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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 12 2013 02:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah I meant screwed in my future scum games, not my town games  Believe it or not people have a hard time reading meta when you are good scum. As good scum, you seem pro town but are consistently wrong. As an average to good town, you aren't always right and you seem pro town. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
On September 12 2013 02:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah I meant screwed in my future scum games, not my town games It'll just be harder. I don't think you're on "Ace" level yet, where you get scrutinized and lynched almost solely because of your reputation. I think people will just be more wary to call you town so easily. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On September 03 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah, I look townier as scum than as scum ^^ On September 03 2013 04:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Me too ^^ Just read my quote by prom. On September 03 2013 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote: So clearly you are scum this game huh  On September 03 2013 04:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 100% true, next level Oats | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Looking too townie to be alive is rarely a huge concern since nobody is going to lynch you on that reason alone. If it leads to a legitimate case being made, however, it can become an issue. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On September 12 2013 02:42 GreYMisT wrote: A question to Black Mesa: This is the second game I have done involving the player list moving around. Did you enjoy trying to manipulate the list towards your own ends while having to deal with unknowns like scum in the mason chat? I enjoyed it, but there were a couple issues which fixing would make it better imo. We had no idea how changes to the list resolve(I apparently had priority over some other actions because n1 my check didn't hit who I wanted it to and Shiao was 2 slots below me instead of one). After that I stopped trying to understand it. Not necessarily a full list of cop then watcher then other list modifiers or whatever, but even if I wanted to plan with Onegu to set up ourselves for a check/watch on someone, it was still a toss up. The other issue with Black Mesa was there was no incentive to post in it, at all as town with the pseudonyms. With scum possibly in it, planning wasn't reliable because you'd be announcing what you were doing. The best we could accomplish was establish scum was in there, which doesn't do anything with pseudonyms. I probably wouldn't have posted in there period had Onegu not outed himself, except maybe for a will post. Not sure how to fix that one other than requiring real names if you post, but then scum has no incentive to post in it at all. Maybe something like they get a vote to either give a power, a mini-election to give vet status or something like that. Overall the game was a blast, thanks for hosting. Cross I disagree about not claiming to BM, but I'll have to type that up. Regardless, thanks for the analysis. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
A. Survival Hiding/Blending in Posting long but contentless posts Lurking Indecision Not wanting to point fingers Avoiding responsibility Apathy about who is lynched* B. Pushing their agenda Promoting confusion Avoiding contributing new ideas Making a big deal about nothing Cherry Picking town mistakes while ignoring contributions | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
I might bring this mechanic back later, after experimenting with it in 2 games I find its fun and unusual, and its really complicated to resolve if you are not used to it or dont have clear orders written out for every role. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 12 2013 03:27 Dandel Ion wrote: Clarity wasn't obv town at all. Yet nobody could tell why he is scum. Why? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 12 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Dandel could, although he couldnt explain it to me It's the same thing that happened in GoT with me. It doesn't mean shit if obs QT (or even living players) or whatever knows you are scum, if they can't lynch you. You did what you had to, you won, nobody lynched you. ggyo! :D | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I liked this version, but I think there might be some problems in any non-giant game with making it interesting. You need a certain number of shifting roles, scum probably needs 1-2, you maybe need a 3P that interacts with shifting, feels like it requires a large commitment if it's not a major focus of the game. Heck, almost seems like you could build a Death Factory-esque game out of it. Player 1 gets lynched, people have abilities to move folks on the list, check slots next to them. I don't know that it's unique enough to not just be Death Factory, though. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
I'll just say a few things about some roles. The idea behind austin's iGrok role was that mafia could take a risk and recruit non-mafia to a sleeper cell for extra kp if they felt they could control that person or that person had bad reads. If he wanted to play safe, he could just add mafia to the cell and not use kp. I am sad that cephiro didn't get shot because I wanted him to use the other part of his role lol. I also wished the game went longer, so that the Red and Blue could have battled longer because then they would have gotten more than just a 1-shot mason each lol. Yeah, I don't think I have much more to say. Congrats VE and Wave and scum for winning. I guess my biggest advice for town this game would have been to follow this guide: A General Guide to Playing Mafia. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 12 2013 03:00 Crossfire99 wrote: I forgot to say it earlier, but a big thanks to GreY for hosting this game. He did a lot of work coming up with the setup and roles and making sure that things are fun and crazy, but still balanced. I'd definitely play in/host another one of his games anytime (but you'd probably figure that out anyway from my game history lol). Let me make it known for when my PYP gets posted, I took a whole bunch of inspiration from Greymist, abd I am also consulting with him on certain things (including balance). Hopefully that's some incentive for people to join when the time comes. For now, maybe go join Xfire's game!! :D | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On September 12 2013 04:13 austinmcc wrote: I think that the Black Mesa group in Aperture 2 was a neat idea, but didn't work well given that they were supposed to manipulate the list together and when crossfire died they couldn't shift people around (iirc). I liked this version, but I think there might be some problems in any non-giant game with making it interesting. You need a certain number of shifting roles, scum probably needs 1-2, you maybe need a 3P that interacts with shifting, feels like it requires a large commitment if it's not a major focus of the game. Heck, almost seems like you could build a Death Factory-esque game out of it. Player 1 gets lynched, people have abilities to move folks on the list, check slots next to them. I don't know that it's unique enough to not just be Death Factory, though. I actually thought there WAS a Death Factory game element...considering there are roles that have been in previous games and verily part of the game TOOK PLACE in a previous game, I suspected that someone was going to activate "the incinerator" one of those night-phases. | ||
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