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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 31 2013 15:36 GMT
#12
This game feeeeeeels scum favoured.

Should be pretty awesome though.

It'd be nice to roll scum ONE TIME though. Fingers crossed.

/in.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 31 2013 17:53 GMT
#16
I have 0 knowledge of the last one. I have also been known to be remarkably wrong regarding setup balance. I'm just tossing out a first impression
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 31 2013 17:58 GMT
#18
I dunno any info outed regarding the voting just gets said blues shot. If you don't out info regarding the votes then you can't use it to catch scum. If the blue roles are too good... well thats an entirely different story. Again, if it played out differently last time I'm unaware of that.

I'm a terrible townie.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 31 2013 19:01 GMT
#21
I see that the scum wincon is not the standard "outnumber town" one. Does this mean that the game may eventually involve vote-races in 2-2 situations for example? Or is 2-2 considered "nothing can prevent all coven members dying" and scum win?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 31 2013 19:06 GMT
#23
Oh right yeah forgot the majority lynch (I promise I did read it lol).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 03 2013 23:41 GMT
#113
I've been informed this game started. Something something be back tomorrow
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 16:17 GMT
#238
Can WoS post this actively as scum? Not a fan of his take on the game so far.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 16:44 GMT
#240
"Hey guys i'm super excited I rolled scum which I never do. OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY"
-WoS

Iunno. Doesn't feel like the WoS I've played with. I'll let it develop.

In other news, much desire to lynch Onegu. A) he's always scum B) I never catch/suspect him.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 16:55 GMT
#242
No I never have stuff on Onegu thats the problem. Sneakiest mofo on the planet.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 16:56 GMT
#243
Also u were 3p in that game we played not so long ago. The one where you were shot as Survivor N1 right after BlazingHand claimed survivor as scum :D
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 17:15 GMT
#248
Scum Syl plays the same way thrawn.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 18:25 GMT
#265
ET felt transparently scum last game in the later stages of D1. I'm not in a rush to lynch him until I see that stuff again.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 18:25 GMT
#266
Ninja'd
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 18:35 GMT
#271
I dont do stuff D1 WoS you silly person you.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 18:39 GMT
#273
On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content!

Yo I'm supposed to be a brainwashed religious acolyte. Original and thought provoking not really my thing hue
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 18:42 GMT
#276
Hmmm "Scumshoe" has a nice ring to it.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 18:50 GMT
#283
If I could substantiate them there'd be substantiations in thread yo.

Besides not so many reads just stuff. You weren't (aren't? unsure) playing how I'm used to but I can dismiss that if I need to. Was about the best I had. My shots at onegu are strictly based on teh player i have no idea his current alignment.

Massive walls of text full of dumb videos is either rayn territory or scum usually so I'm flaming gumshoe.

MEANWHILE I have no actual idea who is scum so I'm making sure people don't decide to lurker lynch me
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 18:58 GMT
#286
Well I don't have a nice blue role this game to claim and be conftown but w/e. This is more or less my day 1
I promise I'm developing reads and thinking about the game, just not at a rate that provides anything interesting to town right now. I try to gather data with a more or less null read on everybody so as to be objective, then study the data once I feel like its enough for a "read".
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:01 GMT
#303
OO's awful paranoid or something.

Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard.

Thoughts?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#308
you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:25 GMT
#311
You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:31 GMT
#314
My stance is: "why is OO playing so worried? I smell implied guilt" lol

Your response is painful.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 04 2013 20:38 GMT
#317
Iunno i'll let the rest of the thread judge ur actions for themselves. Think I would lynch you though if I had to choose right now lol. Might just be blinded by omgus we'll see.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 16:09 GMT
#574
I need somebody to sheep, but sheeping rayn would murder my pride.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 16:43 GMT
#575
Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something.

I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit.

OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today.

Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 17:36 GMT
#578
Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays.

I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town.

I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now.

Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 17:37 GMT
#579
##Vote: Onegu

I'm around from now till deadline though so my vote can move if we need to get a majority somewhere.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 17:50 GMT
#583
EXCEPT in frustration. Which is what I said.

Onegu didnt read like he was frustrated so much to me iunno. I'll give you that it sounded different when I read it again in his filter.

At least thrawns here I can sheep somebody.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:08 GMT
#586
He doesn't know who to lynch, so he's tossing out names that seem pretty null to him (Umasi) in the hopes that somebody who isn't stuck browsing by phone will find something incriminating and help town consolidate nicely onto (hopefully) scum.

Thats what WoS is doing.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:22 GMT
#595
I wish people would actually read page 16 iunno. OO "develops" a scum read on me when I point out that he over-justifies himself and is incredibly worried about his in-thread image, then simply shouts from the rooftops that I'm scum. If you read the interaction, I press a few of OO's buttons and he CANT let it go, as if any hint that he might not be the purest of town is a travesty that must be crushed. It still doesn't add up to me. Not much later, Thrawn points out that all OO's points imply I'm town, something to which there has yet to be any refutation, but somehow im still on everybody's scum radar because I cant post 24hrs a day and OO can say "Sn0 scum" every other post.

Get real.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:38 GMT
#603
oh u were talking to hzflank not OO w/e
On November 05 2013 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:49 hzflank wrote:
On November 05 2013 08:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hey hzflank, what do you think about sn0's play so far? Disregard the specifics of who said what or who accused who of what, I want you to casually read his filter and describe to me his tone, attitude, etc.


