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On August 29 2013 08:11 Sn0_Man wrote: So, idle speculation here: We have heathen mongrels and Unfaithful Worms mentioned in the daypost. 2 scum teams? I doubt it.
I do feel there is most likely at least one third party, due to this line from the OP On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Third parties have their own victory conditions. | ||
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On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation. | ||
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On August 29 2013 09:03 Hopeless1der wrote: sciberbia, was my explanation for voting TK serious enough? "/sheep oats" was not, but I did appreciate your follow-up explanation, and I agree that TK's thought process is difficult to follow from a town perspective. @Tutankoopa Please explain your thought process this game with regards to rayn's alignment. Specifically, why did you pose a series of questions to him, and why did you then deem those questions as unworthy of answering? Did you think he might be scum because of the 'stunt' he pulled with his initial vote? If so, what changed your mind? | ||
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Since you are very intent on understanding why I don't like your opening posts of the game, I will explain. The biggest problem is that the responses it generates are very similar from either alignment. sensible town response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself. sensible scum response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself. on TK For example, I'm having a hard time deciding whether TK's response was scum or town motivated. I can easily see scum motivation in trying to justify some wagon on rayn (assuming rayn is town), especially after sheeping onto yamato's policy wagon. However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor. I guess I'm back to nullish on TK. | ||
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On August 29 2013 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: sciberbia my problem with you is that i have a hard time understanding any of your posts when i think of them from town!pov. But if I voted for one of my townreads then we'd be on the same page?  + Show Spoiler +this is a joke If you point me to something specific I'll try to clear it up for you. Generally speaking, my first two or three posts were mainly formalities to get discussion going, and my last two posts have been dedicated towards getting information on TK's thought process and sharing my thoughts on his alignment with the rest of the thread. | ||
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On August 29 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, you say this: If that is a sensible response, why is your response this: Throw shit at me for no reason, throw shit at me for no reason, tell people to ignore me. I have a hard time understanding why? What have i done to make you feel so? I apologize for offending you rayn. I was in a rather bad mood because
Due to my rather bad mood, I perhaps was harsher than was warranted, but the main point of my discourse was to try to steer the thread towards (imo) more productive discussion. | ||
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On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? | ||
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On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me? Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content. I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). | ||
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On August 29 2013 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck. I am sorry. I meant your second post. I have no ide why i have written "first" in that post of mine. Anyways that does not change the fact you have tried to get productive discussion going on with your posts, does it? Also because of the misunderstanding; What was the point of your second post in the game? It was to shut down speculation on 2 scum teams because I don't think that's very likely. It was also to bring to everyone's attention the strong possibility of one or more third parties. On August 29 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: sciberbia you gonna be around for some time right? Let's discuss stuff. I need to smoke first. I'll be back in a bit. >_> yea I'll be around but I really don't feel like discussing any of this start-of-game stuff any longer so I hope you plan on changing the topic. | ||
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On August 29 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of TK? I explained most of my thought process here: + Show Spoiler [me] + On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote: on TK I'm having a hard time deciding whether TK's response was scum or town motivated. I can easily see scum motivation in trying to justify some wagon on rayn (assuming rayn is town), especially after sheeping onto yamato's policy wagon. However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor. I guess I'm back to nullish on TK. His most recent posts look fine to me. At least he posted some actual reads. I'm open to persuasion but right now I don't see any good reason to think he is scum. I'm leaning town if anything. | ||
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On August 29 2013 11:35 yamato77 wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Marvellosity Seems like a warm place for my vote. If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? | ||
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On August 29 2013 13:19 debears wrote: #vote scibs his game reminds me of his scum game. In order to make any sort of meta read, you would have to show something this game that is similar to my scum games but different from my town games, which I am quite sure you cannot do. For one thing you've never even seen me play town. On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote: Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. Can you point to any good reason for thinking rayn is scum? Do you disagree with my reasons for thinking he's town? There's like a 75% chance he's town just on math, so given that I have several good reasons to think he's town I think 95% is reasonable. On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote: As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town). -- Does it look to you like I avoided early conflict with rayn this game? -- I didn't even explain how I thought he was town until he unvoted me. I don't think you thought this through very well. Of course you can ask me who I think is mafia. I'm a little disappointed because there isn't much to go on yet, but my best guesses at mafia would be sn0_man, yourself, and yamato, in that order. 1) sn0_man for being in the thread for hours without doing anything relevant at all. And making some weird comment about being content with his vote on me, but then unvoting me for no reason. 2) Yourself for making some imo poor scumhunting attempts -- see above. Not sure how much of that is due to alchohol and how much due to your alignment though. 3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless. I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. | ||
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OK fair enough -- thanks for your perspective. You have any scumreads you care to discuss? On August 29 2013 16:42 yamato77 wrote: So many of you have no idea how to play D1 @yamato Well since you're so enlightened why don't you explain what we simpletons could be doing to better help town win the game? | ||
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On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 1) Asking for a meta read this early is dumb. You and I both know that. That's a feel read. Your saying that this game *feels* like my scum game is a meta read by my definition. If you want to redefine it as a "feel" read fine whatever but it's still completely unsubstantiated. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 2) You sound so confident that raynp is town. 95% is reserved for those who actually do something with their posts. Raynp has made this thread very hard to read (which does have scum motivation). While I wouldn't lynch him today based on his activity, I'm not gonna say he's 95% town. And I don't see how you, as town, would come to that %. It looks like you haven't read any of rayn's posts after the first page or so. I would say rayn has done plenty with his posts -- probably more than every other player in the thread. His nonsense spammy posts were confined to the first hour or two, and I see town motivation behind all of his posts. He is super-active, indignant, analytical, and imo genuine. If you have a problem with 95% then I will amend to 'fairly strong town read'. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 3) While I didn't explain this point well, I will in the future post on you. (Damn alcohol) I'm shivering with anticipation. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 4) My point with the "could i say the same to you" was that you hadn't actually pinned down a scum, or even had a scum read at that point ( I saw a null read on TK. then a town read on raynp if i remember correctly), yet you are so eager to ask yamato for his. Kinda hippocritical, no>? No there is no hypocrisy there whatsoever. I don't need to have an scum reads of my own in order to be interested in who yamato thinks is scum. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: Frankly, while I agree with your reads somewhat on Sn0, yamato, and raynp, those are not "hard reads" by any stretch of the imagination. And some of your posts indicate scum mindset, while your actual contributions haven't been committal Sorry if I don't have the game solved just yet but at least I'm not writing a bunch of nonsense about people. If you're town debears you better read the thread and get your shit together cuz I'm not impressed so far. | ||
