EPTno clue if I played 3 or 4 newbie games it's been a long time either way. If you need another player I have the time though ^^
If it's only 3 I'll /in though
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On August 07 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote: Hi OE. Long time no see =) Yeah you've played in 4 newbies already (33,34,35,38) so you can only replace. Thanks Cora! ^^ and yeah it has been awhile  been too busy to try to commit to any games lately  Here's hoping you don't actually need me to replace anybody lol | ||
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Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out. so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently. I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now. And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody. As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town. JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again. I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier. | ||
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On August 18 2013 07:49 Holyflare wrote: I like how you ignore everything I've said the entirety of the game just to focus on the person I put my vote on. It was my girlfriends birthday today (went out yesterday for it/party today) so I left my vote on the safest person so far. If he posted once and voted he'd be still in the game and I would NOT be alright with that, I would 100% not be alright with wasting 2 days just so we could fucking waste another day talking about him and wasting the day on him. That's a pretty massive issue.... the objective isn't to find the safest person to vote for and then do it as town..... Your reason of not wanting to get rid of somebody who might contribute doesn't work in this case. Xzavier had literally not made a single post, was very likely to be modkilled and you had stronger feelings against another player but you kept your vote on him because it was safer? Am I reading that right? Safer for what? Town on D1 doesn't need to worry about what the safe vote is. if you wanted to be safe why didn't you just ##Vote:No-Lynch instead of putting it on somebody who wouldn't defend himself. I'm fairly certain I just got that last part wrong, would a mod be kind enough to tell me/us what the correct format is to vote for a no-lynch? Thanks! | ||
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On August 18 2013 07:54 Holyflare wrote: I also find it funny that you jump on everyone voting Xzavier when everyones alternative was squibbles who also would get modkilled, totally legit reasoning... not Squibbles said two things, I have the gift of knowing that he was town and therefore I can tell you he was either a very new, or bored townie. His two posts also indicate that and while I was reading the game before being subbed in for him my read on him was town. Why are you deflecting the subject? Squibbles didn't get voted on, if he had this wouldn't be as bad as it is. At least you could argue Squibbles had said he would contribute but never did. | ||
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On August 18 2013 08:31 Holyflare wrote: I also thought he was town from what he has posted (if you actually read anything I posted, it seems you haven't). I am also not deflecting, the point you raised was that you shouldn't vote for a 0 poster, squibbles was a 2 poster with a no vote that also got modkilled, the REST of the town was on him right until the final minutes where they bandwagoned iVLosK! and then subsequently Xzavier. There was some suspicious shit there though and I'll leave it till the day before I discuss it. Not making the same mistake as my last game. you are mistaking me asking you questions for me making a case against you. I don't need to start quoting your filter to bring up how weird your vote was and your logic behind it. However the soft town claim bothers me quite a bit especially with how the game has played out so far. Why I think Holy is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 03:19 Holyflare wrote: Here's the run down so far, yeh it's early but /care Stuffz going down: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote: Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said. Here we have squibbles pointing out what I find to be obvious but what many of us failed to say. He didn't need to backtrack but he did because this is an important point, it isn't beating a dead horse and implies that he'd like further discussion if this arises in the future, I like this guy. Also agrees with not posting bs spam. +++++ Would like to hear more when he's back from work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deus started a bit wishy washy but I'm assuming he is being more aprehensive over the last game where he started with full on aggression against reps. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote: If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy. I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game. Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum. I'm liking this post, yet, it seems this game he is going all out aggressive on lurkers. Lurkers annoy me yes but he hasn't really added anything yet in terms of proper content other than elaborating his policy when asked which increases my suspicions of people that are rating him as a town player for now ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not sure about this lonemeow guy, he has the town mentality sure with stuff like this: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 15:26 LoneMeow wrote: Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player. On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest. however he hasn't had to talk about other people so I cannot give a good read on him whatsoever yet. If you read this lonemeow I want your full impressions on iVLosK! and Slam. