Should be pretty awesome though.
It'd be nice to roll scum ONE TIME though. Fingers crossed.
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Should be pretty awesome though. It'd be nice to roll scum ONE TIME though. Fingers crossed. /in. | ||
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-WoS Iunno. Doesn't feel like the WoS I've played with. I'll let it develop. In other news, much desire to lynch Onegu. A) he's always scum B) I never catch/suspect him. | ||
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On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content! Yo I'm supposed to be a brainwashed religious acolyte. Original and thought provoking not really my thing hue | ||
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Besides not so many reads just stuff. You weren't (aren't? unsure) playing how I'm used to but I can dismiss that if I need to. Was about the best I had. My shots at onegu are strictly based on teh player i have no idea his current alignment. Massive walls of text full of dumb videos is either rayn territory or scum usually so I'm flaming gumshoe. MEANWHILE I have no actual idea who is scum so I'm making sure people don't decide to lurker lynch me ![]() | ||
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![]() I promise I'm developing reads and thinking about the game, just not at a rate that provides anything interesting to town right now. I try to gather data with a more or less null read on everybody so as to be objective, then study the data once I feel like its enough for a "read". | ||
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Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard. Thoughts? | ||
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![]() I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates ![]() | ||
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I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now. Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right. | ||
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I'm around from now till deadline though so my vote can move if we need to get a majority somewhere. | ||
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Onegu didnt read like he was frustrated so much to me iunno. I'll give you that it sounded different when I read it again in his filter. At least thrawns here I can sheep somebody. | ||
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Thats what WoS is doing. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2013 08:49 hzflank wrote: On November 05 2013 08:43 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey hzflank, what do you think about sn0's play so far? Disregard the specifics of who said what or who accused who of what, I want you to casually read his filter and describe to me his tone, attitude, etc. When I read him earlier, his tone was very fun. His attitude was casual, dare I say he seemed to be enjoying the game. At times you might think he has a idgaf attitude, but then he makes a few posts and you reseal that he is in fact invested in the current game. This is almost exactly what I've been thinking. Don't all of these things hint of green and not red? How do you reconcile his general townie behavior with the things you think he's done that are scummy? Page 17 shortly after OO loses it and flank feels the need to sheep OO. | ||
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1) I need to see who votes for what wagon when people flip. Thats integral to how I find scum. 2) I find it hard to believe that scum won't manage to get 1 blue vig off before we get to elect blues again anyway, in which case we still only get 2. | ||
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A) never rolled scum B) only been mislynched once. At lylo. Due to rayn being rayn and onegu being fucking op as scum. Day 1s are always awful for me tho since how the hell should I know who scum is? | ||
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I was also literally the only person to post in teh scum qt post sub-in I think. | ||
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Silly cephiro get ur disgusting devourer pic off our page. | ||
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How many times have I mislynched you Umasi? Only one? | ||
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On November 06 2013 04:05 EchelonTee wrote: no, rayn has not posted anything since I came back to thread huh ur right oops im wrong | ||
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its just majority. theres nobody here to bother u and ET are prolly both town and umasi fucked off (plus I've mislynched that guy before he's never useful so its hard for me to call him scum based on being crap). I wanted to sheep u but ur like "well lets vote this guy but i'm like 100% unsure on him" cant u find me scum? ![]() | ||
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I read Syl and he seemed genuine, nothing that would make me think he's scum. He isn't right about ET I don't think but that certainly isn't a scumtell. | ||
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I thought I remembered lynching you oh well. | ||
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##Vote: Hzflank Need 3 more votes to lynch. I do not believe that a no-lynch benefits town and as such PLEASE VOTE PEOPLE. | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:38 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2013 06:32 hzflank wrote: On November 06 2013 06:26 Umasi wrote: idk, the last post by hzflank does not look scummy though, he asserts that he doesn't want to vote ET, and he backs off on me.. kinda like, a lack of self preservation Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking. For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change. As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch. People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended ![]() But there isn't someone else that'll gain enough traction in time, that's my issue. It's not that I think you're scum, you just aren't town enough to warrant a no-lynch. Bingo | ||
