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On August 31 2013 05:01 kitaman27 wrote: No time for research/developing a case at the moment.
I'll also probably look at OO as well. Is that a Black Mesa crumb or some shit? Never played HL but I feel like that's somehow relevant.
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On August 31 2013 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Well BM members claiming is a good idea imo because it will force non-town members into the public discussion.
I am not in Black Mesa. I'm a fucking idiot---I automatically thought bad mannered when people used BM throughout the thread, even when people were talking about Black Mesa.
Anyway, the problem with this is first of all, we don't even know how many BM members there are. Considering how many people have yet to post or do anything in the thread, it's entirely possible those people haven't posted in BM QT either, and now have absolutely no reason to.
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On August 31 2013 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting mechanic. I'm almost upset at Onegu for outting it so early XD Big plays possible with something like that for both town AND scum. If you're almost upset, imagine how the BM players must feel. I don't see Onegu having 'leaked' that on purpose though---fucks up gameplay for too many people so he's almost certainly town.
Onegu we need some codenames, stat. How many players are in there that you know of?
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On August 31 2013 05:38 kitaman27 wrote: That guy who calls himself "DefinitelyNotWaveofShadow" is pretty suspicious. K now I can't tell if you're joking or not. GET OUT OF MY HEAD KITA
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On August 31 2013 05:39 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 31 2013 05:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 31 2013 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote: That said, every townie who is in Black Mesa SHOULD claim. It's only scum and 3p who don't want to do that, and probably won't (they're anonymous), so either we'll have a group of which most are likely town. I'm not so sure. I'd be careful. I mean onego and stotters already did it, but it may not be the smartest thing. Identities staying unknown may serve for their own protection as much as the others' Protection from what? kitaman the mad sk that has to kill his mason partners for example? Except revealing codenames and the number of people who are in there doesn't ruin anyone's 'protection' so at the very least if people aren't going to claim themselves, we should know how many there are.
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lulz.
Something random I thought of (and Geript will feel me on this)---there is no fucking way we are ever going to get a lynch today. We couldn't even get a majority lynch in Bluelightz mafia. How the fuck are we ever going to get 16 people to BE HERE to kill someone, let alone agree on a target.
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On August 31 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote: I think we should try to lynch the unlynchable, worst case we nolynch which might have happened anyway in such a big game. I agree with this completely.
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Here's my issue with Geript. This play reminds me a LOT of his play in PTP in which he polled random people for stuff, made a lot of cryptic role-related posts, and ALSO called himself unlynchable (turns out he lied, but he was bussed).
He says he has some sort of towny motivation to do what he's doing so he's going to have to reveal it sooner than later but I would absolutely not be surprised in the slightest if he were lying about being unlynchable. Clarity's idea about it forcing a no-lynch where we actually gain some information is great (of course we still have to convince 16 people to vote for him). What I'm worried the most about is him gaining some anti-town power from people voting for him. Definitely within the realm of possibility and is the sole reason why I am not currently voting him.
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On August 31 2013 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:16 AxleGreaser wrote:On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote:On August 30 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote: The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.
Three theories, none of which you like 1) cora is scum 2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad 3) cora is butthurt
one of these fits quite well with your personality What about 4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched? There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh. On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote: @WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please. Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit? Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like. Here's my problem bbygrl. Cora knows about his reputation at the moment. He also knows players in this game know about it. Clearly doing this on purpose for whatever reason. He may be butthurt on top of all this, but he's certainly a good enough player (as bad as you say he is) to not let that show unless he wants to show it. I believe that you know all of the above as well BH, so why antagonize him? I could very well have antagonized Cora as well (and was about to; anyone who played in the LOL Inhouse a couple days ago will probably know what I mean) but I didn't. In calling me a dick he's making a play here. I don't think I'm being a dick (and sorry if I actually am, Slamdance). I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph. {emphadd} So BH, having seen the response, what was Cora's alignment? Given Dandels post... + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote: Yes, hello.
Replacing Corazon I see.
Last time i did that he couldn't handle the ball requirement of playing scum and fucked off because he rolled scum Now I see the butthurt is overflowing.
While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure)
Thus I feel it is my responsibility to FUCK YOU YOU ARE ALL SONS OF A BITCHES WHY DID YOU STEAL MY CANDY RAWEAWESESKEJLKSJEFLKWEJF
*sob*
everyone is so mean to me!
