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On November 06 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote: Bringing sexy back to full Normals ^_^ On November 06 2013 06:17 hiro protagonist wrote: /in Mission Accomplished. | ||
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On November 09 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: /out  | ||
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On November 11 2013 01:13 StorrZerg wrote: /in I hope you brought your big boy pants for this one sir. | ||
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On November 13 2013 06:52 hiro protagonist wrote: I have a fool proof way of winning mayor, regardless of alignment. no hints, wait till the game starts. also, my running mate will be VE, regardless of alignment, but especially if we both roll scum :D This post contains contradictory themes. With VE as your running mate you're almost assured to lose - yet you speak of a fool-proof way of winning. I'M SO EXCITED! ^^ | ||
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On November 13 2013 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No one wants the bc. Makes me sad I would totally vote for BC if VE isn't running. | ||
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On November 13 2013 11:07 Mocsta wrote: Only if you use the mayor power to lynch yourself. I'm totally doing this. | ||
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On November 14 2013 14:34 Blazinghand wrote: /in Let there be light. | ||
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I think this time supersoft gets to be mayor. Yes, most excellent indeed. | ||
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GLHF ALL | ||
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Do you want to vote for a mayor who has never lynched a townie with a mayoral lynch ever? How about one who has instead only lynched scum? You want to vote for VisceraEyes. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote: VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? I've successfully become mayor one time in my history here on TL, where I proceeded to lynch scum and get shot N1 (one of the reasons I won in that game was because there were no associated Bodyguards). It was a skillful shot too because town proceeded to lose the game without me. If memory fails me, please feel free to correct me - I admit to my fair share of selective-memory, so I may just be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure I've failed any other time I've tried to run for mayor. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote: For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc? I'll be selecting the D1 lynch based on a number of factors. They'll be weighted thusly: My reads>Input from my Town Reads>Town Sentiment=Inactivity I'm fairly confident in my D1 reads, both scum and town in general. Therefor I'll be selecting the best lynch from among the people I want to lynch and the people my town reads want to lynch - there will likely be overlap anyway. If I'm unable to decide on the scummiest candidate by lynch time (HA! fat chance) then I'll attempt to clear the air by lynching a non-modkill lurker...but I very seriously doubt it will come to that. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:39 Coagulation wrote: I dont think hes ever been elected as scum. No but tell them about the time YOU won mayor on OMGUS. Coag. Go on, tell them. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:38 yamato77 wrote: We could reasonably select mayors based on how much we like their lynch choices. That will be my main platform, anyway. Any political support I give should I step out of the race would have to be to a player I think is actually going to lynch mafia. This isn't the worst way to approach the mayoral race imo. Yamato prolly town. You should still vote for me, but if you vote for Yamato I wouldn't cry myself to sleep. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:43 Coagulation wrote: when I won mayor as scum even after I lynched a scum mate to try and cover my ass VE raped me in the butt . he penetrated deep. I still walk funny to this day and have an irrational fear of political power. You should try it sometime as town friend. As satisfying as lynching red must have been as your teammate, imagine if you'd lynched him as town. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:47 Koshi wrote: Can we lynch BH if he isn't totally awesome day 1? Like. I never get to see BH being awesome. He claims to be awesome though. He's rarely awesome on D1. The game I lynched scum as mayor is one of the only games I've seen BH be truly awesome on D1. Just food for thought - BH is wont to be pretty meh D1 regardless of alignment. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:50 Pandain wrote: VisceraEyes is so town it hurts my eyes. Have you ever ran for mayor as scum, VE. Yes, I think. I've never won as scum, but I think I've run before. I can't tell you when, I've played like a million games. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote: Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown. I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. Fuck this. This is garbage. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:09 Oatsmaster wrote: What VE? How does doing something that sounds good make Yamato town? Feels like the resistance game we stomped on OMGUS mate. Nonono. It's not what he said. It's how and when he said it. Think bigger Oats. | ||
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False. Even if my name were on it I would take issue with supersoft saying considering anyone else would be anti-town. | ||
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I hope BH comes in here hands blazing. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote: My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™: step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^ step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler + Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1. + Show Spoiler + *I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan. ##Vote: hiro protagonist Ewwww...aww hiro why? WHY?! You remember prplhz right? Dude. Policy-lynch is my scum-tell for him. AND YOU GUYS PLAY WITH A SIMILAR MINDSET!!! I THINK I WANT TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST!!!! | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:17 supersoft wrote: lol VE and yamato are pissed, because they're not considered to be serious candidates... No surpise. And not exactly protown. That is exactly how we should play. And your ideas are exactly the reason, why you're no serious candidate. Who guarantees me that you not just fold and leave the game after d1 if we elect you? Seriously yamato... This is false. Please address the post where I explain what my reasoning for not liking your statement actually is. | ||
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Not so fast super-friend. super is an arrogant ass regardless of alignment. We must continue to observe. Patiently. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see why anyone should want to be mayor without having at least 1 scum read. Talking about everyone so far. Why should we vote for you when the main point of a mayor is to 1. Lynch scum. 2. Be town. And 1 is more important than 2. None of the mayor candidates said who they want to lynch. False. | ||
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super does stuff like say controversial stuff to see how people react. Is it bad? Who's to say? I'm willing to write him off as arrogant and observe others. What do you think of Oats and his blatant lies? Typical non-reading-shittalking? Or something slightly more sinister? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:21 supersoft wrote: You mean this peace of wisdom??? No the post that directly follows that one. Whenever you're ready. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:21 hiro protagonist wrote: Yeah, like my plan. I think its a good one and I would like everyone's opinion on it. VE, despite you thinking I am Prp, and there for scum, what do you think of the plan? I don't know what I think of lynching Kush yet because Kush hasn't arrived. So I have no opinion of your platform as yet. | ||