When I read him earlier, his tone was very fun. His attitude was casual, dare I say he seemed to be enjoying the game. At times you might think he has a idgaf attitude, but then he makes a few posts and you reseal that he is in fact invested in the current game.


This is almost exactly what I've been thinking. Don't all of these things hint of green and not red? How do you reconcile his general townie behavior with the things you think he's done that are scummy?

Page 17 shortly after OO loses it and flank feels the need to sheep OO.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:44 GMT
#608
Of interest, Onegu is extremely comfortable with bussing and being bussed (you would know ET). But since its majority lynch its fairly obvious there is enough opposition to his lynch right now.

##Unvote
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:49 GMT
#610
I don't like a no-lynch today.

1) I need to see who votes for what wagon when people flip. Thats integral to how I find scum.
2) I find it hard to believe that scum won't manage to get 1 blue vig off before we get to elect blues again anyway, in which case we still only get 2.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:51 GMT
#611
PS of course we aren't lynching me I've
A) never rolled scum
B) only been mislynched once. At lylo. Due to rayn being rayn and onegu being fucking op as scum.

Day 1s are always awful for me tho since how the hell should I know who scum is?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:56 GMT
#615
I've replaced into a newbie onto a scumteam that had mass scumclaimed d1 to unsuccessfully stop a d1 scum lynch :D

I was also literally the only person to post in teh scum qt post sub-in I think.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 18:59 GMT
#616
Holy shit we r all high templars :O

Silly cephiro get ur disgusting devourer pic off our page.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 19:01 GMT
#618
I coulda sworn rayn unvoted
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 19:05 GMT
#622
If ur gonna quote huge stuff like that in its entirety for no reason, at least spoiler it pls

How many times have I mislynched you Umasi? Only one?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 19:07 GMT
#623
On November 06 2013 04:05 EchelonTee wrote:
no, rayn has not posted anything since I came back to thread

huh ur right
oops im wrong
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 19:58 GMT
#637
here why?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 20:00 GMT
#639
I'm around till at least lynch. I can vote flank over a no lynch for sure.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 20:01 GMT
#640
its not instant majority
its just majority.

theres nobody here to bother u and ET are prolly both town and umasi fucked off (plus I've mislynched that guy before he's never useful so its hard for me to call him scum based on being crap).

I wanted to sheep u but ur like "well lets vote this guy but i'm like 100% unsure on him" cant u find me scum?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 20:21 GMT
#643
What about cephiro thrawn?

I read Syl and he seemed genuine, nothing that would make me think he's scum. He isn't right about ET I don't think but that certainly isn't a scumtell.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 20:37 GMT
#648
Could lynch vanesco, my only concern being getting 7 people to go on him. seems like this game is full of people who won't be around near deadline which is a huge issue in majority games
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 21:11 GMT
#651
Really? o.o

research time
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 21:15 GMT
#652
Ur not even lying interesting.

I thought I remembered lynching you oh well.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 21:22 GMT
#653
In the interest of not no-lynching,
##Vote: Hzflank

Need 3 more votes to lynch. I do not believe that a no-lynch benefits town and as such PLEASE VOTE PEOPLE.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 21:39 GMT
#661
On November 06 2013 06:38 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 06:32 hzflank wrote:
On November 06 2013 06:26 Umasi wrote:
idk, the last post by hzflank does not look scummy though, he asserts that he doesn't want to vote ET, and he backs off on me..
kinda like, a lack of self preservation


Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking.

For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change.

As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch.

People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended


But there isn't someone else that'll gain enough traction in time, that's my issue. It's not that I think you're scum, you just aren't town enough to warrant a no-lynch.

Bingo
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 21:58 GMT
#697
##Unvote
##Vote: Gumshoe
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 21:58 GMT
#699
1 more or something
lol
this is awful
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 21:59 GMT
#704
"Pretend"
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 22:02 GMT
#710
wat a shocker team

ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 22:04 GMT
#716
Lets hope hzflank DOES SOMETHING TODAY.

Also I'm back to my pre-game comments. This setup's wildly scum favoured lol.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2013 22:07 GMT
#721
Why do you feel the need to call him town? All I asked was that he contribute
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 06 2013 15:55 GMT
#852
I voted for hzflank and later gumshoe explicitly to prevent a no-lynch. This was explained in thread.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 06 2013 19:42 GMT
#869
Im around but I'm (as you can see) not posting much atm. This game is disheartening considering I'm somehow "scummy" and pointing out things that others do when I consider them scummy somehow is an excuse for OO to be an insulting asshole.

I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm.

ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him.

Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too.

Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think.

Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO.

WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc).

Thats like everybody relevant I think.

I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 06 2013 19:58 GMT
#871
I've read every post in the thread.

I might not recall the exact details of most of them since theres a lot of dumb cases floating around on various people. Rayn's play seems fine to me.
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#872
Maybe its just my personal preference but this style endears him to me much more than the way he used to play. So i'm giving him credit for that. Him hard-tunnelling onto somebody I consider town is nothing new.
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#874
See? Thrawn gets it...
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#876
Did u read hogwarts WoS?
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#880
This feels like rayn from the end of that game to me. Or close enough that I'm giving him a pass for now. I always give rayn a hard look at mid-game, which is still the plan, but at the start like this I disagree that he looks scummy.
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#886
? seems legit to me.

