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On October 18 2013 03:00 supersoft wrote: one question are you a squib? On October 18 2013 03:04 Grackaroni wrote: The squib comment was addressed to me (with the SAM claim).what a dumb question lol. Considering you purport to be a squib; why is this a dumb question? If anything, being a squib, I would not have expected you to role play as hard early-game as well.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:47 Grackaroni wrote: I've already answered that question. I 'spose you are referring to: On October 23 2013 01:18 Onegu wrote: This post here makes me think town, his first first thought was Im playing in a Harry Potter game of course im not a squib. It seems really genuine. On October 23 2013 02:12 Grackaroni wrote: I said that because I thought it was dumb that he was going to try to use role pms for his scumhunting. Grack response is completely fair in the context of what SS did. Onegu on the other hand looks terrible for this. Seems like a cheap way to extend a town read (similar to what Pandain was doing by calling you town for role playing --> yet conveniently not commenting on Skanjab). As a "vet"; Onegu would not be a squib (nor have knowledge of what a squib role dictates in this game - could equally be mafia goon).. which makes it even more odd to give out a town read based on this inference. One thing to consider is that this night, Syllo could be dead. If so, Onegu is free to use the magic carpet redirect. If Onegu is not lynched this cycle (i.e. Holyflare goes through), it is probably wise to burn the magic carpet tonight. | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:57 Holyflare wrote: This post really pisses me off - because its precisely why I thought you were town. FFS.+ Show Spoiler + You are quite categorically retarded, i literally linked the post where i came to the conclusion skan is one of the last scum or hopeless, you told me that he was fucking town. I told you in my long post when i went to hospital that i thought skan was scummy and gave reasons. Now he's literally jusy confirming himself. I'm not going to rehash his day 1 content again and again because you have already done it and it made me feel like my previous concerns were validated. I'm not going to get into an argument about roles all over again. My power says I am a squib and that I can use my persuasive charm once to bolster my vote. This has been said so many times that my brain will explode. Just read day 2. Why would i lie about this kind of power? If i was scum i woild just say vt and be done with it, yet i straight out claimed my power first in my qt. There was no need for me to do that. What use has it gotten me right now? I don't care if you don't like it but i have nothigtto hide. If you take issue with it take it up poat game when i flip town. I am not going to yell or cry and make excuses about what you are doing other than call your play shit. Some guy posts nothing for 2 days and claims medic at the end of a day after a lot of pressure and doing nothing. His medic was put to the test last night. It quite clearly failed. Yet, that's not enough evidence for you?? His posts were nothing like town bh meta and then he's quite clearly forced into saying how hes demoralised, you wabt to know the really stupid part?? THAT YOU BELIEVE IT. Syllo claims that if sn0 gets shot that is like BH claiming mafia. Yet he has done nothing to follow up on that and quite clearly won't today. I'm tired of letting him past and I've been on this guy for like 3 straight days but when my suspicions come fo fruition and actually become really obvious to everyone they turn around and lynch me. Yeh great town you're with there. Onegu has been a dark horse. His play isn't like his meta which I've semi properly read now, his play as been constantly tunneled upon me with inconsistencies. He thought the 2 people that I was pressuring hard;Bh abd mattchew were scum but that was how he initially derived a scum read on me? How does that make sense. He's fake pushed me all game and has come up with no evidence of why I am scum, he just states that I am and that he has read. Look at his votes? They follow thrwad sentiment all they way, never following his suspicions, never making cases on his scum reads, and then claims vet because after the entire thread has revealed, he has to right? Not to mention that they even shot him in the first place. I have no idea why people find that believable. Scum would not visit the house that contains the person with lumos in it to shoot a guy whose powers they don't know over 2 medics who couldn't heal each other and 2-3 town reads. Look, I am in a complete slump and playing terrible. Accept that. Syllo doesn't give a shit and is playing terrible too. Accept that. The thread is 250 pages long, and a lot of positions have changed halfway-through due to lying/new information etc. Accept that. I can't keep up with every single post you make, and its not hard for you to go through your filter and paste the quotes I need to make an informed opinion. Perfect example the convo with Grack above. He says he answered the question when you ctrl+f "dumb question" his response doesnt serach, because the keyword is spoilered. I am town, you know I am town. I am as confirmed as Syllo. You also know I give a shit about this game, and am trying to solve it. Pull the finger out and help me by *SHOWING* what you are talking about. Not just *STATING*. Cos if you want to state stuff, you fall into the same boat as Onegu (who you are trying to lynch). | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:23 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn really disappoints me btw. As soon as his lynch was off the table his announced great reread with scumreads was transformed into some underwhelming posting. Not that I did better but I didn't run around promising people to find scum. Maybe I will find a bit more time tomorrow. Agree in full. Its why I posted that in Noir; when scum Rayn joined a second game. He put in the bare minimum effort. Seems like a repeat story here. He does have a red check on him as well. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:31 Grackaroni wrote: I think he's saying it's really unlikely that Mafia are given cop checks and once a potion is consumed it will tell the player checked that they have been checked. Yes, Hopeless is arguing that he has been truthful with his explanation of the potions given to Syllo + Me. Thus, we should take at face-value the effect of the potion given to JAT. Points in Hopeless favour: (1) He said he would be notified if you did not drink the potion (this info was donated) (2) His attitude to the situation is slightly indicative of town that want to rely on blue roles (kinda like how Chairman wanted to be checked) Even though he also solely wants this potion to confirm him as town I lean it town. Because its more disliking him for terrible play AND it draws unrequired heat on him for no purposeful reason. Cons against Hopeless: (1) Usage of potion on me was just dumb, dumb, dumb (as town) and smart, smart, smart (as scum) (2) Pandain defending him against LastArgument (3) Having a scum read on Skanjab and then asking Skanjab to cool down and come back to the thread.(I have never seen a townie pressuring his scum read, ask the read to back down... normally its somebody else interjecting) (4) A couple of other sthings, that aren't important to state at this point in time. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:37 Grackaroni wrote: I think the odds of hitting scum with this are pretty good. Considering that Toad has the same flavor as a lover as all of the other VT's I think it's far more likely that HF is mafia than him being a VT with different flavor or having an addendum saying that he also has a secret vote. I'm willing to take the risk. I don't really feel bad about it if he is mafia either. He talked about ET using the word squib for town-cred and it backfired on him. Yes, that was a major down point for Holyflare. Especially given that the response to the "slip" by ET was spoilered. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://s9.postimg.org/68362imr3/Vote_1.jpg/) This didn't help me with much, but might help someone else. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/CBqXHtK) I dunno why it wont display. http://imgur.com/CBqXHtK Its a colour-code of vote order for each day based on flipped info. I think the ET vote on Onegu Day1, makes Onegu town. There was not a single known vote on scum, and even if there was a sole vote: there was not heavy pressure. It just wasn't required to do a bus vote at that point in time. I'm not finding this that useful because everything past Day3/4/5 is just town insta-voting Cephiro or Chairman. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:00 Sn0_Man wrote: Alright Full Roleclaim time. Since I currently can't see any reason to withhold the name, I am Pansy Parkinson!. I am a Medic, with a 1-time twist. The first time that my target is targetted by KP I deal 1KP back to the attacker. Also non-conseq or whatever BH called it. I protected Syllogism last night. [b]I recieved notification that my 1-time KP was used. Those are the facts. What obviously happened was that Pandain and ET both used .5 KP on Syllo, which resulted in me killing both. I have confirmed that due to the simultaneous resolution of their KP, I would deal 1KP to each of them. Toad died due to being paired with ET. Mafia shot Supersoft and LastArgument. LoneMeow is the only unaccounted for shot. I believe BH's medic claim simply because he mentions that he assumes he can't target himself, but it is NOT mentioned in the role pm (much like mine) whereas the inability to target the same person 2 nights in a row IS mentioned in said PM. [b]"Does this medic role notify whether a save is successful" I will PM the host as well. Doubt we will get a response. | ||
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On October 30 2013 15:09 syllogism wrote: That has come up already. No, it does not. Thank You. Follow post is moot then. | ||
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What I want to know is: What benefit is there to lynch Holyflare before Blazinghand? Holy has a point -> Sn0 is dead; we all said that means BH *is* mafia. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/d0qoKhS) http://imgur.com/d0qoKhS This is the votes with a team of {Skan, BH, Onegu} I don't really like the pattern of this. Interestingly.. this setup does make some sense to me in pattern ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/ufvRlN2) http://imgur.com/ufvRlN2 {Skan, BH, Rayn} | ||
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On October 30 2013 16:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Holyflare how much mafia have you played? Hes just come off the newbies. Some of what he said on Onegu is fine; some of it is a very bad interpretation. In my opinion HF case on Onegu leans much more heavily towards tunneled town (whether right or wrong in read) than scum making a fake case. Its a far better effort than your about turn on Skanjab (again whether right or wrong) ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On October 30 2013 16:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Blazinghand, Onegu and Skanjabs must be scum. If one of them is town, Grack must be scum. There is no other explanation. And why do you not vote blazinghand? | ||
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On October 30 2013 16:59 syllogism wrote: A VT with a power does not pass even a rudimentary "sour grapes" setup design test. The hosts have confirmed that squibs have no powers. They have been given an opportunity to issue a correction and have not done so. A one shot power is still a power and indeed we've had blues flip with one-shot powers (e.g palmar). You can not explain that away by saying "oh he is just a VT with a flavor based reason for this power not to be a power", especially due to what polyjuice's wording. Holyflare not only has a role that would require hosts lying to us, but he has also lied to us about the role in a way that makes almost no sense to town. His attitude and approach for his defense is completely wrong. He never even once entertained the possibility of hosts issuing a correction, but immediately pushed the idea that they would never do that even though that is blatantly wrong. There's also the issue of town already having a flipped hidden voter. Having two town aligned hidden voters is by itself suspicious. If we don't lynch him today we may actually lose because you people are going to keep refusing lynching him ever day and he is mafia. Yeah ok. I can understand where you are coming from. It's exacerbated by the bus on blazing. What do you make of rayn dropping holyflare immediately? | ||
