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On November 15 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote:
LoneMeow
Explain to me why you Masoned Yamato.
L2R
On November 15 2013 22:46 LoneMeow wrote:
Just to clear up why I masoned before posting:
I read my role and it said to send the PM "at the beginning of cycle". It already being quite a few hours since the cycle started when I woke up, I just looked at the player list and picked someone before reading the thread.
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Koshi
Since you're asking dumb questions.
Here is one for you.
On November 15 2013 08:47 Koshi wrote:
Can we lynch BH if he isn't totally awesome day 1? Like. I never get to see BH being awesome. He claims to be awesome though.
Were you serious about advocating a policy lynch?
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On November 15 2013 23:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote:
LoneMeow
Explain to me why you Masoned Yamato. L2R On November 15 2013 22:46 LoneMeow wrote:
Just to clear up why I masoned before posting:
I read my role and it said to send the PM "at the beginning of cycle". It already being quite a few hours since the cycle started when I woke up, I just looked at the player list and picked someone before reading the thread. Worst reason ever. Why Yamato. Because do you see how people like rayn give LoneMeow a townread for picking Yamato. But how did LoneMeow now this before reading the thread that he had to Mason Yamato. Why not somebody he played with in the newbies? Or somebody that understand how he posts. Or somebody he scumhunts easy with. Why Yamato
I explained this earlier.
can't quote cos back to a phone now.
detailed precise claims are usually scum.
and poorly executred!, unbelievable ones are normally town.
regardless, lone is not a heavy contributor and this pressure is just going to alienate an already low content poster.
back off.
lastly the problem I have with your line of questioning is that its not going to produce an alignment indicative outcome.
in essence, you are badgering him.
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On November 15 2013 23:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:01 LoneMeow wrote:On November 15 2013 22:57 Mocsta wrote:
LoneMeow
Is it safe to assume you have caught up on the thread? Yes, I'm caught up now. Anything sticking out to you worth discussing? Do you have an opinion Storrzergs play? I'd like to hear if you think yamato outing me is alignment indicative or not. Something about raynpelikoneet is bothering me, but I can't pin it down on any specific post. I didn't like how strongly he defended me, though. I was really surprised to hear StorrZerg is not a new player, considering he's played in newbies recently. That makes me a bit confused about how to read him. As the StorrZerg I watched play in newbie game, I'd give him a null, but if he's supposed to be more experienced I'm not so sure if I should be instead leaning scum on him.
I had a town read on yam prior to that.
the action to out you did not change that read.
its funny. yam normally likes to come out and make a post with 3 to 4 scummers on it, and I find him scummy.
he doesn't do that this game and I find him town.
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no yam you may be a town read for me, but thats not enough to secure my vote.
BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg.
the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion.
instead of standing on the soap box. if you genuinely want votes from people such as myself, you are going to have to work for it.
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koshi...,
the credibility keeps dropping, wtf..,,
if filter dived as for real, its clear ve is town and yam is town.,,,
koshi, again, why aren't u running for mayor?
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On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean: Show nested quote +the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. Show nested quote +BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good.
???
a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum.
if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before.
I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet.
its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance.
BC fits into that grouping.
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On November 15 2013 23:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:47 Mocsta wrote:
koshi...,
the credibility keeps dropping, wtf..,,
if filter dived as for real, its clear ve is town and yam is town.,,,
koshi, again, why aren't u running for mayor? I don't even know what you are saying here. But I would say that Yam and VE look pretty town. Are you telling me that supersoft his actions that I quoted proved that and therefore can't be scum or what? I don't know why I should run for Mayor. For me running for Mayor is just for shit and giggles. But I simply didn't know how to approach it early game.
sorry auto correct.
ss recent filter clearly states her has town reads on yam and ve
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On November 15 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean: the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good. ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. It's bad because we lynch BC if he is scum and we don't lynch him if he is town. The argument of weighing the pros and cons of lynching him is nonsense.
there's a difference thinking someone is scum and wanting to lynch them.