Thrawn goes "OO's playing weird as fuck. I've never seen anything like this"
Then he goes "Wait, I *have* seen this before. Who was it... Oh yeah Dandel did this in BEMMII" (I (sn0) casually read that game myself btw)
Then he's like "Well the only time i've ever seen this was when dandel was doing it as scum so it seems like scum to me".

Thats how I saw it at least. Plus or minus my points about him being over defensive for no reason and playing with a mindset that I can only see as scummy.
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#893
o.o

Well can't say I'm terribly sad.

Wat happened to ET tho?
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#896
R U scum?
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#899
Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything.

I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant.

Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK
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#900
EBWOP was @hopeless
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#990
If a voted-blue dies to the blue-vig ability, do they flip green or blue?
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#991
In other news the arguments against Onegu are reasonable.
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#993
Dammit, I thought I remembered something like that but I perused the OP and all I saw was "This is question font" in green and bold, as well as "Feel free to ask a question at any time" in nice blue bold modfont. Didn't think it would be in the Q+A (which I did read at one point). BRB pming u.
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#994
Errybody's afk or something.

It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him).

I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many.

Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum).
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#996
Well scum have 2, also the silver bullet resolves at the end of the "Phase" which means if fired at night it resolves with the daypost (as we saw).

Discussing who voted for OO is pretty safe IMO, since scum know if he was blue or if he died to their NK anyway. Admittedly if they NK'd him they don't know if he was blue. Okay maybe we talk about it after this lynch?
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#998
I like the points against onegu, Syl's vote was WTF, my current biggest concern is that you are still alive. While I agree with (almost) all the things you say you being alive is giving me misgivings because I would have expected you to die.

Which is why I'm trying to figure out what happened last night since if OO was a blue shot then I can believe that you were targetted but saved for example. That would give me more confidence in your reads. Vets who push a mislynch D1 then go "WHOAH COMPLETE 180 ON MY READS GUYS" and are still alive D2 smell funny to me. I agree with your points but hnnnnng smells funny. So I'm looking for certainty there.

There are 2 1-shot witch hunters read the OP lol.
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#1000
Barring shenannies I usually expect my strongest townread to die every night. When they dont, (and instead its somebody I thought was pretty scummy) Alarm bells go off. I must not be thinking this game right. My solution to that would be if OO was a blue shot, then my reads can still be somewhat reasonable.

W/e, discussing it with u isn't helping I don't think.
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#1002
Hi Kosheep

Hue
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#1007
You were like 15 mins from getting lynched day 1 until a MASSIVE rush-switch onto gumshoe. Mostly because people didn't really have excellent reasons to vote you but it was majority lynch so we needed to vote somebody

Theres definitely still suspicion in ur camp.
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#1011
Koshi if u tell us who ur scumbuddies r we promise to lynch u last.
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#1016
ET did that replace thing. Its Hopeles1der now.
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#1115
On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
In other news:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 00:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
If a voted-blue dies to the blue-vig ability, do they flip green or blue?

This raised the hackles on the back of my neck. The best part about this is I could 100% see scum asking this question. No it's not entirely alignment indicative, but it makes MORE sense to me for scum to purposefully write it in the thread to use a mod-question to game people into thinking they are town for whatever reason, ESPECIALLY if he KNEW his question was not going to be answered in thread. A lot of that is conjecture but it's simply how I feel. Make of it what you will.

Welcome to "WoS makes up shit", part 1. A) it was answered in thread B) Hows it make more sense for scum to ask a question that they know the answer to than for town to ask a question when they, you know, have a question?
WoS knows he's full of shit so he's already backing off this post before he finishes writing it, but he feels the need to post it anyway.
On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Errybody's afk or something.

It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him).

I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many.

Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum).

This reads like scum fishing for witchcraft vote analysis, when I'm pretty sure nobody wanted to claim votes this early. (or at all?)
Why in all that is holy would town Sn0's first assumption be that he was hit by a witchcraft bullet and that scum have spent it this early in the game? Not only did OO look increasingly less towny as the game progressed (in my opinion) but to also assume that most of the rest of town would have assumed he WAS towny enough to receive some high number of votes AND that scum would have assumed he would be a good shot for that reason is absolutely ridiculous.

WoS makes up shit, part 2.
1) It is absolutely not witchraft vote analysis. OO is dead and as such knowing if he was blue or not can't hurt town (the old blues have no powers by now anyway). I merely am trying to ascertain which bullet killed WoS.
It was absolutely not my "first assumption" you are just trying to paint me scummy. I am trying to SOLVE THE GAME (a worthwhile pursuit last I heard) and one of the open questionmarks is how and why OO died. I made absolutely NO assumptions regarding OO's vote total, how scum percieved him, etc. Basically you are completely and utterly misrepresenting me. I merely was considering getting more info so that I could make EDUCATED guesses regarding how he died. All your points that suggest he may not have been a silver bullet shot ALSO suggest he wasn't a normal KP so what gives? Thats what I want to know. I think its more likely he was a Silver Bullet than a KP for the reasons given.
On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
I like the points against onegu, Syl's vote was WTF, my current biggest concern is that you are still alive. While I agree with (almost) all the things you say you being alive is giving me misgivings because I would have expected you to die.

