EPTI don't know why we're the only two people talking. Everyone else is probably just reading and has grown long, wispy beards, which they are stroking as they read our posts and thinking to themselves, "mmm hmmm. austinmcc so wise, and so correct (about his own alignment). VE has good points, but they don't make austinmcc mafia, although he's doing a nice job of presenting them." When they stop beard-stroking, they'll have hands free to type again.
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I don't know why we're the only two people talking. Everyone else is probably just reading and has grown long, wispy beards, which they are stroking as they read our posts and thinking to themselves, "mmm hmmm. austinmcc so wise, and so correct (about his own alignment). VE has good points, but they don't make austinmcc mafia, although he's doing a nice job of presenting them." When they stop beard-stroking, they'll have hands free to type again. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: This sounds dumb, but please explain what you mean by "bussing" here.(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov? On October 10 2013 07:54 VayneAuthority wrote: Can you unpack this answer? I guess specifically, how do my actions on D4 onwards implicate me. You say I was targeting them recently, entirely true esp on CR, but go through how my actions D4 onwards implicate me and make sense from a scum pov in your mind.4. Austin has been targeting s0lstice and CR for a bit recently, this implicates him the most. S0lstice also warmed up to an austin lynch before the whole fiasco but never actually expands on it. | ||
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On October 11 2013 05:17 VayneAuthority wrote: Given that rayn specifically asks about actions, and given that I have some...peculiar actions, do they fit scumaustinmcc for you, or do you believe they are just less convincing than the interactions?its not about making sense or not at this point. 2 of the 3 members pretty much gave themselves up. Logic is no longer an issue here. I am looking purely at an interactions. The interactions between you and s0lstice are abrupt and soft push-y, they look weird. CR does not even address your cases against him, which is ultra super fucking weird. He has no problem arguing all day with me but he never even addresses your case against him or anything. When CR gives him scrumreads he puts me as the last banger and s0lstice/you/CC as the other team. I don't think he would be smart enough to leave WoS out as his partner completely, so I am pretty confident it's you or CC. Both you and mr.CC have weird interactions with s0lstice/CR thats all there is to it | ||
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I still have a hard time figuring out how my D4 makes sense as scum, but I can see some bits and pieces of other stuff you'd look at. If that's more convincing, a scumread from you is better/townier than you trying to force everything I've done to be scummy, a la rayn. | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote: We don't seem to write/think the same way. This has happened like 3-4 times over the course of the game, earlier you thinking that I wasn't quite calling someone scum or wasn't quite doing x, when in my mind I was.I'm pretty sure...he wasn't as overtly abrasive in the scum game I read and that's pretty much the only serious difference, but his conclusions match mine and I'm going with town. Wave you should read austin and my interactions on the last 4 or 5 pages. Over the course of questioning him I had a really hard time getting him to commit to a scumread, and it didn't feel like it was because he wasn't sure or was paranoid or whatever. And he's got some interactions with s0L that are basically unexplainable from a town perspective. I DON'T fully know. I AM unsure. Just...remember this one for future games. | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote: There have been a few times this game where it's popped up. Not just yesterday.I was referencing the bit where you were giving me options instead of conclusions austin...and I still attest that until I dragged it out of you, you were NOT saying that Cheese was the most suspicious. You were giving me options and expecting me to be like "Oh okay, so THAT'S who austin thinks is scum" when I couldn't have possibly gleaned that information from the info you provided. Yesterday WAS mainly thoughts/options, not conclusions. Things that I'm trying to make sense of. When I'm spammy, I'm not posting neatly packaged conclusions. And especially if it looks like people want to lynch me, my goal, as disorganized as it may be, is to just get all my thoughts into the thread. Maybe something in there is important, maybe not. On October 11 2013 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: It's either all/mostly bullshit, or very little bullshit. If stuff like "he's alive" factors into your read, so should things like "his scumbuddy claimed cop, claimed scum, and austinmcc came out looking worse than anyone else in the game (apparently), why would solstice sac himself to make his buddy look BAD."It was me - I brought that up in response to some WIFOM bullshit he gave me. Feeding him his own bullshit as it were. You can call it all bullshit and that's okay, but then you've got to toss things that are both for AND against me, imo. I don't think it's all bullshit. I've explained my being alive as best I can, but I don't know why other people do what they do. | ||
