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On September 16 2013 13:29 Old Partner wrote:
And of course whining about it doesn't help me, since people voting me on policy would need to be seriously convinced about PS/DB to unvote, and QQ isn't gonna do that. Bleagh. I guess I should see if I could convince you grack.
tell me about your PS/DB read. and your reason for voting me.
Debears has been pro-town all game long
Your breadcrumb for being survivor wasn't up to normal BH standards and S&B may have even somehow inexplicably found your actual SK breadcrumb.
I do not believe there has ever before been a game on TL with 2 survivors and 15 players.
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On September 16 2013 13:39 Old Partner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 13:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2013 13:29 Old Partner wrote:
And of course whining about it doesn't help me, since people voting me on policy would need to be seriously convinced about PS/DB to unvote, and QQ isn't gonna do that. Bleagh. I guess I should see if I could convince you grack.
tell me about your PS/DB read. and your reason for voting me. Debears has been pro-town all game long Your breadcrumb for being survivor wasn't up to normal BH standards and S&B may have even somehow inexplicably found your actual SK breadcrumb. I do not believe there has ever before been a game on TL with 2 survivors and 15 players. You say debears has been pro-town all game long. Are you referring to his activity levels, his choice of target, his ability / willingness to convince other players, how he's affected town atmosphere, what reads he has had, or some other metric? If I were SK, I would have claimed Vigilante. It's really that simple. Hell, if I were SK, I would claim SK and use my shots for the "good of the town" and try to get into a kingmaker scenario. I sure wouldn't claim survivor. Your statement about the previous setups of 15-player games on TL is true, but I have been in many closed set games that were first-of-their-kinds on TL. It's not a strong argument for my survivorhood, but you can't OUTRIGHT dismiss the possibility.
Pretty much everything about him reads town to me right now, he was on the same page as me all game long and from what I can recall he brought up lots of the same points as me at the same time. I disagree with Koshi, He is one of the few people in the game who I actually do feel is analyzing, Sure activity level is a + as well.
I am actually getting very suspicious of the sn0 man at this point. On a further reread he spent most of the day sheeping my analysis and now with Pandain's recent posting it looks like both my reads on Blub and Pandain were wrong. His opinion on Rayn looks off to me for some reason and I can't explain why yet. Just control F rayn and look through his filter. I don't know.
I completely forgot that this guy was even in the game and his recent disappearance doesn't help his case.
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BH, are you somebody that is able to get a good read on Oats?
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On September 16 2013 16:35 Old Partner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 16:34 Grackaroni wrote:
BH, are you somebody that is able to get a good read on Oats? yes but there's no reason for me to do so, we can't get him lynched today. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 16:34 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 16:33 Old Partner wrote:
Not that I PARTICULARLY care but given the unique mixture of shitstorm and lurk that's happened today because you guys are lynching me... I'd say town is pretty fucked lol FEARMONGERING Honestly this would still be true if we lynched PS/DB, even assuming he flips scum.
I don't give a shit if "we can get him lynched today" I want to know what he alignment he is. Everybody claims that they have an easy time reading Oats and I don't know how to read him.
If you really want to survive the lynch you should start helping town. It's so obvious but you just aren't getting it for some reason. Why would town want to leave you alive if you are openly going to try to convince town into lynching someone you don't believe is scum in order to save yourself.
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Don't even write a case on oats. just tell me what you think his alignment is and give me a short reason why you think it.
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On September 16 2013 16:43 Old Partner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 16:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Don't even write a case on oats. just tell me what you think his alignment is and give me a short reason why you think it. You really think I would respond to this with anything other than "hurr durr I think everyone but PS/DB is town" look, I'll leave town a little cookie for after I flip: Zealos is at this moment the player most likely to flip scum. But you don't see me pushing him, cause I want to LIVE. I win by LIVING.
lol yes, I would have thought you would respond to this with something besides that.
I know you think Zealos is scum you said it earlier. I want reads on other players. I don't care if you want us to believe you are survivor by continuously posting that you will try to convince people to vote for people regardless if you think they are scummy. Personally I'm never going to believe that you are survivor, but if you want to have any possible glimmer of hope of surviving this lynch you will give me your real opinions on players, not the "I agree, let's lynch Debears because he isn't me."
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On September 16 2013 17:09 Koshi wrote:
@grack.
I have played a shitton with Oats lately. Nuclear Winter Mafia, Titanic, Persona, Aperture and now this game.
What do you want to know?
Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him.
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On September 16 2013 17:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 17:14 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2013 17:09 Koshi wrote:
@grack.
I have played a shitton with Oats lately. Nuclear Winter Mafia, Titanic, Persona, Aperture and now this game.
What do you want to know? Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him. They told me this: If Oats is agressive and in your face he is town. If Oats is passive and shifty he is scum. He was pretty passive and evasive in NWM in which he was scum with me. Not the biggest help to the scumteam. Are there examples that you need to have to form an opinion about him? What bothers you about him this game?
I disagree with a lot of his posts and a lot of his ideas. but I would describe him as aggressive and in my face this game rather than passive and shifty.
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On September 16 2013 17:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 17:29 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2013 17:27 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 17:14 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2013 17:09 Koshi wrote:
@grack.
I have played a shitton with Oats lately. Nuclear Winter Mafia, Titanic, Persona, Aperture and now this game.
