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On November 15 2013 02:33 yamato77 wrote: BC is the only one I would say is in my ballpark if I'm on top of my game and he's usually a lurky fuck in big games. Oh, and super is really good, but I'm sexier. what ballpark am I in if im at the top of my game? | ||
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Also, can people stop making excuses pre game about inactivity shite If you only have an hour a day, or 30 minutes a day whatever make quality posts in that window that show your effort and it corresponds do you availability. Making excuses pre game is like giving yourself the out if you flip red. | ||
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On November 15 2013 03:55 thrawn2112 wrote: foolishness, thrawn, djodref wasnt this the game where I gave the town the entire scum list on my exit post as an assassin? and then town still lost the game? | ||
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I suggest people quit random spouting shit on who they are going to vote for or not vote for until we have a solid list of candidates. I dont know, like a selection of people who actually have a plan on how to deal with the game? Lets break out this election for those who haven't fully read the OP or compared it to previous games of past with elections. Mayor/pardoner are targetable by night actions, as well as have no bgs. However. This game also fails to have roles to easily and quickly tell if the elected bodies are mafia or an assassin. A tracker can only get so much info. As such to remove the annoyance of dealing with a mafia / assassin being elected whoever gets voted in should prove their worth of the position. As much as a bunch of players like myself, VE, super, mig, etc... would want to be elected? Make us fucking earn it. We are high priority shots for mafia for sure but without bgs all the roles do is make us vets IE still killable early into the game most likely. As such. Make us earn the election. Be it through whatever means you guys decide as a whole, but realistically no one should be sliding into these slots. Clear established reads on whoever gets in is whats required here. Also, VE your arguing with oats about past games is fucking annoying and cluttering up the thread. Also note: Anyone actively voting for a troll in this election should be lynched for obvious reasons. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:55 austinmcc wrote: Ezpz. Could be interpreted as pro-town, could be trolly. He gets poked about his post. His response is meh, not overwhelmingly townie. BUT. BUT BUT BUT This post is good. This is a legitimate point, and something I also want people to talk about (see questions to risen/sharrant). Plan + meh + good followup to plan before leaving = townie to me. It shows me that, while he's not super actively involved in side discussion or reads, he's thinking about how to use the setup to town's advantage. Nobody else has done this to the same extent as hiro. Biggest issue with the plan to off the pardoner is coordinating the votes properly to achieve this. It requires a group of people day 1 who don't trust eachother to work together on a solid 1 person choice on who should be mayor, then getting enough people to split the vote just to get 1 player whos pardoner offed. Its a solid idea, but its actual act of pulling it off is really bloody hard. I do give points for trying to break the setup, but I find it very hard to believe that a plan like this won't end up getting someone who shouldnt be elected elected, or town lynched stupidly | ||
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Risen however has made a post that I fucking loath. On November 15 2013 11:41 Risen wrote: Can't be bothered to read all this. Love it when I'm scum, reason I hate being town. Anyone who cannot be bothered to read a game of mafia from start to finish when town should be fucking banned from playing. I seriously cannot get behind people who do this shit. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:54 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think that's true at all. Lots of townies push RNG normally including myself. You posted a long fluffy post with 3 weak points. Storrzerg played the noob card- It's not scummy for newbs to use the noob card. He added the word for between hunt scum - wat? He thinks it would be a good idea to suggest RNG to raise activity - How does that make him scum? RNG is a dumb as fuck way to approach things. Also Storr cant play the noob card because hes not a newb. Hes been playing for ages. A player being mayor or not before does not mean they will make a good choice. Someone who is clearly making solid choices and decisions is who should get it. If storr thinks he can win with the "noob" card we should lynch him purely on the fact hes not new. Given that he wants to add RNG to the list as well then it seems to me like we have a good solid day 1 removal unless he straightens himself out | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:49 OOHCHILD wrote: Fuck balls I'll read this later Pretty bad start given that people want you to be mayor | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:53 Alakaslam wrote: And it's not even all that long yet the first 15 pages is pregame chatter. yep. Now you understand part of my annoyance. Also I haven't read any of your previous games but keep posting like you are and I see no issue with it. Its clear and easy to read. Only thing time / practice will teach you is how to better articulate what you want / convince people of things. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:56 Grackaroni wrote: Storrzerg is still playing in newbies games, and quite frankly his handling of the cop claim with me last game in Hogwarts was rather silly. I <3 RNG. Liking RNG doesn't make somebody scum. I actually think scum should be more afraid of RNG. I disagree completely. RNG is stupid as fuck. We aren't playing a lottery we are playing a game of mafia. Why would I be random when I can read what people say / what they ignore and base my reads/votes accordingly? RNG when you have information is dumb and clearly not in the benefit of the town. Factor in we have mayor elections and you are advocating giving someone a role that is powerful for no good reason aside from you like rng is dumb as fuck. Also what? how is he still in newbie games. | ||
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Grackeroni This guy is clearly red. Nothing he has done in the span of the game so far is in anyway shape or form actions of town. One of his opening posts is this On November 15 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote: There is only one party and that party is Kush. Come and recognize it's master. ##Vote: Kushm4sta All who oppose him shall be branded an enemy of the state. Kush is one of the single most disruptive players I have ever played with. He trolls and is generally unhelpful and annoying. Anyone advocating a waste of skin player to be elected is not doing it for any purposes other than his own sadistic pleasure and general fuck you stance to everyone hes playing with. No town should be doing this period. After that post he follows it up with retarded back and forth comments with pandain calling the two of them mafia (himself and pandain). He then calls out someone for calling them mafia and says he should have kush kill them. Nothing really important and all trolling. All incredibly annoying. He then proceedes to say that he will only tell us if he finds mafia, and will 100% accept whatever decision pandain says unless he otherwise says. Hes not being helpful hes directly passing off all responsibility of his "reads" to another player. Town has no bloody reason to do this. He ignores all reads for ages accept for storr in which he tries to elegantly duck out from at first then all in defends the guy on terrrrible reasons. RNG is never good, Storr isn't a newb. He then continues to troll and spout useless "non alignment indicative" drival which is imo a huge tell about him. He has been incredibly active compared to most players and said exactly nothing of substantial quality nor is he even attempting to do so or promising to do so. He has shown that he doesn't fucking care about town and thus should be removed by fire. Lets move on to the next one shall we Storrzerg The guy has pulled out RNG as a reason to lynch people and has continuously in most of his posts pulled the newb card. I know for a fact he played with me years ago and may be rusty but is in no shape or form new. I also know he plays mafia elsewhere. The fact he pulls a card he should be fully aware at least some of us know is a lie raises insane red flags for me. Anyone who actively lies about something to manipulate an election to his own advantage cannot be town. I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more. VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined. Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: BC would you like to be mayor? Also what do you think of Skan? I always like being Mayor. Skan atm is a null read for me but he has said some really dumbass shit. Its not alignment indicative but if he keeps it up he will shift from null to red. He is leaning scum on two of my strongest town reads currently for no real reason on either. He calls out a mason for being scum when said player hasn't done anything in game. I mean was LM's masoning fucking weird? yes because he hadn't posted. Was it scummy as shite? no because he gave us a null tell reason. Of that entire masoning situation Yamato was retarded and outted potentially a town powerrole. He should have waited until talking with LM more and giving him a chance to post to get a better read. Then again outing roles day 1 usually is a bad idea barring certain circumstances. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he wanting me dead does not make him scum. Im not saying it makes him scum but why are you fine with leaving someone alone who doesn't want you to live? I find your reaction to it strange. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC i like some of your points on Grackaroni. I dislike the early parts of your case because Grackaroni was obviously just trolling. Could you comment on my case on HF? Ill look over the case after this and give my opinion but if you've read any games with me I really fucking hate trolling. To keep it up longterm or even start then stop then start again to me is a giant scum tell. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched: *also elect me as mayor* 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen can't possibly get me lynched when i am town and me arguing with him about it does nothing good because i am fairly sure we can't come to an agreement. So it's better for everyone if i let him do his own stuff, if he's town he will probably realize i am town at some point, if he is scum i don't know but we'll see about that later. I would say the only issue I have with this is he doesn't need to get you lynched. He just needs to convince a player like me, yamato, etc... Then we would get you lynched. Ignoring someone fully while sometimes understandable you realllly need to be clear why you are doing so when you first ignore them or it makes people question you. | ||
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or you should be less bad? See how this game is played. How about you give me some real scum reads now rather than terrible ones. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:55 Koshi wrote: Told you guys he would come back with a bang. @BC StorrZerg - Not enough content, don't understand why so many people are disappointed with him, because that is the main reason on why he is scum? Wasn't that incredible awesome in Hogwarts. Grackeroni - Can lynch. Don't know if he would flip red. Truly useless. Don't know if he plays this game to find scum. @rayn Holyflare - I liked Holyflare his posts in Hogwarts on D1, don't like them now. Could be because he doesn't know the answers this game. Don't see why he is scummy. dude my issue is I played with him near the beginning of TL mafia. My issue isn't his content it was the clear misrepresentation of his status. Hes not a newbie and hes trying to play on that to get elected. Why manipulate people into giving you something instead of proving yourself worthy of it. | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:05 Skanjab1s wrote: Says the guy who took a whole page to say that Grack likes to troll. Go read my old games. You will notice my hatred of trolls is well founded, but I still read their posts as they tend to actually slip up. Trolling is never acceptable and the way he is doing it actively hurts the town. Trolling can still be done in a way that while annoying as shit benefits the town. He has done nothing that is good and all that is bad. Look at the way he does his trolling compared to the positive ways he could and you will notice my read is pretty well founded. | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:08 Grackaroni wrote: The correct answer is: BloodyC0bbler! ##Vote: Yamato Ive said quite a bit actually. Thanks for making me read from 95% to a full 100% | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:12 Grackaroni wrote: Your hatred of trolls is irrelevant. If your scum hunting is just long detailed out cases for people being trolls (which is essentially a policy lynch, not a scum lynch than you need to go. You want to look useful but you arent I also pointed out points that make you scum. Perhaps you should read it more. I have clear points against you that are more than "he trolled" | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Grackaroni¤tpage=3 tell me how that game differs from this one. Hint, grack was town in that one | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:55 Grackaroni wrote: Friendly advice. It's best to include games from both alignments when trying to make a meta case I think you are red here, so compare this game to that game? Surprisingly they are very different. That is the "meta" case. If I was having issues reading you I would deff have a list of games from both sides to compare to but I think I tagged you properly | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:53 Mig wrote: A lot of my thoughts are based off the only recent game I have played with people. Before BC's post I was most suspicious of Grack. Now I am concerned that BC wrote out 5 paragraphs on Grack's trolling. BC should know better. Grack is still shady tho and hasn't been nearly as confident with his plays as he was in white flag. Hopeless - Useless and already making excuses for inactivity. He was quite helpful and confident in white flag. Mocsta- the hunt scum/for scum is possibly the dumbest argument I have ever read for why someone is scum and really seemed like he was stretching facts to make a case. BC is of the old school generation where you would post by post analysis. Sadly that means you will get a breakdown of virtually every post the guy has made when I make a case. It may make it long and wordy but at least you get my thought process in full. | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fair enough. He does seem to take the game a lot more serious there than he has been here. I checked White Flag out too though and he spent a good deal of Day 1 arguing about RNG lynching, here it was the mayor election. He was more proactive in both White Flag and Hogwarts than he has been so far though, I'll give you that. Why didn't you make this comparison immediately though? I like this post a lot. Similar thoughts on BC and Mocsta. Haven't had the experience with Hopeless yet, will look into him. I honestly didnt notice it til after. I haven't read white flag, or hogwarts. I also don't tend to read games if I haven't played in them. At an attempt to not repeat mistakes of my last large game I was in I opted to attempt a new route given how badly my normal one was received. | ||