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What I am REALLY quizzical about are why people are riding iVLosK!'s dick so fucking hard, he implies he hate's wishy washy bull shit but has provided absolutely 0 content in his posts so far: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote: No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon. This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points. I spare thee, and await further posts. This is his only thing that has any merit and it's a line about him agreeing with a post.... like seriously I question the people that lean town on this guy... Stupid obvious shit 1: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 07:41 iVLosK! wrote: I would argue that the rap was very aggressive. Krizz Kaliko does not fuck around. Stupid obvious shit 2: + Show Spoiler + Stupid obvious shit 3: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote: Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy. For a guy that states he hates people that talk about "stupid obvious shit" he sure is hypocritical. He's also just devolved into talking about lynching lurkers in his last post, again, no content. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Slam... is slam, but this game he's seemed to get his shit somewhat together: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote: Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it. Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...) HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys. "Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2) Fellows, pleeeze!! Confused about his town read on iVLosK obviously and mentioning me over everyone else seems a bit quizzical too as I didn't post much. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff. I like this post but by this nature he should also assume that ivlosk is now scummy (after reading my post/his filter), he has a habit of being swayed easily by people who are expressing pro town interests which you all need to watch out for too. Obviously the game is early and you can't read too much into what he is saying so press him lots <3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JAT hasn't really added anything other than his dislike of fakeclaims, can't read into him at all so would like to hear more from him too, will push him on people when he is around. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content. I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game. /spoiler] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will push people for reads and things if they are around when I post this First off we have this large post which looks impressive at first, then after reading it you realize it doesn't say a whole lot other than the first few posts of nearly everybody gives him a town vibe. This is behavior of somebody who wants to look like they are contributing without actually putting anything of worth into a very large post very early into the game when there isn't really much information to go on. Tries to get on the good side of multiple people and not disturb things too much. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote: JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 07:29 Holyflare wrote: So you liked his rap and pointless posts about being a zergling? Ok sounds reasonable....... Oh wait not really, i want you to filter dive like i have done and specifically point out what it is you like and why It is irrelevant for now why i picked these 2 people Slam if you are still here what are your thoughts on deus and JAT? Another scummy move is to constantly keep asking people what they think about the others and not answering or very briefly answering questions directed at yourself. This way again it looks like you are contributing when in reality it is the others doing most of the talking. Also I happen to like LosK's pointless talk as it is part of the reason I have a slight town read on him. He seems very comfortable to talk about nothing in particular which sets most scum on edge and can sometimes make him a target for others to try and attack because of it. Which you later do. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote: I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 21:26 Holyflare wrote: ##Vote xzavier for now as a placeholder until something more obvious comes forward Not a townie vote or mindset to have. As mentioned before No-Lynch is always an option. Town does not look for the "safe" or "easy" votes. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 23:48 Holyflare wrote: If he posts at 6.59 he will not be modkilled, hence the placeholder vote, it can be moved anytime I feel like it onto someone more suspicious. It is also madatory to vote for someone otherwise you will also probably be warned/modkilled, if I was to suddenly become inundated with things to do later at least my vote would be on a worthy person. It is more suspicious that people have not voted at all with only 3 hours left to go. This is also a plurality lynch meaning that the person with the most votes, not majority will be voted off. Do you really want to vote off the guy that has at least said something rather than the person that has said nothing? + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 00:17 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote: D' Oh. I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too. Wasn't this the post where you said you were using it to build a 'case'? You agreed with JAT that relying on modkills would be bad so why have you gone 180 on squibbles when you originally liked his first post? (here: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote: No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon. This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points. I spare thee, and await further posts. