you from here on out. Let's start with your current read on me because I have no idea what it is. You've made these posts since D4 started... On November 24 2013 09:47 Grackaroni wrote: There is actually an enormous difference between Thrawn's filter in this game and in Witchcraft II which I followed loosely. It doesn't help his case that BC was trying to use my filter in White Flag to incriminate me and never pointed this out. On November 24 2013 10:49 Grackaroni wrote: This part in particular reads really fake to me considering he made like 60 posts in the other game. ... but you have yet to actually say anything along the lines of "lets lynch thrawn" or "I think thrawn is scum and here is my case." So what is your objective with these posts, because it looks like you're just trying to push along my lynch without actually having to be outspoken about it? | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:51 Pandain wrote: Why do you think Risen is town btw? I find his martyring quite un-townlike, and especially unlike a town risen I don't think I've ever played with risen. I do remember hosting GoT where he was town and had an bad game and spent a lot of time going "woe is me" in the thread. On top of that I've seen so many goddamn town-martying on TL lately that I basically consider it a town tell now. Here's what I thought about his play during the D3 lynch: On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch. Can you provide links to show what you mean by "I find his martyring quite un-townlike, and especially unlike a town risen? | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:51 Pandain wrote: Thrawn not to be rude, but again you didn't answer my question of do you think its likely that the two scum both had grack and PUSHED grack. ...yeah that's a good point lol On November 24 2013 15:51 Pandain wrote: And if not, even if its possible, if you instead could find someone else as scum. I'm working on this, give me some time. Previously I had suspected both you and Onegu but I changed my mind about ongeu and you've been willing to converse with me in a way that makes me think you're actually trying to figure out my alignment. I'm still in the middle of reading the entire thread and I'll be dropping cases on who I want to lynch after I'm done. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:55 Grackaroni wrote: I am considering lynching you along with a whole lot of people. There is actually somebody else that I am watching very closely that I don't want to mention yet. I don't like the fact that you were so sure Blazinghand wasn't mafia and that you had me as a scum read for "attacking Blazinghand because he attacked me" I even gave some credit to BH's case because I understood trolling is something that BH would try to do as mafia to avoid suspicion. I attacked BH when he scum claimed to me by making fun of his fake claim breadcrumb. I distrust people who avoid one game while being active in another and your reasons for lynching me are the same as Bloodyc0bblers, yet you still seem to think that is somehow valid. But what is your actual read? Not "I am considering lynching you along with a whole lot of people" because that doesn't say anything about how scummy you think I am compared to anyone else. Am I your top read? Close to that? Give me a definitive answer. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:30 VayneAuthority wrote: you don't even read the game austin why would I ever any of your shitty questions Why don't you want to talk to your scumread? And on that note what to you think is to be gained by acting the way you have recently? If you really have these reads and want certain people to get lynched then why are you being so uncooperative about it? | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:19 VayneAuthority wrote: because I know it's never going to happen just like every other game. And scum will have to handfeed town the win like they did in ## or town will just kill themselves like usual. So you're still going to maintain this approach? I'm asking you to convince me that you actually have a read on Austin. You're saying "it's not going to happen" and I'm sitting here ASKING you for your opinion. | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:30 VayneAuthority wrote: killed rayn, pushing me, you don't need any more details then that. ........try again? Vayne I don't buy this BS at all. You've taken up this position of "no, I don't need to explain my reads or converse in any meaningful way" and I've been repeadtedly telling you that I WANT to hear your case. I WANT to hear your reasons for your reads because that's the only way I can actually read you. Instead you've thrown up this wall of "nope I am above everything I don't need to play this game" and it looks like pure bullshit. so.... try again? | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:39 Pandain wrote: Thrawn would you be up for lynching Coag? no i don't think so... besides that he's low priority for me atm | ||
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On November 25 2013 17:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Nothing. Except lynching Risen. Why do you ask? and I suppose this is supposed to make me think you're town right? Can you answer the question? Are you really this confident about your vote that you're going to do nothing? Who would you vote for if Risen died right now? | ||
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