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Message GMarshal if you request a ban please ^_^ Also when the game you're sitting out is over! ~GMarshal | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
e: alright, that wasn't as appropriate as it should have been. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
It is a really lame pun. Really really lame. Embarrasingly so. Isn't that punishment enough? Dno what you are thinking with this BH, TBH Like the word Gay is not even a curse word or offensive at all. It is a legitimate word with legitimate meanings of which exactly zero are negative gay [gey] adjective, gay·er, gay·est. 1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex; homosexual: a gay couple. 2. of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization. 3. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. Synonyms: cheerful, gleeful, happy, glad, cheery, lighthearted, joyous, joyful, jovial; sunny, lively, vivacious, sparkling; chipper, playful, jaunty, sprightly, blithe. Antonyms: serious, grave, solemn, joyless; staid, sedate; unhappy, morose, grim; sad, depressed, melancholy. 4. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. Synonyms: colorful, brilliant, vivid, intense, lustrous; glittering, theatrical, flamboyant. Antonyms: dull, drab, somber, lackluster; conservative. Dunno why something to do with homosexuality and or being happy/merry is offensive at all. Is it bad to be homosexual? no. Is it bad to be happy? no. So what exactly is the problem with kush saying someone was either; A.) Homosexually from keyboard. or B.) Merrily and Jovially from keyboard How are either offensive at all? Further, how does the word 'Gay' fit the warning for bad language when it is not, in fact, a curse word? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On February 25 2014 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: words BH got dunkd | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
There are legit arguments for not banning. but an argument from from a dictionary is not | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On February 25 2014 10:46 Blazinghand wrote: DP gay is often used as an insult the fact that it is used as an insult is bad we discourage that I'm sure that you are aware of all facts I just stated. you're ont fooling anyone. There are legit arguments for not banning. but an argument from from a dictionary is not If you think being called gay is insulting then THAT is homophobic. Being called gay is like being called a tree. Am I a tree? no. Am I offended that someone thinks I am a tree? no. Right. It's not good or bad, it just is. Gay being used or perceived as an insult is a relic from a past less 'tolerant' time in history (Tangent : tolerance as a word implies people dissimilar to the mean being 'tolerated' THAT is offensive to me) At this point I think we can all be grown ups and accept that being called gay is not an insult at all, Just as being called straight or a tree is not an insult at all. And as the warning was for bad language and the word used clearly does not fall under that category the ban request makes no sense. If the warning had been 'please don't use words that describe a particular sexuality' then this would make sense but the warning was not to use bad language. The word gay is not bad language. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
But as I said before, what kush said still wasn't offensive. Intent etc. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
But really just read the first line for this thread. It's like politics or religion nobody wins | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
Edit: Actually that is not entirely true, they say stuff like 'gay fuck'. But in that case I would argue that the offensive word is 'fuck' and not 'gay'. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + interesting. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Gay being used or perceived as an insult is a relic from a past less 'tolerant' time in history (Tangent : tolerance as a word implies people dissimilar to the mean being 'tolerated' THAT is offensive to me) If a word is used pejoratively, it really doesn't matter what the word is. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
This is not this difficult to understand. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Humans are NOT good at compartmentalizing things or thinking logically. We're not good at reading something, thinking "this is false/fiction" and then subconsciously categorizing things as false. Our brains are sloppy and thoughts bleed into each other. When you use "gay" to mean "bad" (as kush did) it causes you, and people who read it, to become slightly more primed for thinking poorly of gay people. This holds even if you don't think gay people are bad. We can't filter out false information unless we're reading and thinking methodologically. Even slight perturbation gets us. http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~dtg/Gilbert et al (EVERYTHING YOU READ).pdf Gilbert, Krull, and Malone (1993) back up my statement. Subjects were exposed to false information about person, labeled as such. When under pressure or with limited time, subjects subsequently believed the false information and used it to make consequential decisions about the target. Subjects, by comprehending information, believed it and couldn't unbelieve it. When you are repeatedly exposed to something tangentially, like say people using the word "gay" as an insult, you are not able to compartmentalize this usage of the word "gay" as separate from how it is used to address homosexual people. You certainly won't go saying to yourself "well, I used gay as an insult so now I hate gay people" but as a general rule, over the long haul, having "gay=evil/bad/undesireable" used constantly, you will develop that association. This is why you shouldn't groups of people titles as homonyms for insults. It is bad. If we were perfect at cognition, it would not be bad, but we are pretty shitty at cognition, so it is a bad idea. That is why, when I say "gay was used as an insult", I'm not saying that gay SHOULD be used as an insult, I'm just stating a fact about what happened. Kush was NOT complimenting the AFK players for their happiness, nor was he commenting literally about their sexuality. He was using the word gay as an insult, which is bad. It is bad to do that. I feel like this should be obvious and I shouldn't have to go find research to demonstrate why this is the case but hey you learn something new every day. Look, we can be a forum that is okay with this or a forum that is not okay with this, that's up to you guys. I thought we were cracking down on this kind of thing since the reason the newbie games are filling up more slowly is our well-deserves reputation for being horrible to each other. I'll warn and modkill for this stuff in my games, other than that, ball's in your court EDIT: On February 22 2014 23:12 VIVAX420 wrote: lol rayn On February 22 2014 23:13 VIVAX420 wrote: cant bleive you are bitching about mocsta when you 100% gayfked I think it should be very clear from this context that VIVAX420 didn't add "gay" to his phrasing in order to do anything but insult, perturb, be aggressive. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On February 25 2014 11:18 marvellosity wrote: right, but if you call someone a black fuck, that's pretty racist right? even though black isn't a bad word. the point being that sexuality is used as a weapon of discrimination. anyway that's heading pretty far offtopic because that's not what happened here, but trying to pretend that the word gay is all lovely and dandy and we magically live in some world where scores of countries don't torture, imprison, execute, intimidate *legally* based on their sexuality and many western countries don't still have full equality... that's just wishful thinking. In reference to If a word is used pejoratively, it really doesn't matter what the word is. Yeah I agree with that. When I spoke of it as a relic of the past I meant a past in which being called gay on it's own was a deathly insult with real life consequences for your reputation and sometimes your life ( due to imprisonment etc.) Which is fortunately no longer the case in Australia. But the point is that now days, on it's own, the word 'gay' is not a curse word or bad language. And to use it in such a way requires other words that are CLEARLY bad language. Kush didn't use any of those words when he said 'gay' Gay on it's own is not offensive or a curse word. Kush used gay on it's own. He is banned for bad language when he did not use bad language. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On February 25 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote: Edit: Actually that is not entirely true, they say stuff like 'gay fuck'. But in that case I would argue that the offensive word is 'fuck' and not 'gay'. Is that a term you would shorten to "gayfk" if you were feeling lazy while typing? :3 | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On February 25 2014 11:24 Blazinghand wrote: Look, since you have apparently never interacted with humans before DP let me lay it out for you: Humans are NOT good at compartmentalizing things or thinking logically. We're not good at reading something, thinking "this is false/fiction" and then subconsciously categorizing things as false. Our brains are sloppy and thoughts bleed into each other. When you use "gay" to mean "bad" (as kush did) it causes you, and people who read it, to become slightly more primed for thinking poorly of gay people. This holds even if you don't think gay people are bad. We can't filter out false information unless we're reading and thinking methodologically. Even slight perturbation gets us. http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~dtg/Gilbert et al (EVERYTHING YOU READ).pdf Gilbert, Krull, and Malone (1993) back up my statement. Subjects were exposed to false information about person, labeled as such. When under pressure or with limited time, subjects subsequently believed the false information and used it to make consequential decisions about the target. Subjects, by comprehending information, believed it and couldn't unbelieve it. When you are repeatedly exposed to something tangentially, like say people using the word "gay" as an insult, you are not able to compartmentalize this usage of the word "gay" as separate from how it is used to address homosexual people. You certainly won't go saying to yourself "well, I used gay as an insult so now I hate gay people" but as a general rule, over the long haul, having "gay=evil/bad/undesireable" used constantly, you will develop that association. This is why you shouldn't groups of people titles as homonyms for insults. It is bad. If we were perfect at cognition, it would not be bad, but we are pretty shitty at cognition, so it is a bad idea. That is why, when I say "gay was used as an insult", I'm not saying that gay SHOULD be used as an insult, I'm just stating a fact about what happened. Kush was NOT complimenting the AFK players for their happiness, nor was he commenting literally about their sexuality. He was using the word gay as an insult, which is bad. It is bad to do that. I feel like this should be obvious and I shouldn't have to go find research to demonstrate why this is the case but hey you learn something new every day. Look, we can be a forum that is okay with this or a forum that is not okay with this, that's up to you guys. I thought we were cracking down on this kind of thing since the reason the newbie games are filling up more slowly is our well-deserves reputation for being horrible to each other. I'll warn and modkill for this stuff in my games, other than that, ball's in your court GM. Maybe it is a cultural difference then Blazinghand, because I haven't formed this: "gay=evil/bad/undesirable" association. To me the word gay is the same as the word straight, It's just a sexual preference and is quite meaningless in terms of being positive or negative. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On February 25 2014 11:30 DarthPunk wrote: Maybe it is a cultural difference then Blazinghand, because I haven't formed this: "gay=evil/bad/undesirable" association. To me the word gay is the same as the word straight, It's just a sexual preference and is quite meaningless in terms of being positive or negative. If VIVAX420 was in fact talking about sexual preference or happiness and was not at all attempting to use gay in a negative connotation, then I do not think he should be banned. I suppose in my part of the country/world there is much more homophobia and I'm far more used to people calling each other gay in a negative fashion; it could be I was mistaken and VIVAX420 had some other reason for adding gay. I would be very surprised if that were the case, but I'll keep my mind open to the possibility. On February 25 2014 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i use gay=bad. because gay is bad to me. because im not gay. ?? I'm sorry, I don't understand if you're being sarcastic or not, since internet. Did you really not mean gay to be bad in that post? Why did you add "gay" to "afk" in your otherwise aggressive post? | ||
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