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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:39 GMT
#3281
On November 19 2013 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mig: I think hopeless wanted to say scum instead of town. ^^

Artanis: Holyflare is really contributive and can appear as town as scum too. He did really good job in Hogwarts as looking like town before he made a bad claim and syllogism caught him for it. Even then he survived for some phases because his posting was really good. He is a good scumplayer i think and "tone" and "i think he would not say this as scum" reasons do not make him town.

I do not see anything that explicitly makes him scum though. I've read your original case and I don't think it's strong enough when looking at the overall picture. His read on you and Mocsta mirrored mine too much for me to consider him anything than a town read right now. If he's scum, there's plenty of days worth of material still to come.

I made a new case on him on D2 start where i tired to explain myself better. Well it's not important atm, as we are not gonna lynch him either way i think but i suggest you read that one too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:40 GMT
#3282
On November 18 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If people can't understand these simple things then my work is done here and i can quit this game:

1) Holyflare says i called Risen town. I didn't, i explained it. After that Holyflare still says i called Risen town. This means he has either not read my posts (which is unbelieveable because he thought i was scum for it) or he has read my posts and arguing about bullshit. If he had read my posts he should have called me out for making up bullshit but he didn't. Instead he twisted the argument into something i have never said - in any case what Holyflare says i did is not true - he is making shit up for some reason and townies do not make shit up.

2) He made a big ass campaign for running for mayor. He never followed those points he brought up and the campaign was shit in the first place. He never did try to convince anyone someone is scum. He never tried to get anyone lynched. He never tried to convince the other candidates someone was scum. He doesn't even have scumreads it seems because he is not talking about them.

3) His read on me changed for no reason. None of the reasons he called me scum for "went away". The only thing that happened was i made some reads (which he did call bad).

4) That's all he has done this game.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:43 GMT
#3283
On point (1):

I did not call Risen town. I explained my though process when Oats questioned it.

Holyflare STILL said something else. He can't possibly say something else unless (1) he has not read my posts or (2) is making shit up.

(1) Why would you not read your scumreads posts on something you call him scum for?
(2) obvscum
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:44 GMT
#3284
It's all in my filter and if i have to make a multiquote post about it i will, it's so really clear.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 18 2013 19:44 GMT
#3285
On November 19 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis, could you read my case on HF and tell me what do you think about it. Like really read. Because all the people misread the risen-accusation on D1 and i kinda did not give a shit to explain it better.



Rayn I actually think my points on HF are better but whateves.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 18 2013 19:45 GMT
#3286
On November 19 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If people can't understand these simple things then my work is done here and i can quit this game:

1) Holyflare says i called Risen town. I didn't, i explained it. After that Holyflare still says i called Risen town. This means he has either not read my posts (which is unbelieveable because he thought i was scum for it) or he has read my posts and arguing about bullshit. If he had read my posts he should have called me out for making up bullshit but he didn't. Instead he twisted the argument into something i have never said - in any case what Holyflare says i did is not true - he is making shit up for some reason and townies do not make shit up.

2) He made a big ass campaign for running for mayor. He never followed those points he brought up and the campaign was shit in the first place. He never did try to convince anyone someone is scum. He never tried to get anyone lynched. He never tried to convince the other candidates someone was scum. He doesn't even have scumreads it seems because he is not talking about them.

3) His read on me changed for no reason. None of the reasons he called me scum for "went away". The only thing that happened was i made some reads (which he did call bad).

4) That's all he has done this game.


1) If HF is as good as you say he is, I doubt intentionally misrepresenting your case after you've clarified it is something a scum HF would do. It seems more like the arguing of a frustrated HF trying to explain what went down and missing some of the details, which I'd consider more town than scum. I don't think he intentionally messed this up regardless of his alignment.

2) I was planning on making a big campaign too, but he realized it was pointless when some veterans started throwing their weight around. He got engaged in the thread. He tried to convince people you were scum, and has attacked BC, Mattchew, Hopeless, and Grack in his filter. Perhaps he hasn't pushed them as strongly as you would've liked, but there are plenty of people who haven't tried convincing others.