/curtains
Whoooooooo What do you make of Dandels suggestion his alignment might not be the same as Coras was? Cora was almost certainly town. I will say this, to his credit: He responded in a fashion which I had not predicted. Not bad given how meta I went on him. Re: dandel's suggestion-- nothing really to make of it. He could easily be a different alignment, and in fact, that sounds like the exact sort of thing GreyMist would do. His first few posts were bad but he's picked up steam which seems pretty normal for a day 1, especially a day 1 in a hyoooj themed game like this. I don't think he's particularly worth my attention going forwards Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt see BH as trying to pick a fight kita, it felt to me like he was trying to get Cora to play the game properly.
Clarity, it wasnt a policy vote for dandel cause hes trolling, like that means when Dandel stops he would unvote. I dont see any of that. Im not taking it as a policy lynch, im taking it as intent to kill Dandel specifically because of his play. I think people are forgetting that what I said re: Cora was almost certainly a soft defense. I wasn't attacking him! I was pointing out that his actions weren't inherently scummy because he was, erm, "butthurt" about certain players. I was giving the dude an out. I was expecting him to either get really mad, thereby demonstrating his serious madditude, or to say to me "oh shiii dude you're right i was hecka mad" In any case you guys might interpret this as mean old Blazinghand being scum and trolling someone literally out of the game, but everything I said about cora was also literally correct. Contrast how I interacted with TPS that one time when I was Wade Fell. Not saying that I couldn't change my shit up, as I am a master of trickery, but my stuff on cora? SPOT ON. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hi. Can we lynch this guy? If I have to explain why, you are not town or bad. On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote: Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.
What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.
Some thoughts: 1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town? 2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that. 3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage. 4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time. 5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?
On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts. ##Vote: Felkyr Have you played with Felkyr before? because if you had you'd be 100% ok with this post So....BH. I was re-reading the thread like a good little towny and I came across this. Can you in all honesty say that you did not expect the outcome of your exchange with Cora considering how incensed he clearly already was? Especially considering: a) You made it very clear that you know Cora VERY well b) You yourself made him ragequit the Skype group at one point.
I would not put it past you at all considering your antagonistic playstyle at times to have planned that somehow. To what end I have no idea. It just doesn't seem likely that you were doing it to defend him of all things while very clearly being a jerk to him.
And another thing. Why haven't you attacked me yet? Or made any read at all towards me?
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On August 31 2013 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Wave I'm like super stoked you're here. There's been a whole lot of talk about geript lately, and I'm interested on your thoughts on the matter. Earlier you called something he said (I think it was the claim itself) a scumslip. Do you now think it's not a scumslip?
I guess what I'm sayin is...can I count on your support in the lynch to come? Will you be the wind on which the wings of my scum lynch will take flight? I called it a scumclaim, not a scumslip. As I said earlier this reads to be exactly like Geript scum from PTP but in this game it feels even more likely than that one that he'd gain some sort of advantage by getting people to vote for him. In the interest of consolidation when the time comes consider me in I suppose but for now I'm scurred.
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I'm super fucking frustrated here with all of the lurk. I've said it before and I'll say it again---there is basically zero reason for any of the scum/antitown to do any posting at all since we as a town are just going to let them get away with it. I hope people have tons of fucking vig roles and will use them because I never end up with any.
Geript, I remember you supporting me regarding my lurkiness stance. Where you at regarding that? Where's your town motivation for claiming what you did---since you did agree with me back then I wanted to believe you're town but you're making it impossible. How long do you plan on letting it go, because I doubt people are going to believe you regarding whether you're actually unlynchable.
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On August 31 2013 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not very reassuring - but I guess it's better than you like...nonsensically defending him like BH and SnB have been doing.
Thanks Wave! <3 I misread that and was about to yell at you for assuming I was defending him. lol Let's you and me talk some more. I seem to remember you having the ability to read Oats (at least much better than I'd be able to). What's with him?
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On August 31 2013 10:20 geript wrote: Patience padawn, patience. I can only be so patient, luv muffin. Eventually my desire for consolidation will overturn my fear of repercussions and I will be forced to change my vote. Can you give me some sort of a timeframe? Some reassurance? Anything at all? If whatever you're going to do will happen after the day deadline then it may already be predetermined.
