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Balla24
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Vonthin -> Poofter Interaction - Calls him scum quite early on day 1, after Jonny's case on him. Then he leaves him off his "top2 scum reads" in favor of E00, who he had a noread on in the list. - Calls july's vote on Poofter bad.. (because july just put it on cause he thought he wouldn't get lynched, good reasoning) - After day1 calls Poofter scummy AGAIN in a list. - Asks Storr directly about Poofter... doesn't seem to follow up on it, don't really know why he asked him because of that. - Argues with jonny about how he pushed vanesco to push poofter.. (not reading too much there, worth looking at though but it was hard to follow) - "Overdue thoughts on poofter" calls him scummy again, says hes willing to vote as last resort - Switches to poofter LATE (IMO) after he sees OWB's case isn't gaining traction. - Starts saying he isnt comfortable lynching poofter if he's not voting, unvotes him, and then when he does post he votes him again (initially i thought of this as a buss, will leave it up to you alls analysis, just consolidating info) - Defends storr's hesitance on Poofter vote due to modkill fear... Voting Patterns D1: Votes E00, unvotes when it loses steam, votes July once it starts gaining traction. Interestingly, poofter's vote on E00 comes shortly after. D2: Votes OWB, unvotes and votes poofter once OWB starts losing steam, unvotes and revotes OWB then unvotes and revotes poofter and leaves it there. Poofter -> Vonthin Interaction - Poofter calls vonthin out for being inactive "please post more so we can kill some scum"... interesting wording.. Doesn't seem to follow up on it. - After voting OWB, says he would rather go on "vonthin/cake"... no reasoning - Defends himself against vonthin who asked why he didnt vote for vonthin/cake over OWB when he admits he has no reasoning on OWB. - Calls vonthin possible 3rd mafia in a johnny/cake pair, drops it and says OWB is the 3rd eventually before dying. | ||
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Balla24
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On November 04 2013 14:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote: Balla24, could you make your case for Vonthin being scum? i think that would be helpful because owb has pushed for Vonthin in the past. I've made it twice now. Not making a new case just yet. Will link since my filter is freaking massive... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=37#735 Night1 case http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=47#940 Day2 case | ||
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Vonthin is easy, he has 4 pages of filter, and i've already listed all his interactions with poofter. See what you can make out of that. Analysis, ask yourself why he would do everything he does. Odin is interesting because you say you have a town read on him... i'm not sold on Odin. See what you find in regards to him/poofter. If you want, make a list of interactions like I did for You/Vonthin/Owb... might be helpful. | ||
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On November 04 2013 14:24 nyxnyxnyx wrote: think about it, why would you list your friend as scum TWICE at all when no one would fault you for just reading something/someone else altogether Just look at last game... GGtemplar called both SagaZ and I scummy MULTIPLE times throughout the game (starting on day1) which caused us to do the same about each other. I was saying SagaZ was scummy half the game. It's good to throw red-herrings at the town as mafia. I've played mafia twice now and it's definitely a useful thing to do... it makes it VERY hard to make any sort of pairrings when people get caught. I find it suspicious that he doesn't ACT on his "scum read" of him. Makes it seem faked. | ||
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On November 04 2013 14:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i do not have a town read on Odin. i'd be willing to vote Odin, i just can't make a case for/against him since his posts and reads thus far have been confusing Sorry, typo haha~.. I don't mind if you can't make a case for him. But please look into him... I just don't want you looking at storr. You're seriously tunnel visioning. | ||
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StorrZerg -> Poofter Interactions [Sorry, storrzerg's filter is pretty long so this will be quite general instead of detailed as the other ones were] -Didn't consider him for most the game, but when he did, he decides he has a town read on him. -Votes for him towards the end, has concerns about him not voting and getting modkilled (which seemed VERY genuine, since he actually asked the mods, unlike vonthin), unvotes and revotes similarly to vonthin but he semed like he thought he could turn the tides to OWB.. - During day2 he was mad that we were letting OWB slide while inactive but wasn't mentioning poofter as inactive till the end.. indirect interaction, do with it as you will. Voting Patterns D1: Pressure votes July and leaves it on for entire day. D2: Starts with vote on nyx, doesn't think he can get traction and votes for OWB, votes poofter with no real reasoning but started to lose faith in an OWB vote... unvotes and goes for OWB again then finally leaves vote on poofter when he thought there was 1 minute left to secure a lynch. [u] Poofter -> Storr interactions - immediately questions storr about early vote on July - corrects Jonny by saying he is NOT sold on storr being town - prods storr for his read on cakemanofdoom.. - displays hesitance to lynch storr based on "respect for his game" and scared that mafia would jump on the vote (Obzy and I had votes on him) - nothing else significant until he defends himself against storr's questioning about July vote - asks storr if he doesnt agree with him on Vanesco being killed because he was on the right track with jonny/cake - notes that he has read storr as town for most of the game | ||
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On November 04 2013 14:59 nyxnyxnyx wrote: fair enough on the Vonthin point. what are your thoughts on the Vonthin/owb pair being unlikely? I agree with that. In fact, I would go so far as to say OWB and Vonthin are NOT a scum team 100%. However that doesn't help since we don't know which of them are scum yet. If we can rule out scum teams with poofter, that will help enormously, which is why i'm posting all these summaries of interactions. | ||
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I am also letting Storr do E00s because: 1. I don't want him to continue tunneling on nyx. 2. I want to see if he comes up with what i come up with or if he leaves stuff out.. | ||
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At the point where Storr voted on poofter at his perceived last minute it was NOT hammering. I thought it was and was considering it as the most pro-town thing ever. Still is relatively pro-town as it prevents any mafia from switching off. | ||
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On November 04 2013 15:37 StorrZerg wrote: @balla24 will have to do it tomorrow. to exhausted for now to even read posts That's fine. I'm gonna head to bed as well anyways. | ||
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"Agrees with e00E that the voting pattern on e00E is bad and that lynching them would be too easy which reads town. Also likes e00E's new posts especially the accusation on July." Poofter backed off of you because he was scared of how easy it was, then he goes on July... the easiest lynch we've had as town... | ||
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Poofter voted you 3rd in the bandwagon on day1. Everybody randomly switches off of you to July because July did something quite scummy. His reasoning though is that your vote is "too easy" and he switches to July, even though I was pointing out that July's vote was being "too easy" for me already. He goes from one easy target to another... why? He was getting really close to an E00 lynch... he had 5 people I think? I don't get that... | ||
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It was hard to sell Odin as a lynch target, more so than July. | ||
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