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 23:55 iVLosK! wrote: A last second vote from Xzavier would be tantamount to admitting he is scum. If he does, we just lynch him D2. I would much prefer to allow him to be modkilled and we can see what his replacement has to say. I much prefer reps or sqibbles for the lynch and will vote squibbles because multiple players have stated that reps is always like this. ##Vote: Squibbles You do NOT want to accidently vote off a town member if they have contributed, even 1 or 2 posts, compared to somebody who has done none for now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I honestly do not understand how people can think you are acting town when you flip flop all over the place on almost every post you make: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote: Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy. Nothing has been noted in your posts since then that implies you'd even think about modkills or squibbles voting, you just seem to be bandwagoning with no valid reason for the easy lynch. Clearly you've had a problem with LosK all game, yet you continue to keep your vote on Xzavier, I can only assume it is to be "safe". Lastly please don't soft claim town with a "I'm not going to post my thoughts at night, cause I might get NK'd!" after playing like shit and tunneling LosK for most of the day for play that I and a few others consider to be town aligned. It's bullshit. My town reads are still JAT and LosK, I think if Koshi continues to play exactly as he has been I feel pretty comfortable calling him town as well. I think he's right with saying scum was on the Xzavier lynch. I'm also leaning towards town on Lonemeow as I've really liked some of his posts, in particular these: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 17:53 LoneMeow wrote: So do you think he's scum? Why so non-committal? Your filter is worrying, low activity and I get a feel that you're just trying to find a target to latch on rather than trying to find scum. + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 01:29 LoneMeow wrote: When I dropped my vote on Squibbles I was fully expecting him to speak up before the deadline as he had said he's reading the thread during EU daytime. Now that it looks like he might be modkilled/replaced just like Xzavier I'm fully prepared to switch. I'm fully prepared to switch to iVLosK! - as I've stated he seems to be suspiciously timid compared to his style in XLII and the point about not bringing much content that Holyflare brings up has merit. Also, now that you're here, can I have a few reads from you? To me this looks like a town motivated mind set. He's actively watching what people are doing and how they are reacting to things and trying to see the town/scum reasoning behind each action. Actually by quoting these I realize Slam also voted on Xzavier as a place holder at first. wtf. Sheep placeholder at that, scummy as hell. Add that to how much his vote jumped around and he makes me pretty nervous I think Deus looks pretty scummy as well and also mentioned he wanted a "safe" place to put his vote. After looking through his filter carefully though I no longer think he's the scummiest out of all three. | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:14 justanothertownie wrote: I agree with your reasoning itself, Omni. Deus and Alakaslam look quite scummy with their voting behaviour. I am not so sure about IVLosk being town - I don't think his careless posting is enough to give him a town read especially because he is a veteran mafia player. You raise some interesting points about HolyFlare. I will read him again (he was null to me before your case). please by all means pick my case apart as well, I wasn't able to say this because I was so late in joining this game but I believe not only does Koshi's death prove he was on the right track, but that in order to correctly pick the scum off the Xzavier lynch we need to go through each others cases and almost play devils advocate on how certain points might be considered town rather than scum. Admittedly at least in my case I find it very difficult to find town motivation behind a players actions after I think they are scum. I'll have to take another look at LosK then as well. He's messing around a lot which makes it very difficult for me to read him. I just don't think scum would be so openly ballsy as he is being lol | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Please take a very careful look at him and compare his play to NMM XLII. Either he's town trolling very hard (why would he do that?) or scum trying to play some weird mind games. I'll take a look at his filter from that game, thanks | ||
