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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 19 2013 18:29 GMT
#3661
On November 20 2013 03:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On November 20 2013 03:22 Holyflare wrote:
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On November 08 2013 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
and thats my queue to delurk. Since thrawn posted his case on ET its gained very little traction, and no on has been willing to call me out for being afk for more than 24 hours. For the record I'm only up to page 25/45 (the game before I replaced ET) but I also read cephiro's great-wall-of-WoS-is-scum post, so thats my excuse.

Regarding Koshi's recent posts...does that almost confirm him as town since scum dont get witchcraft votes?



So far, I have townreads on enough of the playerbase that lynching into my unknowns (assuming my townreads are right) would win the game by sheer numbers. The top of my would-lynch list is sylencia. This is partly OMGUS for him voting ET=me and partly what he's done today that thrawn already pointed out
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On November 08 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
I am still wanting to lynch Onegu but I want to talk about syl because I'd like him to be a possible lynch candidate as well.

Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day

during d2 sylencia says this

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On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro

Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.


Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2.

He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is....

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On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote:
On November 08 2013 00:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you have anything to say about Onegu?


look at syl's reply

On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro

Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.

Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too.

In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others.


-could lynch hopeless
-people aren;t going up for the probable targets during d2

the serious targets mentioned so far have been rayn onegu and et but they aren't "probable" and the only one he bothers mentioning is rayn?

sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless?


There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead.


oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him"

why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate.



Others on my would-lynch list are umasi onegu and sn0-man, in no particular order, with no particular reasons than that I haven't found compelling reasons to call them town so far (Again, only up to page 25/45 at the time of this post)

On November 09 2013 01:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: Sn0_Man
The silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something.

I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit.

OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today.
Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates


All point to him being scum to me.

The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
1 more or something
lol
this is awful

Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch

On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
wat a shocker team

ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow.

'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM?


There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
R U scum?

I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply:
On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
R U scum?

I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green.

U haz moar questions?

His response:
On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything.

I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant.

Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK

For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do?
Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target.

On November 13 2013 12:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Sn0
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On November 13 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him.

Sounds like ur back to making shit up

Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!" (previous installments include WoS makes up shit Parts 1 and 2)
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On November 13 2013 07:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
We have 48 hours. I'm content with "no longer 3 instavotes on me". Thats how you lose mafia in a hurry.

Dear hopeless: Who is scum? If it includes me, who else? will you at least consider voting the other person instead of me? If not, why not?

Are you sure you have read the thread? I've been saying you and Syl for a long time, basically from the moment I replaced (and caught up). I know I backed off syl for a bit but that was before a)koshi flipped and b) rayn gave Umasi a greencheck
I will not consider voting the "other person" unless thrawn and rayn decide to go after syl instead of you(/me) today.



@Thrawn
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On November 13 2013 07:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
too add onto that point hopeless, all day long you've been acting like "lol game solved." well it's not. don't give me bullshit about you knowing your role pm therefore sylencia+sn0 are scum, you need to start doing what sn0man has been doing

what, having no reads and running around chasing my own tail? Aside from a slight diversion for thinking syl was too dumb to be scum, I've been consistent and assertive in stating who I think is scummy and who I want lynched. Furthermore, the consensus comes down to scum being Sn0 + (Me/Sylencia). So, while I can appreciate that you are not able to verify my role PM, my attitude of "lol game solved" is absolutely appropriate given the knowledge that I would be expected to have.(or pretend to if I were scum). I will concede that I have not been proactive about getting my scumreads lynched so I'll have to get to work on that.




Sn0_Man

To start with, do you recall Sn0's "Onegu matryrs as scum" debacle? I've spoilered the relevant quotes.

+ Show Spoiler +
The bolded red in this quote
On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something.

I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit.

OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today.

Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates

The next whole quote belongs in an IHOP
On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays.

I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town.

I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now.

Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right.

Note the emphasis on Onegu martyrs AS SCUM all the time
On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.

I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time.



Now see his response when I tell him to PROVE its a SCUM-ONLY trait for Onegu
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.