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On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. I just want to say that this is an absolutely terrible attitude and I really hope nobody else thinks like this. | ||
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On August 30 2013 02:14 yamato77 wrote: It's how I win every other mini that I won as town. I don't know what the fuck minis you're playing but in the four minis I've played/followed with town marv, he has -- been useless D1 and shot N1 (proceeded to win) -- been useless D1 and shot N1 (proceeded to lose) -- been wrong on almost every read D1 and was surely scum MVP (was carried by me/DP/iamp) -- survived until endgame and lost I'm sure he's had better games as well, but banking on town!marv or town!hapa carrying the game is a terrible idea from where I'm standing. If anything you should ignore marv and hapa for now since if either is town they'll surely be shot N1 since everyone seems to think they walk on water. Jeez. In response to your post, I don't find anything you said about marv or hapa that interesting. They aren't on my radar at the moment. marv's attitude doesn't seem markedly different to me, and I sympathized with what hapa said about debears so I disagree with your suspicions there. I see debears is posting more stuff about me so imma go see if it's worth responding to.` | ||
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One thing I will say is that I was willing to respond to rayn's posts because I think he is most likely town, and he started actually playing the game and making reasonable points. On the other hand, I think debears is quite possibly scum and I think everything he's posted about me is rubbish so unless somebody else wants something clarified I'm not responding to his stuff anymore. | ||
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fine I'll respond to debears after I get through more important stuff like re-reading the posts since last night and figuring out who we should lynch today. | ||
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On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote: Still, that leaves other questions: - why has his scumhunting been lacking? - why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1? - why is he speculating on the third party? Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. (1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato. (2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people. (3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh. Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1) | ||
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On August 30 2013 03:35 debears wrote: 1) That wasnt the case yesterday. My first posts against you were just little liners with no explanation. You weren't scumhunting then. They took very little response. You also chose to not ignore someone you said to ignore instead of scumhuntings. 2) Lol. Even the best make mistakes. A 95% town read on someone is not town oriented day 1. There is only 1 possible town explanation for that. I'm not going into that right now because you shouldn't say that in that 1 situation anyways. 3) You made two posts on the third party shit. That's weird(aka scummy) as fuck. Ill wait for the full rebuttal though, esp on the interaction with you and dos raynp This is literally just getting ridiculous. 1) How much scumhunting do you expect me to do in the first 6 hours of the game? You're being completely unreasonable. Before i went to bed, i stated my top 3 scumreads and gave reasons why. I also stated my opinions on TK's and rayn's alignments -- again with reasons why. I literally commented on everything that I found interesting in the first 6 hours, and then I went to bed. What the fuck do you want me to do? Make up some bullshit case about some dumb post on the first page and tunnel someone into the ground? Sorry to let you down but I just couldn't find any great scumtells in the first 4 pages. Didn't realize that's a crime. 2) So 85% is acceptable but 95% is ludicrous? I was not aware that there is some line in the sand that I'm not allowed to cross. Idk your obsession with this just seems like the dumbest thing ever to me. 3) THE SECOND POST ON IT WAS BECAUSE RAYN SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN THE FIRST POST ON IT. my god. I can only assume you weren't even reading rayn's post. Do you see me bringing up third party speculation all over the thread? No -- I really don't give a fuck. I made a passing comment as the second post of the game and then rayn asked me why I posted that which obviously then led to me mentioning it again. | ||
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On August 30 2013 03:59 Sn0_Man wrote: Yam: "Im only reading 2 people" Thread: "thats retarded we should vig you" Yam: "JK I'm reading everybody who is a subject of discussion or has made a serious case post so far" Thats one hell of a 180. I mean, I'm glad its happening but its a big change of heart. lolol thanks Sn0_Man. I needed that. | ||
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Stop talking to me. My read on you is either really annoying scum or extremely dumb town. I think I'm leaning dumb town. Honestly if you are town, you should be grateful as fuck I'm not scum or I'd be mislynching the shit out of you right now. | ||
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1) What was your genuine read on TK after his very first post of the game in which he voted rayn? Null, slightly scummy, scummy? 2) Why is the following not a plausible explanation for TK's actions: First TK votes rayn for no reason cuz random bullshit phase. Then TK sees rayn doing some pretty confusing shit so asks him to explain. Then TK realizes that rayn is probably town for drawing attention and that his questions to rayn are going nowhere, so he retracts his vote and moves on with his life. | ||
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I was gonna say the same thing marv just said about it being understandable not to have a lot to see about three players that I just out-of-the-blue asked him to give a quick opinion on. That doesn't bother me so much. I did notice his back-flip on the sn0_man read because he disagreed with me but then later stole my exact argument. I'm a little torn on whether this is more likely a town move or scum move. It would be a puzzling move for scum to so blatantly contradict themselves, but at the same time his explanation of it from a townie perspective is equally puzzling to me. Overall, I've noted that his posts have a tone of just being generally agreeable and he is just sort of being here in the thread, which I tend to associate with scum. Onegu has the same sort of feel but I get the same gut-town feel that you do -- Onegu feels more genuine to me and feels like he's trying to help. Sylencia leaning scum I guess. Not as much as you though. I'm feeling by a good margin that hopeless is the best lynch right now, but I want to give it a few more hours before making a post on him. | ||
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On August 30 2013 07:25 Hapahauli wrote: Contradictions aren't always scummy, but I think this one is. I really can't map out a town thought-process in what he did. It seems like he forgot he defended Sn0, then attacked him instead when pressed for reads. You're correct that the town thought-process is hard to see there. But it's also hard for me to believe that he read sn0's filter, gave a null read, then five hours later read the same exact filter, forgot he had given a null read, and then gave a town read. | ||
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I don't blame marv one bit for admonishing your early play. You essentially called rayn dumb and tried to start a policy wagon, then singled out marv for not doing anything and voted him, scolded town for not knowing how to play the game, and made a post about how everyone besides marv/hapa isn't worth paying attention to. I didn't take kindly to it either. Hell for all I know you are right about one or both of them but I see absolutely no reason to lynch them today. They have both been very constructive in discussion over the past couple of hours and show all indication of contributing towards a good lynch. Who do you actually want to lynch today? Because a marv/hapa lynch would not fly with my nor with several other people I'd imagine, so I suggest you look into other candidates such as sylencia and hopeless and make your voice heard there. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:54 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sciberia Can you post the thoughts you had on Hopeless? It looks like he kinda vanished on us, so it'll give us something to discuss in civility in the meantime. Sure I'd be glad to. I agree mostly with what you have written about him, but have a couple things to add/emphasize. 