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I disagree with Holyflare saying Onegu was unjustified on Mattchew. The reasoning exists: Storr voted Sn0. Matt votes Storr; then Matt votes Sn0 --> the classic vote your scum reads, scum read. That aside: I have some peculiarities with Onegu that I can reconcile Namely (1) Power On October 25 2013 03:57 Cephiro wrote: CLAIM RIGHT NOW! On October 25 2013 03:58 Onegu wrote: The phrasing suggests the power must be "ACTIVATED"No, my abilty is still useful and I wont claim yet. On October 26 2013 04:03 Onegu wrote: Now his power is passive (as phrased by him).Ok I am Cho Chang a vet that will be saved once if targeted by 1kp or less, by one of my many beaus... Had to look up what a beau was... I find this highly misleading. Given that he was one of the last to claim, the misleading factor of this is highly suspicious. (2) JAT On October 23 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote: when checking JAT last night nothing stuck out to me as really scummy. becomes On October 23 2013 23:29 Skanjab1s wrote: Why are we lynching Cephiro now? On October 23 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote: Who else could ne scum scum in gryffendor? JAT is a possibility to me but nothing really sticks out to me. becomes: On October 24 2013 00:00 raynpelikonoshi wrote: JAT claims to have shot LoneMeow. There is no CC. So it's Cephiro or raynko. Lynching into Hufflepuff is silly atm. Imo the cop is scum or Cephiro is scum. On October 24 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote: Ok yeah then. This attitude makes no sense. How do you go from JAT is 'OK" to lynch him, and then back to "OK yeah then" ? The kicker: On October 25 2013 05:43 Onegu wrote: Could JAT be a SK that can hold his shot, or he shot someone protected, and that is why there is a red check? This sequence of thought process makes zero sense. (3) Skanjab On October 22 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote: Im going to filter JAT and skan tonight as I dont have a food read on either of them at this point. into On October 23 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote: You guys have any questions for me? I just finished reading JAT I doubt he is scum, going to go over skanjabs now. As stated by Cephiro previously: Onegu does not follow up with this promise to read Skanjab. I believe Onegu response was: On October 25 2013 04:21 Onegu wrote: Basd on the format of the reply its hard to ascertain if this was indeed the retort. Contextually it makes sense.4. Decided to ask him questions instead and get a better read, discussed a bit about this in RC QT. This is the only reference to Skanjab in that time. On October 23 2013 23:29 Skanjab1s wrote: Why are we lynching Cephiro now? On October 23 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote: Alarm bells are now ringingWho else could ne scum scum in gryffendor? JAT is a possibility to me but nothing really sticks out to me. On October 23 2013 01:05 syllogism wrote: I just noticed that earlier on Yamato said on the QT that he would have honestly replaced out of this game if he was Mafia. Ouch. On October 23 2013 01:08 Mocsta wrote: If Yamato is then town; does this make Skanjab look better, worse, or indifferent? On October 23 2013 01:12 Onegu wrote: Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now. On October 25 2013 00:06 Cephiro wrote: He never mentions who this another flip is, or why it would affect his read on skanjab1s. He's just not interested in lynching scum. Onegu replies with: 6. Still not convinced BH isnt scum. Agree with stutters a town BH protects a vet not rng. 7. The other flip was BH as I thought one was scum but not both if BH flipped town then skan was scum. After the house check in griffendor I have revised this theory. I have several problems with this. Firstly, "Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now." We know Yam is town; so in essence he is stating that Skanjab becomes town. How does this even make sense? Theres no reasoning behind this, and in my opinion Yam being town makes Skanjab look scummier as this is his only contribution (other than a case on Sn0 Secondly, "The other flip was BH as I thought one was scum but not both if BH flipped town then skan was scum. After the house check in griffendor I have revised this theory." The theory is that one of {BH, Skanjab} is scum... again... we expect BH to flip town.. Skanjab now becomes town. Further to this; Onegu states explictly in point 6. that he expects BH to be scum. No matter what occurs in this situation, Skanjab is a town read for Onegu. A false dilemna indeed. So who is Onegu voting for? On October 23 2013 22:45 Onegu wrote: ##VOTE CEPHIRO I get the thread is voting for Cephiro and he is following the check on Gryffndor; but the above is simply not congruent with his vote behaviour. I believe scum is {Onegu, Skanjab, Blazinghand} | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:54 Holyflare wrote: Like syllo said, self preservation. I am confident in my abilities to scum hunt that I would like to stay in later in the game abd I find it unforgivable if a towny doesn't go down without a fight. If it meant i had to mislead people for a day so be it. I had no need to claim my power, i could have just said vt like grack. this is a bad post. very desperate appeal. | ||
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On October 30 2013 22:07 Grackaroni wrote: I still have no clue why HF would claim the secret vote instead of VT. Maybe he thought Storrzerg had a list of character names and roles. I don't recall had cephiro unveiled vote power yet? | ||
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syllos prob dead this night, but he needs this chapter closed regardless...l just like we all needed cephiro I still think blazinghand is the best lynch for tonight, but its time for me to go to bed. as for the vt thing, I'm not sure if any true squibs had flipped when holy gave role. so..... | ||
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