I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time.

Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town.


On November 09 2013 01:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well you aren't reading.

I say he does it as both alignments.

I've played with onegu as town and scum multiple times. He plays very similarly as both alignments and he's always the last scum to die. I've lost to his scum. If other people think he is scum, I am going to lend weight to their arguments because I have no reason to believe otherwise.


But he JUST finished saying Onegu is scum because he martyr's as scum. Now he's saying Onegu martyrs as town as well. Then why in the hell is Onegu a scum-read?

btw, from Onegu's filter with regard to this issue:
On November 09 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote:
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On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.

I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time.

Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town.



This is the first time I have martyred as town, and I dont martyr all the time as scum I think I have only done it twice as scum and I never self voted.

...from Onegu's own mouth. He has never martyred as town before this game. Now he could very well be mistaken, but I'd like to believe Sn0 is full of it rather than believe that Onegu misunderstands what martyring is.


So there's that issue fleshed out more thoroughly. I touched on this in my earlier case on Sn0 which is spoilered here if you'd like to re-read it:
+ Show Spoiler +

##Vote: Sn0_Man
The silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something.

I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit.

OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today.
Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates


All point to him being scum to me.

The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
1 more or something
lol
this is awful

Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch

On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
wat a shocker team

ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow.

'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM?


There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
R U scum?

I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply:
On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
R U scum?

I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green.

U haz moar questions?

His response:
On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything.

I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant.

Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK

For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do?
Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target.




I'd like to add to this, why is he upset that I answered his question? Was I not supposed to see it? Like...what exactly was the "town" response he was looking for there? Ignoring him completely? His post in response to me is just noise and reaches no conclusions, as usual.




Next, something Thrawn pointed out in blue, and obviously the relevant scum association in red:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum.

##Vote: Vanesco
I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc.


You know...I could write something up, but I'd much rather you, the reader, go into Sn0's filter, hit All and then Ctrl+F for 'Vanesco' and 'syl'. Read each quote up to the 7th time each name crops up (So ctrl+F 'vanesco', read quote, hit next, read quote etc. until instance #7 then repeat for syl). Let me know if you found the statement in red from the above quote convincing. In fact, here is his filter, already set to 'All' mode.

Okay, so you did that right? Checked his filter out? Good, now go ahead and open the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +
There was not a whole lot of reasoning for Vanesco and I'll be damned if I saw anything concrete about syl, but you can be sure of one thing: Sn0 said
On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum.

##Vote: Vanesco
I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc.

A better lynch to be more precise. i.e. calling him scum. So how come he later on says
On November 13 2013 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah u changed avatar now we can't be Templar friends

I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game).

Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not...

How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something.

Sn0 LITERALLY said he thinks syl is a better lynch than Vanesco. In what universe does that not equate to a scum read?


How many times has Sn0 made a waffle and on how many players? It'd be one thing if he was pursuing leads on a scum read, but again, Thrawn you already hit this point:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
snoman like every single post you've made today has been something like

words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words

but on the other hand

words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words

null tell or nvm

Its not just today though...its everything he's done all game.

The only thing he was consistent on was OO being scum. Oh, and that OO died to a Silver Bullet. Because scum-reads are most likely to be elected as blues and then shot by the witchhunter in Sn0_Man's head. wat.
Obviously, I'm a little confirmation biased, so I've spoilered the following statements from Sn0's filter that left me wondering what the hell is he doing?
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS Theres 0 fucking way koshi is shot if i'm scum I think.

wat?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2013 07:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Every post i've made has been legit. Nobody reads them though because you all have scumreads on me for no fucking reason. The fact that I haven't solved the game 100% is PROOF IM FUCKING TOWN since we are at MYLO if i'm scum I just ahve to commit to 1 mislynch and win.

READ

VANESCO

PLEASE

PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game.

wat

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2013 07:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there.

Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination.

Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1[*], doing my best to discuss onegu day 2[**], actually voting for scum d3[***], etc...

You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread.