I'm not going to say anything else on the matter.
we can agree to disagree.
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On November 15 2013 23:57 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean: the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good. ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. There are likely more town vets than there are scum vets, so it is actually worse for scum to lose what is potentially their leader than it is for town to lose one vet amongst five or six people who could reasonably lead the game. But again, I have never believed in putting off lynches just for vet status. This is a bad argument and I don't agree in the slightest. You're just giving them more time alive for no good reason. He has to earn the right to live in my town just like the rest of you do. wires are crossed here.
I am completely against vets standing on a pedestal, or hiding behind reputation.
I am also against someone establishing townieness and then trying to push a lynch off feeling.
you haven't convinced me BC is the best lynch for today, and your approach is not conducive yo changing my mind either.
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On November 16 2013 00:00 yamato77 wrote:
So Moc, do you think BC is scum or town?
Because it seems like you agree that you think he is scummy, yet oppose his lynch on highly dubious grounds.
If that's the case, I'll grant your wish and we'll lynch you in lieu of BC.
stop being a douche.
you may be a town read, but you don't have more votes than me. get off the high horse.
as for the question.
off memory I had no issue with BC. its prob ego based though as he supported my RNG thoughts on storrzerg.
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On November 16 2013 00:04 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 00:00 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:57 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean: the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good. ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. There are likely more town vets than there are scum vets, so it is actually worse for scum to lose what is potentially their leader than it is for town to lose one vet amongst five or six people who could reasonably lead the game. But again, I have never believed in putting off lynches just for vet status. This is a bad argument and I don't agree in the slightest. You're just giving them more time alive for no good reason. He has to earn the right to live in my town just like the rest of you do. wires are crossed here. I am completely against vets standing on a pedestal, or hiding behind reputation. I am also against someone establishing townieness and then trying to push a lynch off feeling. you haven't convinced me BC is the best lynch for today, and your approach is not conducive yo changing my mind either. That's not what you said. You clearly argued for vet protection for essentially no good reason. But whatever. What would you like me to do, point out specific posts where he says nothing? If you don't agree that he's essentially posting fluff, why don't you give your read on the matter? Right now it seems like you just want to play foil.
more misconstrued reading.
as I said.your approach hasn't sold me. iyou said a bunch of things with no backing,
I'm on a phone and its not easy to see where you are coming from.
if it was a shitty lurker, maybe I could agree. but in my opinion a vet deserves more effort based on asset management.
the risk of being wrong is severe.
you are back to being too cocky/confident which has always been your weakness. its disappointing.
if you have such a strong scum read on BC, you should be able to manifest this in an easy to dsicern manner.
instead, I tell you that you haven't convinced me, and instead you try to insinuate in scum.
now I know for fact you are worthless as a mayor. too self absorbed to even consider if you are wrong,
I want to win the game, not be voted in as mayor, clearly we have two different objectives,
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Finally caught up guys. Been a busy day.
But got good laughs from Migs spreadsheet post at least.
I thought this guy was meant to be a vet? How the fuck am I scum read lol.
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On November 16 2013 23:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Do you have anything useful to add Mocsta? A lot has happened since your last posts.
bbycakes
Im building my posts/cases now. Will submit when Im ready, not when asked.
If you want to know about thread critical issues:
(1) I think VE is town enough to not have qualms with him being mayor.
I would prefer if he was more transparent with choice of lynch, as knowing VE he could lynch any of the 29 other players on a whim. Having said that, his subset of 4 players appears some-what reasonable for this stage of the cycle.
(2) I do not support yamato as pardoner. Whilst I am inclined to lean town on him, I do not trust his judgement on the usage of the power. Maybe he would argue he doesn't trust my judgement to use it.. but then again, my intention would be *NOT* to use it, so the point is moot.
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On November 16 2013 23:46 Spaghetticus wrote:
Okay thanks guys. That puts it at midday, maybe I'll tell these fools to go buy lunch or something.