1) Hopeless's defense of his vote on TK sounds too much to me like a justification of himself and not enough like an argument why TK is scum. + Show Spoiler [hopeless] + On August 30 2013 05:52 Hopeless1der wrote: My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote. Every time TK tries to respond to me, he says "but i wasnt really going to push him". No shit sherlock (insert sarcastic responses here). On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote: marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote: Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo. Hopeless has stuck to his "strong scumread" on TK but it doesn't seem to bother him too much that people like hapa/marv/myself are now quite sympathetic towards TK. I feel like from a townie there should be saying something like "Guys this is why he's scum. Why can't you see it? God this is so frustrating. Nobody believes me." I don't see any of this attitude in his filter. Instead his tone comes off more as "it's ok with me if you guys interpret TK's actions as town, but please accept my scummy interpretation as valid too so my vote looks justified". Basically I just do not feel like he is really trying to convince people that TK is scum, and one of the biggest defining traits of townies is that they fight tooth and nail to convince other townies of their best scum reads. Look at yamato and debears for contrast. I'm not saying they're necessarily town, but they don't take kindly to being disagreed with about their top scum reads. 2) Subtle contradiction / shift in emphasis At the beginning of the game, hopeless seems to be trying to make TK's first vote look bad: + Show Spoiler [hopeless] + On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote: actually nvm rayn ##unvote "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... Hopeless doesn't outright say it, but he went out of his way to mention how TK's vote was a "sheep on some uknown policy" rather than a "troll vote" and then he says the vote post wasn't "completely damning" which implies it is still somewhat damning. But recently he says he had no problem at all with the initial troll vote from TK and that his read on TK was a total null following that vote. It doesn't really match up for me, and this is the type of subtle shift that I believe is a fairly reliable scumtell. 3) More minor point, but overall hopeless's lack of activity, lack of initiative in talking about anyone other than TK, and lack of any townie sparks that i can discern make me feel more comfortable in voting him. ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On August 30 2013 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Sold. ##Vote Hopeless1der lol so I was feeling all good about myself that you liked my post but then I thought what if hapa is scum and just asked me to write about hopeless so he had an excuse to get the wagon rolling. Surely you wouldn't be that devious, right? Surely... On August 30 2013 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone explain to me why Tutankhamon is town? All i have heard is that he asked me 3 questions and then unvoted me and that makes him seem like a bright guy. I do not see anything in his filter that is even close to scumhunting. I don't see anything in his filter that is even close to giving out a decent scumread. I don't actually see anything in his filter that is giving out decent ANY read. @rayn I wouldn't say TK is def town but i think it's definitely more likely than not. Here are a few points from my own filter and marv's filter. I'll let marv or someone answer to the rest of your post because marv seems to be the biggest TK fan in town. On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote: However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor. On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell. | ||
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-- insistence that TK is scum based solely on his opening rayn vote and posting some wishy wash reads. This just seems like a very easy case for Oats to make and could be easily fabricated. I don't see any spark of analytical insight, which I think I'm correct in expecting from a town Oats. + Show Spoiler [oats insisting] + On August 29 2013 08:21 Oatsmaster wrote: tutankoopa scum ## vote tuntankoopa On August 29 2013 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: not gonna post for the next 10+ hours, have fun guys. lynch tuntokoppa dude. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Like this post just wiggles all around the place and he takes no hard stances throughtout the game so far. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that?  Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum. -- speaking of easy criticisms, he repeatedly criticizes rayn, which would be fine if he ever went somewhere with it, but he doesn't, and in fact outright says he doesn't think rayn is scum, so why all the criticisms? To try to make rayn look bad? Why? + Show Spoiler [criticisms] + On August 29 2013 08:29 Oatsmaster wrote: you voted for him after his single post. What the fuck rayn. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town. NO CLUE. Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn. Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible. On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. I will be very interested to see where he goes next since it seems he has been sleeping/busy since this game really got rolling, but for now he is another one I'm leaning scum on. | ||
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Can you explain how the events of a couple of pages ago made you think that yamato is town? Like I see how his egotism and brashness are townie traits, but I don't feel extremely comfortable about everyone giving a steadfast townread to a guy that didn't do anything for 24 hours, then made two imo questionable scum reads, and then in the matter of an hour was talked out of those scum reads and into town reads by the subjects of his reads themselves, for no particularly great reason that I can discern from his filter. So all in all I don't see anything in his filter that makes me think he is town except his odd egotism and brashness, which I am not totally convinced he could not imitate as scum. How confident are you he wouldn't pull a stunt like that as scum? It seems you/marv have a ton of prior experience with yamato which I do not share. To be clear I'm leaning town on yamato myself but I'd just like to feel better about this read if possible and see where hapa is coming from on this one. Nothing else really to talk about at the moment. | ||
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On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: 1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null Hm I really have no idea about the relative 'veteran status' levels of debears, yamato, and Hopeless1der and would have assumed they were similar but maybe I was wrong. Your anecodote does make me feel more sympathetic. Grrr... Yea not sure. I'm sure I'll spend plenty of time thinking about hopeless tmrw and don't feel like doing any more now. I'm signing out for now. G'night guys. | ||
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hrm. I feel less good about a hopeless/alakazam lynch than i did yesterday. Guess I'll reread hopeless/oats/onegu/sylencia and try to find something new or something I missed. | ||
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Onegu No way in hell we are lynching Onegu today (or ever I'd imagine). He repeatedly brings valid new ideas to the thread in a way I doubt he would as scum, and he seems to really believe in them. Also he hasn't been afraid to disagree with people. I'd pull out examples but I have more important stuff to do. Sylencia Sylencia would be a meh lynch. I wouldn't feel great about it but he's definitely on the scummy side of null for me. The most interesting thing I noticed while perusing his filter is that he chose to give an analysis on TK as well as give some thoughts on debears and FirmTofu, dropped his vote on Onegu and went to bed, without ever giving a read or any of his own thoughts on the hopeless wagon, which up until recently looked very strong. If i was going to lynch him for one reason, it would probably be that. @hapa re Oats Well you saw my post from last night where I talked about how I was leaning scum on him from his first day of posting. And your very recent post on him looks very enticing indeed. I think an Oats lynch is a very real possibility. I'm gonna go reread his filter now. | ||
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On August 31 2013 04:04 Hapahauli wrote: Ummm... that doesn't sound "meh" to me. Completely avoiding commenting on the main wagon to go and fuck-off on a lynch-bait player with little chance of getting lynched is absurdly scummy. Well when you put it that way it does sound more promising. I was just starting to feel good about an Oats lynch though. Anyway, I will unvote for now since sylencia and oats are starting to look like better lynches to me than the replacement. ##unvote | ||
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I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today. First of all, he was correct in saying this You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. See this sequence of quotes for reference+ Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote: 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? On August 29 2013 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait wait. What was the policy in your mind? On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote: actually nvm rayn ##unvote "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless. But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam. On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote: Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story. | ||