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I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm. ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him. Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too. Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think. Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO. WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc). Thats like everybody relevant I think. I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat. | ||
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I might not recall the exact details of most of them since theres a lot of dumb cases floating around on various people. Rayn's play seems fine to me. | ||
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Thrawn goes "OO's playing weird as fuck. I've never seen anything like this" Then he goes "Wait, I *have* seen this before. Who was it... Oh yeah Dandel did this in BEMMII" (I (sn0) casually read that game myself btw) Then he's like "Well the only time i've ever seen this was when dandel was doing it as scum so it seems like scum to me". Thats how I saw it at least. Plus or minus my points about him being over defensive for no reason and playing with a mindset that I can only see as scummy. | ||
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It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him). I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many. Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum). | ||
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Discussing who voted for OO is pretty safe IMO, since scum know if he was blue or if he died to their NK anyway. Admittedly if they NK'd him they don't know if he was blue. Okay maybe we talk about it after this lynch? | ||
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Which is why I'm trying to figure out what happened last night since if OO was a blue shot then I can believe that you were targetted but saved for example. That would give me more confidence in your reads. Vets who push a mislynch D1 then go "WHOAH COMPLETE 180 ON MY READS GUYS" and are still alive D2 smell funny to me. I agree with your points but hnnnnng smells funny. So I'm looking for certainty there. There are 2 1-shot witch hunters read the OP lol. | ||
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W/e, discussing it with u isn't helping I don't think. | ||
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On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote: In other news: Show nested quote + On November 08 2013 00:35 Sn0_Man wrote: If a voted-blue dies to the blue-vig ability, do they flip green or blue? This raised the hackles on the back of my neck. The best part about this is I could 100% see scum asking this question. No it's not entirely alignment indicative, but it makes MORE sense to me for scum to purposefully write it in the thread to use a mod-question to game people into thinking they are town for whatever reason, ESPECIALLY if he KNEW his question was not going to be answered in thread. A lot of that is conjecture but it's simply how I feel. Make of it what you will. Welcome to "WoS makes up shit", part 1. A) it was answered in thread B) Hows it make more sense for scum to ask a question that they know the answer to than for town to ask a question when they, you know, have a question? WoS knows he's full of shit so he's already backing off this post before he finishes writing it, but he feels the need to post it anyway. On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On November 08 2013 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote: Errybody's afk or something. It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him). I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many. Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum). This reads like scum fishing for witchcraft vote analysis, when I'm pretty sure nobody wanted to claim votes this early. (or at all?) Why in all that is holy would town Sn0's first assumption be that he was hit by a witchcraft bullet and that scum have spent it this early in the game? Not only did OO look increasingly less towny as the game progressed (in my opinion) but to also assume that most of the rest of town would have assumed he WAS towny enough to receive some high number of votes AND that scum would have assumed he would be a good shot for that reason is absolutely ridiculous. WoS makes up shit, part 2. 1) It is absolutely not witchraft vote analysis. OO is dead and as such knowing if he was blue or not can't hurt town (the old blues have no powers by now anyway). I merely am trying to ascertain which bullet killed WoS. It was absolutely not my "first assumption" you are just trying to paint me scummy. I am trying to SOLVE THE GAME (a worthwhile pursuit last I heard) and one of the open questionmarks is how and why OO died. I made absolutely NO assumptions regarding OO's vote total, how scum percieved him, etc. Basically you are completely and utterly misrepresenting me. I merely was considering getting more info so that I could make EDUCATED guesses regarding how he died. All your points that suggest he may not have been a silver bullet shot ALSO suggest he wasn't a normal KP so what gives? Thats what I want to know. I think its more likely he was a Silver Bullet than a KP for the reasons given. On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On November 08 2013 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote: I like the points against onegu, Syl's vote was WTF, my current biggest concern is that you are still alive. While I agree with (almost) all the things you say you being alive is giving me