I'll still be checking in everynow and then as I write this campaign, but my responses may be short.
Spaghetticus
I am finding you hard to read.
Posts are verbose and complicated -- everything I expect from a scum spag trying to bamboozle the thread.
Have a go at this:
You haven't played the game for at least 6 months.
VE has been playing for more than 6 months.
1/3 of the thread thinks VE is not only town, but a strong enough candidate to be voted mayor.
Some of those may even be players that you think are town and possibly respect.
Why would you try and smear his campaign?
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play.
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Storrzerg
+ Show Spoiler [case] +On November 16 2013 08:49 StorrZerg wrote:
@mocsta im town
way to call me scum on my bday not cool bro not cool.
As for your reasons, i propose a different way to approach things thus i have to be scum?
I can understand the "meta" is to vote someone into mayor that is a great scum hunter, so we can get a scum lynch day 1.
I don't get how saying hunting for scum, is a scum tell and that my mind set should be hunting scum. Specially since im Town. This was never the crux of my argumentation. I am getting really agitated people keep saying this, and I think this is a total cop out. Other wise, i think im leaning more town on you right now. Yes i think your case was a bit weak on myself, "lynch bait", yet i know i didn't provide much content to the game yet either. You have gotten some flak on your case against me (saying your going for lynch bait). regardless i am interested in the next person you present a case on since i think you are actually scum hunting. This reads to me as an appeal to let you off the noose -> hence the subtle/subliminal push for me to present a case on another person. *IF* you were so worried about analysing my next case I would be a null read. Instead, you try and appeal to my ego by calling me town. From this re-entry, my read has not waivered: scumStill catching up page 40 ish right now.
have not liked what mattchew has had to say so far. Fluff with no reasons for reads. maybe he has provided more input idk yet. I don't like this call out. It feels opportunistic and half-hearted. Its too general, does not have a strong stance attached to it - which makes me doubt the intentions as genuine; and lastly, adds nothing to a player that has already come under some scrutiny. This is in essence a "+1" post. Also side note, i probably should have been taking notes or something while reading the thread, so many people so many names.
Well what i said pregame will still happen. (will be gone most of Saturday, i doubt ill get any reception while in the mountains) but ill try and post when i can and i will be back on Sunday morning.
Considering this it really was silly for me to attempt to run. I just can't be active enough during this start time to do what needs to be done.
An alignment null post, however, is a very convenient excuse to walk away from this pressure.
On November 16 2013 09:14 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote:On November 16 2013 09:05 StorrZerg wrote:On November 16 2013 08:55 Koshi wrote:
You confident reading Mattchew after Hogwarts? not sure what you mean by this. or what your getting at. and unlike most of you guys i guess, i'm never truly "confident" in my reads. I don't know who is mafia, i don't know the 3p, or who town are. Ill give my reads, Ill say my opinions/reads. You gave 1 guy a scumread in 1 sentence without going into detail. I ask if you are confident gutreading him after you two were buddy buds in Hogwarts. my opinion this game has nothing to do with previous game. i feel his posts have had lack of reason for his reads, and poor content thus he is leaning scummy As stated above. Too generic, and does *nothing* to gain traction on a mattchew lynch. If town: There is no congruency between the post above, and your ethos to "hunt for scum"
On November 16 2013 09:32 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:18 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote:On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote:
For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc? Kill people who claim to be mafia claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active) hunt scum lynch them with fire 1 Why did you never then campaign for RNG. If you're mayor, then you wouldn't have extra time before you decide the lynch to do a fake RNG. 2 Who do you think is town. 3 Do you have any notes now. 1. I don't understand this.. mind saying it differently? As for mayor, i personally never considered myself a serious contender for mayor. I've never run for one before. 2. Leaning town on mocsta, leaning town on Holyflare (I liked his opening post for mayor) VE null atm, I don't feel he has been scum hunting that greatly yet, I do like how active he is. I'm currently still catching up on the thread. 3. Not really. Usually i tend to post my notes while im working on a post. (or at least i did that in my last game which was the previous newby game) I have not dived into filters yet so i have not "hunted for scum" or "found townies" My main focus is catching up on the thread. Posting some opinions. Then diving into filters. Mostly Fluff. However I am curious about the reads on Holyflare/VE. I find Holyflare to be nullish, and whilst a majority found the post scummy or null - he declares town. I am even more surprised by the VE commentary: confident enough to state that VE has been scum hunting poorly. Yet he has not caught up on the thread?