What do you want to know? Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him. They told me this: If Oats is agressive and in your face he is town. If Oats is passive and shifty he is scum. He was pretty passive and evasive in NWM in which he was scum with me. Not the biggest help to the scumteam. Are there examples that you need to have to form an opinion about him? What bothers you about him this game? I disagree with a lot of his posts and a lot of his ideas. but I would describe him as aggressive and in my face this game rather than passive and shifty. Yeah, I really think he is town because of his meta. + I also think that PS is scum so I really don't have problems with Oats. What do you think about VA? My main problem with VA: Except for the start for this game VA doesn't take hard stances on people. His hard defence on SnB was interesting, his vote on blubb was cool but after that he is really not doing anything anymore. VA comments too many times on things between x/y with "I am pretty sure one of x/y is scum", which is something I don't remember VA doing. Most of the time he has some sort of interesting conclusion or he is way more certain about somebody being scum than this. Like I said before. I have been x/y too many times in VA his little "reads" that VA must think I am scum and that my counterparts must be town. But for some reason we all keep being scum...
I have never played with Vayne before so I don't know if he ususally does the I'm pretty sure x/y is scum. But I agree that vayne is scummy. He just hasn't been here for town at all lately, I think he made a play to grab early town cred by making a case on blubbdavid and then when people started to write him off as town he got lazy and completely stopped analyzing the game.
That's actually a great catch on the lack of hard stances as well. For somebody who walked into the game absolutely confident somebody is town you would think he would have some new ones.
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On September 16 2013 17:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Seems like the red smurf is not answering. But partly why I think PS is scum.
When he was still smurfing. (And this only lasted for 3 pages lol)
1) He was easy to read. Nice pressure on Vayne + SnB.
2) He started asking questions about Kush to VA. While Kush had said nothing at all. This wouldn't be a problem if Mr smurf didn't know who Kush was, but surprise surprise, 200 posts later he is still on Kush.
So now I want to know if Debears can really read Kush. If he can't, he is scum.
and because I think Kush is town ---> Debears is likely scum. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote:
Then there is the fact that PS quality of posts when he is talking set-up speculation (see his post about the NK) or his defense of the kush case is way better and readable than his scumhunting posts. You can read that he has interesting ideas, there is some level of smartness coming from it.
The one-line scumhunting is just being agressive and there is nothing smart to read behind his scumhunt posts. (Early in the game he had smart questions to VA, now it is just bad questions.) The big post he did before Day 2 was really bad and everybody ended up with a scumread. "this I like about you" "this I don't like about you"
I am pretty sure he knew that post was so shitty he didn't bother formatting it better. Grack your opinion on this?
I need a sec to look over some of the other points you are saying but I can understand him being suspicious of Kushm4sta before Kush came in and started using his meta because he kept promising to do things and then never followed through. It's possble that after that there might be some confirmation bias coming out because all Kush did was come in with a meta case against him, which wasn't even that good.
There was times when I would have considered Kushm4sta scum if it wasn't for the fact that I was so convinced that Zealos and Pandain were mafia and they both had their votes on the kushm4sta. Now I'm leaning town just from the fact that he seems to be looking into people's meta and trying to solve the game in the way that I think he scumhunts. Honestly Kushm4sta didn't have to do anything at this point because he's developed a reputation for being useless as either alignment, so if he was scum he probably could have gotten away with continuing to be useless.
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I think as scum Kushm4sta would want town to believe that he is going to be useful, and him not having followed through made him look scummy
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Actually I do see something off in Debears big reads post. It seems like he has a lot of reasoning to believe that Vayne is scum and ended up with a slight town read on him for some reason.
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Hooray for collaboration! Together we may actually be able to solve this game KoshI!!!!
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On September 16 2013 18:22 Old Partner wrote:
>mfw koshi grack PS/DB Pandain scumteam and everyone i've been talking to today has been freaking scum just yanking my chain
lmao, if that was the scum team this game would already be over. those are like the 4 most active and influential people in the game right now (maybe rayn)... just not really how the game works.
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On September 17 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats how do you feel about;
Sno, SnB, Vayne?
Hey Rayn, I think I remember reading you saying in a different game that the first RB claim is almost always town. Why do you completely disregard that for this game?
Do you believe that somehow a town RB was used on S&B or that mafia chose not to use their n1 RB? Both scenarios seem pretty unlikely.
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On September 17 2013 05:29 kushm4sta wrote:
op i think your reads are pretty shitty!
that was not a scumslip. possibly a scum mindgame but overall should be a null tell imo
And you, did you look at the game of mine you asked for? I find it hard to believe that you can read that game and then come back with the conclusion that I am scum when you correctly recognized my play in GoT where I looked much scummier than this game.
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On September 17 2013 05:37 kushm4sta wrote:
still waiting for panda's last scumgame
Actually I would be interested in that as well. I tried looking and the only scum game I found was this really weird clue game where hosts left clues in the night posts and player talked about nothing but clues. Wasn't really helpful lol.
@Umasi: It's not actually a scum slip. Mafia are much more careful before posting than town so the chance of a mafia player "accidentally mistaking posting in the thread what they want to post in the QT" just never happens
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Wow I had no idea that thread existed
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On September 17 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:On September 17 2013 05:37 kushm4sta wrote:
still waiting for panda's last scumgame Actually I would be interested in that as well. I tried looking and the only scum game I found was this really weird clue game where hosts left clues in the night posts and player talked about nothing but clues. Wasn't really helpful lol. @Umasi: It's not actually a scum slip. Mafia are much more careful before posting than town so the chance of a mafia player "accidentally mistaking posting in the thread what they want to post in the QT" just never happens Don't be so sure. Remember Acrofales claiming voterigger in our mason QT in RED?
that's sooooo different lol. There's a big difference between not realizing the QT you are posting is not actually the mafia QT and thinking you are posting in the mafia QT while looking at the game thread.
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BH mafia flip is sweet, shouldn't be too difficult of a game from here on out. I haven't actually slept in over 32 hours right now, and I will not be able to post again until near the end of night2. I don't have it in me right now to re-examine closely after the flip but If anyone wants to ask me any questions before I sleep l can stay here for a little bit.
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