3) My read changed at similar times as his did. I had the same reasons, but they dissipated as I saw the change in your quality of posting. In fact, how he changed his read on you makes me feel more townie on him than before.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:47 GMT
#3287
On November 15 2013 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 15 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Risen has overly paranoid reads as both alignments, there is no way of telling his alignment from those posts.

So what's your plan of getting a read on Risen? Your initial post said that you wanted to ignore him on day 1 leading me to believe you thought he was town being dumb. Why did you make that initial statement?

I am planning on getting a read on him after D1.

Artanis you yourself questioned me about it. Here.

AFTER this HF STILL says i called Risen town. Why? Did you think after this i did initially call Risen town?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 18 2013 19:48 GMT
#3288
I need to reread grack I just dont want to change my read on him only because of mocstas flip.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:48 GMT
#3289
My point on (1) is Holyflare is twisting my words and banking on other people not understanding what he is doing.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 18 2013 19:49 GMT
#3290
On November 19 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My point on (1) is Holyflare is twisting my words and banking on other people not understanding what he is doing.

This does not correspond with considering him a good player, or you presume that he doesn't think you're a good player. It seems suicidal for scum to do something like this.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 18 2013 19:50 GMT
#3291
On November 19 2013 04:25 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mig, is that just an errant thought or do you think VE is scummy for it? Look how many of his initial scumlist flipped town from this post:

The NK's make VE look so bad, there is no way hes scum to me.


So a bunch of people on VE's scumlist being revealed as town makes him town to you? Also, he backtracked on that list and posted Skanj4b, Pandain, hiro protagonist, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster as his list for who he would lynch into.

I am less concerned with the NKs and more concerned with the fact VE had like 9 pages of filter day1 while running for mayor and since becoming mayor hes done exactly nothing.


ve town mayor meta is play balls to the wall day 1 and then mislynch and putz around feeling sorry for himself rest of game. he could be scum tho just not cause hes doin nuthin now.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 18 2013 19:51 GMT
#3292
I think the biggest thing on HF now is how he said LM was a null read to him in his response to my case on him but when you read what he was actually saying about LM it really doesnt look like he was saying LM was null it looks like he is trying to paint LM as scummy.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 18 2013 19:54 GMT
#3293
I want to see what HF does when he isn't the center of attention. If he goes afk I'm willing to reconsider my read on him. If he doesn't, there'll be new material to consider. Can we put him on the backburner for now?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:55 GMT
#3294
On November 19 2013 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If people can't understand these simple things then my work is done here and i can quit this game:

1) Holyflare says i called Risen town. I didn't, i explained it. After that Holyflare still says i called Risen town. This means he has either not read my posts (which is unbelieveable because he thought i was scum for it) or he has read my posts and arguing about bullshit. If he had read my posts he should have called me out for making up bullshit but he didn't. Instead he twisted the argument into something i have never said - in any case what Holyflare says i did is not true - he is making shit up for some reason and townies do not make shit up.

2) He made a big ass campaign for running for mayor. He never followed those points he brought up and the campaign was shit in the first place. He never did try to convince anyone someone is scum. He never tried to get anyone lynched. He never tried to convince the other candidates someone was scum. He doesn't even have scumreads it seems because he is not talking about them.

3) His read on me changed for no reason. None of the reasons he called me scum for "went away". The only thing that happened was i made some reads (which he did call bad).

4) That's all he has done this game.


1) If HF is as good as you say he is, I doubt intentionally misrepresenting your case after you've clarified it is something a scum HF would do. It seems more like the arguing of a frustrated HF trying to explain what went down and missing some of the details, which I'd consider more town than scum. I don't think he intentionally messed this up regardless of his alignment.

2) I was planning on making a big campaign too, but he realized it was pointless when some veterans started throwing their weight around. He got engaged in the thread. He tried to convince people you were scum, and has attacked BC, Mattchew, Hopeless, and Grack in his filter. Perhaps he hasn't pushed them as strongly as you would've liked, but there are plenty of people who haven't tried convincing others.

3) My read changed at similar times as his did. I had the same reasons, but they dissipated as I saw the change in your quality of posting. In fact, how he changed his read on you makes me feel more townie on him than before.