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"A common misconception in a majority lynch system is that no-lynch is bad due to the notion that flips are the only source of information. While flips are useful in confirming information, there are many cases where it is clear that town is bandwagoning a player and will lead to a mislynch. In most cases, a bandwagon lynch on a townie is not going to produce any useful information. Without serious competition for a lynch target, the mafia don’t have any incentive to either jump on or stay off the bandwagon. Unless there is insurmountable evidence that the target is mafia, a quick bandwagon usually suggests that the player is town. Don’t be afraid to no-lynch in this situation. Going with the flow and agreeing to bandwagon a townie stifles discussion and allows the mafia to coast through the day without giving up any information. It is better to force the discussion and risk a no-lynch than to go along with an obvious town bandwagon." While this is plurality lynch the logic still applies. Why do you think no-lynch is bad? We'd still have another townie if you had done it, what a terrible thing to have right? Instead you lynched a guy who made 0 posts. what you NEVER do is lynch a guy with 0 posts. He either makes a last minute vote and gets himself killed D2 or is modkilled. Also you were around with plenty of time to change your vote. You made your big post on him after you voted on Xzavier so enough with that bullshit, you simply chose not to move your vote. but fine newb townie is what it seems you're going for and I can kind of see it. I can agree that Slam looks worse than you at this point anyway. | ||
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It was also that while I was just an observer in this game JAT was using the better terminology. looking for a "better" target rather than "easier" ect. I've found a lot of small scum slips in newbie games eventually come out in the wording that a lot of people tend to miss. That being said a lot of townies also do that crap -.- He also (although should be obvious to most of us) advises people to stop talking/making association cases before we lynch scum or even see the alignment of any players. I really liked his posting while watching the game and he has continued to not trigger any warning flags for me to consider him to be scum. He's the greenest townie we've got imo other than the two confirmed. Just like I said about you Lone I believe he's looking at things with a pretty townie mindset. if I had to give my list of town/scum now, it's a bit different in order than before. Xzavier Koshi JAT Lone LosK Holy Deus Slam | ||
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The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum. | ||
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The voting from both of them (slam and Deus) are terrible. Slam isn't going to be here for 24 hours meaning we won't be able to get him to answer anything till the last half of D2 if that. Deus has been extremely quiet for a long time now as well and as was just pointed out his posting filter is full of hypocrisy and is from what others have said nearly the exact opposite of how he normally plays town. instead of trying to put together connections that don't exist yet I believe we should ONLY be looking at Slam and Deus for lynch candidates today. I still believe LosK to be town, and tbh my case against Holy is largely centered on his vote on Xzavier which clearly some townie made the mistake of voting for. I'm not ruling out the case of scum Holy but I do believe given everything that has happened so far we are more likely to lynch scum by going after Deus and Slam. | ||
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[bold]##Vote: DeusXmachina[/bold] His filter is worse than Slam's, He made the same terrible vote, and he's not playing like his standard town play as said by other people. Unless anything massive happens in the next 48 hours the only other person I'd consider voting for right now would be Slam. I'll be going through his filter and trying to make a case on him as well but the case made by JAT is very compelling. | ||
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##Vote: DeusXmachina sometimes I'm just so dumb. | ||
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All of the association cases against him are useless till we know Slam/Deus's alignment. Also from what I quickly read it looks like Deus didn't actually address anything in JAT's case and tried to brush it off and then redirect suspicion at others. I'd be fine with him trying to give his scum reads if he actually tried to clear up his mess and explain his own posts. Also Deus from how I read it, the inconsistency isn't the constantly changing reads town has, the inconsistency is you saying one thing, and then doing another immediately after with no reason behind it. Did you even care who you voted for D1? I can't tell. Also cases don't need to be long and lengthy, having a short case with a ton of incriminating posts doesn't make it weak. How about you actually talk about those posts instead. I'm going to grab some lunch / late breakfast and then get back to the questions directed at me | ||
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On August 20 2013 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: I expect more of you. In this post you only repeat what has been said earlier (by me). The most important question for me is: Why do you think scum Deus or slam voted like that if you think iVLosk is town? Why should they make themselves look bad if they could just stay on the active townie instead of the completely useless one? I'm back, I think one if not both of them scum slipped in the worst way possible. Scum make mistakes and it is our job to find those mistakes and lynch them for it. In my first game scum literally said "this is my first game as mafia" and because I didn't push that lynch hard enough we ended up lynching a townie who tried to defend him. I see the vote on Xzavier by Slam and Deus as pretty much the same thing. "Oops I'm not used to playing as scum and I panicked" LosK's alignment doesn't fucking matter until we know which one of Deus or Slam is scum. If they both are we win the game but if it's only one of them and the other sheeped him or tried to make it look like a sheep vote THEN we can discuss LosK being scum. I've mentioned it before but trying to figure out LosK's alignment from this is pointless right now. On August 19 2013 07:57 OmniEulogy wrote: instead of trying to put together connections that don't exist yet I believe we should ONLY be looking at Slam and Deus for lynch candidates today. | ||