Which is why I'm trying to figure out what happened last night since if OO was a blue shot then I can believe that you were targetted but saved for example. That would give me more confidence in your reads. Vets who push a mislynch D1 then go "WHOAH COMPLETE 180 ON MY READS GUYS" and are still alive D2 smell funny to me. I agree with your points but hnnnnng smells funny. So I'm looking for certainty there.

There are 2 1-shot witch hunters read the OP lol.

thrawn pointed this out already, but to be pointing out suspicions that someone is still alive after D1?! Shit spreading. Classic mafia tactic.

Apologies for being transparent and sharing my thoughts and concerns. My post explicitly states that "I'm looking for certainty" not "zomg thrawn scum lynch!11!11One".
On November 08 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
I hereby regret saving Sn0 yesterday and it appears we are now back where we started; the D2 lynch will probably amount to either Onegu or Sn0 in my eyes.

Grats.

@Thread: apologies this is kinda long. Blame WoS.
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#1117
PS: If you think about how this game works it makes the most sense for scum to fire off AT LEAST 1 silver bullet the first night when there are 3 blue roles. Not only does this get you ahead early and hopefully give you thread control, but it also has pretty damn good chances of hitting a blue compared to when there is only 2 or 1 (and 1 comes pretty soon). Plus the more KP scum gets out early the less blues there are in the following days due to how the witchraft voting works.

It is also optimal for scum to shoot during the night since their shots resolve at phase-end (aka same day/night as the shot) which means any investigative role will not be able to reveal results. So I EXPECTED multiple deaths N1.
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#1125
I just explained why scum ought to be shooting off at least one silver bullet N1. Your explanation reads: "Please town, don't figure out the game".

See, you say he's a bad NK. We agree. Thats why I think he wasn't the NK. But you won't entertain that.

How the hell would I know who scum is? I never do lol. Currently on the "sheep thrawn" plan (hence my semi-paranoid fears regarding him). Next up is the LYNCH YOU plan cuz not only is this nothing like Town!WoS, you also are actively stomping on my perfectly reasonable discussion and flinging shit at me in the exact manner you accused me of doing to others.
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#1126
Yo Umasi I'm currently of the belief that cephiro is NOT scum.

Also this is a majority lynch so... thats just fucking town throwing ur vote away like that.
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#1128
EBWOP:
On November 09 2013 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
I just explained why scum ought to be shooting off at least one silver bullet N1. Your explanation reads: "Please town, don't figure out the game".

See, you say he's a bad NK. We agree. Thats why I think he wasn't the NK. But you won't entertain that.

How the hell would I know who scum is? I never do lol. Currently on the "sheep thrawn" plan (hence my semi-paranoid fears regarding him). Next up is the LYNCH YOU plan cuz not only is this nothing like Town!WoS, you also are actively stomping on my perfectly reasonable discussion and flinging shit at me in the exact manner you accused me of doing to others.


Was @ WoS's post on the last page not on this page
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#1130
I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.

I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time.
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#1136
Well you aren't reading.

I say he does it as both alignments.

I've played with onegu as town and scum multiple times. He plays very similarly as both alignments and he's always the last scum to die. I've lost to his scum. If other people think he is scum, I am going to lend weight to their arguments because I have no reason to believe otherwise.
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#1138
On November 09 2013 01:17 Onegu wrote:
Sn0 why would scum not wait for more info to take a shot, it doesnt make any sense.

Cuz they don't get more info. But they DO get less targets. And they deny themselves the chance to cut town's blue roles down almost instantly.
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#1148
On November 09 2013 01:24 Umasi wrote:
regarding cephiro, he sure as shit is more likely to be lynched than vanesco. I will be able to change my vote before the lynch, so I'll do that in some number of hours if it is required of me.
baby steps.
afk for class

I'd lynch vanesco before ceph atm.
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#1153
I still feel like scum shouldn't have a hard time establishing who is blue and blasting them N1 and that that is optimal play for them. Whatever.
I can accept that it didn't happen but I'm not going to just "believe" it.

You know, deciphering whether OO was blue shouldn't be that goddamn hard for town. just "I voted OO' or "I didn't vote OO" doesn't tell scum enough for them to shoot IMO. Whatever. Its too late for this to be relevant I suppose.

WoS u got any reasons for Umasi to be scum? This is just like his other badtown games :/
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#1154
how come everybody's scum this game?

WoS/Vanesco/Onegu/Hopeless play townier.
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November 08 2013 17:18 GMT
#1182
Rayn he's now using the "Onegu suxors as town therefore this game he must be town since his hogwarts play was so good and he was scum there" defense. Dislike.
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#1183
Oh u ninjad me
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#1187
Onegu's like kush, when he's right about who scum is it mean's he's in their QT.

Okay that isn't fair.

Still think we lynch him today. (I'm around from now till lynch btw).
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#1189
On November 09 2013 02:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm on lunch right now, will be back in an hour-ish.
I just wrote up a huge rage-fueled thing at Sn0's last post but I won't bother.
Sn0, you're terrible.

I'm now really interested to see your flip because we've never rubbed each other the wrong way like this before as town buddies, so I'm wondering if you are scum or else what gives?
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#1194
##Vote Onegu

Again, I'm around till lynch.
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#1196
Onegu's actually crafted a remarkably transparent narrative of his reads. That isn't a town tell for him though :/
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#1199
I think ur deliberately misrepresenting onegu or something lol.
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#1200
Oh nvm then ur post faster than mine
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#1202
u ebwoped we gud
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#1243
Umasi doesn't even sound stressed or mad that he's getting lynched...
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#1249
On November 09 2013 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 04:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Umasi doesn't even sound stressed or mad that he's getting lynched...

