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On August 29 2013 21:44 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 21:28 Sylencia wrote:On August 29 2013 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At this point i really don't see anyone being mafia other than FT, Sylencia and Tutankoopa.
Who's your top scumread(s) marv? How do you end up having a scum read on me literally every game on D1? Pretty much because if i am mafia you are pretty easy to attack, or if i am town you in my opinion comment on stuff i find irrelevant at that time. This game basically PoE atm. What's PoE, and what a brave self-incriminating sentence if you were scum. Too bad I don't see anything really different to your P4 play  That said, Sn0 is on the list for the same reason as FT. They both read, then both post crap a few hours later with the implication that they've read everything and then leave. In Sn0's case he says he finds himself satisfied with his vote, meaning he found something scummy with scrib, but then unvotes saying it was utter bs and leaves.
2nd half - the process from hopeless was there was a mention about Sn0, hopeless said it showed he was actively reading, so I took a look and it looked pretty dumb
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I used process of elimination to discover all 3 scum in I Swear 1, method's fine.
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Why are you just asking me reading comprehension questions T_T:
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On August 29 2013 13:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm surprisingly content with where my vote is.
It was, of course, utter bullshit though so It's coming off. Hopefully there will be something interesting in the morning.
##Unvote
p.s. PLS BASED RAYN NO SPAMS
Saying "I'm content with my vote" suggests that scrib did nothing to show he was town/was still just as scummy to Sn0. Which means he's read what's happened in the 5 hours between his posts.
The flipflop between being content then backing off doesn't really make sense to me. My thought process behind that is to reduce the chances of the one you're voting for (scrib in this case) tunnelling you / making hard cases against you early. Lurking/disappearing with no vote is easier to get away with than disappearing with a vote on someone as scum.
Firm:
On August 29 2013 10:31 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi, I'm here. Reading now. I predict rayn is gonna call me out on this post and accuse me of being scum.
Idk if that says he's reading, but in my opinion it says they are reading.
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His vote was in the first hour aka troll and do wtf you want hour. Whether it's a troll or not though, you'd have to unvote at some point so doing it before you leave is optimal for lurking purposes.
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On August 30 2013 00:40 Sn0_Man wrote:NVM I lied. Syl I need some help reconciling the difference between this post (which was SPOT on by the way, I was impressed with how accurate it was). Bolded for emphasis on the relevant part. Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 16:30 Sylencia wrote:On August 29 2013 16:21 sciberbia wrote:
Of course you can ask me who I think is mafia. I'm a little disappointed because there isn't much to go on yet, but my best guesses at mafia would be sn0_man, yourself, and yamato, in that order.
1) sn0_man for being in the thread for hours without doing anything relevant at all. And making some weird comment about being content with his vote on me, but then unvoting me for no reason.
2) Yourself for making some imo poor scumhunting attempts -- see above. Not sure how much of that is due to alchohol and how much due to your alignment though.
3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless.
I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. Sn0, not really - reading his second post makes it look like he skimmed the thread, unvoted and went off to sleep or something. If he was around for hours I would've expected more than 2 posts there.debears - Agreed, mainly so far just due to the fact he's pushing on a lynch based on an exaggerated statement - at least I assume it was exaggerated. Given the rest of the post I'm quoting, maybe it's not but I saw it as being exaggerated. yamato - He's not avoiding discussion (I think), I just think his read on marv is weak. And your later stuff: Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:44 Sylencia wrote:
That said, Sn0 is on the list for the same reason as FT. They both read, then both post crap a few hours later with the implication that they've read everything and then leave.
In Sn0's case he says he finds himself satisfied with his vote, meaning he found something scummy with scrib, but then unvotes saying it was utter bs and leaves. I'm not so much a fan of this 180 since you had me pegged in the first one. Hopeless's filter does NOT reveal anything that would change that read I don't think.
First time was a quick filter dive to see what scribs was going on about - I took what was said at a very basic level and gave a gut reading on it.
Second time round, I'm reading filters more in depth, I'm actually looking at the context around posts, and I found it to be worse this time (in addition, while you mention hopeless's posts give no alignment indication which is why I went to yours after I read his, I'm pretty sure active lurking is what scum is after).
Anyways, sleep time hopefully you guys don't spam this to 40 pages
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On August 30 2013 05:38 debears wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia
Where you been dude?
As big as our spiders and snakes are, Australians do have to sleep too
On August 30 2013 07:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 07:23 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 07:19 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa wanna lynch Sylencia? No. I already said earlier that his posts seem innocent enough. What posts in particular seem "innocent?" Also, what do you make of the contradiction I pointed out in his filter? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=27#522 Are we attacking people for dropping contradictions? Yeah it's odd, but not much more than that. It's not even the most glaring of contradictions. Contradictions aren't always scummy, but I think this one is. I really can't map out a town thought-process in what he did. It seems like he forgot he defended Sn0, then attacked him instead when pressed for reads.