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On August 31 2013 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: No sciberbia. I asked Tutankhamon what he thought the policy was, because i did not understand the question to Hopeless (why the fuck would you think i would have asked him that otherwise?). The bolded part you quote and what you say about it is bs, he uses the phrase "a while longer", that does not mean he has some "ultimate scumhunting methods" and he is cleary referring to this situation, as he says later in his post: "Anyways, as the ship sailed already, here is my answer"...... Are you scum? @rayn I totally understand why you asked TK the question you did, but you cannot dispute the fact that you did in fact start asking TK questions about his hopeless post before hopeless had a chance to answer. This IMO means TK did not lie to you. I don't think the stuff that I bolded is complete BS. I sympathize with what he is saying. He was fishing for a damning response from Hopeless. He didn't get it, but he still didn't want to explain what he was fishing for, because then all the fish would leave and he would never be able to catch another fish with the same fishing rod. If you're right about him rayn then he has me fooled. I'm leaning town on him and I don't want to lynch him today. I need to figure out who I want to lynch so I'm done talking about TK for now -- he can defend himself. I'll be open to persuasion again tomorrow. | ||
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For people that leave Oats off their list of willing to lynch, why is that? | ||
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Between what Onegu said to me last night, and the thing hapa said about the replacement today, I don't feel so great about a hopeless lynch. FT is on the scummy side of null for not doing jack shit all game and making our lives difficult, but I don't think there's enough in his filter to make a lynch on him a smart option today. I think I want to go with either a sylencia lynch or an oats lynch. I still need to look more into oats. brb. | ||
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Why do you not want to lynch oats? He's my strongest scum read right now. | ||
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I feel I have more and better reasons to think Oats is scum. Gonna reread both of their filters a couple times and I'll decide if I want to start an Oats wagon. | ||
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On August 31 2013 06:59 Hapahauli wrote: Sciberia - lend me your wisdom/calmness a bit. Is Oats still your strongest read? @hapa yea so I was just making another post on him and I think that's the direction I want to go. Here is my summary of his first day of posting, which was scummy. + Show Spoiler [me] + On August 30 2013 14:26 sciberbia wrote: What do you guys think of Oats? Maybe it's partly because he did the vast majority of his posting while I was sleeping, but he seems very 'under the radar' to me. I have no good reasons to think he's town, and a few parts of his filter make me raise my eyebrows: -- insistence that TK is scum based solely on his opening rayn vote and posting some wishy wash reads. This just seems like a very easy case for Oats to make and could be easily fabricated. I don't see any spark of analytical insight, which I think I'm correct in expecting from a town Oats. + Show Spoiler [oats insisting] + On August 29 2013 08:21 Oatsmaster wrote: tutankoopa scum ## vote tuntankoopa On August 29 2013 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: not gonna post for the next 10+ hours, have fun guys. lynch tuntokoppa dude. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Like this post just wiggles all around the place and he takes no hard stances throughtout the game so far. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that? Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum. -- speaking of easy criticisms, he repeatedly criticizes rayn, which would be fine if he ever went somewhere with it, but he doesn't, and in fact outright says he doesn't think rayn is scum, so why all the criticisms? To try to make rayn look bad? Why? + Show Spoiler [criticisms] + On August 29 2013 08:29 Oatsmaster wrote: you voted for him after his single post. What the fuck rayn. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town. NO CLUE. Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn. Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible. On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. I will be very interested to see where he goes next since it seems he has been sleeping/busy since this game really got rolling, but for now he is another one I'm leaning scum on. Notice how at the bottom I conclude that he's been scummy so far, but in fairness I point out that he hasn't had too many chances to contribute yet. Well what has he done today? Nothing at all. His re-entrance to the thread was very suspicious to me and I agree with what you and marv wrote about it. He just completely back-flipped on all his previous reads to conform with thread sentiment. He has also had the chance to contribute towards this lynch but has completely refrained from doing so. I honestly don't know what he has been doing since he first disappeared from the thread like 30 hours ago. At least Sylencia is genuinely sleeping right now. I'd like to add that all of his posts seem completely unconstructive to me. That is the vibe I get from him. It's like he is just sitting around in the thread, debunking other people's ideas when he sees an opportunity, without making any sustained push of his own. He has also spent an inordinate amount of time criticizing other players, especially rayn, which strikes me as scum motivated. I don't know why I'm not getting more support for an Oats lynch but I hope that changes. I think I'd actually be surprised to see Oats flip town which I can't say about anyone else right now. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On August 31 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: scib, what are you seeing from Slam that you liked? I'm shying away from a Slam lynch for a variety of reasons all of which I'm not sure how much stock I should put into. I have a terrible history with replacements and I don't really know how to deal with them. -- I somewhat agree with what hapa said about hopeless replacing out meaning he is more likely town demoralized than scum. I'm pretty sure I've seen this happen before. Maybe it's a combination of being demoralized and not having enough time on his hands. I don't know. But townies are more likely to feel bad like they owe their team something and ask for a replacement imo where as scum he might have just been like shit im caught and faced his lynch. -- His claiming VT made me think more townie of him. I've seen numerous townies do that before in that situation, and I don't think it's something scum slam would necessarily think to do. -- He is apparently absurdly busy and I don't really mind his not contributing as much as you do. I'm sure it's hella hard to catch up on 40 pages and make intelligent posts as the deadline is winding down. -- For all I know,, Slam could be a very easy to read player and I will get a strong town read from him tomorrow if we just give him time. | ||
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Oats - most likely to be scum. Slam - yea might be scum and would be nice to get rid of a replacement i guess but I'm shying away for reasons above Tofu - standard lurker lynch imo. acceptable but not ideal sylencia - meh lynch. might be scum. wouldn't be all too surprised if he's town though. gtg will still be following from phone | ||
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I dont see why oats isnt anywhere on t Your radar of people to lynch. From what i can tell you have been thinking scum on him | ||
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I guess we may have outed our mason pair but of all the roles to out mason is a pretty harmless one. And I really don't know about this mason stuff at all. I mean it's one thing to have a little interplay with your mason partner in the thread so as to throw the scumteam off, but posts like these seem to be taking it a bit far. + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats can you clarify to me why exactly are you suspicious of Tutankoopa? Has his policy vote something to do with it and if it does, what? On August 29 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats can you make a case on me if you think i am scum? I would really like your thought process gathered together in a well-construced post. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town. NO CLUE. Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn. Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. On August 31 2013 06:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I sheep you like every fucking game rayn. Dont beg, its unbecoming. I really kinda want rayn to be lying so Oats can still be scum and I can still be right about him. @Oats Please do confirm whether or not you are masoned with rayn and will one of you please produce some logs? | ||