That's because he's not....?

Not getting lynched or not stressed?

Considering how cephiro played it YESTERDAY and how he's 1 vote from getting a majority, Onegu's lynch seems like the most likely course of action today. So I'd say he ought to be playing as if he's getting lynched (Which tbh seems like what he is doing).

If you meant he isn't stressed/mad, well then thats what I'm saying is weird. I get stressed/mad as town when practically anybody votes me, much less when I'm a serious wagon. Mad at people for thinking I'm not town when I am (and to myself its obvious), and stressed because I desperately don't want to be mislynched since I KNOW thats bad for town.
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November 08 2013 19:54 GMT
#1265
This is messed up o.o

wheres ceph he ain't voted today

I officially dislike majority lynch I think (maybe instant majority?)
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#1273
Onegu literally can't flip red now since he'd get modkilled for self-hammer I think... :/
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#1274
Well not modkilled but banned or w/e
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#1277
u hvaent voted ceph lol
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#1279
Oh wait somehow I thought the lynch was now not in 2 hours.

NVM.

Don't think in a majority vote game there is much reason to self-hammer but iunno.
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#1283
Wat? No. I said that becaquse I thought the lynch was in like 1 min.

I sure ain't un-hammering Onegu.
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#1288
Yeah sorry I meant like when there was 5 mins left he just self hammers instead of living another day.

I can deal with "Gotta ditch, know i'm dead, hope to stifle or confuse town with this".
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#1298
Yeah, we require additional pylonsvotes!
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#1301
Oh dear our co-host is scumclaiming
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#1302
Well onegu successfully stifled discussion I suppose.
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#1307
Onegu has sleep issues o.o
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#1404
If rayn got roleblocked n1 doesn't that mean we all claim witchcraft votes and we know who scum is? iunno

I voted
Thrawn
rayn
echelontee

Asking me to come play is retarded. When I have time to read the thread I read and post.
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#1406
Anyway I caught up but sleep time. Don't have the time right now to properly put together coherent reads.
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#1436
Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum.

##Vote: Vanesco
I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc.
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#1593
Oh hey we lynched scum

D2 i voted ceph/umasi
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#1685
Hmmm.

So with 7 alive, and considering the game thus far, there are 3 people who could be scum, and 2 scum.

Koshi/Syl/Hopeless are the options. I have a green pm, umasi has a green check (lel), rayn and thrawn aren't scum.

A cursory glance at the voting yesterday inclines me to lynch Syl and Hopeless (Koshi was on the vanesco train in decent time, Hopeless was the DEAD LAST vote long after the lynch was secured, Syl was off in lala land).

Of note, town literally cannot lose if we do not lynch me (assuming nobody pops up dead from silver bullets... fingers crossed). My fear then is that I'm getting lynched. At which point I feel we still have a decent shot but now we are rolling the dice.

So I'll lynch any of Hopeless/Syl/Koshi based on that. I'll look at them a bit more in depth now. I am around and will be posting up-to and thru the night end. If somebody dies from silver bullet tonight we enter tomorrow at MYLO. So a no-lynch would actually be in order. That is awkward because all we lose is conftown...
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November 12 2013 16:12 GMT
#1689
?
If I were scum Sn0 I'd be screaming for rayn's blood not cutting him off from my lynch options for today lol.
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#1691
Oh dear I forgot theres an NK coming.

NVM game harder

Theres still only 3 people that can be scum though so we still got this
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November 12 2013 16:14 GMT
#1692
Its not lylo its mylo koshi
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
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November 12 2013 16:45 GMT
#1697
On November 13 2013 01:15 Koshi wrote:
I don't know the difference.

The difference is IF scum NK goes through tonight THEN we are at 4:2 and do NOT have to lynch. We can no-lynch, lose another townie, and have a 3:2 the next day where hypothetically guessing scum is easier. Admittedly you lose all the good townies in that situation but generally it does make it easier.

MYLO= Mislynch you lose aka a no-lynch is fine
LYLO= Lynch or you lose aka you gotta hit scum boys.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 16:56 GMT
#1703
Can u stop defending Syl? Ur giving me the squirms.

I want to lynch hopeless anyway right now.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 17:22 GMT
#1720
I'm rereading entire thread. And its making me want to re-think my acceptance of rayn's claim.

Not that I'm thinking he's scum but posts like
On November 05 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO and thrawn look the worst atm.
Sylencia i don't think Vanesco is scum.

put a seed of doubt in me.

YES IT WAS EARLY D1 but to be so utterly wrong... (there was a bit more vanesco buddying too)
Now I gotta figure out if the night actions could possibly involve scum rayn. Intuition says no still.

For now I'm believing rayns claim but when I get to the night-action claims I'll be re-examining I think.

For those who are gonna flame me for shit-flinging without a case or vote: Don't care what you say. I'm re-reading and posting what I find. When I get to the end I hope to have figured out at least 1 scum for sure. As far as I'm concerned the rayn claim is central to that because it solves 2 people.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 17:29 GMT
#1723
I thought umasi tracked some1 (syl maybe?) and got nothing, and rayn checked umasi?
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 19:19 GMT
#1734
Hmmm, so far EITHER rayn OR ET (now hopeless) are scum. I'm leaning towards ET. He had a few posts that made me think he's town but he buddied vanesco (sharing his reads etc) while still distancing with reads like "null to slightly scummy". Plus he was a key OO scumread (OO disliked him and vanesco, as well as me and ceph).