* i.e. Nothing. p.s. I replaced in Day2
** Remember how he martyrs, all the fucking time? u gaiz? he so martyr
***+ Show Spoiler +
On November 12 2013 00:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Vote-Count: Day 3


Vanseco (6): Thrawn2112, Umasi, Koshi, Sn0_Man, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der
Sn0_Man (1): Vanesco, Thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet
Cephiro (1): Sylencia

Not Voting (1): Cephiro



Currently Vanesco is set to be lynched! 5 votes are needed to lynch.

The deadline is in @ Monday, Nov 11 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

Make sure to PM your ONE witchcraft vote to both Blazinghand and Ange777 by the deadline.
I guess I'm confirmed town too. Yay me!

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2013 07:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS by scum whispering that I mean Onegu and ET/Hopeless unless that isn't clear.

On November 09 2013 07:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Onegu the Acolyte has been elminated!
[image loading]

Please explain to me where all this effort is this game?


where is the effort in WC2? I mean look at this shit:

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On November 11 2013 07:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
sorry thrawn I cant bring myself to give a shit right now...this setup should probably be invite-only from here on.


I don't think you can count what he did during mylo because mylo of that game and D1-D2 of this game are completly different scenarios.


This is what he does every game, 1 or 2 liners interspersed with content. The content you stated couldn't be seen because of mylo was on page 1 of his filter and so if he joined at mylo that entire game cannot be taken into account theoretically so everything you are saying is then wrong. If it wasn't mylo it's infinite more effort than this game right when he joins.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 19 2013 18:29 GMT
#3662
every game as town*
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 19 2013 18:32 GMT
#3663
he didn't join at mylo. he joined on D2 or something like that and did absolutely nothing for like 2 cycles

are you really trying to tell me that town hopeless puts effort into games? is that your argument for him being scum in this one?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 19 2013 18:33 GMT
#3664
Yeah sorry Holyflare i was trying to trick you into saying yes because the first time supersoft brings up lynching Mocsta is three minutes before the deadline lol. I don't understand why some people give him a townread because of that because before that he had 7 totally different targets for lynch and 3 minutes before the deadline he comeds up with "maybe i lynch Mocsta YOLO".. That's fishy as fuck.

I still stand behind my words that your cases on Hopeless and Oats are crap. I know the Hopeless stuff for a fact and everyone who played with us in WC2 can back up that statement so if you wanna call him scum i suggest you change your reasoning. I would like you to explain your read on Oats and how does that make him scum. Why are you not looking into Oats' meta as you seem to be loving to do meta-cases?
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 19 2013 18:34 GMT
#3665
On November 20 2013 03:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
he didn't join at mylo. he joined on D2 or something like that and did absolutely nothing for like 2 cycles

are you really trying to tell me that town hopeless puts effort into games? is that your argument for him being scum in this one?


he puts some contribution towards the game as town, even if he did nothing for 2 cycles (pretty much what he's done day1 here), he came back into the thread and delurked to give reads and information, there are lots of longer posts that detail things compared to this game where there are none.

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 19 2013 18:34 GMT
#3666
Because i find it really fishy that there are certain people who have not talked about Oats at all on D1 and suddenly on D2 Oats is their top scumread. Pandain does the same thing.
table for two on a tv tray
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 19 2013 18:36 GMT
#3667
every second post is from rayn.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 19 2013 18:38 GMT
#3668
Might aswell put this here:

Pandain:

I don't like this post at all: (#1289)
Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum.

(#1438)
Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself.

(#1713)
Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it?

(#1718)
Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless.

Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol.

"You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him.

"I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##.

Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end.

Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most".

Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people.

He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now"
So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons?

(#3326)
This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft.

Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis.


TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum.

* Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 19 2013 18:38 GMT
#3669
Blink 182 saved you through yourself from me Raynepelikoneet
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 19 2013 18:38 GMT
#3670
C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-O-M-B-O-B-R-E-A-K-E-R
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 19 2013 18:39 GMT
#3671
^ damn should have went after supersoft post
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 19 2013 18:39 GMT
#3672
On November 20 2013 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 03:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
he didn't join at mylo. he joined on D2 or something like that and did absolutely nothing for like 2 cycles

are you really trying to tell me that town hopeless puts effort into games? is that your argument for him being scum in this one?


he puts some contribution towards the game as town, even if he did nothing for 2 cycles (pretty much what he's done day1 here), he came back into the thread and delurked to give reads and information, there are lots of longer posts that detail things compared to this game where there are none.



eh. I can see what you're saying here. But since this case is based on meta, can you go look and see what he did in WC2 when he got called scum? I think it was right before his big burst of energy at the end. What he did there he does in all his town games. When I was yelling at him earlier my anger was partially faked, I was trying to see what reaction I could get out of him. Compare that reaction with the reaction that I asked you to look up in WC2
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 19 2013 18:40 GMT
#3673
On November 20 2013 03:36 supersoft wrote:
every second post is from rayn.


hey do you still think BH is assassin?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 19 2013 18:43 GMT
#3674
Well oats was because I didn't even look into him until I got back. I saw someone mention his name and was like "I don't think oats as done as much" so I looked into him and found it really bad. All null reads, no pushing, asking people for reads. The only other game I had to go by was WHC in which he was completely different and so I based it off of that. I'll be happy to reconsider based off of other games where he is equally as useless though. Useless isn't something I like as a meta though......

I prefered SS because his antagonistic style was townish based on what I've read of other games, the fact he couldn't decide on a read was fine for me as it meant we could all discuss it as a town. It was much better than what happened with the VE incident after all. I also admit I've not read into VE since then which is probably an oversight for me.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 19 2013 18:44 GMT
#3675
CHUPAZI
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 19 2013 18:46 GMT
#3676
Is thrawn normally good at this game? I don't see how anyone can legitimately believe BH has a valid case.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 19 2013 18:47 GMT
#3677
Also, rayn, a point on your pandain case that I would like to explore some more is in fact austin. We can do that whenever you want though as you've just posted about Pandain.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 19 2013 18:48 GMT
#3678
On November 20 2013 03:43 Holyflare wrote:
Well oats was because I didn't even look into him until I got back. I saw someone mention his name and was like "I don't think oats as done as much" so I looked into him and found it really bad. All null reads, no pushing, asking people for reads. The only other game I had to go by was WHC in which he was completely different and so I based it off of that. I'll be happy to reconsider based off of other games where he is equally as useless though. Useless isn't something I like as a meta though......

I prefered SS because his antagonistic style was townish based on what I've read of other games, the fact he couldn't decide on a read was fine for me as it meant we could all discuss it as a town. It was much better than what happened with the VE incident after all. I also admit I've not read into VE since then which is probably an oversight for me.

Look Holyflare. I can accept that there might be a possibility that i am wrong on you and you are in fact town. But you have not done very good job so far if that's the case.

Could you give your opinions on what i said on Pandain, your opinion on Austin (because while you included the mason chat you didn't say anything about what do you think of him), and your opinion on supersoft now?

I liked one of your points on BC, the fact that he starts Grack filter from other game from page 3. That's what i would expect more from you if you are town because that was really good imo and so far i think that is DEFINITELY your best contribution towards finding scum.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 19 2013 18:48 GMT
#3679
On November 20 2013 03:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Is thrawn normally good at this game? I don't see how anyone can legitimately believe BH has a valid case.


this is what BH's case is talking about... how ironic

occasionally serious when he needs to push his agenda but include just enough trolling so that nobody is gonna take him seriously
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 19 2013 18:49 GMT
#3680
On November 20 2013 03:47 Holyflare wrote:
Also, rayn, a point on your pandain case that I would like to explore some more is in fact austin. We can do that whenever you want though as you've just posted about Pandain.

Yeah i am just starting to filter dive Austin. That's my next step. I will filter him and see if it makes sense in comparsion to what he talks with you in mason chat.

I already know his filter is full of shit but i wanna do the cross-investigation.
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