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so aside from me as a scum read, what are your reads yo? Since being called out you still haven't done anything really but defend yourself and attempt to discredit me | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Still on phone. Artanis I thought I was in that game where you linked your disdain for SS' play (and he smurfed). I distinctly remember reading that before and agreeing that I felt SS was a little too abrasive at times but that it was his playstyle. I have him as null ATM because I consider him like yamato, a cranky, cocky sonofabitch who is difficult to reason with. This deal with storr - in Hogwarts he asked some really dumb questions that resulted in him getting a townread from me. I don't find him playing the noob card to be that bad based on that experience. Its something he is trying to embrace and make a platform on to stand apart from the vets IMO. How else could he win against the likes of BC, SS, BH, Mig, etc? I need to reread what HF has said about rayn unless someone else has found that rayn is correct and HF made up the part where rayn called risen town/ how that played out. Rayn is clinging to that part quite strongly. when you get back you need to have sizably more than this. You really haven't touched base on stuff that needs to given how little your posting | ||
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You've had 6 hours and are apparently reading the thread. So how about you input on whats been going on rather than bashing one player for not agreeing with your terrible read. | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:18 supersoft wrote: at some point, i have to ram some posts into the ground. two posts are that VE is town and Yamato is town. I won't question these reads until something serious happens that rattles these reads to be honest I can see yamato as town, i just don't think hes someone who should get elected. You / me / ve currently should be snagging those vests. I haven't seen anything out of yamato that says he should have extra night lives | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:54 VayneAuthority wrote: bl00oooo0oddyc00o0o0bler could you clarify why you chose grackaroni specifically to call out for trolling hes clearly active while posting near no content while "appearing" to weigh in on things. I noticed he was doing it, watched, have seen 0 improvement and thus why I opted for him. hes given material to hang him with. | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: PS I am now beginning to read the thread, but will also be checking here at the end of the thread if anyone has questions or concerns you really should have read the thread before tossing out that campaign post. Just saying | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:15 StorrZerg wrote: This is also pretty convenient to not provide actual scum reads when running for mayor. And when your lynch flips town "well he was trolling so good lynch anyway" becomes acceptable. I can't agree with this How about you look at the other points I made on grack, how about you take a gander at the town grack filter I provided and compare to this game. All you are doing currently is repeating shit others have said and defending yourself. How about some real contribution since youve been gone so long and plan to be absent a ton in the near future | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:25 StorrZerg wrote: YES LETS BE ANGRY BECAUSE STORR IS DEFENDING HIMSELF AND SHITTING UP YOUR SHITTY READS LOLOLOL idk if you have made any other points yet, still catching up you haven't provided any new content since you returned. No real reads, only defending yourself. Seems legit for me to harass you given how much you've been posting the last few pages. | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Why does e'erybody always wanna kill the BC? im not sure. Every game day 1 im always a popular shoot with fire. | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:59 Risen wrote: Storr won't vote for you b/c he's afraid you're going to lynch him. not sure why. Hes not my #1 read. I think hes scum but at least hes put in a tiny bit of effort. Not much, but some at least. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless I mistook his attitude, because his platform is one of lynching randomly, he's not prioritizing reading the thread and getting back with us. doesn't seem like a good excuse to lurk for no reason all game | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:28 Mig wrote: BC why did you vote super as mayor and why not run for mayor yourself? because I believe that ve/ss/myself should be elected. I also like the idea of voting for someone else to get in if i can. One doesnt need to vote for themself | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:33 Mig wrote: If you know you are town and you believe you should be elected why wouldn't you push for yourself? You have made no case for why you should be elected at all. Can you explain exactly why ss is a good candidate to be elected? If im going to be elected its going to be on my contributions not my bloody telling of people they should do it cause im a super vet. I have said I want to be elected and have subsequently done what I believe coincides with that want. I think SS is town and I think VE is town. If i'm not getting votes I should make sure the two people who should be there get to be there. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:41 VayneAuthority wrote: There always runs the risk of mafia getting one of the spots, and if past games have told us anything mafia usually does get pardoner at the least because they just have to latch onto a few townies votes to get some one in. So there is a risk in just blindly following some one that isn't yourself True, but given he and VE are my strongest two town reads, I know im town, and recognize more people have current doubts of me apparently than SS why would I not make sure the two people I believe are town aside from myself get control of spots the mafia could run amok with? | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:42 Mig wrote: I just find it hard to believe you are ever going to end up mayor if you don't even vote for yourself. Seems kind of like a half hearted attempt to me. Why do you think SS is town? More so than VE? I really don't get the SS = town, at least compared to VE/yamato who both seem more likely to be town to me. let me ask you this, why do you think Yamato is town? hes done absolutely nothing to me to warrant that read. I like ss's posts and they remind me strongly of every game ive seen him as town. VE feels exactly like a town VE to me. Both are playing in ways I associate with solid town play and play I expect out of them. How about you mig. Who do you think is mafia and who do you think is town? In regards to me ending up mayor. I want it yes, but if two people I trust to not be mafia end up getting those slots, then its almost as good as me being there. I don't care if I die provided my death gets us closer to a town victory. If that means I eat a bullet slightly earlier then so be it. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm just trying to understand the dichotomy here because supersoft has served a mafia agenda until recently where he has cooled it off a bit. If I had to choose between myself and SS I would easily give myself the spot. I completely disagree. Supersoft to me has done absolutely everything to further town goals. Also I would never vote for you over him. If people were more inclined to vote me would I vote for myself? Likely but given that no one seems to want to (look how many people have already said they don't like me for a role) why would I not then put my stance behind someone else who should get it. If somehow ve is at a loss to get a slot ill swap my vote, but currently that seems incredibly unlikely | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:54 Mig wrote: Combination of a few things, 1) tone of posts (doesn't seem worried about being viewed as town) 2) claiming that he will use the pardoner role if given it, since most people view pardoner as pro mafia I don't think many mafia would be willing to risk saying they will use it in public. 3) Revealing LM as mason. I think it was really stupid to do so but there isn't any reason for mafia to reveal this at all. Just seems like a dumb town move. Hes been incredibly inactive and his tone of voice makes him seem like a dick, its a null tell Claiming he will use the pardoner role if given it is extremely anti town. No single player should ever use that role period barring some weird last minute mystery reason and outing a potential blue role before giving the player a chance to justify their actions is incredibly shady. You don't see a reason to reveal it? it means if LM eats a bullet yamato can claim "oops i fucked up" and be absolved of responsibility for the dead power role. Nothing you mentioned is anything aside from a null tell. A town or mafia member can spout that shit. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:56 Mig wrote: In my current notes I have Hopeless/grack/mocsta/storr/rayne under reds. I feel most confident in hopeless/grack (as I mentioned in a previous post). You really haven't given any strong reasons as to why you think any of these guys are red. You mentioned them, but not in any real detail. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:59 yamato77 wrote: BC, arguing people off a townread of me is extremely unproductive. If you want any credibility, I want follow up reads on Storr since he's been more active since you last accused him. This is also something I want to know, because super hasn't done jack shit this game at all. Your view of unproductive is different than mine. I am getting answers i require to get a solid read on a player. Surprisingly knowing their thought process is required for that. Also storr never did anything substantial on his return to sway my belief of his alignment. He didn't provide any big new pieces of information. He didn't really do anything except defend himself. Fact of the matter is he looks worse than he did before. He and grack are still my two top reads for scum. That hasn't changed and neither has done anything to change that belief. | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:07 yamato77 wrote: "incredibly inactive" more posts than you, more time in the thread holy fuck you're just spouting shit reminds me of LXI regrettably, you're probably town for this This is the last real post I will have on this matter yamato as again I don't want to repeat LXI however. I have been here off and on all bloody day and a chunk of last night. Whereas you attacked me while I was sleeping then vanished for the majority of the day. More posts than someone doesn't mean more activity. I am not technically wrong on this. You can disagree with me all you want but from my perception you haven't been here a shit ton. | ||
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Both are the best choices excluding myself for the elected slots. No offense to yamato but he is not in the same caliber to warrant the extra night life IMO compared to the three of us. | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:13 Onegu wrote: I actually thought BC was slightly townie. His posts about mayor were very townie IMO. There are a few points I am going to bring up and he should answer though. First after people bring up that storrzerg has played in recent newbies he kept attacking people who called storr a newb, I thought he was a bit agressive in doing so but not in a scummy way. @BC what is the difference between grack trolling and supersoft trolling? And who else is scum besides storr and grack? I still have to go over his filter but what I remember from just reading thread SS was uber agressive and trolling. Gracks trolling is doing absolutely no good to anyone this game. it isn't done in any helpful manner (which trolling can be done in). Give that his activity only really spiked when pressured then he vanished into the wind to not appear and contribute it screams fucking scum. Compare to SS (as you can see his behaviour in the last few hours) has been done to poke and prod people to get responses out of them to get reads. Everything he has done has had purpose behind it that all imo come down to town motivated reasons. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:29 Pandain wrote: I don't know I think it's that I didn't want to vote him right away. I would hazard to guess its because you have a really meh filter for day 1. im not saying you are scum, but im not saying you've done enough to be called town either. | ||