He spent the early game pushing thrawn really hard (with vanesco helping), had a big case post followed by "come at me if u dislike my case" kind of bluff. Rayn wrote a case on HIM in return and ET said "Fine fine my case is shit. That doesn't make me scum lol". -_-. He was pretty adamant that the people he would lynch were me and thrawn, and that people voting others were wasting their votes. But he slid onto the Hzflank and later gumshoe lynches pretty smoothly. I'm at the start of D2 and rayn and thrawn both have big scumreads on ET which is helping.

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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 19:35 GMT
#1735
Independent of anything rayn says or does, Umasi is pretty solidly town to me due to posts like
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 08 2013 11:23 Umasi wrote:
so I think that onegu is town, purely by feel, and would rather see votes on other people. I had a good feeling about hz at the end of d1, but since then it's been *shrug*, will keep relatively close track of koshi.
Kinda leery of hopeless/et atm, but not that much.
Not sure about rayn, but there are other people I prefer to lynch.
I have sylencia as town still, but I've kind of slept on him for a while.
I still like a vanesco lynch, can we lynch him?
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 17:18 Vanesco wrote:
After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion.

Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man.

For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time.

The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning.

He says that he thinks both sno and I are scummy, but doesn't pursue it at all, he just addresses why thrawn ISN'T listed. feels like he was throwing something out there to throw something out there.
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 17:27 Vanesco wrote:
I'm also disliking all of this meta talk. While meta is good as a guideline I think people are going to much in this line of talk "well since he plays like this and this game he is playing slightly differently then he obviously must be the opposite role he was last game". Some meta talk is fine but some pages are just filled with mostly meta talk. What about some game related topics like the votes, OO's death at night and any suspicions he had on people and any people he put in the town zone. It seems many people are ignoring these greatly and if we do so then it puts town almost back into the same position as it was in day 1 with some extra reads and 2 townies dead.

'I dislike meta talk'
proceeds to talk about meta
##vote: vanesco



This was long before vanesco had a chance at being lynched and while scum can definitely bus, I just don't see this coming from scum!Umasi. Too many other easy targets, and ALL his posts feel far too genuine.

So even if I doubt rayn, Umasi still town.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 19:43 GMT
#1737
Shameless self-plug
On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote:
This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target?

So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill.

OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO.

##Vote: Sn0_Man


Early D2. Hopeless jumped on not much later.
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November 12 2013 19:44 GMT
#1738
On November 13 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote:
Will you be here around deadline snow?

I'm here for the next 3 hours, so past deadline yes
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 19:52 GMT
#1740
Still reading buuuuuut I'm not leaning scum on Syl right now. All his posts so forgettable or something

I'm pretty much ignoring your post re: koshi till daytime.

AFAIK one of syl and koshi are scum, along with one of rayn and ET/Hopeless though. Right now I'm thinking hopeless as mentioned above but that could easily be confirmation bias. Rayn's play this game pretty disgusting if town. Considering he's claiming to be playing "for end-game cred" he's been CONSISTENTLY wrong so far about essentially everything (approaching d2 lynch). Except Umasi town, he's right about that lel.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 20:08 GMT
#1746
I skimmed d3 earlier.

I'm properly reading it now.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 20:27 GMT
#1750
Yeah u changed avatar now we can't be Templar friends

I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game).

Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not...

How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 20:49 GMT
#1752
He's not such an enigma he just hardly registered when you read his posts. Umasi's the same only his posts are calling for a vanesco lynch consistently from day 1 (contrary to every other person in the thread) so that sticks out as vanesco's the only flipped scum.

How does "If i could suicide without getting banned for it" count as genuine? Because scum would never say something like that safe and secure in the knowledge that it can't happen... owait.

See, I'd probably be glad to do the same (depending on the results of tonights actions since we may still have a mislynch available to us in which case me suiciding isn't smart at all). Wheres my free towncred?

I don't even get how when hopeless subbed in he was your prime scumread (start of d2), then he hasn't posted anything at all that could be construed as scumhunting (the best he's got is SHEEPING VANESCO and voting me), and now he is "probably not scum". If you read hopeless filter (nice and short) all it is is a bunch of berating town ("WoS gg post so bad omg" etc plus "well towns fucking terrible too bad oh well you cant blame me since nobody else is trying I dont have to either"). He threw suspicion at Ceph and Umasi (town X2) before the vanesco flip. His filter is just garbage. Yet somehow he's townier than me.

Meanwhile I've been the only person Vanesco was seriously willing to call scum for practically the entire game, clearly that makes me scum.

You'll notice in Hogwarts where i was confirmed town the entire game I still couldn't nail down scum until I was NK'd. I'm just not good at that shit.

Anyway i'll read just syl so that I can actually focus on his posts or somethign.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 20:55 GMT
#1754
Thoughts on a player changing = obvscum. This from the single most flip-flopping player in the thread (ur reads on essentially every player have 180'd at least once). Note how I'm not calling you scum for it. b

Yo yesterday syl seemed like a good lynch.