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Deus immediately starts his thoughts on me by again being inconsistent "After that he has a couple posts that target holy, ending in a case against holy, then drops holy. " "It's possible that Omni begins pushing a lynch on Holy, using the voting catastrophe, and drops it when it doesn't seem to be working. " and finally "and a few others. Here is the thing. Holy's defense is strong, and it seems like a town defense. He did bring up good points. " I say Holy doesn't look as bad as Slam and Deus anymore as well. On August 19 2013 07:57 OmniEulogy wrote: I still believe LosK to be town, and tbh my case against Holy is largely centered on his vote on Xzavier which clearly some townie made the mistake of voting for. I'm not ruling out the case of scum Holy but I do believe given everything that has happened so far we are more likely to lynch scum by going after Deus and Slam. Holy has not cleared himself with me but he looks a lot better than Deus or Slam, Why would I continue to push for his lynch when I've said multiple times D2 lynch should be focused around Slam and Deus. moving on I appreciate that Deus at least admits that he believes I do make some strong points and have been actively posting along with those. He also says that I seem genuine to him. Deus your first question doesn't actually apply to anything. Nobody had said anything more other than discussing the vote and I did make some other points on Holy for why I suspected him other than just his vote. I dropped Holy for reasons mentioned above. He was no longer my top scum read. 3) Because either all three of you are fucking useless as town or there was scum on the Xzavier lynch. How can you not see that is the better question. Deus goes on to mention that the only way you should ever use the lynch on Xzavier to scum hunt is if you make a case against Holy for it. Holy shit. (pun not intended) He then claims that I am trying to mislead town when apparently he thinks I'm genuinely scum hunting, making a case against Holy when in his opinion that is the correct thing to do and actively contributing to towns discussions. Fake Paranoia is so annoying. JAT sorry, I hadn't read your response to Deus when I had posted and I realize I did pretty much rehash what you had already said to him. My objective in giving my town reads is to try and strengthen / unify town when there was some very obvious shit that is happening around the Xzavier lynch. I also give my scum reads, and why they changed twice, please don't ignore that. Also stop trying to convince yourself there is a connection between Deus/Slam and LosK before we see any flips. It's hurting you if you assume there is one as it will impact your ability to see them as individual scum. I think I covered your question on why I still think LosK is town JAT. | ||
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On August 20 2013 01:52 justanothertownie wrote: Just post the whole thing HolyFlare. Omni it is important dammit. I don't see any scum motivation behind this voteswitch if iVLosk isn't scum Newbie mistake or not. we're just going to have to disagree. I think it was a really bad mistake from scum, and when we nail scum for making such a mistake, then we can get into association cases. | ||
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On August 20 2013 02:29 justanothertownie wrote: No said question can absolutely be answered. I did not ask for the alignment of said players I asked for the reason for Omni's scumread on Deus and Alakaslam and why he thinks they would voteswitch as scum. extremely bad play. | ||
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On August 20 2013 03:10 justanothertownie wrote: Ok. Omni I would like you to make a summarized post on why you think Deus is scum. Try to stick to why scum Deus would do something instead of just pointing out contradictions please. sure thin, although I'll say now most of his contradictions do point to very scummy behavior. He starts off by saying town should be allowed to lie and we should lynch lurkers, this also means it's ok for scum to lie as he says town will never catch lying scum. Town's mindset is to catch scum lying because they NEED to lie to stay alive, not to ignore it and let anybody say what ever they want. The policy lynch for Lynch All Liars exists for that very reason. In a newbie game you don't need to fake claim your role, in fact by town lying you just add more confusion to the rest of town. Although this was just his policy talk I felt it was a very important start to his game. He goes on to say he wants to put all the policy talk away, and follows it up by saying he's voting for a lurker because they are lurking and haven't posted. I know he's played a few games before, he knows you don't claim to cast a vote for pressure. EVERY vote should have the intention to lynch behind it. As town you want to get lurkers to contribute but you don't say "hey, this is only a pressure vote but you better start contributing or maybe it'll become a real vote!" That is not a town oriented move. It's scum focusing on a "easy" target and