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sorry i don't feel like writing any serious posts right now. See my filter. I will probably end up revisiting you if I'm still alive tomorrow. Actually OK I will at least do the work of finding the relevant posts for you + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 14:26 sciberbia wrote: What do you guys think of Oats? Maybe it's partly because he did the vast majority of his posting while I was sleeping, but he seems very 'under the radar' to me. I have no good reasons to think he's town, and a few parts of his filter make me raise my eyebrows: -- insistence that TK is scum based solely on his opening rayn vote and posting some wishy wash reads. This just seems like a very easy case for Oats to make and could be easily fabricated. I don't see any spark of analytical insight, which I think I'm correct in expecting from a town Oats. + Show Spoiler [oats insisting] + On August 29 2013 08:21 Oatsmaster wrote: tutankoopa scum ## vote tuntankoopa On August 29 2013 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: not gonna post for the next 10+ hours, have fun guys. lynch tuntokoppa dude. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Like this post just wiggles all around the place and he takes no hard stances throughtout the game so far. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that? Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum. -- speaking of easy criticisms, he repeatedly criticizes rayn, which would be fine if he ever went somewhere with it, but he doesn't, and in fact outright says he doesn't think rayn is scum, so why all the criticisms? To try to make rayn look bad? Why? + Show Spoiler [criticisms] + On August 29 2013 08:29 Oatsmaster wrote: you voted for him after his single post. What the fuck rayn. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town. NO CLUE. Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn. Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible. On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. I will be very interested to see where he goes next since it seems he has been sleeping/busy since this game really got rolling, but for now he is another one I'm leaning scum on. On August 31 2013 07:06 sciberbia wrote: @hapa yea so I was just making another post on him and I think that's the direction I want to go. Here is my summary of his first day of posting, which was scummy. + Show Spoiler [me] + On August 30 2013 14:26 sciberbia wrote: What do you guys think of Oats? Maybe it's partly because he did the vast majority of his posting while I was sleeping, but he seems very 'under the radar' to me. I have no good reasons to think he's town, and a few parts of his filter make me raise my eyebrows: -- insistence that TK is scum based solely on his opening rayn vote and posting some wishy wash reads. This just seems like a very easy case for Oats to make and could be easily fabricated. I don't see any spark of analytical insight, which I think I'm correct in expecting from a town Oats. + Show Spoiler [oats insisting] + On August 29 2013 08:21 Oatsmaster wrote: tutankoopa scum ## vote tuntankoopa On August 29 2013 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: not gonna post for the next 10+ hours, have fun guys. lynch tuntokoppa dude. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Like this post just wiggles all around the place and he takes no hard stances throughtout the game so far. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that? Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum. -- speaking of easy criticisms, he repeatedly criticizes rayn, which would be fine if he ever went somewhere with it, but he doesn't, and in fact outright says he doesn't think rayn is scum, so why all the criticisms? To try to make rayn look bad? Why? + Show Spoiler [criticisms] + On August 29 2013 08:29 Oatsmaster wrote: you voted for him after his single post. What the fuck rayn. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town. NO CLUE. Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn. Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible. On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. I will be very interested to see where he goes next since it seems he has been sleeping/busy since this game really got rolling, but for now he is another one I'm leaning scum on. Notice how at the bottom I conclude that he's been scummy so far, but in fairness I point out that he hasn't had too many chances to contribute yet. Well what has he done today? Nothing at all. His re-entrance to the thread was very suspicious to me and I agree with what you and marv wrote about it. He just completely back-flipped on all his previous reads to conform with thread sentiment. He has also had the chance to contribute towards this lynch but has completely refrained from doing so. I honestly don't know what he has been doing since he first disappeared from the thread like 30 hours ago. At least Sylencia is genuinely sleeping right now. I'd like to add that all of his posts seem completely unconstructive to me. That is the vibe I get from him. It's like he is just sitting around in the thread, debunking other people's ideas when he sees an opportunity, without making any sustained push of his own. He has also spent an inordinate amount of time criticizing other players, especially rayn, which strikes me as scum motivated. I don't know why I'm not getting more support for an Oats lynch but I hope that changes. 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Btw if you're town I'd rather you spend your time bringing some original analysis to the thread than breaking down my posts and defending yourself or whatever. | ||
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townie as fuck --- scib, rayn, hapa probably town --- debears. marv thinking town ---- onegu leaning town ----- tk, sn0 hard to say -------- syl, slam, yamato scummy ------------ oats | ||
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On September 01 2013 08:23 marvellosity wrote: lol can you not see the hints? I have next to zero idea what's going on right now. I'm extremely perceptive marv but I see nothing from debears claiming he was definitively shot at. | ||
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I picked up the veteran reference but I don't know why you couldn't just say you were both roleblocked and shot in the first place. I thought maybe you were claiming your vet protection was not popped but instead assumed you were saved by a jailkeeper. | ||
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I dunno I'm with hapa I think they are most likely both town. Not sure whether rayn is lying again or not to try to make a "big play" or something | ||
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yea I agree. I just kinda want to ignore this debears/rayn drama for now as they both seem rather townie to me based on their filters and with time this night-action stuff may resolve itself. Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? | ||
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On September 01 2013 14:10 Onegu wrote: But am I reading correct debears was RB and shot? Yes debears is claiming RB and shot and rayn is claiming shot. | ||
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On September 01 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: so the real question here is why didnt marv and hapa get targeted in any way? Like rayn is 4-5th choice nk. And debears is like 3-4th @Oats yea I'm a little surprised too but there are a million possible explanations and we have practically no chance of guessing the correct one so it's best not to dwell on it too much. Can you answer to the point debears brought up regarding your read on Sylencia? | ||
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This bothers me everytime I read your filter. I just don't understand the town motivation behind peppering one of your townreads (rayn) with questions and criticisms and asking marv if he wants to lynch said townread. + Show Spoiler [Oats] + On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn. Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. Can you explain in more detail how TK went from strong scum read to strong town read over the course of 24 hours? Since your return to the thread yesterday, you have acted as though TK is hella town, but I really don't see why you would think that, especially considering you had a strong scumread on him at the start of the game. + Show Spoiler [TK is scum] + On August 29 2013 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is tutonkeonddude town marv? He sheeped some dudes policy vote and asked 'what policy'. Shows that he gives no fucks about who he wants to die. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that? Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum. Marv, tell me whos scum man. + Show Spoiler [TK is the towniest thing under the sun] + On August 30 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote: So if I can prove that Tutan is town, is hopeless still town rayn? On August 31 2013 06:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn im not killing TK unless redcheck and I need to think REALLY hard for that one. On August 31 2013 06:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, you are too tunneled to be useful at this point. Every read is influenced by your TK read. On August 31 2013 20:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Let's look at how I reentered the thread. I dropped tutan and voted for Hopeless. Would you rather I continue tunneling obv town? Like I just find this really fishy and don't know what you could have possibly seen from TK to make you backflip so hard. I think you were just being lazy scum and remembered marv 'insisting he was totally town' from earlier in the day, and decided to say you changed your mind and that marv was right. And while I'm on the subject, wtf is the point of saying this On August 31 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: hey tutan is rayn scum for tunneling you like shit? if tutan is obv town to you and rayn is also obv town from your POV (unless you think he fakeclaimed mason as scum to stop you from getting mislynched). I just see no town motivation at all for asking such a question to one of your strongest town reads about one of your other strongest town reads. Finally, you said this On August 31 2013 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote: How the fuck did I get almost lynched.... come on guys.. I don't understand why you're so surprised. What do you feel you have done this game that makes you so clearly town or a bad lynch option? What have you done or said this game that you would not have done if you were scum? | ||