misgivings because I would have expected you to die. Which is why I'm trying to figure out what happened last night since if OO was a blue shot then I can believe that you were targetted but saved for example. That would give me more confidence in your reads. Vets who push a mislynch D1 then go "WHOAH COMPLETE 180 ON MY READS GUYS" and are still alive D2 smell funny to me. I agree with your points but hnnnnng smells funny. So I'm looking for certainty there. There are 2 1-shot witch hunters read the OP lol. thrawn pointed this out already, but to be pointing out suspicions that someone is still alive after D1?! Shit spreading. Classic mafia tactic. Apologies for being transparent and sharing my thoughts and concerns. My post explicitly states that "I'm looking for certainty" not "zomg thrawn scum lynch!11!11One". On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote: I hereby regret saving Sn0 yesterday and it appears we are now back where we started; the D2 lynch will probably amount to either Onegu or Sn0 in my eyes. Grats. @Thread: apologies this is kinda long. Blame WoS. | ||
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See, you say he's a bad NK. We agree. Thats why I think he wasn't the NK. But you won't entertain that. How the hell would I know who scum is? I never do lol. Currently on the "sheep thrawn" plan (hence my semi-paranoid fears regarding him). Next up is the LYNCH YOU plan cuz not only is this nothing like Town!WoS, you also are actively stomping on my perfectly reasonable discussion and flinging shit at me in the exact manner you accused me of doing to others. | ||
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On November 09 2013 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote: I just explained why scum ought to be shooting off at least one silver bullet N1. Your explanation reads: "Please town, don't figure out the game". See, you say he's a bad NK. We agree. Thats why I think he wasn't the NK. But you won't entertain that. How the hell would I know who scum is? I never do lol. Currently on the "sheep thrawn" plan (hence my semi-paranoid fears regarding him). Next up is the LYNCH YOU plan cuz not only is this nothing like Town!WoS, you also are actively stomping on my perfectly reasonable discussion and flinging shit at me in the exact manner you accused me of doing to others. Was @ WoS's post on the last page not on this page | ||
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I say he does it as both alignments. I've played with onegu as town and scum multiple times. He plays very similarly as both alignments and he's always the last scum to die. I've lost to his scum. If other people think he is scum, I am going to lend weight to their arguments because I have no reason to believe otherwise. | ||
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On November 09 2013 01:17 Onegu wrote: Sn0 why would scum not wait for more info to take a shot, it doesnt make any sense. Cuz they don't get more info. But they DO get less targets. And they deny themselves the chance to cut town's blue roles down almost instantly. | ||
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On November 09 2013 01:24 Umasi wrote: regarding cephiro, he sure as shit is more likely to be lynched than vanesco. I will be able to change my vote before the lynch, so I'll do that in some number of hours if it is required of me. baby steps. afk for class I'd lynch vanesco before ceph atm. | ||
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I can accept that it didn't happen but I'm not going to just "believe" it. You know, deciphering whether OO was blue shouldn't be that goddamn hard for town. just "I voted OO' or "I didn't vote OO" doesn't tell scum enough for them to shoot IMO. Whatever. Its too late for this to be relevant I suppose. WoS u got any reasons for Umasi to be scum? This is just like his other badtown games :/ | ||
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On November 09 2013 02:21 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm on lunch right now, will be back in an hour-ish. I just wrote up a huge rage-fueled thing at Sn0's last post but I won't bother. Sn0, you're terrible. I'm now really interested to see your flip because we've never rubbed each other the wrong way like this before as town buddies, so I'm wondering if you are scum or else what gives? | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2013 04:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Umasi doesn't even sound stressed or mad that he's getting lynched... ![]() That's because he's not....? Not getting lynched or not stressed? Considering how cephiro played it YESTERDAY and how he's 1 vote from getting a majority, Onegu's lynch seems like the most likely course of action today. So I'd say he ought to be playing as if he's getting lynched (Which tbh seems like what he is doing). If you meant he isn't stressed/mad, well then thats what I'm saying is weird. I get stressed/mad as town when practically anybody votes me, much less when I'm a serious wagon. Mad at people for thinking I'm not town when I am (and to myself its obvious), and stressed because I desperately don't want to be mislynched since I KNOW thats bad for town. | ||
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So with 7 alive, and considering the game thus far, there are 3 people who could be scum, and 2 scum. Koshi/Syl/Hopeless are the options. I have a green pm, umasi has a green check (lel), rayn and thrawn aren't scum. A cursory glance at the voting yesterday inclines me to lynch Syl and Hopeless (Koshi was on the vanesco train in decent time, Hopeless was the DEAD LAST vote long after the lynch was secured, Syl was off in lala land). Of note, town literally cannot lose if we do not lynch me (assuming nobody pops up dead from silver bullets... fingers crossed). My fear then is that I'm getting lynched. At which point I feel we still have a decent shot but now we are rolling the dice. So I'll lynch any of Hopeless/Syl/Koshi based on that. I'll look at them a bit more in depth now. I am around and will be posting up-to and thru the night end. If somebody dies from silver bullet tonight we enter tomorrow at MYLO. So a no-lynch would actually be in order. That is awkward because all we lose is conftown... ![]() | ||