Not really, I was more swayed by further reasoning after reading filters and putting some more serious thought into it.
I explained it before, and I'll explain it again:
- Scrib asks for opinions on his initial reads
- I haven't looked into sn0 that hard, so I take a quick look at his filter. Doesn't look too bad. Say that, move on.
Later on, we've got the part where I'm reading other filters.
Hopeless mentions sn0 was saying stuff to prove he was "actively reading". He never said sn0 was scum, but I go and check sn0's filter again and actually properly analysing it gave me the feeling of "Hey guys, I've read everything in the past 5 hours, but I've got nothing to say except I'm happy with my vote on scrib. JK, unvote."
Pretty sure I've explained this already.
@Hapa Would you actually prefer it if I played to my meta rather than trying to be more active? There's something called trying to improve, my day 1s are still horrible than ever but I've actually tried to do something useful for us this game and it's not allowed for meta reasons
Updated reads incoming in like 5-6 hours when I get back because catching up took my entire lunch break
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Nope, wrong state I plan to someday though ;o
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Alright, here's my current views:
FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT.
Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart:
On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.
I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself.
His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter).
More soonish
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Also, reading debears - following his drunk posts, his scum hunting since has been pretty high quality compared to whatever else has been going on. I'm just sad that his vote's currently on me.
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On August 30 2013 17:22 Tutankoopa wrote:
Syl I think there are things more deserving of your attention than what you chose to post about. What are your thoughts regarding thread sentiment, and has anything stuck out at you from any of the major discussions?
In regards to the players whom I've played with before, nothing really sticks out as being out of the ordinary from when they've been town. The only thing I'm concerned about going into D1 lynch is that we've spread ourselves thin on lynch targets for the day. It's fine that we're suspecting each other but if everyone suspects someone else then we're not going to be able to coordinate a proper lynch and scum can manipulate us rather easily. I doubt this would ever pass but considering we have 5 people with votes on them at the moment - would it be wrong to suggest that we stick to the 5 listed and consolidate on them instead?
Note: This doesn't mean that we completely ignore the rest of the town, but considering there's only about 12 hours left in the day, those cases can be put forward N1 onwards. This will also help us prevent unwanted last minute bandwagons on someone completely irrelevant and we remain focused on the main suspects.
Pretty sure I went off topic there, but it's something I was considering before.
On August 30 2013 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am far interested in Sylencia's last post than Onegu.
What are you interested in?
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On August 30 2013 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sylencia i am interested in the fact that you lean town on Tutankoopa and your reasons for it are the bad cases from Oats and Hopeless (that's reasonable). What's not reasonable is that you are unwilling to comment on anything i have said about him and justifying it by saying "i'm not reading rayn's filter". That is bullshit. If you are unable to read 5 pages of filter you are not gonna be an asset for the town no later than N1 because almost all filters are gonna be 5 pages at then.
So you claim you don't want to read the only real accusations against Tutan. You clim you are gonna be useless later on in the game. What gives?
Yeah, that was pretty lazy, and I did say "unless I'm missing something". Sounds like I was missing something, so I'll have to go and find it now. Don't go jumping down my throat assuming that I wasn't going to do it if I needed to.
In terms of avoiding your filter, my mind makes it so hard for me to concentrate because I've got the preconception that the majority of your posts are spam (only because of what I saw in P4, nothing to do with this game). I read what you say as you say it, but I don't go back and read it again. It's hard. In addition, you're assuming that I'm going to be rereading every filter from start to finish every time I am off to read filters rather than what's new and some old for context.
Anyways, you're making me go through your filter for the case so I'll go and do that.
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Damn it, you do have an 8 page filter, I thought it was only 5 >=[
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On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all.
Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on):
- No real direction in his play
- He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering
- Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker.
To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently.
Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing
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On August 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing The difference is that's what Onegu always does as town and does not do as scum.
Meta sucks, concentrate on the game at hand. If it's worse, and you think Tutan is scum, Onegu should be way higher on the list.
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On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it
Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2?
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So we've replaced hopeless with a spammer? This is terrible
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Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.
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Note: I did originally say that FT was decent choice, but Oats is right:
On August 30 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
no yamato, lets not lynch a lurker, it like never ever works.
I don't really remember a time in any of my games when full lurker ends up being scum.
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Hey guys, wtf happened in the last 18 pages... There were literally 3 or 4 different wagons going on and they were flipping every hour?
@Tutan, I was saying that before...
Anyways, everyone was complaining that I didn't comment on Hopeless. At the time I was going to read his filter again, he got replaced. I don't even know what to say in that kind of situation. Are we supposed to wait for Slam to comment on the happenings of town? Was I supposed to put down a vote on Alakaslam in the 1 hour the was in the game before I slept because he was being useless and Hopeless wasn't exactly the most townie character in the game? I probably should've actually said that I wasn't going to vote for Slam to see what he said, but I didn't even wake up in time for the deadline T_T.
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