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Grackeroni I have already harped on this guy. nothing has changed, at all. He hasn't posted anything groundbreaking, he hasn't attempted to really help the town in any way. Given that he has shown no compulsion to help even after being called out, I see no reason to think hes town. Storrzerg My read here has altered slightly in that I still think hes red, but he could end up being town. I am moving him to a null read given that if he keeps posting like he has been I am willing to say my initial read was wrong Hiro He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise Blazinghand The guy is fucking retarded. He is inactive for 24 hours, busts out with a shitty campaign post spouting horseshit, says hes gonna catch up and post then proceeds to have spotty play. He doesn't post any reads, he still defends bad play, he even then when called on it and sees his name up for a possible lynch claims tracker with the worst possible bread crumb in the world. He has done nothing useful whatsoever. I expect far more out of him than what he has given. I do think at this point barring weird fucking circumstances i can confidently say Supersoft, VE are town, yamato and artanis i have strong leanings on being town. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:53 Mattchew wrote: i am not supportive of the SS wagon, i dont really like the way its developed Can you say why? You have given no real input this game aside from statements with no information behind them | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote: I also pointed out that i believed one of his attacks are policy(grack) and that either alignment could have made them, and it felt like he was not actually looking for scum. The case on myself was about a difference of opinion. From our convo, i would think its pretty clear both of us cannot be scum. I could possibly see it as a case that town bc would make, but i find it an easy case for mafia BC to make since he all ready made his case on grack which was policy. Overall it feels like a super weak start to the infamous BC. This is another post where he attacks, yet no content is provided. What happened to make me look worse? How could i look even worse when i was "scum" earlier. I see bc tunneling on 2 people and throwing out some town reads. He does try and help town to vote for VE and SS which i can agree with so he earns points for that. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: read time Grackeroni I have already harped on this guy. nothing has changed, at all. He hasn't posted anything groundbreaking, he hasn't attempted to really help the town in any way. Given that he has shown no compulsion to help even after being called out, I see no reason to think hes town. Storrzerg My read here has altered slightly in that I still think hes red, but he could end up being town. I am moving him to a null read given that if he keeps posting like he has been I am willing to say my initial read was wrong Hiro He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise Blazinghand The guy is fucking retarded. He is inactive for 24 hours, busts out with a shitty campaign post spouting horseshit, says hes gonna catch up and post then proceeds to have spotty play. He doesn't post any reads, he still defends bad play, he even then when called on it and sees his name up for a possible lynch claims tracker with the worst possible bread crumb in the world. He has done nothing useful whatsoever. I expect far more out of him than what he has given. I do think at this point barring weird fucking circumstances i can confidently say Supersoft, VE are town, yamato and artanis i have strong leanings on being town. Now i finally see some BC that has started to change. He has changed his view on myself, yet i don't see why. I'm not sure what changed, cause he goes from storr scum for "newby card + rng" then "even more scum for recent post, no idea what this post is or posts" , and then to null because ???? Can't read much into his grack opinion, other than town bc would jump on grack and so would scum Hiro has to fall in the same spot with grack. AKA BC just jumping on a lurk. (Hiro ends up replaced i think) BH, this maybe better in terms of looking for scum. Yet it still feels like an easy jump that is less based on BH being mafia and more BH being trolly Overall i don't see much from BH int terms of scum hunting and his change in view seems to lack reason. Maybe im expecting to much of him, but im leaning Scum on BH. in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason. I love the fact people are predictable. First off. Day 1. I tunneled 1 person for the entirety of the day. hell I still think grack is scum. However my reasons behind changing my view should be apparent to anyone with a fucking brain. You pulled your head more or less out of your ass and began not being a fully stinking pile of shit. Im sorry I didnt tell you that my read changed because you were doing better, I was unaware I was supposed to pamper you and tell you that you're a big boy. Seriously, though, I love seeing you perform. You have managed to really do a good job making me think you are just a massive retard though. Do you agree with my read on grack? Does he look terrible? Has he done anything that is in any shape or form a solid contribution? IMO he hasn't thus scum. You say its something a town or scum me would do so null point. You then say I helped town try and organize its leaders, you then get mad I opt to single out two players as scum reads. One for very obvious reasons (BH) and Hiro. Ive played many games with him, it fit his meta. Why wouldn't I think he was scum til proven otherwise. I also take huge offense to someone who hasn't done any scum hunting in this game attacking me for actually doing it. Did I do what you expected? who fucking cares. I have done what I could in the time I had and picked out people who stood out to me. The fact you have "mattchew" in your mafia circle and have had to be goaded by another player into giving any opinions of your own out is fucking terrible. For a days worth of contributions you apparently think im scum, mattchew is scum and austin is town. So not only did I have more scum reads than you, I also had more town reads. I know you are capable of more than this, and the fact you are attempting to pull this shit is infuriating. Oh wait, you also have actively attempted to divert anything that could potentially save my life in the off chance there is a suicide bomber in this game. Rather than fear mongering how about you drop a real case on me. If you want to call me scum, actually do it. Don't beat around the bush, actually follow through. If I wasn't so damn sure now that your just a retard Id call you scum again. However I don't even think a scumteam would let a member of theirs post a pile of crap like this. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:24 Pandain wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Stutters695 This is unacceptable and is also a pretty good lynch. Don't say that this is always Stutters play because he played damn better in ##. And he said he was going to lurk alot in his scum game with me when we were both scum. The part for BH that I can't get over is that he justifies his claim which is the main force certifying my scum read of him. can you link to where he said that? | ||
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as for people mentioned in mocstas Filter. Bc- Defends me when people were suggesting to lynch me. I view this as a scum ploy to buddy up to me but recognize it makes me look bad Grack - was one of his top two scum reads. Venomously attacks him. Only way he can be concievably scum is if grack bussed him for some reason. Reactions from mocsta would only make sense in that case. Still very unlikely given no sane person would bus their own vig. HF - mentions him as a null read Kush - has very friendly interactions with. No real serious comments were involved. Null read at best storrzerg - was his #1 scum read. Doesn't matter as storr flipped town and mocsta claimed the shot before dying. mattchew - Calls mattchew town based on meta from previous games. Lonemeow - defends LM from people and attacks them for potentially driving him out of the game. He had some aggressive conversations with artanis. Attempts to hold conversation with both austin, rayn and spag. | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I approve that BH is not a good lynch. Why? He hasn't actively scum hunting, claimed a role that doesn't make sense with two flipped trackers and semi trolled. Nothing has really added up in his favour. We have one flipped scum who went out of his way to ignore him. If not him, who would you recommend as your #1 lynch? | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really do not like this post. Where are the conclusions? Coming in another post. I need to think on it all properly. However, I also realize people don't like to filter dive and thus am pulling this out for slight ease for others to access. | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote: you think BH as scum just lol-claimed tracker D1? What are the odds of two dying N1. If scum has a rolecop the only fake claim they have is tracker. If you are an assassin the only fakeclaim you have is tracker. You still have to lie, but its the only "lie" that is believable enough to save yourself. He thought he might die to lynch and claims. Given flips it screams fake, and factor in his horribad play day one + how bad it is for town to fake claim I find it hard to see him as anything but currently | ||
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A) large games B) full of big names I think its the best pool to work with. Mocsta's doesn't like starting confrontation with his own teammates. In fact he doesn't really like causing a ton of confrontation period. He carefully and calmly writes his posts. In Personality he opted to tunnel corazon until he died. This game he was tunneling Storr and grack. Aside from that he likes to drop reads without giving any solid background information for. He likes to buddy up to strong vet players and avoid sticking his neck out whatsoever. He makes basic comments on situations but only enough to appear active / fan the flames. To be quite honest his play in personality 2 and here is borderline identical. This only changes near the end of the game when mafia was basically the only ones left with a small pool of townies. Given that I would say virtually every name he mentioned is likely town given his history of actively ignoring his team in thread. As such I would tentatively list the group I mentioned before as all likely town. The only odd exception to this although very slight would be grack. I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality. | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote: BC you spent a lot of time digging into moc's filter and came away with basically only town reads. Is your conclusion that scum are probably people he didn't talk about? And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish Very likely yes. He engages austin in personality 2 twice in very non confrontational posts then promptly ignores him for a few days. Anyone in the filter he partially interacted with and stress interacted with could potentially be red but it isn't a strong possibility. I think hopeless needs to honestly step up and honestly contribute something of value. His response to me of 2 days worth of reading summarized on 3 people in two sentences is god fucking awful. | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:57 Hopeless1der wrote: you'll recall i scummily cited "internet problems" and "the weekend" for inactivity excuses. I'm sorry I havent been furiously typing away making the be-all-end-all case of the century. Oats is full of shit and I wouldnt mind seeing thrawn flip atm. But thats rage and indignation talking, not a real scumread. I'm going back to filters. im sorry, weekend doesnt really validate a real excuse to me. I worked over 20 hours in the last two days and have still been able to read the thread and post some. So again, weekend really isn't an excuse. Hell im not even asking you to have been typing a ton of cases. I WANT MORE THAN TWO FUCKING SENTENCES ON 90 FUCKING PAGES OF CONTENT | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Good point, agreed. I'm gonna meta the fuck out of marv right now because I believe at least one of the supervets has to be scum. Marv is known for balancing his setups and doesn't believe in RNG. Therefore I find it likely that given ss is pretty town, it has to be between VE/the Cobbler/Mig. This is another reason why I'd like to see the Cobbler hang. Also because I like saying the Cobbler, and this gives me plenty of opportunities for that. So still reading to catch up but this post is incredibly bad artanis. Like really bad. I use actual meta using detailed and documented play from mocsta to get a read on things. Its why grack could still be red given how mocsta's scumplay is. HOWEVER You then are trying to say "lets off bc" because of a host? Rather than attempting to build a real case, prove im scum, etc... You are going on the "one of the supervets needs to be scum cause marv wouldn't do that" Surprisingly I can honestly say quite easily that marv is as likely to make every member of a mafia team a supervet to be a dick as much as he is to make the entire team trolls for the same reason. Theory crafting a host decision is always a bad idea as no one knows how a host balances a game. Also rayn, Yamato didn't want to kill me for ages. As much as I appreciate you may dislike my return to the thread, please keep your facts more or less current. Using someones words from ages before they changed them is cherry picking peoples opinions to manipulate facts to push your own agenda. Given that Yamato changed his position completely I'm surprised that you instead didn't try to say "well storr wanted him dead" | ||
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On November 19 2013 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't worry BC you are not getting lynched today and i am planning on outing a fuckton of scum today. Any scumreads you have besides Grackaroni`? Im still curious to know why your ending point on me was an indirect lie btw. | ||