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I nominate Risen for best introductory post in a mafia game regardless of his alignment in this game. Pretty sure I can't actually nominate him until this game ends, and I'm positive that I'm inventing a new award, but I think this might be the best intro post I've read. Eeehhhhhhhhhhhh.....probably town. For now. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:35 supersoft wrote: I don't know what you want me to tell there... I expressed myself pretty clearly. going to sleep now. Only the conclusion. You haven't explained why. And so I'm just making it clear to town the state of your assessment - inconclusive. You say dodgy but it's really dodgy/dodgy. You can sleep or whatever. Just explain it when you get back. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:43 Holyflare wrote: I would like to make my pitch to you for the mayoral election. As some of you may not know me here is the current list of games that I have played on TL. While short, it is full of content that would be helpful in ensuring a victory for us. + Show Spoiler [ My portfolio] + Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - This, my first newbie game on TL. I systematically determined the entire scum team on night 1 of the game and was subsequently killed for this. This game is paramount in showing my determination in hunting scum. I am very analytical and will deliver my reads in a coherent manner that serves town in the best way possible. Examples - although hefty - can be seen here: Cases Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII Although this game was over from day 1 and a scum victory due to modkills, I was still the voice for the town and actively pushed my reads for lynches. Newbie Mini Mafia XLVI In this game I was responsible for eliminating the scum team and ensuring a town victory due to my analysis and reads. I was the driving force behind this win. World Heavyweight Championship Mafia In this game I was under a lot of pressure day 1 but consequently I was able to become pretty much confirmed town because of this. My read and lynch choice was scum and although this was a loss (due to my error no doubt) I felt that I contributed to the best of my ability at the time. My posting style heavinly reflects what alignment I am as Hogwarts mafia will show. Hogwarts Mafia (Themed) In this game I struggled to prove that I was town after day 1. I was confused after a shambolic display night 1 and degraded into mindless line posts, it was obvious I was mafia if you looked at my content. __________________________________________________________________________________________ Now that the formalities are over and done with I will speak to you about my strategy as mayor. Simply, this can be broken down into 3 stages. Process of Mayoral lynches
Now, while I may not be the first choice for most of you at this current point in time, I suggest that we hold off on voting for an actual mayor until later in the day. Obviously, blindly voting people into a mayoral role this early is extremely questionable as nobody has displayed any content at all. Also, later in the day I would have displayed the traits that I am best known for displaying as town and my contributions will most definitely be worth more then. If I have then gained your favour as an electoral candidate at that point then I thank you and I shall lead us onto (hopefully) another town victory. Thank you for your consideration, - Holyflare Mayoral candidate, TL Mafia LXIII 2013 Also probably town. Anyone else? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:45 StorrZerg wrote: Suppose to say VE not very Nono you were gonna support me. Totally. This was the plan dude. Why would I run if I was supposed to support you? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:50 StorrZerg wrote: Joke ill be great whywon't peoplee let the scrub give it a go I'll try and make a bigger impact tomorrow, today is just not good for posting  I'll vote for you if you find some scum and promise to lynch it. You just have to convince me it's scum more than I'm convinced whoever I think is scum is scum. You've got time. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:53 Pandain wrote: I think he is instead more dodgy honestly. I like how out there he is putting himself early for a VE, I don't think short bad posts like that are really scum indicative; indeed more town indicative. If you make a bad post like "this guy is town" but then don't justify yourself when its not immediately obvious, you put yourself under suspicion when you wouldn't want that as scum. As town you might not care. I don't think he really cares that much to justify himself. I get more a town feel. Ooooo, but then I immediately explained myself. Guess I'm back to dodgy/dodgy. *shrug* | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:57 supersoft wrote: how do you peasant know what i think? I don't really know why you're joking about the term "dodgy", since my dictionary told me it's a common word if someone avoids, eludes, evades or dodges something, like a discussion with someone. Example, if you brand someone as arrogant (ad hominem) and you hereby avoid, elude, evade, dodge a discussion about other things. "ass" was the ad-hom. I dropped it immediately. "arrogant" was a descriptive word and wasn't an attack. I think BC is arrogant too and he knows I love him deeply. In a manly kind of way. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town, Oats is dumb, but probably town, supersoft says dumb stuff idk what that makes him, yamato is also probably town, holyflare's campaign was horrible and if it's not pre-written he is scum. Giving also slight town read on Koshi. Vote for me for mayor and we will wipe out the scum. TOGETHER! | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh Risen was really funny but it doesn't make him anything alignment-wise. :p I know, it was gut thing...I just marked it as green on my notes and thought I'd share. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Your post is useless and i think you're scum What exactly is dumb? Do you just repeat what you read in this thread or do you think by yourself? Are you planning to keep "playing" like that? Because this is completely useless. So is attacking everything that moves super. And it's not going to get you reliable information either. | ||
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You haven't given any reasoning for thinking I'm scum either - you say dodgy, but I can obviously be dodgy as town too so I want you to explain why you think it makes me scum so I can explain why you're wrong. You refuse - I've asked you a couple of times to elaborate and you haven't. Like, willfully ignoring my posts is scummy. So is coming back in and randomly attacking rayn for his first post after saying you were going to bed. Like saying you were going to bed was just posturing or something... Anyway, congrats super now you're scummy to me. | ||
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I don't even believe what Coag just said I think he's lying. :O | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:18 supersoft wrote: I never called you scum. I said your dodging is looking scummy to me. The dodging, not the person, since dodging always looks suspicious. The fact, that your townplay may include dodgy play, is not relevant here. I didn't refuse anything, i explained, why dodgy play is suspicious. Of course i cannot explain why i think that you're scum, since i don't think that you're scum just yet. Oh, so what you're saying is that in spite of making that observation about my scumminess, you have actually, NO opinion of me. Good deal. Well if/whenever that threshold is crossed you just let me know. <3 | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:28 Oatsmaster wrote: VE, why are you calling HF's post town when it could easily be prewritten? How is it alignment indicative at all? I called it town before he explained how he wrote it. Knowing that part of it was prewritten and part of it was written after some of the thread had occurred, it changes my read of him. I still lean town, but the post doesn't make him town. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:26 supersoft wrote: I fear you won't cross any threshold anytime soon. I have a strict not-to-lynch-potentially-useful-people strategy d1+d2. If you're town, you will probably be dead d3, if the medics do their job like the usually do... That's why I'm gonna be mayor instead friend. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote: You thought it wasnt prewritten? Just how many mayoral games have you played? This is disgraceful VE. Mine wasn't. It was shorter obviously, but he could have written that whole thing since he got his role PM. Did you see Fallout numbered mafia where I ran for mayor? I had a huge post and wrote the whole thing after I got my town role PM, the thought isn't infeasible to me. What do you think about supersoft? Should I lynch it? I don't wanna lynch it but he makin it rul hard. In a non-homo kind of way. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:56 Mattchew wrote: I'm scum Fixed that for you bbygrl | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:06 Mocsta wrote: Firstly, I am announcing my intention to run for mayor. My campaign is a simple one. I will play my normal game: pressure/hunt scum openly in the thread. This person will then create the justification for my votes as mayor. Having said that, the goal of this game is not to lynch scum day1, but to lynch scum repeatedly. If an alternative <more popular> candidate will lynch my day1 target, then; I am willing to step down. Secondly, Once there are two or three front-runners for the mayor candidacy (perhaps in 24hrs time), we need to start discussing how to handle the pardoner situation. The typical solutions are: (1) Put the day1 lynch target as pardoner, so we remove the role from the game (2) If there is a very-strong town read on someone worth NK'n, make them the pardoner so they get the NK protection. As stated before, there is no point discussing this until the game develops more. Lastly, I present my best read: This conversation stuck out to me, enough to warrant a filter-dive. Its hard to give an opinion on Mig. What he said is pro-town, but its also the general spiel either alignment can spew. Will need to see more from Mig to form an opinion, however..... What I am more concerned about is Storrzerg. Specifically: The justification presented for an rng lynch (" it keeps people active") is a' token gesture' at best, and 'devoid of any responsibility' at worst. --> I deem this to irrevocably satisfy scum motivations. Compare Storrzerg to Hogwarts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=41#814 + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 05:51 StorrZerg wrote: i still think sn0 man is the best lynch atm Firstly his Stance on HufflePuff Such a think is uncalled for specifically since "Hufflepuff has produced the fewest Dark wizards of all the four Houses, if any." Thus my scum meeter was going nuts, now this isn't enough for a day 1 lynch but it is a very good start. After I called him out, he ignored me and made this very weird post. Again, this post just read really weird to me. So i checked his post history in previous games, and imo doesn't line up with his town. (usually he has more effort into his posts longer posts etc) He hadn't done anything till i called him out which his next post was He then pretty much goes dark after that. I will conclude my thoughts with he is none other than Slytherin scum. (btw this just so happens to have the house with the most notorious dark wizards in our world. He is very well a puppet to his parents) ps die scum In one of his first posts he plays balls-to-the-wall and presents a scum read with analysis. In this game we get: Generic spiel + potential scum slip. The town mentality is " hunt scum" Hunting "for" scum, as a first post is.. interesting As explained prior, RNG for lynch does not share congruence with his attitude to "hunt scum" But is congruent with "hunting for scum" More generic spiel. Since when is activity an indicator of alignment for the majority of players? First he wants to be mayor due to "hunting for scum" Secondly, his justification is "to give a scrub a shot". Thirdly, Playing the n00b card?? Storrzerg clearly has no motivation to scum hunt. I get that his posting was early Day1 -- perhaps there was nothing to "focus" on. However, each of his posts has exhibited a mindset not conducive to finding scum, let alone lynch scum. His platform is a RNG lynch hidden behind newbie undertones, and ultimately: where I stand currently with my mayor target is: Storrzerg No matter what you do or say, I won't vote you for mayor this game because I hold grudges and last time I gave you the benefit of the doubt I got burned when an ounce of the same from you could have swung the game in our favor; get punished for that act now and it is expunged. That being said, I'm interested to see StorrZerg actually provide some content before deciding whether I think he's mafia - content with regard to others' alignment and what he thinks about it. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote: lol what VE. Grow up pls. What? I'm saying I can't trust him to do as he says because he's clearly willing to lie as a townie when it matters. He's gotta earn that shit back. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: So you think hes town. Why? I'm saying if he's scum I don't want him as mayor and if he's town I can't trust him to be mayor. I haven't said anything about his alignment. | ||
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And please don't get into it with Oats dude - I'm barely restraining myself as it is. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah that makes sense. What do you think his alignment is? I'm leaning town but obviously my regard for Mocsta's scumplay is known so it's tenuous. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:29 Grackaroni wrote: Mocsta can you explain more simply why Storrzerg is scum. what is the difference between hunting for scum and wanting to hunt scum? What's so compelling about Mocsta's StorrZerg suspicion that you should comment on that and not any of the other suspicions being flown around? This might be the first post in which you don't mention Kush. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: lol do you not know about the traditional day 1 bitchfight? BITCH I INVENTED IT SIT THE FUCK DOWN | ||
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Okay, so why are you asking him to convince you that Storr is scum? Shouldn't you be like, saying Kush should lynch Mocsta or something? My point is that you broke character for that - like maybe Storr IS scum and you panicked. But you know how association cases go. I'd lynch you before Storr because I think you breaking character for that one clarification/whatever is more telling than Storr playing the newb card. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice. The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too. On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly. So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. Well town do it regardless of whether they need to do it or not just as much as scum do...but I like that you're at least considering town motivation for things that's awesome. So you say leaning scum on Sharrant but not really sure. I'd probably buy that for a dollar. What do you think about Alakaslam? | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:44 Grackaroni wrote: I'd like to talk to him about his case? I'm not role playing or something I just post what I want. I know but what you've wanted to post up to now has been "LOL ELECT KUSH WHATEVER THE FUCK" and now that Mocsta has brought up StorrZerg, now it's srs bsns. I know you're not role-playing, it's just a shift in mindset. A SHIFTY shift imo. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:46 Alakaslam wrote: Caught up. I don't trust VE but I don't think he is scum yet. I don't claim to be able to read him; this is just a pair of Lincoln coppers I used to own. Coag, I will probably do that, in inside jokes dispersed here an  Blazinghand d there, if you want to waste your tunnel on me over that know that it is a waste, therefore antitown unless there are reasons to think I would THE GREAT bloody cobbler as scum- so give reasons why that is a valid reason to tunnel me if that is an honest threat.That being said, I'm moving on to the vote thread after a bit more deliberation So no comments about anyone's alignment whatsoever after making a big show of catching up and finally getting caught up. Noted. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'M DOCTOR Hi Cheesecake. You're super sexy. Way sexier than me. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:50 Alakaslam wrote: @ Oats: as I am also curious, if I am suspiciously more coherent even than at Resistance don't worry, it is actually the complete removal of stress over mafia. I am thinking with a whole and complete head, and this may be gone given the wrong pressures. Now that you've caught up I want you to tell me who you're suspicious of. Failing that, tell me who you're considering to vote for mayor. And if you fail that, I swear on everything that is holy I will convince BH to run for mayor, I will ensure he wins and I'll make it my mission to see that he lynches you. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote: Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game. Oats, shy are you so prickly this game. Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous. Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E I can answer this. Oats doesn't like that I'm judgemental about his play. I'm trying really hard to reign it in, but the fact remains that he's felt slighted by me in the past. We recently won a game where we were scum together and in spite of winning together, I still managed to touch a couple of nerves. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote: well yeah you called me bad VE. Well you were being bad! And you call me bad all the time wtf?! If it means more coming from me because you perceive me to be good then why do you call me bad? Why do you antagonize? It's a game of give and take - and you can only take what you give. You give hardly anything Oats - keeping up and commenting is barely giving. It's more than people who don't post anything, but barely. The way you play, it's how scum generally play man. That's why you catch a lot of shit and why people call you bad. I give you a lot of shit because I've seen you play better and when you don't I get salty and call you bad. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:07 Grackaroni wrote: lol the fuck are you talking about. I'm not preventing Storrzerg from responding; All I had originally intended to do was question you about your case before VE started complaining about me playing the game. I agree with Pandain's scum reads. I'm not complaining I love it! Please continue! ^^ | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote: You called me bad when I was best scum in game. Lol I dont think you understood me the fist time. Oh...well, I was calling you bad because I was representing that I thought you were town. It would have been preferable if you'd gone with me on Prom and ended the game more assuredly, but you opposing me wasn't strictly speaking "bad" play. I certainly disagree that you were the best scum in the game I HAD THAT SHIT LOCKED DOWN. But no, I don't think you played that poorly at all in Resistance. | ||
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Er......what I mean is that I want Oats and I to be able to work together. We're not going to be able to do so if he hates my guts needlessly. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: This oats/ve thing has to stop. It's making it a lot Harder to read either player as there is now motive that exists outside this game to consider. Sharrant is a name that keeps popping out. Can someone walk me through what the problem is. Iirc he has made one post. There are motives that exist outside the game to consider with every player of every game. I disliked how Sharrant just looked to appear active - he asked a couple of players questions that led nowhere and then disappeared. I like that people are talking about him because it means maybe he'll feel inclined to participate more fully if he's town and if he's scum, why it gets his name in the hat for lynch regardless of who's mayor in the end. | ||
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I think he meant before he got his role PM. "I think it's a good one" is, I think, referring to his plan, not the role. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:38 Alakaslam wrote: There isn't any reason to even be discussing sharrant right now what I can see based on his filter, but I will go see if anyone answered him. I didn't, you can save some steps. I never responded to the question he posed of me. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:38 Holyflare wrote: @VE you talked about how hiro has a similar mindset to prplhz here: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Ewwww...aww hiro why? WHY?! You remember prplhz right? Dude. Policy-lynch is my scum-tell for him. AND YOU GUYS PLAY WITH A SIMILAR MINDSET!!! I THINK I WANT TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST!!!! How certain were you of this point or was it just a jokey remark? I ask this because after you had already criticised him of this he still continued posting more policy lynching, just in a different light, re:pardoner lynching. It was a srs but not srs kind of thing. I do think he and prplhz play similarly and think about the game in a similar way. However no, I'd never base a lynch solely on this. It was tongue in cheek because I was saying I wanted to lynch Hiro for suggest a policy lynch - as policy. My humor is really dry, sorry guys. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote: Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. LOL austin you so QTPIE! <3 | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote: As far as Mocsta's bit: The games that I have played with sharrant, he was NKed in 2 (Dr. Who/Liquid City) and lynched, as mafia, in the third (Boardwalk Empire). I have not seen him be lynchbait. I was mafia in one of the two he was NKed in, and do not particularly remember him being lynchbait. I also do not remember him being particularly in the lynch discussion in Liquid City, the other game in which I played and he was NKed. There may be a number of games in which he has been mislynched, but I have not been a part of them, and in generally I have not seem him be on the chopping block as a townie. HI VE! LET'S BOTH BE TOWN AND WIN THIS GAME AGAIN KKKK? I'M ON IT BRO JUST VOTE ME MAYOR AND WE GOT THIS! | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:49 Holyflare wrote: I thought that was implied on entry? I WANNA HEAR YOU SAY THE WORDS!!!! | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote: I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? </3 | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:51 austinmcc wrote: I will continue to watch you, VE, but right now I don't want to make you insta-mayor. You don't have the power to do that even if you did. All I'm asking for is one measly little vote. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:55 Alakaslam wrote: I am almost willing to do this but I feel like I am one easily piped. *"Piped" is my term replacing "SVENGALID". The concept is still there and it is rich with meaning, like the word troll. The vote represents more than just one's willingness to make me mayor. The vote is a statement. It's taking a stand and saying "Damnit I'm not going to deal with these scummy bastards anymore! I think VisceraEyes is town and I WANT MY VOICE TO BE HEARD AMONG THE STARS!!" | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:59 yamato77 wrote: Obviously I disagree fundamentally; posting about the setup, even if it seems pro-town, is in no way shape or form good enough to be considered the towniest guy in the thread. Austin is now on my sketchy list for that read. gtg I take it back. You're not a smelly fart head. I still think you're town though. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:03 Alakaslam wrote: If I am lynched this game I am absolutely at a loss to improve. I disagree with this statement. Even good players get lynched as town (ask Foolishness.) Even good players get lynched frequently as town (ask Ace). Even good players are wrong (ask BC.) Even good players are wrong often (you can take my word on this one.) Never give up hope. When you give up hope, scum have truly and completely won. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:55 OOHCHILD wrote: I think I'm the worst possible pick for mayor given that I'm never ever nked. Kush town. | ||
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On November 15 2013 14:32 Mocsta wrote: To be honest. I dunno. I'm. Not confident reading him because I naturally find him scummy. Much like I'm not confident reading you after Hogwarts. In voice mafia, scum mattchew is more aggressive than town mattchew. I.e. he uses his knowledge advantage to become more useful It's hard to say whether that crosses over to this game or is actually relevant. Either way mattchew is a guy that yes needs to post more throughout the game but like sharrant. I think these types of players are coin flippy day1. Nothing wrong with pressure, but I wouldn't bank on a firm read either side. So are you like still serious about this StorrZerg thing? You mentioned it earlier and you don't seem super perturbed that he's not being talked about still...a little subdued. Walk me through it - what makes you so sure Storr is mafia? | ||
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Tell me all you think and feel about HolyFlare and Grackaroni please. Also vote for me to be mayor, it takes but a moment and the town will be better for it. | ||
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On November 15 2013 15:48 Grackaroni wrote: I don't see how any of that equates to always giving out free town reads but w/e. I think by cockblocks he means you defending players. Players like StorrZerg. He doesn't like you because you don't not like StorrZerg okay? | ||