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On September 01 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Do you never criticize bad play Scib? Cause thats what I was doing. Asking someone if they want to lynch a dude is just that. No other implied meaning. 2. There were like 20 pages and TK doubled his filter I think. I also detunneled cause I got out of the thread and took into account what marv said about TK and his contributions since I left. Its good. 3. Again its a question. THATS ALL. I didnt think tutan was scum, I didnt think Rayn was scum. I could be wrong and asking stuff like this helps. More info = better game. 4. I have been contributing and shit. Come on Scib. Im like a day 3-4 lynch, not day 1. Especially since there was no fucking case on me with ANYTHING showing how I was scum rather than how I was DIFFERENT from my normal retarded play which Im trying not to do. I wouldve totally like pushed the lurkers as scum and also like probably wouldnt have 180ed on Tuten. @Oats 1) There doesn't have to be some implied meaning but there has got to be some motivation for doing it, right? You don't just throw a dart at the wall to decide what to post do you? The only possible town motivations I can see would be fishing for some specific response from marv, or trying to actually get rayn lynched. You're telling me you weren't doing either of those two things? 2) I can understand if maybe you changed your mind on the scum read part. But what specifically makes him "obv town" to you? From what I can tell nobody else in this game is in your "obv town" category. Can you list your top 4 townreads for me right now? 3) It's just odd to me that of all the questions you could ask anyone at the time, you chose to ask a very strong townread for thoughts on another very strong townread. I don't think it's just me. Most townies would not do that. 4) Not that this point is very important, but your two candidates around lynch-time yesterday were Slam and FT (aka the lurkers), no? | ||
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Can you please point to SPECIFIC things that makes you think TK is obviously town. Please use relevant quotes from marv's filter or TK's filter as appropriate. If you want me to believe that you genuinely changed your mind, please walk me through your exact, SPECIFIC thought process. Don't just say something like "yea I changed my mind" or "TK doubled his filter" or "marv said TK is town". Any scum could say that and if you actually changed your mind it shouldn't be too hard for you to point out some specific posts of TK that demonstrate why he is very clearly town to you. Also I'd like to see you put more effort into pushing your lynch today. Who's your strongest scumread right now? If it's me so be it, but write a case that consists of more than "scib has no thread impact" and "scib tried to lynch me but I'm town". Like if you want to say that fine but expand on it more and explain why it makes me scum. You actually want to convince people, yes? Even as scum in Ego Mini you had more thread impact and more impressive cases than you've written this game. | ||
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I find his answers somewhat unsatisfactory but I'm not sure whether Oats would give me answers that I would consider unsatisfactory regardless of his alignment. If that made any sense. So yea opinions on Oats would be appreciated. | ||
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Slam please read Oats's filter and give your read on him. Other good filters to get to would be TK, sn0_man, and yamato | ||
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It's not just that he's in the thread less than normal -- it's that even when he's in the thread I just see absolutely no spark of townie insight or original analysis from him. There just isn't anything in his filter that looks like it would take him more than 10 seconds of brainstorming to come up with as scum:
Just seems like a super lazy scum game to me. I'll be very interested to hear feedback from you all because I don't see any reason not to lynch Oats today. | ||
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On September 01 2013 20:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Its absolutely stupid for scumrayn to claim vet. Like INSANELY STUPID. On September 01 2013 22:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Im thinking if rayn is smart enough to do this as scum... What do you think of the fact that rayn fake-claimed mason to save you (a confirmed townie from your POV) from the lynch? You are deliberating the possibility that was some kind of absurd scum powerplay? | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. why can't mafia "breadcrumb" some role and assuming a certain situation happens (like a no-kill in a game where doctor and their target is not informed of a save) claim "yeah dudes, look, i crumbed my role vet i am totes town, now you gotta believe me"?? It's not that hard, and i put zero value in breadcrumbs. I agree with rayn that it's not virtually impossible that debears is lying just because of his breadcrumb. Rayn's theory is plausible. But I agree with rayn that it's not especially likely in this case. On September 02 2013 03:21 debears wrote: @Scribs I'm gonna put you as my strongest town read with the way your posts have been going since I got off. I'm liking your Oats stuff. I will definitely join the cause. I still have questions on the Rayn thing though I need your perspective on. 1) What do you think of his claim without a breadcrumb? 2) What do you think of his vet claim after the already occuring mason claim lie? Aww thanks debears <3 1) I see no reason why he would make this fake-claim as scum. I don't think he was in any danger of ever getting lynched, so why would he put that at risk by calling you out as a liar and starting a veteran showdown? The fact that he has no breadcrumb probably means nothing if it is true that he does in fact never breadcrumb. I assume it's true until somebody tells me it's not. 2) What hapa said about it probably being legit if he is town. The mason claim had a very clear purpose -- to manipulate the lynch. This claim doesn't seem to further his other agenda in any way. It is kinda fishy that we have two veteran claims and they somehow just both happened to be shot by anti-town factions night 1. But there's no actual evidence that either of them is scum and crazier shit has happened at night, so I'm willing to stick to my previous town reads on these two until we have more information. | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:54 debears wrote: But then do people who are protected also get hit notifications? It is not defined in the op who gets hit notificiations. So, as mafia, you would run the risk of the townsperson you shoot of claiming being shot, a doc knowing they protected correctly, and having two people on your ass? As a point of clarification, the OP states that only passively protected roles receive a notification. So a townie could be saved by a doc and not be any the wiser. Also to re-iterate hapa's question from earlier, out of curiosity, were either of your roles dependent on the water level in some way? @marv Do you agree or disagree with what hapa just wrote about Oats and why? Judging from your earlier post you seem to disagree? | ||
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On September 02 2013 06:11 debears wrote: Nah no change on mine. Where does the op say the hit notification stuff. Couldn't find it -_- @debears + Show Spoiler [hosts] + On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Active protection would be something like a medic protect. Passive protection would be something like a veteran | ||
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Are you not reading the thread or something? I don't know how you could have missed this. rayn is claiming veteran, and that he was shot debears is claiming he is a veteran, and that he was shot and roleblocked On September 01 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am a vet. debears claim is shit. he is scum. i was hit. On September 01 2013 08:27 debears wrote: I was both roleblocked and shot. I am a veteran That's why there is speculation on two vets. There is no evidence that rayn is actually a veteran but it just doesn't make a lot of sense for him to lie if he is town. I'd be happy to talk through Onegu with you at some point tonight. What makes you think Oats is town? | ||