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On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: What was an indirect lie? Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1. Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game. Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that. Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"? Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse? His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta? its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote: That's rayn his point. BH says he isn't a tracker, but in the same sentence knows that he wasn't RB. How did he know he wasn't RB when he did no night action? bleh misread bh's statement. Ignore that I am wrong. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Im pretty confused BC. So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum? He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well this is maybe the worst case i have ever heard. Sorry. At least mine was honest. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I thought you had a meta reason. But you have no reason. What is this BC. Simple, meta says he doesnt directly talk to scummates until he has to Meta says he until that point only interacts with town Meta also says he keeps his cool and calmly makes posts His interactions with grack were not calm, or cool. They were extremely heated. Untop of that grack continiously poked at him. That means he'd have to interact with him on some level. His demeanor changed from what you expect to see. IE it wasn't the same style of posting he normally does, this can only change for 2 reasons He knew grack was scum and pissed He knew grack was assassin and pissed. Someone who shows an aptitude for not getting angry suddenly doing so means things have changed and usually because their shell cracked. He was getting pressured by a bunch of people but only 1 made him flip out. Why? | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:45 thrawn2112 wrote: oats read gracks filter. what has he done besides not commit to actual scumhunting and resort to trolling whenever people try to get him to commit to scumhunting? ignore mocsta. tbh I agree with BC 100% on his analysis of moc's posts concerning grack and BH has made good points about the possible interactions between moc/grack. but ignore all of that. what is your read on grack when you ignore all of that? @BC I can see both town and mafia reasons for what hes doing. I was heavily leaning town until he started pushing for claims. If a group of 3 people opted to not out 2 masons they likely had a reason. I also don't like that he lied in his case against me. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: So BC does not want mafia outed. check. Explain how it outs mafia please. Id agree that sure there are likely scum within the masons however we have what? 7 or 8 at this point running around/confirmed by death? How can you confirm that with 2 more names to the pool you have guarenteed mafia? | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: What BC? Can you guess what reasons the people have for not outing masons? Why is outing masons good for scum and bad for town? Yeah this is looking worse and worse for BC. How? this setup is completely different than normal. masons can also have roles according to the OP. We just lost 4 blues in one day. You are opening up to a) lose more and b) fuck the game over with clear the masons. Ive played that game before. It goes extremely fucking badly. You end up centering on people purely for a role and attempt to lynch/vig into a group properly and if you fail you end up offing town. If there is some foolproof plan involved let everyone hear it. If hes asking for claims he should be upfront about why. | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: HE SAYS HE WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. IN THE SAME POST HE RETRACTS FROM HIS TRACKER CLAIM? srsly you can't read or are you scum? if he knows he wasn't roleblocked it means he is one of these things Mafia with a role that gets feedback (rolecop/vig) town role that gets feedback (tracker/vig/maybe hatter) Assassin that gets feedback from his check So if you specifically look at just the roleblock portion you know hes one of those things. | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:46 Mig wrote: Ok I am back. BC's case against Grack is completely retarded and factually incorrect. Did anyone read mocsta's filter before blindly believing that mocsta was only mad towards Grack? If anything mocsta might have been more angry with artanis. Mocsta also insults me and supersoft as well in his posts. I am not liking BC right now. His initial case against Grack was fluffed up with 5 paragraphs about trolling and now this bs. He doesn't insult you really he calls your spreadsheet laughable. Not the same reaction he gave to grack. He said he expected better from supersoft. Again not exactly the same level as what he did with grack. of those 3 quotes you used the closest thing you'd have to "dubunking" me is him calling artanis a dipshit. However lets look at [QUOTE]On November 17 2013 23:34 Mocsta wrote: Grack I'm gonna unleash a case on this fucker later on. But he is the cause of my pain this game: constantly trying to discredit me since I targetted his buddy Storrzerg. The worse thing is, he has been so consistent repeating the same message that others are starting to buy it. STOP! [QUOTE] [QUOTE]On November 15 2013 12:01 Mocsta wrote: Storrzerg isn't a noob. Anyways. This is pointless. I have identified my grievances with storrzerg and am somewhat surprised that you and oats are trying to cockblock storrzerg from having to respond. I don't like this from either of you. My suggestion is to shut up and let storrzerg respond. You can reassess your reads from there. In the meantime. Grack. You dodged my question. Who do YOU want to lynch, cos all I'm hearing is who you don't.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On November 15 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On November 15 2013 15:37 Grackaroni wrote: I'm actually one of the few people not throwing out free town reads.[/QUOTE] Disagree. Everything you are doing is cockblocks. And then hide behind pandain as the source of your scum reads. You don't even comment if pandain is a strong town read for you to be able to share so strongly those reads. So yes, I disagree vehemently[/QUOTE] he has a few more in there. Seriously his reactions with everyone else and grack is worlds apart. I would like you to input on more than just this though mig. | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He doesn't insult you really he calls your spreadsheet laughable. Not the same reaction he gave to grack. He said he expected better from supersoft. Again not exactly the same level as what he did with grack. of those 3 quotes you used the closest thing you'd have to "dubunking" me is him calling artanis a dipshit. However lets look at he has a few more in there. Seriously his reactions with everyone else and grack is worlds apart. I would like you to input on more than just this though mig. Fixed I think | ||
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Realistically I know you have your notes but it would be nice to see you being active rather than popping out randomly to say things and vanish. I honestly do think the reactions to grack and artanis are worlds apart. But then again thats my opinion. Keep in mind this is purely off a filter. Can you say honestly if you ignore mocstas entire filter/ignore he flipped red then look at grack the guy looks good? Nothing he has done this game aside from attack mocsta looks decent at all IMO. Seriously. Any thoughts on anything would be nice about whats gone on in the last say 10-20 pages. | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you ask people to ignore Mocsta's filter and look into Grack when your whole case on Grack is based on how Mocsta talked to him. WTF MAN? for day 2 yes? Did I not make a case on him day 1 that didn't operate on that ? Has he done anything TO FUCKING CHANGE THAT. NO HE HASN'T. Seriously, just seriously. Do you even fucking read? | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn town. Pandain town. Thrawn dunno kinda leaning scum if he doesnt change his mind on Grack. Hopeless scum for not doing shit and not reading the thread lol. Actually BC, do you know how grack plays as town? Like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Grackaroni Which is completely different from this game. Read that filter from hogwarts. Hes useful, consistantly. Does he still troll slightly? Yes, but he is active and actually doing shit that is indicative of his alignment there. I see this game as completely different. I even posted this once before in thread. It is nice to know though that people aren't reading shit | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote: omg I'm dying. So funny. Ehhhh...So what do you guys think about Pandain? BE HONEST NOW!! Town. He has given me no reason to believe otherwise. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote: I have reason. Pretty good reason, actually. Once I remember what it is I'll get back with you. Everything hes said to me screams town. I could be horribly wrong and he flip assassin but I don't see any of the interactions possible as scum tbh. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Which interactions are you referring to? Because in my experience any and all interactions are /possible/ from scum. I don't think hes tricked me. I recognize he may not have convinced you of anything but I honestly don't think hes tricked me. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Well could you weigh in on the BH/Oats thing? Because I was really just mentioning Pandain because Oats and super were arguing, but I'd really like ur input on the stuff that's going on. BH has to die plain and simple. None of his actions have been in anyones betterment but his own. IE hes scum or assassin. I want to say oats is scum. Super has a very decent case on him, and his responses to you and to super since have been well, shit. Rather than attempting to truly defend himself, or create a situation that people could see him as town hes acting like a complete ass. Hes being confrontational for confrontations sake and isn't trying to help anything. I honestly think unless things shape up he has to go as part of me can see his reactions as just a pissed off townie. | ||
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On November 19 2013 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually worst-case scenario is we lynch a Town Tracker....right? he unclaimed saying it was a lie to save himself | ||
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Mattchew has done fucking nothing all game but spout bullshit and vanish into the mists. Is he being discussed for it no? Why the fuck would you, people who've been playing the game for years are allowed to do retarded shit and be ignored. Holyflare has also done nothing fucking all game. He is harrassed for ages about not doing shit all then makes a giant post on 3 people under huge suspicion. He then goes to vote for one who apparently wasn't his top scum pick. He actively says so. Since when is lurking, only posting when pushes/analyzed, posting analysis on 3 top targets of the day, and then NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUM READ FUCKING TOWN PLAY. On November 20 2013 05:50 Holyflare wrote: Switch to BC then. This lynch is way too easy. Would scum really bus their team mate when alternatively people are considering BC or pandain or austincc scum? If 2 die scum kp goes to 1. I don't think they would risk that therefore it is pretty unlikely BH is actually scum or we are incredibly wrong about these reads. That fucking logic? A guy is caught in thread, LYING ACTIVELY, trolls for days, actively doesn't help and rather than realize that scum would go "fuck this guy". BH is a Vet player. If he was town he'd have at least done something. Dropped analysis, dropped a bombshell of something to try and save himself. Is he doing that? No he gave up. But don't worry. Scum would actively not bus a teammate who got caught out completely in thread just to spare themselves 1 kp. Dont worry guys, Holyfaggot has figured the game out! Dear fucking god people. Hopeless1nder. Why has no one really talked about him? The guy fucking does what? Nothing? Ever? Wanders into the thread, a wild hopeless1nder appears. He uses dickall and peace. Its apparently super effective. Why? Because hes being ignored completely, not posting shit all, and skating by for it. However its not like I can blame you fucks for it because we have people who are allowed to troll/spam/be utterly useless pieces of trash cluttering the thread. Grackerfuckingroni. You know what. Im not going to bother to make a case on this fucker. Hes scum. If any of you can name 5 fucking things hes done all game that have helped this town then Ill change that view. Seriously. Find me 5 points where he helps. The guy since being "confirmed town" has done absolutely dick fuck to help anyone. He has actively said hes not going to stop trolling ie hes going to continue being an unhelpful piece of trash. Hey though, TL towns know that being a town member is about being retardedly bad so its ok! Pandain. Go fuck yourself. You are actively viewing me as scum for the most bullshit logic I've ever heard. If you don't realize the reasons you were told what you were was specifically because of my read of you then your fucking stupid. Seriously. Alakslam doesnt contribute really anything. He doesn't justify his current vote at all, hell his vote swap went completely unnoticed. Hey its ok tho, the guy doesn't do shit all game but hug peoples coattails anyway. Im glad this shit is acceptable because thats how you get solid reads on people right? Let them not do shit at all and be ignored. Yep, good glad im learning something. How about Risen? Whats he done lately other than to appear and jump onto a bandwagon, what did he do at all actually? Nothing, got yea. Im glad to see this shit is fine. The only players in this game not playing like complete garbage are SS, Rayn, arguably VE and maybe artanis. There are a few trying at least to not play like garbage. Myself in that list. However given the entire clusterfuck of this thread and how retarded virtually everyone is being, the entire scum team is likely on that list of people I just mentioned. You know why? Because town is so bloody unorganized and we currently have people trying to swap people OFF OF A CONFIRMED LIAR WHOS DONE NOTHING BEFORE OR SINCE TO A) JUSTIFY HIS REASONS FOR IT OR B) ATTEMPTING TO PROVE HIMSELF NOW. Seriously? What motivation is there for any player to take someone they have 100% certainty is fucking scum, and goes "lets lynch someone else" Jesus, i know ive played like ass this game, but the level of retardation going on is just fucking ridiculous. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC can you tell me what your last scumgame is? Likely storm mafia. | ||