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On November 13 2013 01:15 Koshi wrote: I don't know the difference. The difference is IF scum NK goes through tonight THEN we are at 4:2 and do NOT have to lynch. We can no-lynch, lose another townie, and have a 3:2 the next day where hypothetically guessing scum is easier. Admittedly you lose all the good townies in that situation but generally it does make it easier. MYLO= Mislynch you lose aka a no-lynch is fine LYLO= Lynch or you lose aka you gotta hit scum boys. | ||
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Not that I'm thinking he's scum but posts like On November 05 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO and thrawn look the worst atm. Sylencia i don't think Vanesco is scum. put a seed of doubt in me. YES IT WAS EARLY D1 but to be so utterly wrong... ![]() Now I gotta figure out if the night actions could possibly involve scum rayn. Intuition says no still. For now I'm believing rayns claim but when I get to the night-action claims I'll be re-examining I think. For those who are gonna flame me for shit-flinging without a case or vote: Don't care what you say. I'm re-reading and posting what I find. When I get to the end I hope to have figured out at least 1 scum for sure. As far as I'm concerned the rayn claim is central to that because it solves 2 people. | ||
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He spent the early game pushing thrawn really hard (with vanesco helping), had a big case post followed by "come at me if u dislike my case" kind of bluff. Rayn wrote a case on HIM in return and ET said "Fine fine my case is shit. That doesn't make me scum lol". -_-. He was pretty adamant that the people he would lynch were me and thrawn, and that people voting others were wasting their votes. But he slid onto the Hzflank and later gumshoe lynches pretty smoothly. I'm at the start of D2 and rayn and thrawn both have big scumreads on ET which is helping. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 08 2013 11:23 Umasi wrote: so I think that onegu is town, purely by feel, and would rather see votes on other people. I had a good feeling about hz at the end of d1, but since then it's been *shrug*, will keep relatively close track of koshi. Kinda leery of hopeless/et atm, but not that much. Not sure about rayn, but there are other people I prefer to lynch. I have sylencia as town still, but I've kind of slept on him for a while. I still like a vanesco lynch, can we lynch him? Show nested quote + On November 07 2013 17:18 Vanesco wrote: After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion. Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man. For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time. The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning. He says that he thinks both sno and I are scummy, but doesn't pursue it at all, he just addresses why thrawn ISN'T listed. feels like he was throwing something out there to throw something out there. Show nested quote + On November 07 2013 17:27 Vanesco wrote: I'm also disliking all of this meta talk. While meta is good as a guideline I think people are going to much in this line of talk "well since he plays like this and this game he is playing slightly differently then he obviously must be the opposite role he was last game". Some meta talk is fine but some pages are just filled with mostly meta talk. What about some game related topics like the votes, OO's death at night and any suspicions he had on people and any people he put in the town zone. It seems many people are ignoring these greatly and if we do so then it puts town almost back into the same position as it was in day 1 with some extra reads and 2 townies dead. 'I dislike meta talk' proceeds to talk about meta ##vote: vanesco This was long before vanesco had a chance at being lynched and while scum can definitely bus, I just don't see this coming from scum!Umasi. Too many other easy targets, and ALL his posts feel far too genuine. So even if I doubt rayn, Umasi still town. | ||
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On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote: This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target? So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill. OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO. ##Vote: Sn0_Man Early D2. Hopeless jumped on not much later. | ||
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On November 13 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote: Will you be here around deadline snow? I'm here for the next 3 hours, so past deadline yes | ||
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![]() I'm pretty much ignoring your post re: koshi till daytime. AFAIK one of syl and koshi are scum, along with one of rayn and ET/Hopeless though. Right now I'm thinking hopeless as mentioned above but that could easily be confirmation bias. Rayn's play this game pretty disgusting if town. Considering he's claiming to be playing "for end-game cred" he's been CONSISTENTLY wrong so far about essentially everything (approaching d2 lynch). Except Umasi town, he's right about that lel. | ||
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I'm properly reading it now. | ||
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![]() I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game). Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not... How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something. | ||