On November 16 2013 10:09 StorrZerg wrote:
( i just got to BC attack on myself/grack)
@BC i am new to TL mafia. this is my 4th game in this forum. 1 of which was many years ago. 1 was a themed game, 1 was a newbie game.
This is still a "new thing" for me. Regardless what you think. You might have a different opinion on the matter, but that's it an opinion. As far as being active and playing tons of mafia on all other places lol? I can think of one other site, but i consider those mafia games (a few games...) quite different because of the atmosphere.
Right now i'm trying to decide how to read you...
I'd say it feels pretty obvious we can't both be scum. I talk a ton in qts, (ask matt, hogwarts game hufflepuff qt. ) And undoubtedly i would have been instructed...
So my question is, are you trying to use outside tl mafia information to sway town to lynch a person based on just "a lie"
Or does town BC really need to be nit picky about this?
I can agree it seemed a bit odd that grack "defended me" I think he more so questioned wording that mocsta gave (hunting for scum vs hunting scum) which i have to agree, i don't see the point on that from mocsta.
After this, i think i am more inclined to think you are mafia. I can't agree with your lynch candidates right now, or the reasoning behind them.
I won't detail the newbie card any further. Its been done to death. He clearly is fairly experienced. I find the comment in red strange, I can't put my finger on it but its just something that I would not be thinking about in my head. (i.e. with that phrasing there is a scenario where Storrzerg is scum and BC town.) Really odd defense. Its also interesting to note that Storrzerg chooses to lean mafia on BC and town on myself even though we are the two prime attackers. Its curious to note that universal town read yamato wants the blood of BC - and Storrzerg is now pushing BC.
Then a bunch of fluff + pushing BC. Then we get: On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote:
Decided to look at austinmcc filter first.
I can't say i like how he has kept questioning the troll question. (and again, i'd put trolls under useless/inactive town)
Other than that, i like his approach to the game, how he is asking questions. I also like how he is presenting his reads, in particular his Pandain read/thoughts. I'm happy with how he is askingg his questions in general.
I would lean town on austinmcc.
@austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far?
I am FIRMLY null on Austin. Hes a slippery mudafarker and frankly I expected him to run for mayor. The concern here is that now Storrzerg has thrown out 3 town reads and delivered 2 scum reads (both of whom have come under scrutiny at different points int he game). For someone so concerned about finding scum.. why is he happy with how austin has questioned pandain? Is pandain scum... im not seeing any "hunting for scum" in storrzergs approach to this game.
On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote:Now lets take a better look at mattchew + Show Spoiler [case on mattchew] +I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now. This is in essence a big fat summary post. Matt did this, matt did that. No explanation of why it exhibits a mafia mindset. Nor does it lead to any pressure on matt to follow up with. This is feigning contribution at its absolute finest.
Storrzerg has made lots of promises to find scum. However,
his filter clearly demonstrates that he is playing lazy scum.
- Only picks on players that have been targetted by others
- Gives out several town reads with weak rationale.
- Is constantly feigning contributions
- Lastly, appeals to my ego by calling me town, which contradicts his mindset to analyse my further cases
Storrzerg is scum.
Either vote me for mayor, or lynch storrzerg as prime target.
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On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang.
This is an absolute joke.
Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour.
Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.
FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion.
I vehemently disagree on your last statement.
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On November 17 2013 00:27 Spaghetticus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:46 Spaghetticus wrote:
Okay thanks guys. That puts it at midday, maybe I'll tell these fools to go buy lunch or something.