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Was liar game. Just checked the database. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:24 OOHCHILD wrote: weren't you scum more recently in a numbered game? also i dont get what you are bitching about because it seems like you want bh to get lynched and that is exactly what is happening I don't think I was? I could be wrong. I know ive played like complete dog shit in a few numbered games recently. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:32 VayneAuthority wrote: like his reads don't even make sense, the whole scumteam isn't going to be all the useless people. I don't even get the point of that post. Doesn't conclude anything except that he's upset with a lot of players and thinks the vets are the only ones playing well. classic bs post Really which vets? VE? Artanis? SS? Rayn isn't a vet in my eyes. Hell neither is artanis. VE has only because hes proved to be as has SS. BH and I are playing like dogshit, Oats is playing like ass, Coags existence is non existent, Mig is playing "well" and terrible at the same time. AND I CAN EASILY MAKE A CASE WHY VE ISNT PLAYING WELL. That would leave you 3 people not being bad. Go read LXI. Its a shameful game. However it should prove my point that an inactive lazy mafia team can easily win when THE MOTHER FUCKING TOWN JUST HERP DERPS AND FUCKS ITSELF. Jesus. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:42 VayneAuthority wrote: you haven't been reading the thread if you honestly think grack is scum, there are so many points I have brought up in his favor. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Only other game I played with you was TL mafia 2 and those don't have filters so don't really feel like re-reading it You brought up many points in his favor? Please where are they? I need to see the enlightened posts of yours. I mean Ive seen one. but thats 1 point, not many. Seriously, the only point you brought up that I can see in your filter is "mocstas flip cleared him" gee that didnt actually give me 5 reasons, or really a valid one. I recognize I am one of like 2 fucking people who think grack is still scum. I just don't fucking get why people think hes town when hes done nothing but have 1 scum flip and "clear" him. I was a town vig that game. Als | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:22 Grackaroni wrote: @BC -Was right about Mocsta and tried to push town towards him. -wrote a case on why Koshi is scum -dunked BH after he claimed scum -I'm smart enough to defend Oatsmaster, who scum will 100% try to mislynch at some point in this game. -I've Played in a way that dumb scummers thought they could exploit for a mislynch and backfired miserably. That's 5 Things. Your turn BC to list your contributions. Point 1 valid point 2 is borderline but ill take point 3 doesn't count as everyone can claim point 3 point 4 is something mafia can easily do point 5 playing like a complete asshat is not a contribution. So you have 2 points in your favour. However I do love On November 20 2013 07:26 Grackaroni wrote: that post was actually pretty good. I just skipped ahead to the grackerfuckingroni lol. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will not support Hopeless lynch. He made a good case on Pandain and while i am starting to have second doubts on Pandain myself, his case had a lot similitaries to my case and i find that townie. In addition to that there are people like austin who's done jack shit while chatting around and telling Holyflare not to look into his scumreads in mason QT - that's far worse than Hopeless is doing atm. @ BC: I don't know what you consider to be a vet but i have played more games on TL than any other player in this game besides you/VE (maybe Oats is kinda close with me). Ive played since mafia 2 off and on for years. I can easily say that I recognize your name but not for any series of accomplishments. ive never heard or seen (not saying you havent but i havent seen it) you being amazing. To be quite honest this is the first time I can honestly say I have seen you play balls hard that will stick in my mind. VE, oats, ss, bh, etc.. have all done something at some point over the years of play that makes me recognize them. A vet doesn't need to be good, but they need to be known. You really aren't known to me thus not on my vet list. Be happy I think your not playing like fucking ass rather than I don't think your a vet. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC would you lynch Austin next? He looks terrible. If he doesn't pull out anything by day 3, then yes, Id be inclined to lynch him. However, im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until then. Hes not at the top of my list of scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm.. Who exactly are on top of your list? Those people you brought up in your big post? I disagree with at least Hopeless for what i just said. Maybe on Grack too depending what BH flips. If BH is not scum then i could consider Grack but i think his interactions with Mocsta make him look better than most other players. For example i have no idea what supersoft is doing atm? I can't remember him trying to do anything at all tbh.. Top? Mattchew, Grack, Holy. Hopeless looks terrible as well. He would be 4th on my list. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: You meant to say you agree with what i have been saying for 3 days. to be quite honest dude. Your spam and your zeal put people off reading you. Don't be surprised if youve been ignored. | ||
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Mig and I both have commented on hopeless. He has been since day 1 I believe. I love how me not pointing out how obviously good the bh is and how its been harped on to death already makes my post bad. However I do love how you are attempting to post. Badly mind you, but still you are attempting. Have you noticed however that you only seem to stick around when people harass you to actually you know, do shit? | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there anything special that differentiates those people from Alakaslam, OOHCHILD and Mr.Cheesecake? I think all of those people (barring Mattchew) have made at least as good contributions than those i listed. Alakaslam has kept to the same behaviour all game, as has kush and cheesecake. They are pure lurking in my books. Annoying as fuck and useless? Yes but consistent. Of the other 3 mattchew strikes me as doing similar as the 3 I have differentiated from however he feels horribly wrong. His play has been bad and he feels off. The other two are different. Holy really has done nothing until prodded. He follows thread sentiment more than anything and imo opinion its bloody fake. Could I be wrong? yes. I can continue to harp on why I think grack is scum. In short the guy has actively trolled, done nothing really positive all game and continues even after people think hes town as town can be is useless. I don't see someone who is believed to be town by so many actively not help. Every fucking townies dream should be get confirmed and attempt to kill mafia left and right. not luck out and get confirmed then fuck around like a dbag | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: BC your thoughts on the following players: Coagulation, Stutters, Mr.Cheesecake. Likely Asassin, modkill and useless to talk about, lurker whos a null read | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is Coag a likely Assassin? That's a random ass read. I don't see him being scum or town. His scum play from my experience is more active and dbagish, whereas his town play is semi useful lurker douche. Hes not really doing anything at all ever like he doesn't care. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:18 Holyflare wrote: That's not really true, BH does this shit as town and scum it just proves he doesn't want to play/doesn't have time to play. It's a wasted lynch today because he won't do ANYTHING. Tomorrow is a double lynch and I think we have a great chance to lynch scum today if we lynch into you or pandain. After hopeless made his post on pandain I feel like he's upped himself a bit to at least a null for now and so I'm not sure about him and people have just said useless oats just means useless oats not exactly scummy so I'm off him too. That only leaves you/pandain/bh, of those 3 I think the best chance we have of finding scum is to lynch you or pandain to at least reveal associative tells for tomorrow's double lynch and increase our chances of finding more scum. BH can be lynched any time but his lynch won't reveal anything. Why NOT just do it tomorrow and go after the people that you pushed in your post? Do you actually believe anyone is a scum tell other than the people you claim to be lurky? Nobody has really harassed me today, I was away for pretty much 40 hours and returned with my big post (including mason chats with austin that make him look sneaky in regards to mocsta etc) so your point is pretty much invalid. No. You know why? Because all the people actively talking are doing a good job of at least attempting to contribute and doing real work. Why is pandain one of your bigger reads? You analyzed hopeless and oats as your other two main ones and now they are fully off the radar? A guy who wasn't on your radar now is? Also do you know how scummy you are with what you just said? BH's lynch wont reveal anything? If he dies now and flips scum it makes you look like shit. Anyone trying to save him if he flips anything but town look terrible. His flip also gives any insight to his like 1 and only read. Seriously. The guy is scum and it drops scum KP by 1. And you want to keep him around to lynch elsewhere and keep scum kp at 3. Seems to me like your scum. On November 19 2013 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ah okay, I thought you were being silly for a moment. I don't want to reconsider HF, that'd require effort. Please report in On November 19 2013 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Speaking of HolyFlare, where's he been? He hasn't posted for like 36 hours. Me no likey. Just saying. You magically appeared after being called out | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:47 Mig wrote: Ok so Pandain/thrawn/SS/Skan/LM/austin are all masons? SS masond VE and BC Pandain masond SS and ? Thrawn masond BH and Rayn Austin masond HF and ? LM masond Yam and Koshi Out of those 5 I really doubt they are all town. Looking forward to seeing the logs with SS/BC/VE/Pandain. Pandain/BC why did you not tell the rest of the town that super had masond VE? You are missing 2 masons from that list btw. Given that VE has flipped and i was wrong on him. I masoned him day 1, masoned SS day 2. SS masoned me day 1, and VE day 2 (never knew for sure he did this btw) Pandain masoned ss day 1 and me day 2. The other mason you are missing is grack who claims to have mason'd BH day 1 no idea day 2. | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:22 Mig wrote: BC why did you mason VE day 1? Also, any reason for revealing all of this so late? And who do you want to lynch tomorrow. I haven't been here since before the flip for one. As for revealing it so late? I was dead set against outing blues for no reason. A mason circle I believed to be filled with just town is typically one i'd want to hide from scum no? Who I want lynched won't obviously get lynched so instead Id have to go with 2 of mattchew, hopeless and holy | ||
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I say this for what I view are obvious reasons. | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grack how does BC know you masoned BH on D1? ....he claimed it in thread | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:20 Mig wrote: Mafia has 2kp and I shot Mattchew (unfortunately) Still catching up. Not surprised that im on the lynch given yesterdays thread sentiment however I am amused that a town member who has admitted to shooting 2 townies, one who flipped medic, and then made a huge excuse of why he couldn't shoot his top scum read. Seems odd no one has noticed or mentioned this (page 226 currently still however) | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:04 Holyflare wrote: You didn't get shot, therefore roleblock went onto artanis, artanis was most likely to shoot BC after all as he voted him over BH yesterday. BC is likely to be scum therefore otherwise they could just let BC die. This leaves rayn open to plant bombs, he posts a list of who these bombs are on. Doctor is dead so it isn't likely there is another doc, that's 3 town kills that scum can get with just 1 kp. There is no way they do not take that chance. Factually this is wrong. Scum benefit the most by rbing and killing artanis. They force a misslynch onto me. Why would mafia let the #1 most thought of as scum player in the game die to a vig when they can force a misslynch? Seriously. Also, anyone that believes Rayn's claim at this point must realize that Mig can't be town. If people believe mig's claim they can't believe Rayn is town. No host ever in a normal game is going to give town enough night kp that could in 2 nights kill the entire mafia team. Not when you factor in a town rber, medic, multiple trackers and apparently a vet. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:25 Mig wrote: BC are you seriously trying to claim that Mafia had 3 starting kp AND 2 2 shot vigs. Just lol come on. Hey, Im saying its a possibility. If town is able to rb a mafia kp away, giving mafia a way to "recoup" that ability isn't exactly game breaking. Are you trying to tell me however that Town has 2 2 shot vigis and a hatter? Seriously? I may have had a really shitty game so far but at least im not that naive. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:27 Mig wrote: The fact that bc is this dense just solidifies the fact that he is most likely scum. Or you guys have way to high an expectation of my town play. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:29 Holyflare wrote: Why do you find it hard to believe mig's claim but not VA's claim of another Mad hatter?? Hard to believe? Im questioning why no one seems any bit suspicious of a guy who admitted to not only shooting 1 townie but also a town medic. Im also finding it hard to believe no one is seriously looking at him and saying "hey dude, if you think bc is 100% scum and you have a bullet, just shoot him" Who cares if it overlaps with another vig. If you think artanis was likely to get rb'd like it was discussed then you take the shot a) hoping that mafia only has 1 rber at most b) ensuring that artanis isnt lying about his shot Seriously. Why even claim during the night phase? The whole timing of his claim is fucking bad. Why claim then make excuses of why you can't shoot your main scumread then fire into lurkers. Fire at an active player you think is scum. On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death. Also how did you know I wasn't dying 3 - 4 pages before the flip? | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:32 Mig wrote: Also I am not an idiot like Mocsta. If I was a mafia vig I would just kill people and never claim. I claimed because I thought I was going to die and that thought the town should have the information. I was under 0 pressure and half the people already said they thought I was town. Why would I ever claim as mafia. BC if you are town you literally have 0 common sense. if you think town should have information why did you unshare your read spreadsheet yesterday? | ||
