EPTI also know when it's time to not care anymore. And it's when i get myself modkilled in two games. I have better things to do than talk to deaf ears.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I also know when it's time to not care anymore. And it's when i get myself modkilled in two games. I have better things to do than talk to deaf ears. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 08 2014 07:48 prplhz wrote: Anyway, I don't know if you guys know what happened in Cell Mini Mafia but... At some point gumshoe made a post: There was some discussion in the game about whether or not the "I swear on my life I am town" was against the rules (and I think this is what raynpelikoneet is referring to when he says "I hate cheaters"?). I don't think there's any reason to ban or even warn gumshoe for this because I don't think he was intentionally breaking any rules and I don't know if there is any rule which covers this (can't bet items outside the game?) and I don't think it's fair to expect gumshoe to interpret that rule so that it means he cannot say this. I'm just bringing this up because it was an issue in the game and maybe we want to find out what TL Mafia thinks about this. I disagree with this 100%. Gum knows that Rayn and I would townread him for saying "I swear on my life I'm town." It's the exact same thing as posting a seal. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 08 2014 08:00 DarthPunk wrote: Gumshoe did nothing wrong IMO. Scum can say whatever they want basically. If someone is stupid enough to believe "i swear on my life i'm not scum" means anything then that is their problem. This. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 08 2014 08:00 DarthPunk wrote: Gumshoe did nothing wrong IMO. Scum can say whatever they want basically. If someone is stupid enough to believe "i swear on my life i'm not scum" means anything then that is their problem. He was town, but I guess that's completely besides the point. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
1) never believing anything irl/seal related and 2) be so utterly willing to lie about anything irl/seal related that nobody believes anything you say that is irl/seal related. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: You guys would never have this problem if you all played like me, you know? I mean in terms of both 1) never believing anything irl/seal related and 2) be so utterly willing to lie about anything irl/seal related that nobody believes anything you say that is irl/seal related. I do that but we know some players don't  | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:01 Holyflare wrote: i swear on my life is not betting, he didn't break any rules and the only people that think he did are people with english as not their first language Yes the rules have to accommodate to us too. To me saying "I will kill myself if I'm not town" is basically the same as betting. You're wagering something valuable on the outcome of a situation. "I swear I'm not mafia" is okay in my mind. "I swear on my life I'm not mafia" is not. But again, you are entirely correct that there is a cultural and language barrier. I don't think gumshoe should get any warning or ban for it. But we should just kind of agree to either not do it, or to allow these things given the understanding that any promises or bets made during mafia game can never be collected.. The problem is that I just don't find wifom over seals/promises/bets particularly entertaining. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
This is pretty dumb. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:48 GreYMisT wrote: Did someone really think that gumshoe was gambling their life? Who on earth would believe, in only written word, that I swear on my life I'm town, means anything at all? To assume it does means that you actually believe that if he is not town, we have a right to go over to his house and kill him. This is pretty dumb. Gum could come in here, but I find it particularly hard to believe that Gum would ever make that claim when he did, how he did as scum. I've played with gum some and I can't read him the best, but I find it very hard to believe he would ever make that claim as scum. In fact, it was pretty much the primary reason for why I thought he was town (Steve being scum helped too though). Bottom line I think it's different; other people disagree. I do agree with Palmer that this type of behavior should be curbed in the future. Me personally, I'll do anything to win. I'd post my towny seal as scum if I thought I had "earned it." But whatevs. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