I'll still be checking in everynow and then as I write this campaign, but my responses may be short. Spaghetticus I am finding you hard to read. Posts are verbose and complicated -- everything I expect from a scum spag trying to bamboozle the thread. Have a go at this: You haven't played the game for at least 6 months. VE has been playing for more than 6 months. 1/3 of the thread thinks VE is not only town, but a strong enough candidate to be voted mayor. Some of those may even be players that you think are town and possibly respect. Why would you try and smear his campaign?Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE? I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. You know I'm always fairly articulate and value precision. My posts are dense but difficult to misconstrue. I also feel that since there are so few of them, they are worth the effort to read, but also partly make up for my time difficulties. I'm sorry but arguments that appeal to authority rarely sway me. If there are reasons why you guys think he is town, state them. If you can't think of any reasons, reevaluate. Why would I try to smear his campaign? Well... I'm not advocating any candidate in particular, which rules out a scum power play. By leaving it open-ended however, you could interpret it (as you have) that I am trying to cause discord. This is possible, but I think you're overestimating my previous impact. Out of the games I have played, three have been town. Out of those games, I almost always sit around spellchecking until I think I've gathered enough information to make a case, whereby I try to make it count for as much as possible. These cases often fly in the face of common town sentiment, whiteknighting the picked upon players, for instance, and painting their accusers as manipulators. I have very little recollection of our scum game together, though I remember bits and pieces. + Show Spoiler +We were massively behind due to the third scummer making a dodgy move then AFKing. We got JSL to step in and help but ultimately lost. I can't recall what my plan for getting us out of that pickle was, but I know that it didn't go well. Bugger it, I'm going to look it up so I don't look foolish, but srsly this is hurting my time. THIS was our scum QT. Oats was in that game too, in fact, I was replacing Kush, so that's two more who may be able to verify. My style in that game was to rip into my scum buddies (in which case we should still kill VE). We were essentially killed by a lucky cop. I don't think there was any point at which I tried to create mayhem by making conflated cases on town. What I remember most about that game was feeling that all the town were so obviously town to me, how could I possibly make a decent case that sounded believable? At any rate, you and I Mocsta, have a history of always thinking each other scum and being overly paranoid. I was hoping that given our most recent scumming together I could come into this game confident that I'd be able to spot you if you were scum, but someone said you'd got quite good at it, which is unfortunate. Nevertheless I still think you townish, and would have you as mayor over VE, and probably over Yamato depending on who you're planning to lynch. [actually now reading Artanis' post, I'm doubtful again]. Artanis, thankyou. Your read is very accurate, and Mocsta should be able to verify (if he's not trying to create discord) that I am a particularly paranoid player, though I think myself perhaps less paranoid than in my newbies. I think Mocsta's reaction is consistent with our prior interactions in our newbies, but not with the experience Mocsta is supposed to have accumulated since then, which has given me new doubts.
hmmmm, the step down memory lane went different than i remember than i suppose.
I remember that game we were bussing yes; but I had a strong memory of you intentionally trying to go against thread sentiment at a pivotal time. Hence my concern.
Either way, I like this response. The tone feels sincere/genuine. As far as I am concerned you are not a priority today.
Also, yes. I can verify that you *were* an overly paranoid player and agree with the town assessment of yourself from the newbies.
You said artanis read is accurate: I presume you are referring to him calling you town.
What do you make of his points/case on myself.
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On November 17 2013 00:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 17 2013 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE?
I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus.FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this.
Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets"
I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia?
You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy.
Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads.
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On November 17 2013 00:54 Koshi wrote:
1-2 sentences why rayn can't be scum / rayn is scum is always appreciated.
If the points are true the case reads alright. i do expect more 'follow-through' from a town rayn. Problem is, I have to read his filter to see the quotes/interactions and too tired to do that now + going to bed now anyways.
So, I still think storrzerg is the best choice.
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