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On September 02 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote: Hapa, do you have anything to say about my post besides to question my weak town read of Syl? This goes for anyone, btw. @yamato The only thing in there that i found very interesting was On September 01 2013 22:50 yamato77 wrote: Null: Onegu, Sn0, Slam Probable anti-town: Oats, TK I'll substantiate my reads on the null/anti-town players in short order. | ||
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On a scale of stupid to completely fucking retarded, his other fake-claims are stupid whereas if he is lying about this one it's completely fucking retarded. On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote: @scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now. @yamato Can you at least like, write a few lines about your top scum read and vote them before you go to bed? I feel like we need some urgency here. 22 hours until lynch and the thread is just crawling along. | ||
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Are you guys still here? Where is everybdoy? @alakaspam You especially need to get in the thread and start posting some reads. @hapa Who would you rather lynch between Oats and yamato? I think they're both scum. | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:16 Tutankoopa wrote: Sure lets talk about Oats. People have been questioning his flip flop but there's an explanation he gave in his D1 filter that's currently being overlooked. Did or do you know what it is? No please tell | ||
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On September 02 2013 12:44 Tutankoopa wrote: He said he thought I'm town because he thought he knew who I am. Do you think this is a justification that scum would make up? It suggests that he was trying to figure out my alignment. I believe he was talking to marv. Can you quote the post you're talking about? I don't remember reading anything of the sort. | ||
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Can you respond to my last post regarding Oats? + Show Spoiler [last post] + On September 02 2013 12:48 sciberbia wrote: Can you quote the post you're talking about? I don't remember reading anything of the sort. | ||
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On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote: Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now. @TK Also we have reached the crux of the matter regarding your case on Onegu. I find it quite believable that Onegu would think FirmTofu is likely scum based on the posts (or lack thereof) that were in FirmTofu's filter. In my last game, Smurf Mini, we lynched JPwertee partially for insisting that another player was almost definitely scum based on the singular post in the filter. JPwertee was town (and he was right). Also I think Onegu is town based off a bunch of other stuff in his filter. | ||
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On September 02 2013 14:42 Tutankoopa wrote: It's not stated explicitly, but the first two posts show that oats was focused on my identity. Going so far as to suggest he can prove I'm town made me wonder if he stumbled upon some tell that made him very confident in his town read. What I quoted strikes me as a town motivated series of posts. @TK I really doubt he knows who you are and he definitely didn't write or imply that anywhere in the thread. I'm pretty sure his thoughts about your identity have nothing to do with why he 'thinks' you are town. If they did he would have said so when I pressed him for reasons why you are "obv town" to him. And yea it made me wonder too which is why i pressed him to explain why he is so confident you are town, but he didn't point to anything I found very believable. Go back and reread our conversation. He doesn't mention anything about your identity. I don't see how this is a towntell at all. It's just irrelevant. | ||
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On September 02 2013 14:55 Tutankoopa wrote: I have reason to suspect that Oats would be capable of making connections like I suggested. I guess I need to hear from him about exactly what those posts were trying to accomplish. I literally was drilling him to explain why he back-flipped on you. If he is town he surely would have given any reason he has. He didn't say anything about your smurf identity or "making connections" (not really sure what you mean by this). Please do press him to explain when you get the chance. I'll go through Onegu's filter now and explain to you why I think he's town. | ||
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Why I think Onegu is town His posts are blunt and direct. He isn't wishy/washy. When asked something, he doesn't skirt around the issue but addresses the question head on and makes it clear where he stands. + Show Spoiler [examples] + On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote: Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote: I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going. On August 30 2013 14:56 Onegu wrote: Still working on catching up on everything my son woke up so I took a break to feed him. Will go through filters on syl and hopeless and post in depth thought. As for the whole you/marv/yamato thing, seems null all the way around in those posts, could see it all the way from either alignment. So I am keeping my first reads as Yamato as town you null to slight town, marv null to slight scummy. On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote: Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum. For example this post by you I liked your response and thought you were clear amd agree with the rayne thing. Also when people went after you for posting before being caught up is dumb I do it all the time and had no real problem with it. On August 30 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote: This post got me off of debears as a lynch canidate for the time being, I dont see scum saying they dont read the thread. While its not concrete and I dont agree with his hopeless read. At this point I dont think he is a good day one one lynch as I believe hopeless and FT are better lynches at this point. On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote: My main two are alakaslam and syl. I liked the case on hopeless then alakaslam has done nothing to change that thought as he has lurked and spammed, and I have made my points on syl and he hasnt responded to them at all. I am leaning town on oats, this is basicly how he has always played as town in the games I have been with him in but its always difficult to get a solid read on him. After the post by yamato that I really liked he has been like the only person to try to figure out your and marvs alignment which makes me lean town on him. That being said everything he has said about you I cant figure out you or marv, null on both of you. Debears I believe and he is the closest thing I have confirmed town I believe his claims and he has played pro town. Rayn is likely SK or town I dont see him flipping scum as he has been playing way out there and he didnt really do that in GoT as scum but made plays like this in NWM as town with fake claims, his vet claim is most likely legit but doesnt mean his alignment. Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. sn0 I would like him to answer the questions I put to him about his alakaslam lynch thoughts. And scib Im not sure going to look at his filter soon. He isn't afraid to take unpopular opinions, call people out for bullshit, or disagree with vocal posters. + Show Spoiler [examples] + On August 29 2013 18:28 Onegu wrote: This post supposed to mean something? You said you were reading the thread then you post this? On August 29 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote: I know you are asking hapa but like I said before, that is just something that can be hidden behind as an excuse for bad posts. Him being drunk shouldnt change the read of him, a bad post is a bad post. On August 30 2013 02:16 Onegu wrote: This is all you got? Either drop the sarcasm and make a response that is actually a counterpoint. Or if not sarcasm move on to something else. Not he got me. On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote: I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going. On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: @sciberbia 1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote: It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. He brings interesting new insight/analysis to the thread, and has demonstrated that he is reading and analyzing filters. + Show Spoiler [examples] + On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: @sciberbia 1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null On August 31 2013 03:34 Onegu wrote: Says he is ok with a FT lynch here. Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts. Again says he is ok with a FT lynch Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches. On September 01 2013 23:01 Onegu wrote: Sn0 you go from this to. This and then back to Why did you have the middle post? On September 02 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote: Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though. I could probably have found a few more examples but I think I have enough for you to see what I'm talking about. | ||
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I was just rereading some Oats stuff and stumbled upon this which I thought you'd find interesting. On September 01 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I thought FT's miminal posting made him scum. So unless you are going to reverse your read on Oats, you must concede that it's possible for a townie to think FT was scum based on his posting, right? | ||