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And I know my best bet is to find other dudes. Stuff like that solstice interaction isn't something I can go "yup, here's a super townie explanation." I can give you the HONEST explanation, and can you question my lack of followup postgame/in later games/when we cuddle. I just...usually if I get suspected as mafia it's because it's early game and i'm semi-afk or useless on D1 or something. When it gets lategame and I'm under suspicion, I get all prickly and I want to fully understand exactly why people are on my nuts. If you don't care about my D4/me being alive/any of that stuff, it's all good. But you brought that up, and then WoS got the still alive thing as the major takeaway from your posts. So...either it was a bigger factor in your posting on me than you thought or WoS needs glasses. But yeah, npnp if you're throwing out all WIFOM-y stuff except you should definitely consider all the stuff I say. I heard your cry for help with the bear. I kinda/sorta came to the rescue OR made it worse, definitely one of the two. You can trust me. | ||
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The same way my reads on you and cc as scum (before pandain flipping) were based PRIMARILY, or at least you caught my eye primarily, because of single posts that I thought could ONLY come from the mafia point of view. FT, SP, and oats each made these little comments or had a specific point or discussion that scum don't do. There are posts on both FT and SP, you can see my thought process. | ||
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So it's a combination, it's not just the reads, it's that those reads got in the way of mafia objectives. I pushed for mafia lynches over townie lynches. Which is GREAT if we want me to get some cred, look nice, and survive til lategame. But if the goal is "i kind of push mafia, call townies town, survive til lategame," then ... I don't know why I suggest alternate plans on D4. And I don't know why my team chooses ME to push against mislynches and survive til lategame, because I would expect me to get shot if my reads are good. Why not give CR the correct reads, let HIM get the cred but never push anything hard? He can survive til lategame and NOT look odd. Like...if this is a big fat plan for me to push scumbuddies and not push town, ... it doesn't make sense for ME to be the person whose shoulders we put that on. We put it on someone who people don't know well, who doesn't seem threatening, just seems to have decent reads but never really pushed em, so wasn't a threat to scum. ALL OF THIS SUCKS BUT I CAN'T STOP. I'll try and go poke filters instead. | ||
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On October 11 2013 10:12 VayneAuthority wrote: As a returning of the honesty, in MOST of my scumgames I've been pretty lurky/unnoticed early, and gotten more active/more controlling over the game later.it does count for something. unless you are pandain and heavy effort/tunneling like that = scum, as well as his stupid go through your filter and comment on it thing Persona is an outlier there, but in general I tend to start putting in more effort mid/late as scum. It just also happens to be my towngame, just like the later days and trying to actually solve the game better than the early poking and prodding. | ||
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On October 11 2013 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Gonzaw. I wasn't in that one.austin was it you or gonzaw who dominated Liar Game toward end-game? I was scum in Aperture 2 with hiro/iamperfection, win. Replaced into CT Mafia as scum, got lynched and we lost. Scum in Persona 2 or something, our team dominated, win. Scum in PTP 4 Demon's Run, our team got blown apart but managed to win because of KP everywhere and me going HAM on anti-town kita. Scum in Aperture 3, team won. Those are my only scumgames, with CT being my only replacement game. I think the only game where I've really dominated at endgame is PTP4, and that's due to it being PTP, not my scum skill. | ||
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On October 11 2013 10:22 VayneAuthority wrote: No, I agree. I DON'T think CR's claim was fake, and I think it was actually him trying to do something weird in order to look like his town self. I still stand by that, although rayn super disagrees.austin if you recall though CR's claim wasn't a team thing, he did it on his own. He revealed later that his last teammate was really mad at his play. I think it's genuine and I am ignoring the CR part as part of some elaborate play or w/e And if I were his teammate, I would have been really mad at him  And solstice for claiming cop instead of 1v1ing cheesecake. I guess what I'm saying is, if I am mafia, we set ME up for endgame by bussing, despite me being the person who would look out of place. If solstice/cr/austinmcc sets someone up by having them bus so they can make it to endgame, we do that with CR. I know his claim would have ruined that, if that's what you're getting at, and agree that it's not part of a plan. But like...if I'm mafia and the plan is "someone bus the other two, hard bus one and kinda waver on the other, and call townies townies," then I would honestly assign that duty probably to CR. | ||