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IF mig is town then rayne clearly isn't. No way in hell town has 6 night kp + 2 trackers + a med + a rber +apparently now 2 vets Do you honestly think town has 3 kill roles, 2 dts, a med, a rber and 2 vets + a bunch of masons? Exclusing masons that would leave what ? 9 power roles vs whatever the mafia has? Thats still more power roles than mafia has numbers and incredibly fucking broken for town. There is no way there are 3 town kp roles. Of those 3 claims 1 is dead and flipped town, 1 has actively shot town. Do I think vayne looks good? Not really but his claim is more believable. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:37 Mig wrote: 1) I already answered that, maybe if you read the thread you would know these things. 2) way to completely ignore my point broski. Give me a motivation for claiming the vig shot as mafia. Lets hear it. Simple. You have a role that overlaps with a town role. You can easily fakeclaim. Given that there are no alignment cops you have essentially impunity to shoot someone of your choice. Given you have a role you can fakeclaim you opt to shoot into a pool of players that have a ton of negative sentiment on that could or not have mafia in it. Regardless you opt for a person you know won't flip scum and shoot. Claiming when you did was fucked, as was making excuses on not to shoot your top read. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:45 Mig wrote: Anyone who is town and thinks I am mafia should quit mafia forever. I am dead serious. The idea that mafia has 3 kp + 2 2shot vigs and THEN I as mafia just decide hey lets claim that I shot the doctor n1 when no kp was missing then decided to claim this shot also when I could stay silent and shoot actual helpful townies instead of fucking mattchew. It is so beyond ridiculous I feel like I am losing my mind. WIFOM | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:46 austinmcc wrote: BC i get that you are concerned about the amount of KP that town might have here, but two questions: (1) Why believe that mig is fakeclaiming rather than rayn or vayne? (or at least you appear focused on him, although I know you present the rayn/mig choice to everyone. Also, vayne claimed hatter as well) (2) If mig is NOT a town vigi, then you're presenting the following scenario --> scum shot sharrant N1, either with factional KP (mig is lying about vigi, no factional KP was rbed) or with vigi (mig is scum vigi, factional KP was rbed). Why does mafia, with EITHER kind of KP on N1, shoot sharrant? He was not particularly townie. He was not particularly active. In the world where mig is NOT a town vigi, either a REAL town vigi has not counterclaimed the shot (unlikely) OR scum chose to shoot sharrant over yourself (who you, I assume, are arguing is town) or others. Why does scum shoot sharrant N1? I am concentrating on mig purely for one thing. He claimed really retardedly, then makes a post making an excuse as to why he didnt shoot me. He openly admits due to artanis' claim that the likelyhood of him being rb'd was high. He wanted me dead, he then doesnt shoot me and shoots town instead. Whats worse? killing a town, or overlapping a shot with another vig who might be rb'd to ensure your top read dies. HE THEN POSTS SHIT LIKE THIS On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death. This is a post before the fucking flip. How does he know I am not going to die? This to me is a huge scumslip. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:46 austinmcc wrote: BC i get that you are concerned about the amount of KP that town might have here, but two questions: (1) Why believe that mig is fakeclaiming rather than rayn or vayne? (or at least you appear focused on him, although I know you present the rayn/mig choice to everyone. Also, vayne claimed hatter as well) (2) If mig is NOT a town vigi, then you're presenting the following scenario --> scum shot sharrant N1, either with factional KP (mig is lying about vigi, no factional KP was rbed) or with vigi (mig is scum vigi, factional KP was rbed). Why does mafia, with EITHER kind of KP on N1, shoot sharrant? He was not particularly townie. He was not particularly active. In the world where mig is NOT a town vigi, either a REAL town vigi has not counterclaimed the shot (unlikely) OR scum chose to shoot sharrant over yourself (who you, I assume, are arguing is town) or others. Why does scum shoot sharrant N1? Why would scum shoot spag? kush? sharrant? storr? Artanis and yamato you could make easy cases for. However why shoot most players over me? Well easy. Day 1 you have the mayor and pardoner liking me for town, with one of them actively telling people to med me. The likelyhood of me getting med prot was super high then. Day 2 you have people suspecting me all day. Why would you shoot someone you could get misslynched. Wasting 1 slot of a double lynch benefits mafia hugely. Whoever is making the shots is either blue sniping, is incredibly lucky, or is afraid to actively shoot a more active player/vet in fear of med prot/vet. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Basically BC, mig has 0 reason to claim as scum. None. At all. why? If i was a scum vig id claim. TBH in this setup id claim as any role a scum could have aside from bomber and rolecop as they match up with a town role. Any setup that both sides can claim the same role it is always a high possibility mafia will claim. As for 0 reason? Thread consensus is to believe the claim and hes town. That is motivation right there. People will just go "herp derp your right" He also claims to know that im not going to die before the night post. Regardless of you think of him having reasons to actually claim or not, why hasnt he explained the fact he knew i wasn't dying? If you still believe he is town, do you not honestly find the other two town kp role claims slightly fishy? 8 kp against 6 mafia? I honestly get people not wanting to believe/trust me given the suspicion im under but seriously ask yourself how he knew I wasn't dying. The only way someone can know that is if he knew for sure mafia had a rber at the time and that the action was being used on artanis. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:10 Mig wrote: Bc if you think I am scum please vote for me. Show that you are putting 0 effort into actual scum hunting. I've done scumhunting. Sadly people think all my contributions are worthless and shit. Here I am pointing out that On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death. you knew I wasn't dying. How? Ive scum hunted repeatedly. I may not have articulated it the best but realistically you have no way to know I wasn't dying unless you have knowledge the thread doesn't. Like night actions of other players. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:13 austinmcc wrote: BC, your posts on mig being sure you weren't going to die are absolutely true. Except...I feel like you have merged with rayn. raynycobbler or bloodypelikoneet. I can understand someone saying "ME SO SAD YOU NO DIE" when they have KP and were planning on shooting you, then got mindgamed out of it by another guy with a shot, only to find out the other guy didn't shoot either. That scenario makes plenty of sense as one to say "it would have been nice if you'd died." mig wanted to shoot you, artanis wanted to shoot you, but neither did, oopsies. Sure do wish you got shot. Why is it that you only interpret his statement as foreknowledge of your continued survival, and not as "shucks, wish I'd shot me some BCs"? Simple. He added the very likely possibility of artanis being rb'd and himself dying. If you think you are going to die, and the other claimed vig to be rb'd you shoot your top read. He even says it will give the thread a bunch of information. So instead he shoots mattchew, who gives next to nothing. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:21 Mig wrote: It is common sense, I wasnt shooting you artanis said he wasnt. Tell me the scenario where mafia wants to kill you lol. You said yourself you were under the most suspicion. I didnt "know" you wouldnt die but it had to be 99%+. I refuse to believe you can be town with this thinking. If you were town I think you come back realize I am almost certainly town and work to actually pick out a scum. This is just your mafia hail mary. The fact you snap believe VA and rayn and just push me while refusing to listen to reason seals it. what fucking reason? You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me. If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch. And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum. I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:27 Mig wrote: Like I said targeting me is a hail mary. He isnt worried about finding scum he is just trying to save his neck so he targets me without using any reason. I mean if you take away my vig claim did anyone think I was mafia? You've been suspected of mafia off and on all game actually. Supersoft actually thought or still thinks your scum | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey what do you think of Supersoft BC? He has done nothing that has suggested hes scum to me. Talking to him for two days and he hasn't attempted anything to me that screams scum. I still think hes firmly town. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:25 Mig wrote: I do not have another shot. I wanted you dead but I didnt want to waste a bullet if artanis was shooting you. For one thing I didnt even know for sure mafia had a rber. Or if they did maybe they are confused by the hf claim. Why would I paste my case and why I find you so supicious earlier in the day then make a post like that if I really didnt want to kill you? WIFOM Also, given that I have called HF scum, and he was masoned to artanis, hey, mafia wouldn't be confused by the claim. But hey, thats just me thinkin here | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:31 Mig wrote: BC the fact still is I would never claim the vig shot as mafia. I jus wouldnt. You can claim that you would claim with any role for no reason but that isnt me. You have played with me enough times you should know I make my plays based on logic. I have never fake claimed. I really dont do crazy shit. Look through any of my games. To use this exact point well, against you. You know that your plays rely on logic. You know that as mafia the town is less likely to think a vig claim is a scum fake claiming. You would know that most people wouldn't expect you to do so. Thus the most logical thing to do IS CLAIM. Why? because aside from me who didn't believe you? Seems a logical call to me to have near everyone think you auto town. | ||
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Supersoft, VE, coag, koshi, pandain, thrawn (although I did accuse hiro). Dont believe I called cheese scum, coag, stutters. Pretty sure theres at least one or two more. So, I love that you tried to suggest I have called everyone it, but I clearly havent | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:34 Mig wrote: BC how are you so sure I am scum lol. Like you cant even consider the possibility you are wrong. Dude your main point on me in your largest case post was that balance dictates I am scum or austin is and you like austin as town more. You had the same reads I did day 1 on grack and storr, you even agreed with them. You then proceed to shoot sharrant? You then the next day say you were going to shoot me but artanis claimed it so you swapped your shot to someone else thats lurkery and useless and provides no information? Theres enough there in your filter that justifies my read. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:36 Mig wrote: The answer is you are scum so you dont have to look at this reasonably to see if I am actually town or not. You are just trying to smear me with complete conjecture. The exact same thing you did to grack earlier. conjecture? I even summarized gracks play. Hell I even asked people to name 5 useful contributions hes done this game and I haven't seen anyone even reply to that. The guy actively lies in thread. He actively trolls. Hell you even thought he was town. What did he do to change your mind? Ignore mocstas flip for the purpose of this thought process. What have his actions done at any point to prove hes town? His lies? His trolling? His actively fucking with the thread and make it retarded to read? I am saying outright You voted me day 1 because my scum reads were storr/grack on the grounds I was going to off one You then proceed to shoot sharrant. You had less than 3 full pages of filter by the end of day 2. You created 3.5 pages over n2. In that period you state a case on me using balance as your reason, proceed to say you were going to shoot me but artanis claimed he was going to. Admitted you thought artanis was going to be roleblocked, admitted you thought you were going to die, then proceed to fucking shoot a lurker. There is no fucking way a town member does these actions. No fucking way whatsoever. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:39 Holyflare wrote: He killed your top scum read BC, yet your first response is: WHY DO WE BELIEVE MIGS CLAIM OMG HE IS SCUM? I don't think so. No those are my top 3. Anyone all game would realize ive pushed grack since day 1 and is obviously my #1 on my list. Nice try tho scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:51 Holyflare wrote: Not sure logic applies here. If you're calling me scum, then I'd know that artanis is shooting you. So why if you are town would I get scum to roleblock to save you.................? Waste a vig bullet and kill a town member? Use brain plox. because im most likely to be lynched today. Hell I realize I am likely going to be lynched today. I realize I have played like dogshit because near everyone in this game thinks im scum. Obviously my townplay needs work and I haven't learned enough from LXI than I had hoped. Regardless if I am going to die at least I should attempt to take scum with me no? Also killing a vig with a bullet in the chamber to force a misslynch on town + someone people view as a vet is a good call. im playing like ass right now. Getting me lynched before I stop sucking benefits mafia more than letting a vig shoot me. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:51 Mig wrote: BC I showed why your case against Grack was complete bs and untrue. I didnt shoot grack because he helped lynch Mocsta and anyone who read Storrs posts n1 saw he was much more likely to be town. See my reads change based on new information that comes up because I dont know peoples alignments. Unlike you where you just tunnel grack endlessly. Anyway I am going to bed. If you are town I can only shake my head at your refusal to listen to reason. If you are mafia I applaud the effort. So you didn't shoot grack n1 because he helped lynch a guy who flipped scum until after you selected your shot. You also had storr as mafia in your notes until he flipped. Trust me I do recognize I was tunneling grack. I partially still am as I think hes scum. I realize nothing I say will convince anyone otherwise so aside from saying hes scum theres no point pushing. When a town member is allowed to lie, troll and otherwise do dick all for the entire game who am I to tell people thats not town behaviour. Who cares if he was pushing a mocsta lynch day 1. Is grack a player who would never push his own teammate day 1? What you have currently said has not persuaded me at all that you are town. Your entire case built in thread on me is balance talk. I am not saying you never said I looked bad, but be realistic the case you built is balance and not believing I was angry in a post. Wow, Im so glad your logical arguments on cases are dem mazing shiz yo. | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:08 Hopeless1der wrote: That's insufficient to lynch someone. Like Risen 'policying' grack. Shut the fuck up and find mafia. "wah ss/bc/mig have to be mafia because marv is a big meanie-face" Cool story bro. How bout some motive to back that up with? There are still 5 mafia alive, and still I have yet to see anyone comment on my case on Pandain, aside from Oats being a dick. I explicitly asked SS two or three times and have got nothing. This game is a fucking farce. BC has spent his last couple days being angry at town and explaining how there is no way mig is town vet because "balance" and "logic". Stop gaming the setup. His arguments for mig shooting a lurker over shooting BC are trash imo. That's what vig shots are for, to clear out the unknowns that you are unwilling to lynch. BC is absolutely a viable lynch and I want him dead. Whether that is through Vayne or not remains to be seen, but one way or another I want BC's flip today. How is it that it is fine for mig to use balance as a reason to justify why I must be red when its wrong for me to use balance to justify there must be 1 scum within 4 kp claimants? Then to take that scum and point out that two days in a row he opted to not shoot his top scum read, and instead shoot into a lurker pile giving 0 information off the kills? You're right, all im doing is gaming the setup. I didnt point out that mig opted to not shoot his top scum read day 1. hell I didn't even point out his only case post on me was balance speculation that I had to be red. Hell, I didn't even point out that the guy said he thought he was gonna die, and that the guy who claimed he was going to shoot me was likely going to be roleblocked (he said 99% sure of this) and instead of shooting his top scum read again he shoots a rando lurker. You're right, thats gaming the system. Its standard policy for town to look at the thread go "man im 100% sure that guy is red so ima shoot someone else for lulsies" | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) You're both wrong. You look worse based on how you go about doing things 2) That is, in my opinion, how vig shots SHOULD be allocated. Good for you Mig. 3) I never said that trying to game the setup was ALL you did. I specifically address your argument that Mig should have been shooting you and not Mattchew(or some other lurker). Get lynched scum. So you are advocating that if someone is 100% sure on someone being red and wants them to die, that not killing them is ideal play? Got yea, found scum #2 of the day. | ||
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A) im not even playing or B) when im third party Every now and again Ill have surges of brilliance where I will pin people fast and hard. But the fact of the matter is with the new crew of players that play now I can't analyze them for shit. The current skills I have for analysis don't apparently apply to this forum anymore. When I played at my prime a trolly chez was usually someone you could quickly differentiate as being useful or not and then kill him with whatever means and he'd flip whatever he was playing. Was he trolling? Yes but it clearly pushed one sides agendas over another. In this game I am being told active trolling, regardless of actions, are a town tell. Before anyone disagree's with me. The only reason none of you want to off grack is because he almost got mocsta killed day 1. You asked in one of your newer posts, put everything on the bloody table. Does grack still seem town? Hell, I even put all of mig's actions on the table and got flamed for it. Austin you honestly seem pretty legit right now and aside from the fact you are trying to persuade people not voting for me to vote for me you have your head on straight. I've spent part of the last day just trying to cool down and slowly work through filters. My scum reads haven't really changed. As terrible as that sounds my reads really haven't changed horrifically. I still have grack, hopeless, and holy as scum reads. I can easily see thrawn being scum. Aside from a really strong early game start he really hasn't done too much. I have already said why Mig could easily be scum. His play as town doesn't line up as the logical person he says he is. Supersoft and pandain are clearly town to me, coag, rayn and you austin are likely town as well. Koshi could go either way. Aside from that most people have been utterly useless. Ive attempted to contribute and been essentially told to fuck off each time. Do you know how frustrating it is to post something that I know is fucking logical and be told im wrong for no reasons? Yes i know my meta grack/mocsta stuff was bad but I was seriously tunnel visioned. We then have a ton of people who randomly pipe in and dont do anything but vote and peace out. This entire game is one of the most pro mafia environments i've ever seen and its no wonder that we as a town are going to lose this game unless we stop being retards. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what has Pandain done to make you think he is town? played exactly like the town pandain I remember from ages ago? He's not done anything super amazing yet hes not done anything obviously scummy. A normal town pandain from when I used to play a ton fits his current play to a T. Hes semi active, attempting to contribute and sometimes it looks good sometimes it doesnt. Hes not trying to push any, imo, obviously scummy agendas, and he seemed legit with everything he posted in the qt yesterday. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: BC how do you feel about risen? If it doesn't look like me/grack will be lynched are you going to change your vote? Like regardless of whether you are going to be lynched or not you still have a large influence on the game. If you are town then help out. Why would I change my vote? You to me openly claimed scum in thread, and i think grack is still mafia. Given you two are my top two reads my votes stay where they are. If thread sentiment was moving to a combination of my 5 top reads, sure id swap to ensure they died, however as the current sentiment is to kill off a bunch of people I think are town and me, why would i swap. Risen I have a null read on. He could go either way. I am aware I can have a large impact its kinda why I tried to cool off and return with a more clear head. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:14 Mig wrote: I really don't get the sense you are actually looking for mafia honestly. I see you writing 4 paragraphs about how you are a bad town. Like you don't ask anyone questions you aren't searching for any information at all. You literally do not even consider any possibility that I could be town. In the SS chats with you it really looked like SS was doing most of the contributing. I just don't see someone who is actually trying. You tunnelled grack literally the ENTIRE game. When he helped lynch mocsta it didn't change your read at all you still thought he was 100% scum All of this looks to me like someone who already knows alignments and has their opinions set in stone. My opinions rarely change once I set them. And why would I think you are town? You seem to refuse to believe the same thing of me. I already outlined why I think you are scum dude. Your case on me is game setup based your actions as a vig given your public reads don't match your reads. as for my level of effort. Its going to wane. Have virtually everyone tell your bad ends up stiffling most wants to try hard. Sorry that my play isn't what you expected. How we play obviously differs. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:20 Mig wrote: I look at your GoT game and I know you are someone who can contribute to the town if you want to. You just don't seem to want to . which game? | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Anyone that thinks what BC is doing is town is pathetic at this game. His "reads" aren't reads, it's 2 "cases" and 2 random names. The only ones he thinks he has reasoning for are mig and grack, where do mine and hopeless' names fit in? They don't, it's 2 random names from his aggressive post that called us lurkers and not contributing. That has clearly changed for me since then and slightly for hopeless but he still maintains the same reads with no reasoning whatsoever. His attitude is completely defeatist and he is most definitely not town. What have you done lately? You sheep other peoples reads quite well, you also would have known of artanis' true shot given you were masoned with him and were willing to fake claim for him. I know I'm town, I know that two people who claimed they were going to shoot me didn't. One claimed after deadline he wasn't firing at me, and given at the time you knew who he was likely going to shoot you as scum could easily manipulate the situation with a block / shot. Aside from that what have you done? You spent part of day 1 defending my top scum read (red flag) youve argued repeatedly with Rayn, adding to the clutter of the thread. These arguments are usually pointless. (red flag) You needed to be prodded into contributing repeatedly(red flag) You jump consistently on people already viewed as scum(red flag) you opted to ignore your top scum read and vote elsewhere and had to be convinced to change your vote d2 (red flag) you claim to be contributing but you have spent most of the game tunneling me.(red flag) You essentially let a lie out of a player slide(red flag) Honestly your filter looks as garbage as my own and yet here we stand with me as a lynch target and people thinking your town. | ||
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Why do I bring this up? Because holy is desperately trying to justify any reasoning he can find to vote for pandain. First he is saying that Pandain fake claimed (he never claimed in thread). Claiming a power role to a mason you do or dont have can easily be used as a method to gauge if they are town or not based on reaction. However pandain is calling ss's claim of him a lie. Next he tries to justify that pandain must be a tracker because his suspicion of BH after n1. Guess what? Everyone was suspicious of BH. Most people because of a clear fucking lie of a tracker claim. He also in this bit uses a post of pandains that says its impossible for bh to be a tracker when 3 minutes later he even states it is highly unlikely. Why bother with this you ask? Because he spent basically 2 fucking hours arguing the bits of a role to justify his read of a player to find out his reasoning was wrong cluttering the damn thread. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:03 Mig wrote: Oh and I forgot he calls me scummy for shooting mattchew when he yelled about how mattchew was useless and listed him as one of his top scum reads. Terrific. Mig. If you want me off your cock and think your town. Give me a reasonable answer on this. After you tell me you are logical and don't do crazy plays answer me this. Why would you knowing that artanis was likely going to be rbed opt to not shoot your top scum read. Now keep this in mind, you opted to not shoot your top scum read twice. Why? Tell me in a reasonable logical way why you two nights in a row opted to ignore your top scum read and shoot into the lurker pool. That is my biggest issue with you right now and I've failed to see a solid response explaining your actions. You shooting someone I suspect doesn't make you look better in my eyes when I know from your own responses who your top reads are. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:13 Mig wrote: I didnt know artanis would be rbd, I already explained this to you. 1) how cuold I know for sure mafia have a rb 2) hf claimed he shot mocsta maybe he confused them so they wouldn't rb if they did have a rber No shit I didn't shoot you n1. I voted you as mayor obviously I didn't think you were scum then. I chose the safe play to not shoot you last night because I didn't want to risk a wasted bullet if me and artanis both shot you (vigs dont get bullets back if they overlap) your top scum read day 1 according to you in thread was grack. You didn't shoot him You didn't shoot me last night. You in thread even said the likelyhood of artanis being rb'd was 99%. I am asking logically. Why didnt you shoot your top read twice in a row. Seriously dude. Answer it straight up. Why sharrant over grack? Why mattchew of all people over me? This is the only real reason I think you are scum. You haven't ever given me a solid answer to it. This isn't me making up bullshit this is me purely asking you a question. You have tried to garner reads on me, I am on you as well. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:15 Mig wrote: Also I find it funny you happen to just pop up now right after I make a post against you. The day started with it looking like you would be lynched easily and slowly the votes slide off of you as you sit back and do nothing. sit back and do nothing? I find it moderately insulting given that I have been around as my own time constraints let me. I have given analysis today, I have listed out who I think is scum, Hell I have even defended myself. As a note, for a group of players who have spent all bloody game bashing me for tunneling grack. You are guilty of basically the same thing with me Mig. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:24 Mig wrote: I didn't say artanis was 99% to be rbd. Find that quote. Instead of lying show me the quote I say artanis was 99% to be rbd. Grack/storrzerg were my top scum reads day1. Guess what things change during the night as they make reasonable posts. I shot sharrant for the same reasons I shot mattchew they seemed to be lurkers who were playing even less than they normally do and hadn't contributed to town. For sharrant yam was also highly suspicious of him and at the time I thought yam was town as well. Seriously BC do you think I would claim that I shot sharrant n1 when 0 kp was missing and mattchew n2 when I didn't need to? I have played nearly 20 games on TL and I have never fake claimed, or done fucking anything like that. I hate playing mafia and every time I am mafia I just glide under the radar. Instead of making up this bullshit conjecture about how oh maybe because I have never done it before I would do it now, why don't you look at my past games. which post did grack make that made you change your mind? I am asking as someone who read your notes up until you locked them given you were more active there it seems than here for awhile. You never changed your view of grack until after the mocsta flip. Also you are right, you said he was likely to be rbed. The 99% was a town read in the same post. My bad. Seriously tho. I am asking you this. You did say On November 21 2013 09:05 Mig wrote: I agree, I strongly considered shooting bc anyway just assuming they would rb you but thought maybe there is some chance they dont have a rber and didnt want to waste my shot blah blah blah. You don't get your bullet back if they overlap only if you are rbd. as well as On November 21 2013 06:12 Mig wrote: I am looking forward to my murder tonight. If you planned to die, and have admitted to suspecting the other vig to be rb'd. Why would you not shoot me? Seriously. You say you are logical as hell. You also say On November 21 2013 09:17 Mig wrote: If mattchew isnt scum then this night is going to be a real nightmare. Artanis in the future you really should be more careful when you are a VIG. If you have 2 shots maybe don't yell BAM right after you kill a scum? Then you wouldn't have had to pull this smoke screen and fuck me out of shooting BC. On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death. You blame another player for not shooting me, as well as shooting a player that you said if they aren't scum the days gonna be a nightmare. The only person really making it hard for you is me, and all I want is a reasonable answer. You said grack made posts that changed your mind? Which ones Why if you suspected a rber and your own death would you not ensure the death of your top scumread. Seriously, don't dance around the bush and say "this is how i play as scum, or bullshit conjecture" You outright said you are logical. How are your shots logical? | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:28 Mig wrote: I have too much respect for BC to believe this could be his town play. Anything else I could have at least seen a possibility for but you know me you have played with me many times in the past, my scum and town games are very different. I just can't believe you think I am scum. And I can't believe you think I am scum. Dude seriously. Read my filter of my last few town games. You can say "hey your completely diff from there to here" thats not what im after. Realize that after LXI I realized I bloody suck as town and have to fully readjust my playing style. That doesn't mean I will be amazing right off the bat. If it gets me lynched, so be it. However you have spent the better part of 2 game days tunneling me. I respect you as well, but you have to realize that the points I brought towards you are exactly the things I would do as town. | ||