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How does "If i could suicide without getting banned for it" count as genuine? Because scum would never say something like that safe and secure in the knowledge that it can't happen... owait. See, I'd probably be glad to do the same (depending on the results of tonights actions since we may still have a mislynch available to us in which case me suiciding isn't smart at all). Wheres my free towncred? I don't even get how when hopeless subbed in he was your prime scumread (start of d2), then he hasn't posted anything at all that could be construed as scumhunting (the best he's got is SHEEPING VANESCO and voting me), and now he is "probably not scum". If you read hopeless filter (nice and short) all it is is a bunch of berating town ("WoS gg post so bad omg" etc plus "well towns fucking terrible too bad oh well you cant blame me since nobody else is trying I dont have to either"). He threw suspicion at Ceph and Umasi (town X2) before the vanesco flip. His filter is just garbage. Yet somehow he's townier than me. Meanwhile I've been the only person Vanesco was seriously willing to call scum for practically the entire game, clearly that makes me scum. You'll notice in Hogwarts where i was confirmed town the entire game I still couldn't nail down scum until I was NK'd. I'm just not good at that shit. Anyway i'll read just syl so that I can actually focus on his posts or somethign. | ||
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Yo yesterday syl seemed like a good lynch. Today I reread the entire fuckign thread and syl simply wasn't obvious when I mentioned I was focusing on rayn and hopeless/et (as well as vanesco since he flipped scum). | ||
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On November 13 2013 05:59 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but how do you "forget" about your main d3 scumread? when you say his posts are forgettable you're implying that you cant really remember what he's said. how could you have had a scumread on him during D3 if you've been ignoring him? I had scumreads d3? this is news to me. I barely managed to skim the thread lol. When I wrote that post I thought that syl was probably a better lynch than vanesco, based on skim. On November 13 2013 06:00 Koshi wrote: Snowman, how do you feel about rayn as scum giving us a "free" townread in Umasi. Seems like a reasonable play as either alignment considering Umasi's obviously town... I considered how it would reflect on rayn and I've decided it doesn't help read him at all. In other news I read Syl and I don't see evidence for him being scum. I don't see any for him being town either though, its kinda messed up. Tunnelling Cephiro ALL GAME LONG seemed reasonable as either alignment. The swap onto "RAYN AND THRAWN SCUM HUEHUEHUE" seems equally dumb as either alignment. This games dum. | ||
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I'm not calling rayn scum for it. Its a purely null point to me. I'm still not calling rayn scum at all. But he isn't at conftown to me. Close, but not there. | ||
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People seem to disagree, but at 4:2 the correct play here is to no-lynch. Barring that, Koshi's death means that syl and hopeless are both almost certainly scum. Last night's blue role CAN SAFELY CLAIM NOW since dying to silver bullet merely removes our no-lynch option, which is IMO worth less than a check would be. Plus you will be alive all day today and have a lynch vote. If the blue role claims, no-lynch is no longer an option. Actually, no-lynch seems scary now that I think about a blue-vig possibility. OK. no no-lynch after all. ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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We lose if you lynch me. | ||
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READ VANESCO PLEASE PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game. | ||
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Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination. Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1, doing my best to discuss onegu day 2, actually voting for scum d3, etc... You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread. | ||
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On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote: That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him. Sounds like ur back to making shit up | ||
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Dear hopeless: Who is scum? If it includes me, who else? will you at least consider voting the other person instead of me? If not, why not? | ||
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I've laid out everything I have. I'll check in and toss my comments but realistically I've said all I can say. I am not scum. Thrawn is not scum. Rayn is very unlikely to be scum. Umasi is not scum. Hopeless is scum by PoE and since him and vanesco were pushing the exact same agenda for 2 days running. When asked about vanesco et called him "null or very slightly scummy" despite having exactly the same reads. Hopeless continued to sheep vanesco. Syl is scum mostly by PoE since he hasn't managed to even push a scum agenda, just be utterly useless. "Lynch cephiro" -> ceph flips town. "OH jk lynch rayn and thrawn".... yeah. | ||
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On November 09 2013 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote: Oh hell the fuck no. This guys dead tomorrow Sn0 can have another day. Posts like this bother me ![]() | ||
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I'm around from now to the "day-line" (obviously not the deadline) but I remain unsure what brilliant new revelation I can bring beyond "hopeless/syl scumteam". | ||
