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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:17 GMT
#1191
No it doesn't. Especially since he never acted on them. Think about it. He listed him twice as scum and never pushed for it..
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:31 GMT
#1197
Please stop clogging the thread with Storr/Nyx arguments. Yall have argued quite enough already.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:36 GMT
#1199
Vonthin

Vonthin -> Poofter Interaction
- Calls him scum quite early on day 1, after Jonny's case on him. Then he leaves him off his "top2 scum reads" in favor of E00, who he had a noread on in the list.
- Calls july's vote on Poofter bad.. (because july just put it on cause he thought he wouldn't get lynched, good reasoning)
- After day1 calls Poofter scummy AGAIN in a list.
- Asks Storr directly about Poofter... doesn't seem to follow up on it, don't really know why he asked him because of that.
- Argues with jonny about how he pushed vanesco to push poofter.. (not reading too much there, worth looking at though but it was hard to follow)
- "Overdue thoughts on poofter" calls him scummy again, says hes willing to vote as last resort
- Switches to poofter LATE (IMO) after he sees OWB's case isn't gaining traction.
- Starts saying he isnt comfortable lynching poofter if he's not voting, unvotes him, and then when he does post he votes him again (initially i thought of this as a buss, will leave it up to you alls analysis, just consolidating info)
- Defends storr's hesitance on Poofter vote due to modkill fear...

Voting Patterns
D1: Votes E00, unvotes when it loses steam, votes July once it starts gaining traction. Interestingly, poofter's vote on E00 comes shortly after.
D2: Votes OWB, unvotes and votes poofter once OWB starts losing steam, unvotes and revotes OWB then unvotes and revotes poofter and leaves it there.

Poofter -> Vonthin Interaction
- Poofter calls vonthin out for being inactive "please post more so we can kill some scum"... interesting wording.. Doesn't seem to follow up on it.
- After voting OWB, says he would rather go on "vonthin/cake"... no reasoning
- Defends himself against vonthin who asked why he didnt vote for vonthin/cake over OWB when he admits he has no reasoning on OWB.
- Calls vonthin possible 3rd mafia in a johnny/cake pair, drops it and says OWB is the 3rd eventually before dying.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:38 GMT
#1200
On November 04 2013 14:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Balla24, could you make your case for Vonthin being scum? i think that would be helpful because owb has pushed for Vonthin in the past.


I've made it twice now. Not making a new case just yet.

Will link since my filter is freaking massive...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=37#735 Night1 case
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=47#940 Day2 case
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:39 GMT
#1201
Storr, I'm leaving the E00 post up to you. I'll make one if I feel like you did a bad job but I particularly want you to do it.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:43 GMT
#1202
Nyx. Take a step back from Storr please. I don't want to hear your case on him until lynch time. Look at other people. I'd like you to look specifically at: Vonthin/Odin...

Vonthin is easy, he has 4 pages of filter, and i've already listed all his interactions with poofter. See what you can make out of that. Analysis, ask yourself why he would do everything he does.

Odin is interesting because you say you have a town read on him... i'm not sold on Odin. See what you find in regards to him/poofter. If you want, make a list of interactions like I did for You/Vonthin/Owb... might be helpful.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:47 GMT
#1205
On November 04 2013 14:24 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
think about it, why would you list your friend as scum TWICE at all when no one would fault you for just reading something/someone else altogether


Just look at last game... GGtemplar called both SagaZ and I scummy MULTIPLE times throughout the game (starting on day1) which caused us to do the same about each other. I was saying SagaZ was scummy half the game.

It's good to throw red-herrings at the town as mafia. I've played mafia twice now and it's definitely a useful thing to do... it makes it VERY hard to make any sort of pairrings when people get caught.

I find it suspicious that he doesn't ACT on his "scum read" of him. Makes it seem faked.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:48 GMT
#1206
On November 04 2013 14:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i do not have a town read on Odin. i'd be willing to vote Odin, i just can't make a case for/against him since his posts and reads thus far have been confusing


Sorry, typo haha~.. I don't mind if you can't make a case for him. But please look into him... I just don't want you looking at storr. You're seriously tunnel visioning.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:49 GMT
#1207
Also, another note.. I'm not saying I don't see Storr as a possible scum. I just don't want YOU looking at him. You've made your suspicion of him very clear.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:07 GMT
#1209
StorrZerg

StorrZerg -> Poofter Interactions [Sorry, storrzerg's filter is pretty long so this will be quite general instead of detailed as the other ones were]
-Didn't consider him for most the game, but when he did, he decides he has a town read on him.
-Votes for him towards the end, has concerns about him not voting and getting modkilled (which seemed VERY genuine, since he actually asked the mods, unlike vonthin), unvotes and revotes similarly to vonthin but he semed like he thought he could turn the tides to OWB..
- During day2 he was mad that we were letting OWB slide while inactive but wasn't mentioning poofter as inactive till the end.. indirect interaction, do with it as you will.