1) I explained this... Bleh..
2) The point is he does not follow any points in his campaign. All he does is to argue with me while saying he ignores me.
3) This is actually a legit point many people have said is true if you read the original case. Hell even Holyflare says this is tru lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 19:56 GMT
#3295
On November 19 2013 04:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I want to see what HF does when he isn't the center of attention. If he goes afk I'm willing to reconsider my read on him. If he doesn't, there'll be new material to consider. Can we put him on the backburner for now?

Agreed.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 18 2013 19:58 GMT
#3296
Here's my list of people I want to talk about regarding nooses:
The Cobbler
Mattchew
Hopeless1der

And here's my list of people I would like to see vigged:
Mr. Cheesecake
Stutters695

I'm presuming BH will receive the noose today so I'd rather not spend any more energy on that.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 18 2013 20:01 GMT
#3297
On November 19 2013 04:37 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Also what do you think of supersoft? He waffled on some bullshit balancecrap earlier on today, then said he'll look into BH and disappeared.


SS has done a bunch of stuff I have been suspicious of. Everyone says he is an amazing analyzer but I haven't seen him put in effort and do much of it (oats stuff is ok tho). That being said, he said he was probably going to kill Mocsta right at the end of the day if VE didn't come back. There is almost no way mafia would do this and throw away a 2kp vig for a day1 lynch. Unless he knew VE was coming back I have a hard time seeing him as mafia.


A bunch of stuff? Like what? I wanted to kill mocsta and i was one vote away from doing it/10minutes away from doing it.

and rayn, please stop dump nonesense in this thread. It's extremely annoying. You provide nothing. All you do is demanding masons to claim and creating wild theories about trollBH.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 20:01 GMT
#3298
On November 19 2013 04:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My point on (1) is Holyflare is twisting my words and banking on other people not understanding what he is doing.

This does not correspond with considering him a good player, or you presume that he doesn't think you're a good player. It seems suicidal for scum to do something like this.

I still want to say this. I consider myself quite decent as scum. If i find the thread sentiment in agreeing with me when i spew out bullshit (look at Catch 22, i made a mistake in trusting Coag to change his read on me when everyone else had a townread on me) i can just make up shit and get away with it and there is nothing one can do if they are the only one who knows the truth.

Like, if you know only your accuser knows the truth and noone else does not, unless they are a vigilante who shoots you in the face you can get away with any shit you say.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 20:02 GMT
#3299
On November 15 2013 08:38 Coagulation wrote:
im gonna vote VE for mayor he has consistently lynched scum day 1 as town mayor at omgus.net
I can back it with links if yall want.


On November 19 2013 04:50 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:25 Mig wrote:
On November 19 2013 04:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mig, is that just an errant thought or do you think VE is scummy for it? Look how many of his initial scumlist flipped town from this post:

The NK's make VE look so bad, there is no way hes scum to me.


So a bunch of people on VE's scumlist being revealed as town makes him town to you? Also, he backtracked on that list and posted Skanj4b, Pandain, hiro protagonist, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster as his list for who he would lynch into.

I am less concerned with the NKs and more concerned with the fact VE had like 9 pages of filter day1 while running for mayor and since becoming mayor hes done exactly nothing.


ve town mayor meta is play balls to the wall day 1 and then mislynch and putz around feeling sorry for himself rest of game. he could be scum tho just not cause hes doin nuthin now.

rofl wat?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 18 2013 20:02 GMT
#3300
On November 19 2013 05:01 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:37 Mig wrote:
On November 19 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Also what do you think of supersoft? He waffled on some bullshit balancecrap earlier on today, then said he'll look into BH and disappeared.


SS has done a bunch of stuff I have been suspicious of. Everyone says he is an amazing analyzer but I haven't seen him put in effort and do much of it (oats stuff is ok tho). That being said, he said he was probably going to kill Mocsta right at the end of the day if VE didn't come back. There is almost no way mafia would do this and throw away a 2kp vig for a day1 lynch. Unless he knew VE was coming back I have a hard time seeing him as mafia.


A bunch of stuff? Like what? I wanted to kill mocsta and i was one vote away from doing it/10minutes away from doing it.

and rayn, please stop dump nonesense in this thread. It's extremely annoying. You provide nothing. All you do is demanding masons to claim and creating wild theories about trollBH.

How is your BH filter dive going?
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