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gay [gey]
adjective, gay·er, gay·est.
1.
of, pertaining to, or exhibiting sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex; homosexual: a gay couple.
2.
of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.
3.
having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. Synonyms: cheerful, gleeful, happy, glad, cheery, lighthearted, joyous, joyful, jovial; sunny, lively, vivacious, sparkling; chipper, playful, jaunty, sprightly, blithe. Antonyms: serious, grave, solemn, joyless; staid, sedate; unhappy, morose, grim; sad, depressed, melancholy.
4.
bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. Synonyms: colorful, brilliant, vivid, intense, lustrous; glittering, theatrical, flamboyant. Antonyms: dull, drab, somber, lackluster; conservative.

On February 25 2014 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
words

On February 25 2014 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
DP gay is often used as an insult the fact that it is used as an insult is bad we discourage that I'm sure that you are aware of all facts I just stated. you're ont fooling anyone.

There are legit arguments for not banning. but an argument from from a dictionary is not

Gay being used or perceived as an insult is a relic from a past less 'tolerant' time in history (Tangent : tolerance as a word implies people dissimilar to the mean being 'tolerated' THAT is offensive to me)

On February 22 2014 23:12 VIVAX420 wrote:
lol rayn

On February 22 2014 23:13 VIVAX420 wrote:
cant bleive you are bitching about mocsta when you 100% gayfked

On February 25 2014 11:18 marvellosity wrote:
right, but if you call someone a black fuck, that's pretty racist right? even though black isn't a bad word. the point being that sexuality is used as a weapon of discrimination. anyway that's heading pretty far offtopic because that's not what happened here, but trying to pretend that the word gay is all lovely and dandy and we magically live in some world where scores of countries don't torture, imprison, execute, intimidate *legally* based on their sexuality and many western countries don't still have full equality... that's just wishful thinking. In reference to

If a word is used pejoratively, it really doesn't matter what the word is.

On February 25 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Edit: Actually that is not entirely true, they say stuff like 'gay fuck'. But in that case I would argue that the offensive word is 'fuck' and not 'gay'.

On February 25 2014 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, since you have apparently never interacted with humans before DP let me lay it out for you:

Humans are NOT good at compartmentalizing things or thinking logically. We're not good at reading something, thinking "this is false/fiction" and then subconsciously categorizing things as false. Our brains are sloppy and thoughts bleed into each other. When you use "gay" to mean "bad" (as kush did) it causes you, and people who read it, to become slightly more primed for thinking poorly of gay people. This holds even if you don't think gay people are bad. We can't filter out false information unless we're reading and thinking methodologically. Even slight perturbation gets us.

http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~dtg/Gilbert et al (EVERYTHING YOU READ).pdf
Gilbert, Krull, and Malone (1993) back up my statement. Subjects were exposed to false information about person, labeled as such. When under pressure or with limited time, subjects subsequently believed the false information and used it to make consequential decisions about the target. Subjects, by comprehending information, believed it and couldn't unbelieve it.

When you are repeatedly exposed to something tangentially, like say people using the word "gay" as an insult, you are not able to compartmentalize this usage of the word "gay" as separate from how it is used to address homosexual people. You certainly won't go saying to yourself "well, I used gay as an insult so now I hate gay people" but as a general rule, over the long haul, having "gay=evil/bad/undesireable" used constantly, you will develop that association.

This is why you shouldn't groups of people titles as homonyms for insults. It is bad. If we were perfect at cognition, it would not be bad, but we are pretty shitty at cognition, so it is a bad idea.

That is why, when I say "gay was used as an insult", I'm not saying that gay SHOULD be used as an insult, I'm just stating a fact about what happened. Kush was NOT complimenting the AFK players for their happiness, nor was he commenting literally about their sexuality. He was using the word gay as an insult, which is bad. It is bad to do that. I feel like this should be obvious and I shouldn't have to go find research to demonstrate why this is the case but hey you learn something new every day.

Look, we can be a forum that is okay with this or a forum that is not okay with this, that's up to you guys. I thought we were cracking down on this kind of thing since the reason the newbie games are filling up more slowly is our well-deserves reputation for being horrible to each other. I'll warn and modkill for this stuff in my games, other than that, ball's in your court GM.

On February 25 2014 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:


Maybe it is a cultural difference then Blazinghand, because I haven't formed this: "gay=evil/bad/undesirable" association.

To me the word gay is the same as the word straight, It's just a sexual preference and is quite meaningless in terms of being positive or negative.

On February 25 2014 11:31 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah i use gay=bad. because gay is bad to me. because im not gay. ??