Voting Patterns
D1: Pressure votes July and leaves it on for entire day.
D2: Starts with vote on nyx, doesn't think he can get traction and votes for OWB, votes poofter with no real reasoning but started to lose faith in an OWB vote... unvotes and goes for OWB again then finally leaves vote on poofter when he thought there was 1 minute left to secure a lynch.
[u]

Poofter -> Storr interactions
- immediately questions storr about early vote on July
- corrects Jonny by saying he is NOT sold on storr being town
- prods storr for his read on cakemanofdoom..
- displays hesitance to lynch storr based on "respect for his game" and scared that mafia would jump on the vote (Obzy and I had votes on him)
- nothing else significant until he defends himself against storr's questioning about July vote
- asks storr if he doesnt agree with him on Vanesco being killed because he was on the right track with jonny/cake
- notes that he has read storr as town for most of the game
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:09 GMT
#1210
On November 04 2013 14:59 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
fair enough on the Vonthin point. what are your thoughts on the Vonthin/owb pair being unlikely?


I agree with that. In fact, I would go so far as to say OWB and Vonthin are NOT a scum team 100%. However that doesn't help since we don't know which of them are scum yet. If we can rule out scum teams with poofter, that will help enormously, which is why i'm posting all these summaries of interactions.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:13 GMT
#1211
Also want to note: these summaries are probably very biased towards my reads and i might be unintentionally ignoring relevant pieces (i don't think I am, but I might be since I have preconceived notions), so use them with that little disclaimer. Basically, take them with a grain of salt unless you trust my skill and reads ^_^.

I am also letting Storr do E00s because: 1. I don't want him to continue tunneling on nyx. 2. I want to see if he comes up with what i come up with or if he leaves stuff out..
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:41 GMT
#1213
I want to correct a mistake I had in my Storr summary post:

At the point where Storr voted on poofter at his perceived last minute it was NOT hammering. I thought it was and was considering it as the most pro-town thing ever. Still is relatively pro-town as it prevents any mafia from switching off.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:42 GMT
#1214
On November 04 2013 15:37 StorrZerg wrote:
@balla24 will have to do it tomorrow. to exhausted for now to even read posts


That's fine. I'm gonna head to bed as well anyways.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 15:51 GMT
#1217
Let's see it.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 17:38 GMT
#1219
So why did you decide on OWB over Vonthin? Also, why did you ultimately leave your vote on OWB when you said you would check back in 30 minutes... poofter was getting a lot of votes, and it was pretty clear that OWB vote was NOT going through, the other 2 OWB voters switched to poofter....
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 17:59 GMT
#1220
Also, why did you not once raise suspicion about poofter? You of all people should have been the first to call him out on the following:

"Agrees with e00E that the voting pattern on e00E is bad and that lynching them would be too easy which reads town. Also likes e00E's new posts especially the accusation on July."

Poofter backed off of you because he was scared of how easy it was, then he goes on July... the easiest lynch we've had as town...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 18:13 GMT
#1221
The thing that worries me the most about you E00:

Poofter voted you 3rd in the bandwagon on day1. Everybody randomly switches off of you to July because July did something quite scummy. His reasoning though is that your vote is "too easy" and he switches to July, even though I was pointing out that July's vote was being "too easy" for me already. He goes from one easy target to another... why? He was getting really close to an E00 lynch... he had 5 people I think? I don't get that...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 18:16 GMT
#1222
I just don't get why scum would switch OFF of you when you were getting close to a lynch, with such shitty reasoning too.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 18:34 GMT
#1225
Hmm, that is interesting that he didn't go onto Odin instead of July... But I think July WAS the easy lynch, especially after his return to the thread.

It was hard to sell Odin as a lynch target, more so than July.
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