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1) I envision a town in which I'm the mayor and Yamato is my Pardoner. Why? Because we get all the benefits of VE lynching scum on D1, in all likelihood getting shot N1 and all that jazz, and none of the pitfalls of having scum in the office of either Mayor OR Pardoner. I know what you're thinking: "But VE! Surely you jest! Yamato has made it abundantly clear that he's not afraid of using the Pardoner role - he's clearly the worst candidate for it by far!" I'll go on the record here (again) and explain my stance on the Pardoner role (again). The Pardoner mechanic is just another mechanic that town has at its disposal to get information and that scum has at its disposal to confound town. And while it's generally accepted logic that preventing a lynch, ANY lynch is a bad idea, I hesitate to say that the role is, strictly speaking, anti-town. Like, if you believe that Yamato is town then you have to believe that IF he uses the role, it will be for a reason that he has deemed pro-town. Maybe he's wrong, maybe he's right, maybe he's scum lying to your face - but you get just as much information from that action out of Yamato as you get from the flip of a player. It's not info you can take to the bank and lynch people over, but it's certainly info that you can use to help solve the game. I'm not immediately repulsed by Yamato saying he's not afraid to use the power, and it gives me warm fuzzies about his alignment that he said it at all. I don't think he'll use the power all willy-nilly and I'm totally fine with him having it. 2) I will not be stating my lynch choice outright. I will give an array of candidates and will lynch into this list, but my actual target will remain unknown. I feel like in this way scum will be less inclined to help me along if my lynch choice is bad or oppose me if my lynch choice is good. It takes actionable info away from scum, but still allows town to get a feel for where I stand so they can choose to vote me or not. Right now (before catching up) that list is this: Grackaroni, StorrZerg, Sharrant, and Skanjab1s 3) I'm reading over the thread after this post: I haven't caught up from when I left last night and a lot has happened. If I miss a question directed at me or something just bear with me and ask it again. 4) There was a limited amount of venom and hatred in the thread at the time I left. There was a lot of aggravation and frustration but that's to be expected, but a fairly small amount of actual general poor behavior. I liked that and I hope that it continues through my readthrough of the thread and beyond. [/muse] Actual content to follow. Stay tuned. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:44 supersoft wrote: what the hell. Are you high? Always friend. You're going to have to elaborate. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:48 supersoft wrote: I already elaborated this? this is a terrible idea. I'm not saying I want him to use the power, I'm saying I'm not opposed to him deciding how/whether to use it. I mean, clearly you're going to disagree with this statement as you're opposed to his lynch choice (I assume) because he's presently talking about offing BC, but for my part I trust Yamato's judgement with the Pardoner power. Right now I'm way more sure about Yamato's alignment than I am about either you OR BC. I lean town on you both but I'm solidly town on Pardoner. I don't share the ideal that we can rig removing the power, so I want Yamato to have it. Does this make more sense to you in the context of it coming from me and not me speaking as the will of town? | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:59 supersoft wrote: I don't care about the pardoner power. I care about the bulletprovevest. You're throwing this game right now, VE. Stop being so dramatic I'm just stating my opinion - an unpopular one that will probably lose me votes. Take a chill pill sir. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote: Wonderful! Thank you for finding that for me. Thank you for the clarification, VE, I had thought it was a joke post, but I wanted to be sure. :-) VE, how do you feel about lynching Rayn? I'm not a fan of lynching rayn today. He's at the very least providing his opinion on things and that's more than a lot of players so far. | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:07 supersoft wrote: i suggest you reread the thread, convince yourself that I am town; and then you come back and we play as a team. I'm doing a contextless series of filter-dives and seeing where that leads me first. The way I work is I filter people whom I do NOT have a townread on, see what I see, and if there are posts I don't like or I want to see in detail I go to that post and read stuff around it to see what's there. It's not super intuitive, but it takes me to posts I might otherwise miss. A little later on I'll do a full reread. But I'm fully willing to work with you regardless of my present read on you. | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Posts like this make me think Supersoft knows VE's alignment. Anyone reading the thread knows VE's alignment Cheese. | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:06 Risen wrote: I just wish I could understand revealing that Lone had masoned... I just don't get it. Makes me think yamato is the scum of the VE/yamato combo. I just wish I could understand why you think there has to be scum between VE/Yamato. | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:08 StorrZerg wrote: whats lynch bait? not sure i understand... Someone who looks like a good lynch regardless of their alignment. In the context of someone "going after lynchbait" the presumption is that the one doing the accusing is scum and the "lynchbait" is town. | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VE/BC wombo combo for elections?  I could see this. I could also see VE/SS. But your vote should fall somewhere in that triumvirate. | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:22 Koshi wrote: You still believe in those 4 reads VE? Because I am not the biggest fan of those. I'll provide an updated list soon - I'm awaiting input from a select few. What do you think about Pandain? Sneak Peek: Pandain is on the new list. | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:31 Risen wrote: I'm down with BC mayor but would prefer VE not be pardoner That's convenient. I haven't done anything rash in I can't even remember how long. Any particular reason for this other than polarizing the vote? | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:29 austinmcc wrote: VE, assorted Pandain thoughts. He halfway buddies you pretty hard early on. Defends you as dodgy, calls you a sexy beast, etc. etc. I have not played a D1 with Pandain I don't think, but at least from Magical Cop Sandwich mafia, I do not remember him really buddying up to any townies in that manner as scum. He doesn't appear to actually be winning points with you, nobody has actually been appointed mayor, and while you were vocal and semi-leaderish at the start of the thread, I don't see much cause for him to put that buddying in thread if he's scum. It's too obvious for my tastes? I think his mason claim is BS. Which is mildly mildly townie, as the real reason to fake claim would be to draw shots and be an asshat because you're going to screw up other mason claims and might encourage other masons to claim if they see Yamato's post and Pandain's post and think Pandain is srs. So apparently I find it mildly townie even though it doesn't actually help town at all and if Pandain wanted to draw shots he should be posting. He hard defended LoneMeow in that game didn't he? Like, as we were stringing the dude up? What's even "mildly mildly" townie about him fakeclaiming mason? Even as a townie that's the most ridiculous thing ever, because it's a confirmable role. When he claimed that, people are gonna be like "Who did Pandain mason?" every day he lives until he comes clean = he's almost certainly a mason. The question is whether he's a town mason or a scum mason. We already have another semi-confirmed mason in LoneMeow. As you said, if he wanted to draw shots he could be posting. He's not doing anything. Apparently not even masoning because apparently he hasn't chosen anyone to mason yet. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:39 Pandain wrote: I think LoneMeow is pretty town, I give him town points(though not defiinitive), for masoning Yamato. Masononing a vet seems like a town thing to do, and he could crumble under pressure against someone as aggressive as yamato This assumes Yamato is applying any pressure to him in mason. Yamato isn't doing much in the thread at the moment, I have to assume he's not doing much in a mason chat either. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:49 StorrZerg wrote: @VE did you have a case against me? also your reads on BC and Mocsta I'm leaning town on Mocsta and I'm pretty firmly town on BC. No case, just my observations about your play. I feel like you haven't done any scumhunting, in spite of your apparent eagerness to do so - two posts I recall off the top of my head where you're all "Let's find some scum!" or whatever and you never ever try and find any scum. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:51 austinmcc wrote: I prefer not to think about the third claimer that game. VE, in late exchange for my Pandain thoughts, I would ask you to look at these two points, within the context of when they were written, and tell me if you think anything neat about Onegu just based on these. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote: Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions. Do you mean outside of the fact that he completely dropped his suspicion of supersoft? I mean, I'm not sure what I'm expected to see with regard to when they were written - rayn had just made a big post on HF right before Onegu's first post and the second one is like him adding to rayn's points. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:44 Pandain wrote: It doesn't matter. The fact he masoned Yamato and the oppurtunity is there either means he doesn't know yamato, he's really confident in himself(anyone have confirmation on this? Wasn't he the guy who claimed doctor and then Mocsta counter-claimed him?), or he's town. Which do you think is more likely for a person who has played previous games? Just because someone is considered town openly doesn't mean they're any more dangerous to the scumteam or any more intimidating in PMs. Yamato isn't known for his prowess in PMs that I'm aware of, in fact I'm pretty sure in a game almost identical to this one he literally lost a game in PMs or something like that. However I agree that the action leans more townie. So you've heard austin's theory Pandain, are you fake-claiming mason? Or are you ACTUALLY a mason? | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: Nah. They're so different in subject that I don't see one to the other as dropping supersoft. I guess...how you feel about those posts? Does either scream either alignment to you? They just do very different things for me, and I want to poke at him about it, but also see if anyone else gets anything from them. Well they both follow a similar theme of going with the flow. Like, people were coming out against supersoft's gruff aggression right? So he spoke up against that. Then rayn made a big post about HF and people were starting to get onboard with that, and he adds a couple of points to Rayn's post. Ultimately though I'm not left with a good sense of what Onegu actually thinks about either one of them because of a lack of follow up on either of them. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:48 Grackaroni wrote: Terrible mayor post from VE. Vote for the Tomato. That guy is going to fry the bloody pie. On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote: personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. Why does e'erybody always wanna kill the BC? | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:40 StorrZerg wrote: I wouldn't say everyone. Would you have revised cases on people you would like to lynch now? Personally im looking for someone to vote now since i know ill be inactive latter. Convince me your the best person, and who the best lynch is. give me the passion Just vote for me because I'll be here and I'm obviously reading and obviously town Storr. I promise I'll lynch scum. | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:51 Alakaslam wrote: I haven't had any serious reservations toward BloodyC0bbler yet. But I have had reservations, because I am still having reservations about every vet because of Piperism. Dude that's just not how the game is played. Experienced players don't just magically get followers...not since Palmar was crowned King of the Noobs has a player been just innately able to garner blind followers, and Palmar hasn't played a serious game of mafia in like years it feels like. | ||
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S'okay bbygrl you can vote one of my opponents futilely if you need to. I've made my mayoral strategy quite clear in my posts, if it's not your cup of tea why, that's what a democracy is all about. :D | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:59 Risen wrote: Storr won't vote for you b/c he's afraid you're going to lynch him. As he should be, especially since he's resisting my campaign. Passive-aggression-mode-engage!! | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:00 StorrZerg wrote: not really that more so his lack of conviction on any single one person i feel Yeah that's part of my strategy. You'll note if you look in my filter that it's quite intentional. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:12 StorrZerg wrote: any update since then? why not post something else with more conviction? @BC i put my input in, so get off my dick. you want to make a read on me, make a read off my reads or w/e. I just had my brithday, and im going camping this weekend. Sorry that i can't invest as much time as i would like. and if your gonna keep bashing me for that all i can respond is go actually scum hunt and stop bitching. Yeah I'm looking into Pandain right now - some of his interactions, a couple probeyprobes you know. I got a couple of irons in the fire guy I'll let you know if anything pans out. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:19 Alakaslam wrote: My alternative is Blazinghand. He has not given me sufficient reason to vote him however. BloodlyC0bbler is someone I have zero meta on, as is SuperSoft, who I would otherwise be voting now. He cannot get my vote due to my reservations. However, he will have this semi-endorsement. Even if BH HAD given you reason to vote him, by your own logic you couldn't because of reservations about Piperism (which, by the way, is laughable coming from you SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE of your BH fervor.) Just vote for me Alak, I promise I won't lynch you. Pinky swear. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone else finding it odd that its taken bh more than 3 hours to catch up and post something? Unless I mistook his attitude, because his platform is one of lynching randomly, he's not prioritizing reading the thread and getting back with us. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:26 Risen wrote: Changed my mind. Of the two I now think yamato is scum. Rayn now more towny, HF more scummy Still don't wanna qualify your either/or read on me and yamato? | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:35 Mig wrote: My initial thoughts were not many people know me anymore and it I would be unlikely to get elected over somebody that everyone has recent history with, especially when I am generally not that active for the first half of day1 or so. It would be a better use of my time to figure out which mayor candidate is most likely to be town and push for them. I barely know you and I would have voted for you. | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote: he wants to know what I think about rayn i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions? | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:49 Mig wrote: VE do you still plan on lynching into the same group of 4 you listed earlier or has it changed? It's changed, and incomplete. Right now I'm somewhere around [b]Skanjab, Pandain, Sharrant And I'm torn on my last couple. I'm still not interested in lynching rayn or BC and I'm starting to come around on StorrZerg. His last round of posts, while not super enlightening, felt genuine enough. I'm still filtering, and still rereading. Sup? | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:50 Oatsmaster wrote: I would assume he has some sense of decency as scum. Explain what you mean here. No one is making him do anything, so he's not. He's not giving opinions and not participating, but he doesn't have to. Where does decency come into it? | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote: What I mean is that he would make more of an effort to play the game as scum and not get lynched. Than as town, Oooohhh... Ummm....but why? Like why is it more indecent to fuck off and not play as scum than it is as town? | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote: What I want to know about pandain is why he claimed for no reason. He breadcrumbed earlier apparently musing about whether he should run. Said something about becoming "confirmed town". What do you make of that? | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:11 Pandain wrote: I'm wondering if I should run for mayor if I can confirm myself as town mmmm | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote: The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz. | ||