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Everything else is drivel. "Oh Sn0 wanted to lynch Syl over vanesco" guess what syl is scum "Oh Sn0 got Onegu lynched" yeah sure whatever floats your boat. I offered meta reference. Onegu played scummy. Hopeless deliberately misconstrues me and uses emotionally charged language in an attempt to squelch logic regarding why Onegu actually died. "Sn0 figures the D1 NK may have been a silver bullet" obviously this is a clear scumtell thank you for pointing this out Hopeless no town would ever consider such a thing. Trying to figure out the game is how i play tyvm. "Sn0 gave me shit when I replaced in" please excuse me for poking people in a mafia game to see how they react. "Sn0 dropped his scumread on Syl day 4" well somebody didn't read day 4 at all Hopeless also attempts to garner towncred in the middle of this for last-voting onto vanesco after he's already been hammered for a while without any chance of any other lynch. And feels the need to jump on me messing up names (onegu instead of vanesco watever). Ok thats his whole case boiled down and somewhat in order (excepting the first point). | ||
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On November 14 2013 02:55 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2013 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you? i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out Hows this gonna work lol our votes are pretty much secured already. Regardless of alignment both of us *must* construe the other one as scum. Whether we lynch Syl first or not is irrelevant. We can't "work it out" we simply have to hope you believe us. There is no world where me and hopeless can end up agreeing (except about lynching syl, which I kinda wonder why we aren't doing tbh). I'm town so I'd assume you'd believe me but I suppose there is a world where hopeless manages to be more persuasive than me. | ||
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I assume that said blue has nothing of value to share but WHY NOT? | ||
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I aint got shit to say lol. Wats the matter with my defense? Its hard to write intelligent stuff when his case is that bad. Like how do I address this: On November 13 2013 12:08 Hopeless1der wrote: @Sn0 Show nested quote + On November 13 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote: On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote: That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him. Sounds like ur back to making shit up Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!" He literally makes up shit (that somehow I think syl is scummier than him which is patently false), I call him on it, and his response is "What did i make up?"... I was going with "anybody who read that shit would insta lock on hopeless no way he's town" | ||
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On November 14 2013 03:35 Hopeless1der wrote: sn0's defense to a 'not very good' case should be more substantial than giving you a repeat feel of 'not very good', dont you tihink? "My case is shit but Sn0 can't respond to points that DONT EXIST hes obviously scum" | ||
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Regardless, + Show Spoiler + On November 10 2013 14:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 10 2013 13:37 thrawn2112 wrote: On November 10 2013 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: man wtf is this game....I still want sylencia to tell me what his read of me is, and why the fuck he thinks its his job to berate town for lynching onegu when he did nothing to prevent it or present an alternative. What do you think sylencia's berating of town says about his alignment and why? Annnnnnd do you have anything else you want to talk about? I dont remember where, or even who, though I think it was marv, but someone said that posts like syl's are almost always from scum. I also dont even remember why, I just saw that post and something clicked in my brain that said he's supposed to be scum for it. May or not be made up but since i get flamed for "unsubstantiated" comments on Onegu's meta (despite playing like 3 games in a row with him) I can call this made up. | ||
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On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote: On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote: So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works? I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play. I think it's scummy that I read this and I can't tell if you think Sylencia is scummy or not, when my first impression was 'he's acting accusatory' (with your first line) but then continue reading and can't actually determine if you just think his thoughts are bad or if he's scummy for his lack of ideas on the setup and for him not looking up a player list. Also, asking us not to discuss strategy is blatantly scum agenda. ##Vote: Vanesco Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside. This is Umasi's first post of the game. I'd be VERY surprised if scum's plan from day 1 was to tunnel his scumbuddy from post 1 and never give up. | ||
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I've never dropped my slight reservations with respect to rayn but he had enough townreads from others and enough opportunity to imo avert the vanesco lynch and to drive other mislynches (me lol) that I just find it so much more likely that hopeless and syl r scum. | ||
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This is just a quick PSA. I'm not around now nor have I read to here. | ||
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I told you I wasn't gonna be around till around now | ||
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##Vote: Sylencia I am around till deadline. Vote changes that involve lynching hopeless are acceptable. | ||
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