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100% town BloodyC0bbler Supersoft Pandain Rayn Coag Koshi Null Cheesecake Vayne onegu slam lonemeow Risen Mafia Thrawn Grackeroni HolyFlare Hopeless1nder Oatsmaster Mig (possible) Austin (possible) Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game. My reasoning behind these choices Thrawn I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right. Grack He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet. HolyFlare This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum. Hopeless1nder. Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red. Oatmaster SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable. Mig Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel. Austin Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list. Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:28 austinmcc wrote: Thanks BC for your reads and the thoughts if you are town. Can I ask you about your numbers? Is you saying to lynch me if "3" people in your list flip town supposed to be a "2"? I think all 5 scum are in that list. I would also lynch the first 4 first. if 3 of those are somehow town you proceed to lynch into oats/mig/you. Id lynch you last. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote: you do sorta the same thing to mig in your read list My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play. Albeit I think my read of him is far less solid then it once was which is why he is now so far town on my scum list. He should be offed only after the first 4 + oats. Simple. I harassed him on his night actions, and i wasn't satisfied with the results, but at the same time the way he has played over this day cycle has been really solid aside from those interactions. I think his night actions are suspect, I dont like how he responded, I also don't like that he isn't being a more vocal and active voice in the game. Overall hes way too passive for what I know he can do and should be doing. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:37 austinmcc wrote: I still want to lynch BC instead of oats. If I am wrong about things then so be it, but he has been waffling all over "I haven't played a good town game in forever" and "Guys here are my reads and last testament you can win the game if you just follow them," artanis got RBed, BC hasn't been a LARGE factor in the game or been shot, SOMEONE(s) that is relatively veteran-y and somewhat active probably gets put in the mafia group (I don't count coag as a vet for this purpose because I haven't seen him play active scum/help his scum team (tee hee); mig is out for me as a strong townread). BC has had a number of large-ish, well-reasoned, good lookin' posts. But when he's casually discussing things and active in thread, it tends to be focused on a limited range of topics - his own defense, grack, and earlier today, mig. Maybe he's on to stuff, but I feel like his sexy looking posts are markedly different from his casual posts, and that makes me worried that he's packaging the posts he really needs to make in order to look decent, drawing them up ahead of time, and dropping them to convince people, then dipping out of the thread. If the very convincing posts weren't usually made after long absences, I'd be...more inclined to believe them? Or if they were sloppy or something? I'm pretty sure I do actually believe this. I totally feel why you would feel this way. My only issue with this I a) have been a large factor. Just not in the way you would hope for (being a prime suspect sucks but is still a large part), and b) not being shot theoretically puts you, mig, me all in the same boat as scummyness. I would mention SS as well but well he has pardoner vet vest. Also austin. I recognize you can feel the difference in my posts. I would too. Given that any post I write that's larger then say, 5-10 lines is something I generally spend 30 minutes to an hour just writing, not counting any work gone into filter diving. Its a ton of work, and requires me to spend far more time writing them. I think you can appreciate this as you would know it to be true from doing your own analytical work. Casual posts are things you write quickly. You also shouldn't be blaming me for long absences and huge posts when multiple players are also guilty of this. I am fine with you targetting me but if you are nailing me for certain aspects you should also be looking at others in the same light. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:40 Grackaroni wrote: You guys do realize that BC hasn't looked in a single filter right. He's had me as a scum read for 3 days and hasn't analyzed a single one of my posts. Or tried to question me about a single one of my posts. I asked you ages ago for 5 valid contributions youve done and you couldn't do it. Since then I have scanned your filter and guess what? I don't need to answer your, or analyze you post by post. You have 0 fucking content. You have been riding the "i pushed mocsta and almost got him lynched card" Thats all you got. Given that most people didn't want me constantly filling the thread with "grack is scum and heres a page of analysis why" I stopped. Sucks for you that I pegged you. Sucks for me no one believes me. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:44 austinmcc wrote: I feel that almost all my medium and large-size posts are rushed through, have some poor reasoning in them, and are often difficult to follow. I am TERRIBLE at crafting a really nice-reading post, and if I craft something, it tends to be for maximum stupidity. But...I understand what you're saying, and agree that it SHOULD be that way. I totally agree on the absences thing, and it IS something that I'm looking at or will be looking at. I've got vayne/cheese/you/thrawn/onegu as people who really disappeared for times today. You had way more ... legitimate posts/reads than the rest in that group, most of the rest threw a couple posts together and whooshed away. To some extent, a couple mafia in that group explains why reads are so confused and most people feel like they're chasing their tails today. can I just ask you this one thing for clarification. Why would you just say that of a group of people you are pinning as scum for a largely selected behaviour are you opting to lynch the one performing the most town? I get that I'm a dead man now but I really want to know your thought process on it | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:45 Grackaroni wrote: No I did it lol. Then I asked you and you quit talking to me. Because anyone can dig through my filter and find at least 5-10 reasons why I am town and then 5-10 reasons why i am not. It depends on perspective and nothing else. You literally have nothing | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:48 Mig wrote: BC why arent you switching. You have pandain as 100% town? because I was responding to people? jesus dude. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:51 austinmcc wrote: I think that you have other indicia I'm working off of. Vayne/Cheese/Onegu all fit the bill for what I'm looking for. Thrawn fits the bill but ALSO has his reaction to pandain/me lacking reads, and his odd reaction to your posts on mocsta/grack meta (which I disagree with, and if you're scummy, indicates that he is likely scum because his reaction was so different than others). You get voted over those dudes because - (1) I was already looking at you; (2) stuff last night with Artanis's shot; (3) the mayoral votes are wonky and it feels like scum should have TRIED to get a candidate elected at some point or another, and you sort of fit that; (4) people who got shot last night had you as mafia; (5) some is pure expectations, which are higher of you (from me), than cheese or onegu. As a devils advocate. Why would I as scum not more actively push myself to get into office instead of SS or VE. I could have if I had wanted really pushed for it and likely gotten pardoner over one of those two had I seriously made an effort. Instead I opted to push them in. As well as, why as a player like I am shoot people that view me as scum thus securring my own death when I could instead shoot other people to make them look bad, etc.. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:53 supersoft wrote: I am so sad right now... I am either terribly wrong and BC played me like a fiddle or I am right and we're lynching this dude who is in my eyes one of the most helpful and friendly players in this town Baddies be bad brosky. Can't blame them for being terrible. Only upshot is a few people finally stepped up to do shit. Who cares if I die for it | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it. 100% town BloodyC0bbler Supersoft Pandain Rayn Coag Koshi Null Cheesecake Vayne onegu slam lonemeow Risen Mafia Thrawn Grackeroni HolyFlare Hopeless1nder Oatsmaster Mig (possible) Austin (possible) Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game. My reasoning behind these choices Thrawn I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right. Grack He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet. HolyFlare This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum. Hopeless1nder. Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red. Oatmaster SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable. Mig Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel. Austin Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list. Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum. Town shoulda just listened to this post yo | ||
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Overall I think the mafia as a whole did amazing in mason chats. But we bussed eachother hard in thread which should have cost us the game. Instead town chased the wrong people. | ||
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On December 09 2013 01:35 Grackaroni wrote: i was actually kind of annoyed when Thrawn came back the next day after BC was lynched and posted a case on me that looked identical to BC's case while posting in the mafia qt that it made sense because it was all true... He was already lynched in my mind after that (he did a few other scummy things that I thought town had already been picking up on) I didn't outright target him but when Austin started convincing people to move I felt it was best to take the town cred rather than get an extra kill and have people wonder why we defended him. Risen was still a free lynch over thrawn all through day 4. As for me pushing you? My day 1 reasons were sound (and given I wasn't going to push you seriously at this point) fine as they weren't a full case. Day 2 I was pissed and thus shitty day for it. Everything I said about you day 3 is actually completely accurate. Now, me bussing you to hell as well as mocsta doing it I think kept you off a ton of radars for ages and thus our deaths insured you living a long time. However. If you go back on day 2 and 3. You and holy spend more time poking at me then most players. Mig and artanis do make comments, but the ones primarily bringing up the "lets off bc" were you two. Or at least that was from my view. Can you imagine had you two been slightly less active with pushing my death? Then add in the play I made day 3 where I almost saved myself at one point? The likelyhood of me surviving the double lynch and leaving mafia with my lynch happening later and thrawn dying later as well would have ensured an earlier win. I am not saying that you guys did horribly but day 1 bussing the mafia 2 shot vig was terrible. That led me into being angry and thus being a tard about it. That led two people to go "bc should be dying for this" and push me to hell. Our bussing got us killed far faster. | ||
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On December 09 2013 01:48 Holyflare wrote: If you didn't get lynched day 3 after that vig shot then town would have deserved to lose anyway so it doesn't make a difference what we did day 2. Mafia played a huge part in my death for garnering votes on me. I was talking to marv and he and I both agree "pushing" your team is not a bad idea but outright bussing them into a position that you lose KP is retarded. I was so borderline on getting SS to pardon me / people beginning to swap off me. Imagine had there not been 2 days worth of mafia pushing BC. Id likely have survived. Regardless of my death. It setup the perfect misslynch the following day. One that You, Holy, helped austin swap from risen onto thrawn. The order in which they died didn't matter. There were solid cases for both risen and thrawn to die. A bus is never needed. Anyone in the game could vote for risen town / mafia alike and it wasn't mafia indicative. Voting thrawn and getting him killed actually put mafia in a huge position to lose. We had a hugely solid game in masons. You did brilliantly there. I think for what I did play I did well. However in the thread we were as a team our own worst enemy. I'm not excusing my behaviour as I was just as guilty for it. I am trying to show where we made our mistakes. | ||
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