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On November 16 2013 23:50 Skanjab1s wrote: (1) Why am I, pandain, and sharrant scum? You have not given any reasoning at all for these reads. (2) Also, could you please quote which posts from StorrZerg made you drop your scumread of him? (3) Why do you no longer suspect Grack? 1) Your lack of interest in anything that happens in this game makes me think you're scum. Pandain is in a similar boat - it's like you guys are completely disinterested in trying to find scum at all. Sharrant is....probably not going to get lynched by me. I literally pulled that name off my previous list to make it look more impressive. 2) Maybe. Maybe not. I'll go take a look, but it was more of a feeling thing. Stay tuned. 3) I don't no longer suspect Grack. I actually forgot about Grack and the fact that he's done nothing noteworthy puts him up on my radar again. Thx bra. | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote: Now lets take a better look at mattchew I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now. This one. I didn't like his initial post on austin, mainly because austin is a hard player to read anyway and Storr is generally not familiar with austin's playstyle. But then he went and looked at Mattchew. He recently played a game where he and Matt got pretty cozy in a mason QT together (or cozy SOMEWHERE, huehue). This is the type of read I'd expect a townStorr to try and make...one on someone he's more familiar with. The post itself is okay - no better or worse than any other PbPA posts, but the intent and motivation are what I liked about it. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote: Read his filter in Hogwarts. A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia. This statement isn't true at all - a BH who doesn't try is a BH. Not scum, not town. It's true that he HAS been scum and not tried, but he's been town and not tried too. I'm not going to kick and scream about a BH lynch - I'm just saying I think you're more certain than you should be. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:29 Spaghetticus wrote: @VE I find it suspicious that you wouldn't even address my attack. This seems to me like someone micromanaging their image. I attacked you... a lot. You know that I've failed to gain traction, and that you feel comfortable in your current position, but a town should be willing to enter in discourse simply to provide info to the rest of town, and to dispel misgivings. You do not consider me a threat, and as a scum you would want to veer away from explaining yourself for fear of being bogged into providing real information. You also haven't come up with any real reasons for any of your lynch options. Your scumhunting has been zero. I don't care. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:29 yamato77 wrote: I'm not going to let him get away with doing nothing, and you shouldn't either. I'm not going to let him get away with shit friend - but there are more players than BH and plenty who are better lynches than BH on D1. That's all I'm gonna say on the matter - BH DOES still need to get back with us, and I WOULD consider him for a lynch today if he rails against demands for contribution. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:29 Mocsta wrote: Personally I found this to be a summary post. As for mattchew mindset, I didnt think it added anything new to the discussion that occured a fair bit before storrzerg entered the fray. It's fine - I was asked why I found it townie and that's my reasoning. I know you're suspicious of him and saw something totally different...I was asked about my read. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:33 Koshi wrote: VisceraEyes Is there a chance that you will lynch rayn? Proooobably not. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:34 yamato77 wrote: VE, if you're going to be mayor, I would like you to state clearly who you're considering lynching and give precise reasons why. Calm down dude. Though the game day draws to a close, the actual day is young. You shall have all you seek and more. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:37 Skanjab1s wrote: Also, there are many other people who have shown disinterest in the game, what are the differences between myself and them? You're here, trying to put on a show of "interest in the game". They, incidentally, are not. That, friend, is the difference. | ||
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And I don't need your vote Yamato - you're my opponent. Look I'll give you the list, and you can either wait for the reasoning (which will be coming) or not, but at least that way you'll be informed. Skanj4b, Pandain, hiro protagonist, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE, Yamato, can I get any of you on board for a Mocsta lynch? Prooobably not. What makes him a better lynch than, say, Skanjab? | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:39 Koshi wrote: Well I am sad. %wise I am certain he is the best choice. I think he rolled scum and his plan is to play a passive game and see how far he can ride it. Maybe get more involved when he gets interested. Ah ffs... Wait rayn...what has rayn done exactly? Has he done anything? | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:34 Skanjab1s wrote: Well, (1) is just wrong, as I am interested in this game. Basically, you just want to policy lynch, why not say that?. And if you are so content with lynching people who are disinterested, why is Sharrant not going up for lynch anymore? He has only made a single post since you were last here. Finally, why do you just want to lynch inactive people? You are a self-professed mayoral god, having NEVER failed to lynch scum D1 as a mayor, why have you shown zero interest in trying to lynch a scum-read? A large portion of your mayoral campaign is how good you are at reading peeps, so why go after a group of people who haven't posted much instead of attempting to find scum in the people who have? (2) Do it pls. I don't just want to lynch inactive people. I want to lynch people who are clearly not interested in helping me win the game. I'm going to lynch someone I think has the highest chance of flipping scum, period. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi I don't support your reads. Skanj4b: nha Pandain: nha just isn't playing hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha. Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today. Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why? This is your right. I wish you luck in your future endeavors sir. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: All votes in italics should be scrutinized. CC in particular is someone I've overlooked. Dang good call. What do you make of people not voting yet? I find them more scummy than off-voters to be honest. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:52 Skanjab1s wrote: Well, your lynch list is incomplete then, and it also shows this to be untrue, unless you are trying to convince me that town-VE would be so dense as to believe that inactivity=scum. I'm not trying to convince you of anything friend, in case you hadn't noticed you're on the chopping block and I'm about to become mayor. Obviously I don't have to convince you of shit. <3 | ||
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So like...how are you inactive if you're in here trying to smear shit on me? That's the question - if I'm talking about lynching you and you're not inactive, what's the policy exactly? | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:05 Skanjab1s wrote: You ain't this bad as town, I'll take solace in the graveyard and will be vomiting up a stream of "I told you so's" over alla mah peeps. So shall you all be covered in Skanjabile. I lol'd | ||
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LoneMeow - mason Skanjab1s - mason My Mason - mason HIS Mason - mason Pandain - mason | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: *I hope you know what you are doing. I'm just makin it up as I go along as always Rayn. It's not only the most fun way, but also the most unpredictable and safe way. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:59 thrawn2112 wrote: no I think not.. what's up? Nothing, you just replaced hiro who I considered heavily for lynch - please help me to not regret my decision. | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:00 Pandain wrote: Is that why you thought I was scum because you didn't think there were three masons? No, it's because you waited until the eleventh hour to do anything I considered worthwhile. | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:01 Pandain wrote: Not that it's certain but I predict the scum mason to be one of you or the other guy. If he's suspicious you might want to consider just outting him now. He's not - to me - so I'm gonna wait. | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nothing much. Mayor lynched dumb. People don't believe who i tell them is scum. Pretty standard stuff. I lynched Skan - who is not dumb in the least. It was a good lynch - he didn't give a shit about helping us win. | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: You could have lynched scum instead. That's why i voted for yamato. :/ You didn't /know/ Skan was town unless you're scum. You're being unreasonable. | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:06 Pandain wrote: I agree with that, though I'm interested in what's happening. If they're really really not suspicious then I wouldn't out them honestly. No reason to give scum more information; reason I suggest it is because me and lone are already known, so the two remaining would only be one more role that scum would know vs possibly one more scum that we would find. In this post Pandain slips that he knows that scum only have one mason. You're welcome guys. I'll be back before dawn. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A replacement would have to catch up on 3000 posts rather than 1000, VE. That hardly seems like a good choice. Presumably those on the replacement list are aware of their replacement status and are following along. But I see your point. I just need time then. | ||