Today I reread the entire fuckign thread and syl simply wasn't obvious when I mentioned I was focusing on rayn and hopeless/et (as well as vanesco since he flipped scum).
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 21:09 GMT
#1757
On November 13 2013 05:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but how do you "forget" about your main d3 scumread? when you say his posts are forgettable you're implying that you cant really remember what he's said. how could you have had a scumread on him during D3 if you've been ignoring him?

I had scumreads d3? this is news to me. I barely managed to skim the thread lol. When I wrote that post I thought that syl was probably a better lynch than vanesco, based on skim.
On November 13 2013 06:00 Koshi wrote:
Snowman, how do you feel about rayn as scum giving us a "free" townread in Umasi.

Seems like a reasonable play as either alignment considering Umasi's obviously town... I considered how it would reflect on rayn and I've decided it doesn't help read him at all.

In other news I read Syl and I don't see evidence for him being scum. I don't see any for him being town either though, its kinda messed up. Tunnelling Cephiro ALL GAME LONG seemed reasonable as either alignment. The swap onto "RAYN AND THRAWN SCUM HUEHUEHUE" seems equally dumb as either alignment. This games dum.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 21:59 GMT
#1766
I'm not sure what you are saying. All I'm saying is that if I were scum I don't think it would be possible to push an Umasi mislynch because even cursory examination of his filter exonerates him (despite him playing the kinda lurky blendy game that keeps him below mention most of the time) due to his interactions with vanesco and overall genuine tone. So I fail to see how scum!rayn (who would have to fake his night action) faking that he checked Umasi and got town is something that couldn't happen. That is to say, if I'm rayn and scum and get elected n2 and need to fake an action, green checking Umasi may not be my first choice but I think its within the realm of reasonable.

I'm not calling rayn scum for it. Its a purely null point to me.

I'm still not calling rayn scum at all. But he isn't at conftown to me. Close, but not there.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#1776
Well koshi was indeed town.

People seem to disagree, but at 4:2 the correct play here is to no-lynch. Barring that, Koshi's death means that syl and hopeless are both almost certainly scum.

Last night's blue role CAN SAFELY CLAIM NOW since dying to silver bullet merely removes our no-lynch option, which is IMO worth less than a check would be. Plus you will be alive all day today and have a lynch vote.

If the blue role claims, no-lynch is no longer an option. Actually, no-lynch seems scary now that I think about a blue-vig possibility.

OK. no no-lynch after all.

##Vote: Hopeless1der
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#1777
okay guys a) none of you can justify a scumread on me beyond "hasn't caught scum" whereas i'm provably town (read vanesco).

We lose if you lynch me.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:11 GMT
#1779
PS Theres 0 fucking way koshi is shot if i'm scum I think.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:15 GMT
#1781
Every post i've made has been legit. Nobody reads them though because you all have scumreads on me for no fucking reason. The fact that I haven't solved the game 100% is PROOF IM FUCKING TOWN since we are at MYLO if i'm scum I just ahve to commit to 1 mislynch and win.

READ

VANESCO

PLEASE

PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:28 GMT
#1785
I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there.

Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination.

Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1, doing my best to discuss onegu day 2, actually voting for scum d3, etc...

You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:29 GMT
#1786
PS by scum whispering that I mean Onegu and ET/Hopeless unless that isn't clear.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:30 GMT
#1787
Next game imma rng all my reads since making no sense is a clear towntell these days based on syl.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:33 GMT
#1789
On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him.

Sounds like ur back to making shit up
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:39 GMT
#1793
We have 48 hours. I'm content with "no longer 3 instavotes on me". Thats how you lose mafia in a hurry.

Dear hopeless: Who is scum? If it includes me, who else? will you at least consider voting the other person instead of me? If not, why not?
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 22:55 GMT
#1801
Problem is i literally just vomited my entire mind after re-reading virtually every post in the thread. I'm quite contributed out.

I've laid out everything I have. I'll check in and toss my comments but realistically I've said all I can say.
I am not scum.
Thrawn is not scum.
Rayn is very unlikely to be scum.
Umasi is not scum.
Hopeless is scum by PoE and since him and vanesco were pushing the exact same agenda for 2 days running. When asked about vanesco et called him "null or very slightly scummy" despite having exactly the same reads. Hopeless continued to sheep vanesco.
Syl is scum mostly by PoE since he hasn't managed to even push a scum agenda, just be utterly useless. "Lynch cephiro" -> ceph flips town. "OH jk lynch rayn and thrawn".... yeah.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 23:01 GMT
#1803
On November 09 2013 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 10:03 Sylencia wrote:
You guys are idiots

Oh hell the fuck no. This guys dead tomorrow
Sn0 can have another day.


Posts like this bother me
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 12 2013 23:01 GMT
#1804
EBWOP: as in, not sure that feels like a scumbuddy interaction... :/
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 15:13 GMT
#1861
I'm absolutely open to lynching Syl or Hopeless it makes no difference to me. I voted hopeless originally because he was the one I figured was more likely to get lynched, and the one I had some amount of "dirt" on.

I'm around from now to the "day-line" (obviously not the deadline) but I remain unsure what brilliant new revelation I can bring beyond "hopeless/syl scumteam".
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 16:23 GMT
#1863
His case amounts to "I can write Sn0's name in big red letters that guy must be scum.