We see the symptom, which is people becoming conftown or whatever due to these weird tells, and think the problem is people posting them as town. That's not the problem, just the symptom. The underlying cause of this problem is that people aren't willing to post "I swear on my grandfather's grave that I am town" as scum. It's not that they can't or something, they just choose not to. They choose not to play their hardest as scum. They choose not to do anything, ANYTHING to win. That's the issue here, it's scumplay, not townplay, that's broken. Moral of the story, what gumshoe did is fine, if you guys really think that's a towntell, then wait until he posts it as scum and prepare to be amazed, i guess? I hope we can change in the direction of "people as scum aren't afraid of appeals to emotion" this stuff needs to be wifom, not "meta" or "conftown". no more starsenses or seals, not because you can't post them, but because you post them as scum too. play to win as scum! there is no honor in loss, only victory. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:58 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think the behaviour should be curbed, I think we should just ignore it and be willing to use it as scum. If it turned out the guy was scum and not town we wouldn't be having this discussion. The problem is that people are truthfully saying "this is a statement I would only make as town"-- they say things not that they wouldn't think of or wouldn't be sly enough to say as scum, but things they wouldn't WANT to say as scum, because of some weird reasons unrelated to winning the game. We see the symptom, which is people becoming conftown or whatever due to these weird tells, and think the problem is people posting them as town. That's not the problem, just the symptom. The underlying cause of this problem is that people aren't willing to post "I swear on my grandfather's grave that I am town" as scum. It's not that they can't or something, they just choose not to. They choose not to play their hardest as scum. They choose not to do anything, ANYTHING to win. That's the issue here, it's scumplay, not townplay, that's broken. Moral of the story, what gumshoe did is fine, if you guys really think that's a towntell, then wait until he posts it as scum and prepare to be amazed, i guess? I hope we can change in the direction of "people as scum aren't afraid of appeals to emotion" this stuff needs to be wifom, not "meta" or "conftown". no more starsenses or seals, not because you can't post them, but because you post them as scum too. play to win as scum! there is no honor in loss, only victory. So say we all. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
In all seriousness, I did what I did because I was frustrated and didn't want to go down like a bitch. Perhaps those aren't the best reasons but thats just what they were. Was it unsportsmanlike? Yes, would I do it in the future considering the damage it caused? No, I would not. In all honesty though, if it had been someone else who had done it, I would not have cared in the slightest. I would simply note that they are capable of that for future refrence / : when you get down to it this is a game of lies. Provided the lies are not grievously offensive, I dont see the point in picking at which lies are appropriate and which are not. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:58 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think the behaviour should be curbed, I think we should just ignore it and be willing to use it as scum. If it turned out the guy was scum and not town we wouldn't be having this discussion. The problem is that people are truthfully saying "this is a statement I would only make as town"-- they say things not that they wouldn't think of or wouldn't be sly enough to say as scum, but things they wouldn't WANT to say as scum, because of some weird reasons unrelated to winning the game. We see the symptom, which is people becoming conftown or whatever due to these weird tells, and think the problem is people posting them as town. That's not the problem, just the symptom. The underlying cause of this problem is that people aren't willing to post "I swear on my grandfather's grave that I am town" as scum. It's not that they can't or something, they just choose not to. They choose not to play their hardest as scum. They choose not to do anything, ANYTHING to win. That's the issue here, it's scumplay, not townplay, that's broken. Moral of the story, what gumshoe did is fine, if you guys really think that's a towntell, then wait until he posts it as scum and prepare to be amazed, i guess? I hope we can change in the direction of "people as scum aren't afraid of appeals to emotion" this stuff needs to be wifom, not "meta" or "conftown". no more starsenses or seals, not because you can't post them, but because you post them as scum too. play to win as scum! there is no honor in loss, only victory. The problem with this is that people actually don't do this. I do this, (although the other version. I never promise I'm town, I never make excuses for being afk etc etc, there is nothing I do as town that I don't do as scum). But seeing as people roll town in like 75% of games or something, it's really tempting to just take the loss as mafia and hope your team carries you. That's basically what Coag does and other people who try this kinda thing. I wish everyone thought like you on this BH, problem is they don't  | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:48 GreYMisT wrote: Did someone really think that gumshoe was gambling their life? Who on earth would believe, in only written word, that I swear on my life I'm town, means anything at all? To assume it does means that you actually believe that if he is not town, we have a right to go over to his house and kill him. This is pretty dumb. That's not the point. No one thought that. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
"omg he said he swears on his life omg thats not fair" | ||
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