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Message GMarshal if you request a ban please ^_^

Also when the game you're sitting out is over!
~GMarshal
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 24 2014 19:30 GMT
#741
BH, I'm not even justifying what I did, cause that wasn't me. So I don't care if I have been wronged or not, and if I can do that or not, cause I don't say such stuff anyway.

But you gotta understand that kush comes from a time with other standards, like me, we grew the thick skin you needed not to tilt at 100000 insults, and now it looks like you get banned for something that isn't even an insult.

If at least you had to make a point, you made it now, but give your pretty extreme stance switch in modding some time to ripe for players who come from a rougher environment.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 24 2014 19:55 GMT
#742
I don't think anyone aside from Blazinghand really found Kush's in-game language offensive? It's always up to the hosts but I think the moderation in this case was rather extreme.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 24 2014 20:00 GMT
#743
On February 25 2014 04:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think anyone aside from Blazinghand really found Kush's in-game language offensive? It's always up to the hosts but I think the moderation in this case was rather extreme.

That's the exact point though. moderation (in BH's opinion at least) needs to be stricter and so BH is being stricter about it in his games.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 24 2014 20:15 GMT
#744
On February 25 2014 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 04:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think anyone aside from Blazinghand really found Kush's in-game language offensive? It's always up to the hosts but I think the moderation in this case was rather extreme.

That's the exact point though. moderation (in BH's opinion at least) needs to be stricter and so BH is being stricter about it in his games.

My personal, fairly unimportant opinion on this would be that BH is free to do so in his games, but unless the OP specifically states that he expects markedly different and clean language from all players (which I checked and it didn't), he shouldn't be pursuing supplemental punishment for cases like this that other hosts wouldn't necessarily be taking in-game action on. In-game modkill is understandable and ENTIRELY his prerogative. Out-of-game punishment (aka here) probably needs a more blatant disregard for rules presented in the OP or a more blatant and intentional disregard for in-game warnings.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18100 Posts
February 24 2014 20:33 GMT
#745
On February 25 2014 05:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 25 2014 04:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think anyone aside from Blazinghand really found Kush's in-game language offensive? It's always up to the hosts but I think the moderation in this case was rather extreme.

That's the exact point though. moderation (in BH's opinion at least) needs to be stricter and so BH is being stricter about it in his games.

My personal, fairly unimportant opinion on this would be that BH is free to do so in his games, but unless the OP specifically states that he expects markedly different and clean language from all players (which I checked and it didn't), he shouldn't be pursuing supplemental punishment for cases like this that other hosts wouldn't necessarily be taking in-game action on. In-game modkill is understandable and ENTIRELY his prerogative. Out-of-game punishment (aka here) probably needs a more blatant disregard for rules presented in the OP or a more blatant and intentional disregard for in-game warnings.

He gave an explicit warning, didn't he? He warned about language and then modkilled for it?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 20:33 GMT
#746
On February 25 2014 05:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 25 2014 04:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think anyone aside from Blazinghand really found Kush's in-game language offensive? It's always up to the hosts but I think the moderation in this case was rather extreme.

That's the exact point though. moderation (in BH's opinion at least) needs to be stricter and so BH is being stricter about it in his games.

My personal, fairly unimportant opinion on this would be that BH is free to do so in his games, but unless the OP specifically states that he expects markedly different and clean language from all players (which I checked and it didn't), he shouldn't be pursuing supplemental punishment for cases like this that other hosts wouldn't necessarily be taking in-game action on. In-game modkill is understandable and ENTIRELY his prerogative. Out-of-game punishment (aka here) probably needs a more blatant disregard for rules presented in the OP or a more blatant and intentional disregard for in-game warnings.


Does this not cover it? It's from BH's OP:

Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.

As a general guideline: Stuff like "this argument is dumb because XYZ" is fine. Stuff like "you are doing ABC, which is dumb" or "you're dumb because you do ABC, and ABC is dumb" is fine. Stuff like "you're dumb. lolooloooo" is not fine. Insults and abrasive play happen, but it must all be oriented towards trying to win the game. Don't be that guy. The main thing is: don't insult for the purpose of insulting only. I'm very verbal about people getting out of line, so if you cross the line I will let you know. I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia for 10 people and 4 hosts just to modkill someone.

ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 24 2014 20:43 GMT
#747
GM saaaaave us
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 24 2014 20:46 GMT
#748
Nah, I don't think that the warning in the OP or in the thread were enough to clearly indicate to kush that what he posted was grounds for modkill or ban. And as such, I think that a modkill is acceptable because it's the host that decides what is modkillable ultimately, but a ban seems less reasonable because to me bans revolve more (although not entirely) around player's intentions.

If I get modkilled for inactivity because I gave up on a game, I deserve a ban. If I get modkilled for inactivity after requesting a replacement and providing a perfectly good reason for being unable to play, I don't deserve a ban IMO despite both resulting in a modkill and there being no difference to how badly I'm ruining the game.

However, I'm really really honestly not going to argue this because it isn't too important to me.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 24 2014 20:53 GMT
#749
yeah I actually agree with Grack and Sn0.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 24 2014 20:55 GMT
#750
intentional behavior notwithstanding, I feel that the disregard for mod warnings would suffice for 'grounds to ban'
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
February 24 2014 20:59 GMT
#751
i didn't disregard any warnings. i didn't realize "gayfk"would be violation of that warning.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18100 Posts
February 24 2014 21:11 GMT
#752
On February 25 2014 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
i didn't disregard any warnings. i didn't realize "gayfk"would be violation of that warning.

That's a fair point. We should just ban you for using "gayfk" in the first place, though! :D
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 21:20:00
February 24 2014 21:19 GMT
#753
Kush, pleading ignorance wouldn't cut it in the real world and shouldn't be an acceptable defense in this case. You knew you were warned and made a comment that could be construed as over the line. I can concede that it was asking a lot to suddenly ask you to curb your way of typing into a more acceptable manner but you were warned and ultimately failed to adhere to the posting restrictions laid out by the host. Your loss at that point. If we neglect to uphold the rules as set by the hosts, why do I need to accept when they tell me X Player was lynched? I can just rage and say no Player Y was lynched. Also Player Y was scum so town wins yay \ - - /
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
February 24 2014 21:21 GMT
#754
hopeless i did not realize gayfk would even be close to crossing the line.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 24 2014 21:23 GMT
#755
nevertheless, it was crossing the line according to BH. I don't think it was an unreasonable thing to modkill you over considering you were warned. Was it strict? Yes, absolutely, but that is the entire point of this exercise. The authority of the host needs to be held paramount regarding moderation decisions within their own game.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 21:25 GMT
#756
On February 25 2014 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
i didn't disregard any warnings. i didn't realize "gayfk"would be violation of that warning.

That was towards me right? I don't take offense from things like that based purely on myself being a badmouth.
Also "gayfk" is pretty rofl and i don't think why that would be offending anyone.
table for two on a tv tray
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 24 2014 22:52 GMT
#757
This is almost like a typical TL town bantering about before mislynching some poor schmuck over me
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 24 2014 22:53 GMT
#758
On February 25 2014 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
i didn't disregard any warnings. i didn't realize "gayfk"would be violation of that warning.

That was towards me right? I don't take offense from things like that based purely on myself being a badmouth.
Also "gayfk" is pretty rofl and i don't think why that would be offending anyone.

Thats only acceptable cos you kept hitting on me in IRC !
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 25 2014 01:02 GMT
#759
according to general social etiquette kushs guilt or innocence hinges on the identity of his sexual orientation. If kush is gay it is considered socially acceptable for him to use the term "gayfk" without offending anyone.

KUSH the easiest way for you to dismiss these charges would be to provide photographic evidence that you are in fact gay and post it in the ban list. perhaps find a guy and ask to suck his dick ( i mean it cant be that hard to find a dick to suck right?? Who doesnt like to get their dick sucked??) and take a picture. that will show them banlist conspirators they are out of line and clear your name.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 25 2014 01:05 GMT
#760
On February 25 2014 10:02 Coagulation wrote:
according to general social etiquette kushs guilt or innocence hinges on the identity of his sexual orientation. If kush is gay it is considered socially acceptable for him to use the term "gayfk" without offending anyone.

KUSH the easiest way for you to dismiss these charges would be to provide photographic evidence that you are in fact gay and post it in the ban list. perhaps find a guy and ask to suck his dick ( i mean it cant be that hard to find a dick to suck right?? Who doesnt like to get their dick sucked??) and take a picture. that will show them banlist conspirators they are out of line and clear your name.


The flaw with your plan is if he says "no homo" before hand, then it's not gay. Since we'll have no proof this did not happen, I submit that we cannot accept it as evidence.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
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