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Fake wrong word. I don't think it was planned as a way to keep other scum team alive. I think it was actually CR trying to look like town CR. | ||
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On October 11 2013 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote: ONLY IF I'M MAFIA. And you said you were fucked if I were mafia, so ... you better find me townie or you'll be fucked? Cuz if you said you'd be fucked if I'm mafia and then I'm mafia and you're not fucked, you lied, and should be lynched for lying? AUSTIN BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THE ONE SAYING ALL THIS MAKES IT MEANINGLESS  I dunno. When you get mislynched, don't you KNOW your play that game? Don't you feel like there are all these things that people aren't taking into account, or particular quirks in your play that you know but other people don't seem to see? Like...PARANOID AND CAN'T MAKE UP HIS MIND ABOUT THE COP AUSTIN. And like all this other crap. Just because it comes from me doesn't mean it doesn't make SENSE. I'll admit the crap that I've done that's scummy (that solstice --> no comment --> palmar vote), because I know it looks scummy. But I'm going to fight you on crap I DON'T think is scummy. Whether you trust me or not, I'ma post me some posts. | ||
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Like, if I can convince you I'm town, and we're actually looking at having two lynches, then the game is won. | ||
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On October 11 2013 10:42 VayneAuthority wrote: That's why it says "IF . . . we actually have two lynches".the thing is, me and rayn concluded earlier that there can be two kills tonight. we don't know that we have 2 lynches yet. On October 11 2013 10:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, it got interesting quick.I know I've never had more anxiety over a seemingly won game in all my life XD More crap that I probably don't do if I'm scum - On October 08 2013 14:29 austinmcc wrote: ... Koshi, I would ask that you shoot VA or myself tonight. I trust you to make a decent decision within or outside of that, but here is my reasoning. You, as far as I can tell, think VA is town. You've got some doubts, some little things that bug you, but appear to think he's town. Dunno where you currently are on me. But here's the thing, VA and I appear to be ... entirely opposed. I've been calling him mafia. He's been calling me mafia. For a while now. Both of us would like to show that the other guy is mafia and that we're town. Not only that, but finding the townie betwixt us is important. It colors some other things, possible what to do about Pandain. If you shoot into us tonight, you confirm someone or kill scum. And if you confirm someone, we can be nearly nearly nearly 100% that the other one is mafia. It should also be relatively apparent that we are NOT the two remaining scum. This isn't a ploy to have one of us shot and the other skate through. You may not trust me entirely, but this is entirely sensible, and ensures that you pretty much get TWO reads off of a single action tonight. You have found VA townie, but he is not. You have found me scummy at times, but if we had gone with my plan of lynching outside the cops and lynching CR, we would have eliminated MCB (bee tee dubs, scum need all the night KP they can get, finishing off an entire team would be BAD for scum, and scum would not want that to happen) Any bus works, any shot works, but I think that by shooting into the two of us you get two reads for the price of one. On October 08 2013 14:36 austinmcc wrote: The night action is up to Koshi, but I think there's good reason to shoot into us. There are other good options, but I think this provides the MOST information. We also will know what he did, because he'll tell us right before it happens. If scum want to bother roleblocking him or vesting someone, they're short 1 KP. And they don't know if the vest is wasted, because they don't know if VA will get shot. They'd run the chance that they vest him, I get shot, they have a member outed AND lost a KP. Bad fo scum. There's a teensy weensy itsy bitsy chance we're both town, but I just don't see things playing out like that. | ||
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On October 11 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Austin I have one question for you. When you were outed as scum in PTP at the end of the game, did you lie about anything regarding yourself and/or when you attempted to get kita lynched? If so, what did you lie about? (it's been a long time since that game and I was already long dead at that point---don't feel like rereading again but I will if you make me.) Yeah. We both doctored our PMs. Kita doctors his QT to make it look like he was neutral survivor, I doctored geript and myself in QT to make it look like geript told me kita had claimed mafia-aligned 3P. I also edited OUT any mentions of my mind control power, as it was necessary to my winning. But in general, once I accidentally claimed, I was honest and in an odd way scumhunted kita, trying to convince gonzaw/crossfire that kita was the more dangerous anti-town faction. Otherwise, apart from editing out mind control and rewording a couple geript posts, it's all legit. Truth and healthy healthy amounts of paranoia. Dudes who wait til N23 or N27 or whatever to NK the last townie in a 1-1 scenario are not dudes who let their scumbuddies claim scum. | ||
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