Requesting a 1 game host ban for:

HaruH

The_Templar

Glowingbear

For hosting a pretty sloppy game of mafia, It was unbalanced, a day was shortened for no reason, Inappropriate host posts, Deadlines missed entirely, roles and mechanics in OP unclear etc.

Testomonials:

On September 28 2014 06:44 Promethelax wrote:
Also what the fuck is this hosting? I know that there was not a unanimous vote to change deadlines, I did not vote for it. The hosts for this game should be ashamed of themselves.

On September 28 2014 06:52 Promethelax wrote:
I wanted good hosting without unilateral host decisions affecting game play. This is the worst hosting I've ever seen on TL. It took three days to get a response to a PM none of the roles or role interactions are clear in the OP. The vote counts and thread interaction from Templar are intrusive and against the spirit of the game. Instead of making the game as simple as possible for the players to play without integer venting the hosts have intervened at every stage either for the pure joy of fuckery or to cover their own incompetence.

On September 29 2014 22:27 Promethelax wrote:

I have played ~25 games on tl, ~25 on EM AND ~5 on MS and one on omgus. This was the most poorly hosted.

I would also like to request a 3 game ban of the balance team. Either they did not read the setup or failed to comprehend how truly imbalanced it was. Both offenses are clearly playing against their win condition and should be dealt with severely.

Acrofales

Spain17898 Posts

September 29 2014 14:41 GMT

#1649

Ahhhh. The lovely smell of banlist drama in the morning!

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts

September 29 2014 15:30 GMT

#1650

On September 29 2014 23:41 Acrofales wrote:
Ahhhh. The lovely smell of banlist drama in the morning!

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

September 29 2014 16:06 GMT

#1651

Aside from possible imbalance, how did hosts interfere with that game exactly? Not quite following.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

September 29 2014 16:28 GMT

#1652

Actually I'm quite surprised the setup got through anyone checking it. Does that not happen anymore? Like give the setup to gmarsh/fool/other dudes to see if it's relatively balanced.
I'm not sure if DP is serious or not but the hosts should see how the other people host games, it really helps to see how you deal with the protocol and the interactions with players.

geript

10024 Posts

September 29 2014 16:40 GMT

#1653

Look guys, I think that might be HaruRH's first hosted game. Cut him some slack. Did he fuck up with the balance? Yes, town should have at most 3 roles but probably -1 because everyone was a mason. Did Templar and Harurh intrude on a day by making it shorter and with their comments? Yes. But I don't think Harurh really realized how it becomes obvious one way or another; for example, CR got mod confirmation of mafia two different ways and when a similar thing happens to Oats the following day people can read into the fact that he wasn't be railroaded by the hosts similarly.

My only recommendation is that his next 2-3 setups must be cleared by foolishness/kita/igrok/etc. before they can start.

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

September 29 2014 17:30 GMT

#1654

What was the setup?

Damdred

15669 Posts

September 29 2014 17:37 GMT

#1655

Everyone was masons but not confirmed toe ach other but haru let everone know 2 mafia would be in the same qt together and one mafia+one town or 3rd party the rest were town+town. We had 4 blue roles vs 3 mafia and a 3p that could win with either side.

geript

10024 Posts

September 29 2014 17:39 GMT

#1656

7 pairs of players who are masons. One pair is confirmed mafia-mafia. One confirmed 3P who is always a survivor (unless they're the martyr in which case they're essentially town). Cop, PGO, Vig (every other night), Vet, ~~tracker~~ vs mafia GF, vengeful, goon vs arsonist.

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

September 29 2014 17:41 GMT

#1657

Eh, there's nothing wrong with 13 players set up as 9-1-3. I played a game where it was something like:
Town: 5x vt, 1x jk, 1x town rb, 1x 1-shot town jk; 1x dt;
3P: 1x sk;
Mafia: 1x goon, 1x gf, 1 scum rb.

If you add in masonry, even unconfirmed masonry, it makes the game easier for town. If you add in a 10th town-aligned player, that should also make it easier for town.

EDIT: Or wait, are you complaining the game was too town-favored? That would make more sense, I guess. I don't understand the complaint. so vague. No details. zzz

geript

10024 Posts

September 29 2014 17:50 GMT

#1658

Yah the game was really, really townfavored. Mainly because once town flips a mafia the game becomes one of obvious numbers.

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

September 29 2014 17:56 GMT

#1659

Probably the obvious solution would be for there to be no guaranteed pairings. IE it's possible mafia is paired with mafia, or all mafia are paired with a townie, etc. That way if you lynch a mafia, it's not the right move to autolynch his partner since all partnerships are RNGed. You could also make the 3p more anti-town by giving it an SK-style KP (defeats all protection, forced to use it every night) and a traditional SK style wincon that would make the game more anti-swing (contrast Survivor, which makes the game more pro-swing).

That being said, I still don't see any cause for a ban or violation of rules. The serious problems (forced mafia-mafia mason pairing, the wincons of the 3p) with this setup were all open and available. When you /ined, you knew that there would be a 3p which had a 33% chance of being pro-town and a 67% chance of being pro-swing, and that mafia would be in the bad position of having a guaranteed mason pair of mafia-mafia. Looks like HaruRH was hosting his first game or whatever and made some mistakes, but in terms of balance, everything that was unbalanced about this game was in the OP before the game started.

Even if there were like, no blue roles at all, or just a Cop, or something, that wouldn't solve the balance problems. That's certainly no good, but it also means that everyone who /inned knew what they were getting into. You could argue that the implications of the setup are non-obvious to someone trying to analyze it without having the setup get played out by real players, so you couldn't have known it would be so bad; but HaruRH would probably respond by saying that the same is true for him.