And again if you ARE in fact town, why are you not at least attempting to help us out? Hell, even more than the meta case I have against you this is probably more damning and the reason most people are voting you (aside from the claim). Like, if you have some town-aligned power you can use when votes reach majority on you or something you essentially force a waste of a lynch today if you don't claim in some way.
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On August 31 2013 10:23 Blazinghand wrote: In any case you can think that I masterminded some plot to get cora to go full on babby tier cryface and bail from this game but what purpose could that possibly serve as any alignment? It sure made me look bad, and since he's been replaced we have no idea if DI's role is the same as his role. Even if I was scum and trying to make cora quit, HE GOT REPLACED ANYWAYS. It's not like I've eliminated a townie. In fact, given that Cora was replaced by dandel ion, who is infinitely more competent and somewhat more level-headed, I'd say it was a net improvement.
In fact, you should be THANKING me from defending cora so hard he ragequitted the game and all of TL Mafia, cause now we have DI instead. I didn't hate Cora as much as other people seem to (though I do like DI). And yes you have a point regarding not having 'eliminated' a townie which is the disconnect I'm having. I can't come up with the reason why you would do what you did exactly. The defense thing makes sense to a degree but if that's really how you planned on defending him it was a real shit way to do so. There is no reason to be devious and force Cora to rage in the thread if proving him towny was your goal...you just could have fucking TOLD us. (Why need to prove him towny in the first place at all...?)
Also fuck being lazy BH. In every game we've played together we have had significant antagonistic interaction, and this one appears to be the exception. Why?
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On August 31 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Well honestly he's usually got a bit more to go on than he has this game - not sure whether to attribute it to scummy indifference or townie ambivalence. He's got a couple of nuggz though that make me think town. For instance, calling SnB's case on me bad. Superficially that's pretty null - someone calling an apple an apple can come from either alignment. However look at the context - SnB had just gotten through writing a case on me. I know I'm town, but presumably Oats would have us believe that he doesn't. Yet he jumps to my defense. So why would a scum Oats jump to the defense of a townVE? However his lack of activity in general is cause for concern. Ultimately I'm pretty null on Oats.  I'm interested in why you think I can read the guy though - I'm notoriously bad about reading Oats if truth be told - to the point where I've considered raising him as a policy lynch D1. Well then I guess I remembered/assumed wrong. I've talked about policy lynching Oats in the past as well (Geript knows). Cora obviously agreed with that POV. Is there anyone at all who can read Oats properly?
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On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote: In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies. lol yeah, but no. In Les Mis he did shit like this and was town (but got lynched anyway lololololol) Man I'm even reading these recent posts in his voice and shit. It's such a weird phenomenon having gotten to know a bunch of your voices better now.
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On August 31 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote: In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies. I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him. Wait so you definitely didn't think this (and so assumed that Cora is either smarter than that/would pick up on it/whatever) and yet you called my idea that he'd be smart enough to fake it ridiculous?
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On August 31 2013 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 31 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Well honestly he's usually got a bit more to go on than he has this game - not sure whether to attribute it to scummy indifference or townie ambivalence. He's got a couple of nuggz though that make me think town. For instance, calling SnB's case on me bad. Superficially that's pretty null - someone calling an apple an apple can come from either alignment. However look at the context - SnB had just gotten through writing a case on me. I know I'm town, but presumably Oats would have us believe that he doesn't. Yet he jumps to my defense. So why would a scum Oats jump to the defense of a townVE? However his lack of activity in general is cause for concern. Ultimately I'm pretty null on Oats.  I'm interested in why you think I can read the guy though - I'm notoriously bad about reading Oats if truth be told - to the point where I've considered raising him as a policy lynch D1. Well then I guess I remembered/assumed wrong. I've talked about policy lynching Oats in the past as well (Geript knows). Cora obviously agreed with that POV. Is there anyone at all who can read Oats properly? To be honest man, Oats SHOULD make his alignment clear. If he doesn't, then he does anyway because he's scum. It basically follows a pattern like this: Oats looks scummy, but eventually starts saying things only townies say or thinking of things the way only townies do. Time is the best medicine for this one I think. Talk to me about HiroPro - does he truly walk the Righteous Path of the Brown? Or is he just some scummy faker faking fake stuff like a faker? I haven't been around long enough to really understand the deal with Chez, even after having played a couple games with him. What does Hiro's subforum history look like? If he's been involved in games that have involved the Brown in some way I can see him attempting to fake it, but otherwise I would assume it truly is part of his role in some way (not that I know what that means).
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