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Like, as far as confirmed masons we have what? ?????? - the guy who masoned me (??? to you - I have a name to put here) LoneMeow - guy who masoned Yamato Skanjab1s And claims we have BH - thrawn claims BH masoned D1 Pandain - claimed mason D1, masoned SS? I think? And non-claimed masons that exist (who could maybe overlap with the above? Maybe?) ???????? - guy who masoned my mason (??? to you - I have a name to put here) ???????? - guy who masoned austinmcc And I'm probably even missing some. There's scum in there, there almost has to be. But yeah I think maybe we lynch based on analysis rather than try and limit the lynch to the masons trying to find scum that may or may not exist. Sooooo many posts. Ooooh woooooe is meeeeeee. | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:01 OOHCHILD wrote: Let me just clarify. I dont think the quote is scum on scum because in a way it's tooscummytobescum. As scum he probably wouldn't take such a blatantly ambivalent stance on his scumbuddy. Why? Why not? Why would he not take such a blatantly ambivalent stance on his scumbuddy? It's not like Mocsta was in danger of being lynched at the time, SS wasn't in favor of a Mocsta lynch until super late. But this was like, earlier in the day. | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Make no mistake that I am not advocating that scum conversations never happen, just that it was extremely early in the game and it is a very sarcastic/aggressive conversation to have as two people on a team. It looks emotionally charged, not fake Emotionally charged, not fake conversations between scum are actually pretty common. Oats/Moc, if on the same scumteam, would RELISH in an opportunity to get in each others face to make each other look town. This is just an FYI and has no bearing on my read of Oats - simply pointing out that from my experience with the both of them, their penchant for getting into it D1 as town is well known. Oats even comments on it in this thread. | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote: @koshi I meant thug life of course, where I misread oats terribly and made you do a bad shot @VE that early in the game? ill admit if i was wrong of course but im not going to vote for oats ESPECIALLY that early in the game dude. ESPECIALLY. It's like a tradition with them for real. | ||
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I'm gonna read up on LM. My biggest issue is that Yamato died. That makes LM look really bad right? So why would scum do it? Like WIFOMsauce or whatever, but it just seems like a really dumb shot for scum to take if LM is scum. | ||
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Like, that makes me think scum because he didn't do it in-thread. LMAO Oh BH, you rascal. | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:45 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah I have a strong townread on thrawn at this point. I think if thrawn wanted to, after masoning me last night, he could have pushed for my lynch easily today, and even gotten some credit after I flipped town for being wrong for the "right" reasons. The fact that he did not do so means he's actually trying to solve the game. It's a push he could make as town OR scum, but not taking that push on me is something I can't imagine he'd do as scum. I know that this isn't helpful for you, but hopefully it explains why for me I see him as town. Oh man so like, BH says he thinks thrawn is town for not telling the thread he's Assassin...thrawn reciprocates by telling the thread he's Assassin. I wonder if BH will ever trust thrawn again?!  | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's pretty simple. Assassins can't die to scum bullets. Assassins can die to lynches. Therefore assassins need to play as pro-town as possible (to not get lynched). Therefore BH is not an assassin but scum. Yeah this pretty much sums it up for me too. BH is very capable of appearing super pro town and lynch is like literally the only thing Assassin fears. Also take into account that BH's D1 contributions consisted of pushing an RNG lynch and lurking like a fuck - not really the play of someone whose only fear is being lynched, and on D1 with the lynch in the hands of one person (nevermind that it was me, just that it was 1 person instead of the whole town) it doesn't make any sense to consider that BH might /actually/ be an Assassin. This is a scum move. ##Unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand | ||
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On November 19 2013 10:45 Risen wrote: I didn't say he's not the lynch, I'm saying this is really easy and people need to take a step back. To where? You neglect to mention... | ||
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No, I'm town. Unlike you, I've been playing like I give a shit about town winning the game. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:05 Alakaslam wrote: I bet nobody reads Thrawn mason I read it. 5/5 would read again. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:06 Oatsmaster wrote: How do you even believe that? How do you not is the better question, because you're the one making the accusation. If you actually believe it, tell me why. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Like yeah if you lynched scum then were actually here n1/d2 then sure. BUT YOU DIDNT. You dont appear to give a shit. DUDE TWEEK DIDN'T FUCKING CARE! I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM OATS! I FUCKING THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM AND I WAS WRONG OATS! WHAT THE FUCK!? | ||
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Ehhhh...So what do you guys think about Pandain? BE HONEST NOW!! | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town. He has given me no reason to believe otherwise. I have reason. Pretty good reason, actually. Once I remember what it is I'll get back with you. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I don't think hes tricked me. I recognize he may not have convinced you of anything but I honestly don't think hes tricked me. Well could you weigh in on the BH/Oats thing? Because I was really just mentioning Pandain because Oats and super were arguing, but I'd really like ur input on the stuff that's going on. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: You meant to say you agree with what i have been saying for 3 days. I have barely read what's been said in the last three days. If you've been saying it for 3 days then yes, I agree with you too. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to be quite honest dude. Your spam and your zeal put people off reading you. Don't be surprised if youve been ignored. This isn't it. It's that I've been without power and haven't had means to catch up as much as I'd like...what time I've had has been dedicated to filtering people I've been suspicious of/that are being talked about and I haven't done nearly as much actual contextual reading as I'd want. I was saving it for the night-phase because we have the BH thing. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:31 Mattchew wrote: this post screams of "i have perfect information" This post screams "Please don't modkill me my scumteam would be FURIOUS!" | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:40 Mig wrote: Did VE ever post any game changing revelations? No this was a false alarm. Sorry to give ya blue-balls or whatever, I just had a moment in one of my masons. You probably don't know what I'm talking about but players I'm often in Masons with do. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i think thrawn is pretty much the towniest town in the town. I mean I don't agree with this or anything. I think I'm more obvious town than thrawn. But I'm baised. | ||
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