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Well no shit we already knew whoever shot you is a moron There was a fairly easy to find veteran breadcrumb in your filter.Seeing as hardly anything has happened today, my reads haven't changed much from the end of N1 + Show Spoiler [N1 reads] + On September 01 2013 07:59 sciberbia wrote: Reread some filters and just want to have my most current reads out there in case I am shot. townie as fuck --- scib, rayn, hapa probably town --- debears. marv thinking town ---- onegu leaning town ----- tk, sn0 hard to say -------- syl, slam, yamato scummy ------------ oats Yea marv looks pretty townie to me based on his D1 play. He's been pretty useless so far D2 but to be fair so has pretty much everyone else. | ||
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Much appreciated. Please try not to leave the thread again until you have read a few filters, given a few reads, given explanations for those reads, and given your thoughts on who we should lynch today. We really need all the contributions we can get from you right now. | ||
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Yamato looks like scum to me because
But I'd be more interested in hearing your thoughts on other people than further thoughts on yamato. I'd love it if you could find someone you think is scummy. Thanks for the follow-up explanation by the way. That was more helpful. | ||
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Yes I'm guilty of maintaining double-standards. Anyway I'm totally exhausted and going to bed but please keep the reads coming. Also if you could maybe consolidate your posts a little bit instead of just +1'ing etc that would be great | ||
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On September 02 2013 23:10 debears wrote: @Scribs When did you find my breadcrumb? When I reread your filter after you asked for my read on you. I hinted at it in my next post. I also put a period after your name in my reads post at the end of N1. On August 30 2013 04:59 debears wrote: Scribs what is your read on me right meow? On August 30 2013 05:24 sciberbia wrote: @debears Stop talking to me. My read on you is either really annoying scum or extremely dumb town. I think I'm leaning dumb town. Honestly if you are town, you should be grateful as fuck I'm not scum or I'd be mislynching the shit out of you right now. | ||
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Can you comment on the conversation that TK and I had last night? He seems to think you are town because ??? I'm not even sure. Just explain whatever posts he quoted in your defense. On September 02 2013 14:42 Tutankoopa wrote: It's not stated explicitly, but the first two posts show that oats was focused on my identity. Going so far as to suggest he can prove I'm town made me wonder if he stumbled upon some tell that made him very confident in his town read. What I quoted strikes me as a town motivated series of posts. On September 02 2013 14:55 Tutankoopa wrote: I have reason to suspect that Oats would be capable of making connections like I suggested. I guess I need to hear from him about exactly what those posts were trying to accomplish. | ||
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On September 03 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote: As far as my read on Yamato goes, I'm still annoyed that he's posting so little, but I find it hard to believe he'd still be attacking me at this stage of the game as scum. Well seeing as you called him town for doing it on D1 I don't see why as scum he'd stop #WIFOM What did you think of this post? Doesn't seem very genuine to me. On August 30 2013 08:55 yamato77 wrote: You're fine. Scum Hapa would have folded his cards by now if I was really right Who folds their cards as scum? I don't see why he suddenly decided you weren't scum anymore. | ||
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Since Oats isn't here I'll just tell you what he will say See this post 6 minutes later On August 31 2013 06:10 Oatsmaster wrote: under no pressure, doesnt post. comes in, pokes a bit which shows he has time, AND DOESNT DO SHIT. Random vote on a dude that is currently at the top if im not mistaken with no explanation or anything. FT is not a lurker, FT is not posting anything helpful. Like he doesnt want to find scum, he just doesnt really care because a town lynch looks like its happening, TK/hopeless maybe. | ||
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On September 03 2013 05:49 Hapahauli wrote: Hm yeah FT did have that burst of posting between that time. I'm still at such a loss on what to do with Oats. Just can't tell if his inactivity is due to business or scuminess. It boggles my mind, but Oats has somehow developed a meta in which he is unlynchable. Scib Oats is a bad day 1 lynch he will give himself away later. OK scib Oats has done some scummy shit, but if he's scum he'll do even more scummy shit later. Actually scib the more seemingly scummy shit he does, the more it means he's actually town. Actually scib the only real way to read Oats is based on meta and his general posting style. Oh Oats's posting style is scummy as shit? Maybe he's just busy. Like I don't understand what Oats has to do for you guys to be willing to lynch him. | ||
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On September 01 2013 22:50 yamato77 wrote: Null: Onegu, Sn0, Slam Probable anti-town: Oats, TK I'll substantiate my reads on the null/anti-town players in short order. On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote: @scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now. ~~comes back to thread~~ ~~writes a bunch of posts about hapa~~ On September 03 2013 02:47 yamato77 wrote: I have to sleep at some point, fuck ~~ leaves thread again ~~ lynch is in two hours zzzz Like COME ON. Oats could actually be lynched today. Oats is in his top two scumspects. He writes nothing at all about Oats and shows no support for the wagon. Instead writes a bunch of posts about hapa knowing full well he probably will not be lynched and then he fucks off. Yamato's game reminds me of my scum game. He's out of the thread 90% of the time. He re-enters the thread with some massive post about something not particularly relevant or important and then fucks off again. | ||
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I still think 1-2 out of Oats and Yamato are scum. I've found enough things about Syl that strike me as possible towntells that I don't want to lynch him. I'm not sure what to think about Spam. Some of his posts give me a gut town feel. My gut doesn't want to lynch him even though my brain can't think of a great argument why not. I'm really uninterested in lynching Hapa. I thought his D1 was really town and I don't have time right now to dig through all his past filters and compare it to this one. And I don't trust yamato at all. @TK What do you make of the fact I pointed out that Oats just like Onegu says he thought FT was scum based on his minimal posting? | ||
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On September 03 2013 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why can't you guys just sheep yamato? Because yamato looks like scum and hapa looks like town. And no I'm not scum, but I wouldn't tell you if I was so stop asking. @TK Looking for someone to sheep? Hi there. The only reason you have given for thinking Oats is town is completely irrelevant - even Oats himself said so. Or sheep what I just said about yamato. I am totally 100% down with lynching either Oats or yamato right now. | ||
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On September 03 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote: Can we lynch the guy with no reads who is probably going to come back to the thread at the last minute to make a last ditch effort to save himself when he's had all day to push anyone or do anything? Sound good? ##Vote: Alakaslam Do you think Alakaslam is more likely to flip scum than both Oats and yamato? Yes or no. | ||
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On September 03 2013 06:45 sciberbia wrote: @marv Do you think Alakaslam is more likely to flip scum than both Oats and yamato? Yes or no. Same question to hapa. | ||
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If you guys are gonna lynch Slam please be fucking right about him. | ||
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Vote Count Alakaslam (5) Oatsmaster Sylencia Oatsmaster (5) sciberbia debears sn0_Man Hapahauli Tutankoopa Hapahauli (1) yamato77 not voting (1) alakaslam | ||
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Doesn't strike me as mafia motivated. | ||
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gonna feel amazing if he flips scum my hopes are high ^^ | ||
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Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats? | ||
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If you define the actives as: me, you, hapa, marv, rayn (5) Which would make the inactives: yamato, syl, slam, onegu, Sn0_man, TK (6) My best guess is 1 anti-town in the actives and 2-3 in the inactives | ||
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I'm shooting yamato77. Here goes nothing. | ||
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GO TOWN! | ||
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