Everything else is drivel.
"Oh Sn0 wanted to lynch Syl over vanesco" guess what syl is scum
"Oh Sn0 got Onegu lynched" yeah sure whatever floats your boat. I offered meta reference. Onegu played scummy. Hopeless deliberately misconstrues me and uses emotionally charged language in an attempt to squelch logic regarding why Onegu actually died.
"Sn0 figures the D1 NK may have been a silver bullet" obviously this is a clear scumtell thank you for pointing this out Hopeless no town would ever consider such a thing. Trying to figure out the game is how i play tyvm.
"Sn0 gave me shit when I replaced in" please excuse me for poking people in a mafia game to see how they react.
"Sn0 dropped his scumread on Syl day 4" well somebody didn't read day 4 at all
Hopeless also attempts to garner towncred in the middle of this for last-voting onto vanesco after he's already been hammered for a while without any chance of any other lynch.
And feels the need to jump on me messing up names (onegu instead of vanesco watever).

Ok thats his whole case boiled down and somewhat in order (excepting the first point).
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 18:14 GMT
#1869
On November 14 2013 02:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you?


i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out

Hows this gonna work lol our votes are pretty much secured already. Regardless of alignment both of us *must* construe the other one as scum. Whether we lynch Syl first or not is irrelevant.

We can't "work it out" we simply have to hope you believe us. There is no world where me and hopeless can end up agreeing (except about lynching syl, which I kinda wonder why we aren't doing tbh). I'm town so I'd assume you'd believe me but I suppose there is a world where hopeless manages to be more persuasive than me.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 18:27 GMT
#1872
I'm still annoyed that our blue hasn't claimed yet. Yes if scum still have shots you die at the end of the day but since we can't no-lynch anyway for fear of exactly that there is nothing lost.

I assume that said blue has nothing of value to share but WHY NOT?
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 18:29 GMT
#1874
that was the logic in my post yes.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 18:37 GMT
#1882
spamspamspam

I aint got shit to say lol.

Wats the matter with my defense? Its hard to write intelligent stuff when his case is that bad. Like how do I address this:

On November 13 2013 12:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Sn0
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him.

Sounds like ur back to making shit up

Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!"

He literally makes up shit (that somehow I think syl is scummier than him which is patently false), I call him on it, and his response is "What did i make up?"...

I was going with "anybody who read that shit would insta lock on hopeless no way he's town"
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 18:37 GMT
#1883
On November 14 2013 03:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
sn0's defense to a 'not very good' case should be more substantial than giving you a repeat feel of 'not very good', dont you tihink?

"My case is shit but Sn0 can't respond to points that DONT EXIST hes obviously scum"
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 18:45 GMT
#1885
"back to" is the least relevant part of that. now ur admitting you made shit up but I'm supposed to look bad because I imply you did it more than once... This is getting dumb.

Regardless,
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2013 14:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 13:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 10 2013 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
man wtf is this game....I still want sylencia to tell me what his read of me is, and why the fuck he thinks its his job to berate town for lynching onegu when he did nothing to prevent it or present an alternative.


What do you think sylencia's berating of town says about his alignment and why? Annnnnnd do you have anything else you want to talk about?

I dont remember where, or even who, though I think it was marv, but someone said that posts like syl's are almost always from scum. I also dont even remember why, I just saw that post and something clicked in my brain that said he's supposed to be scum for it.


May or not be made up but since i get flamed for "unsubstantiated" comments on Onegu's meta (despite playing like 3 games in a row with him) I can call this made up.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 20:32 GMT
#1888
From memory, he pushed vanesco all game and sounded incredibly genuine. Also I've played with him where he played quite similarly as town though I'll admit that isn't too valuable.
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November 13 2013 20:41 GMT
#1890
On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote:
On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works?

I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play.

I think it's scummy that I read this and I can't tell if you think Sylencia is scummy or not, when my first impression was 'he's acting accusatory' (with your first line) but then continue reading and can't actually determine if you just think his thoughts are bad or if he's scummy for his lack of ideas on the setup and for him not looking up a player list.
Also, asking us not to discuss strategy is blatantly scum agenda.
##Vote: Vanesco
Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside.


This is Umasi's first post of the game. I'd be VERY surprised if scum's plan from day 1 was to tunnel his scumbuddy from post 1 and never give up.
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Sn0_Man
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 20:42 GMT
#1891
I'll read more but like, thats the first post in his filter lol. The reasoning sounds legit, not invented scum stuff either.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 21:47 GMT
#1897
No lol. Too long or something.

I've never dropped my slight reservations with respect to rayn but he had enough townreads from others and enough opportunity to imo avert the vanesco lynch and to drive other mislynches (me lol) that I just find it so much more likely that hopeless and syl r scum.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 13 2013 21:48 GMT
#1898
EBWOP was @thrawn
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Sn0_Man
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 14 2013 14:29 GMT
#1969
My regular in thread appearance may be delayed today. I expect to be around no later than 3 hours till lynch though.

This is just a quick PSA. I'm not around now nor have I read to here.
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 14 2013 18:46 GMT
#1980
Hmmmm we lynching syl? I can do that as we know.

I told you I wasn't gonna be around till around now
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Tebellong44238 Posts
November 14 2013 18:52 GMT
#1982
##Unvote
##Vote: Sylencia

I am around till deadline. Vote changes that involve lynching hopeless are acceptable.
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