being very non-committal about it on top of that. If we still had hardcore lurkers I'd bet he'd still be voting for them doing the exact same thing. he goes on to talk to Holy and asks this question, "Yes he hasn't contributed, but do you want to make a case against him because he hasn't contributed or because he is a hypocrite?". This isn't something town says... "yeah he hasn't contributed and he's going back on what he's saying BUT that's no reason to make a case on him!" actually... that's called scum hunting and it's exactly what town should be doing. Unfortunately this comment stops Holy and Deus effectively stops any potential attempt at town talking about it at all. Which he has done several times now. Again this is not how a townie behaves. You don't try to stop people from talking about the only leads they have to go on, you contribute and try to find something else that other people have missed. Scum try to stifle conversation and tell people that it's scummy to continue trying to scum hunt. He has constantly been trying to work out association cases based on nothing, which although many townies unfortunately were doing, scum loves this and tries to hop in with their own, because it's pointless but it makes them seem like they are contributing. Once people see an association case it becomes very difficult for them to think about it in another way which effectively shuts down their helpfulness. Deus was completely on board with doing just that. his vote has been covered, but again it's scummy and there is no town benefit for him voting for a modkill. It only adds confusion. He goes on to claim that the voting catastrophe is irrelevant to scum hunting which it certainly is not. Town tries to gather information from clusterfucks like that but he claims it's scummy to talk about it and we should just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. Makes sense considering he made the jump to Xzavier from LosK first. Claims myself Holy and ivLosK have some sort of connection..... not really sure how. "There is so much that can be said about these individuals. 1 scum, 2 scum, or no scum? Are they connected? Why the attacks on each other?" Mmmmmmmm WIFOM bombing town is so helpful. After everything he says about thinking I'm scummy, he then claims I'm genuine and have been actively contributing and posting and then calls Slam town. - then says JAT and myself are the scum team. Can not even make up his mind in the same post. literally has 0 direction and claims I'm trying to mislead town. Let's see what he's said... "II. Omni, iV, and Holy There is so much that can be said about these individuals. 1 scum, 2 scum, or no scum? Are they connected?" and "VI. Final thoughts I could see a possible scum team being JAT Omni." one (two) large post which comes down to an association case based on nothing. Baffle them with bullshit guys! they won't see through the smoke. Townies don't do this crap. Scum try to lie and confuse us, they try to stop scum hunting, stop conversation, and try to convince town that everybody else is scum. so yes, I believe Deus is scum and actively trying to mislead town by throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, he himself certainly has not stuck to one story even in the same post. The only thing he's stayed consistent on is that the Xzavier lynch should stop being looked at. - scummy. | ||
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On August 20 2013 03:49 justanothertownie wrote: I feel so alone here... HolyFlare would you do us a favor and post the rest of your information if you have the time? What's with the other people - Lone, any input? Also Deus has gone mia again... it takes awhile to write the post ok?! lol | ||
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On August 20 2013 03:52 Alakaslam wrote: Anything you want from be besides am I scum? I am willing to check stuff out give us an update on your top 3 scum reads, if I'm one of them I want to know why, get into some real details for why your vote is on Deus right now and why you were sheeping him for the entire D1 lynch cycle if you are now voting for him D2. Also your thoughts on why Koshi was killed when he said we should go after you and LosK for the lynch on D2. As it directly impacts you I'd like to know what you actually think about it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 08:34 Koshi wrote: guis guis guis. No worries. Just remember. Need to kill Alaksalam,Holyflare, DeusXmachina or iVLosK. Just kill the one that is the most useless day 2. Alaksalam knows better than to create such a shit environment and to do 0 scumhunting the entire game. And I am certain he knows that voting a 0 poster is horrible. His biggest contribution were giving out general advice. It is a newbie game but I don't like it. You need to get rid of scum. Not of guys that can't defend themselves. Especially when they flip town most likely. This guy is trying to WIFOM me and I don't like it. 5 spamposts in the same minute these are 3 of it. He knows he shouldn't vote for a modkill. He votes for the modkill. And then he says it is majority lynch when it is plurality. So bad it hurts my soul. iV and Alaksalam should be lynched next time unless magic happens on day 2. The other 2 follow closely. + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 10:14 Koshi wrote: I am still wondering why you guys voted iVLosK. Please also redirect me to the scumhunting you guys did. I have trouble finding it. Setup Information: This means there are 2 scums right? It's fair to say that town will have 1 power role and 6 VT and then scum 1 power role and 1 goon. Gameplan for town is simple. We find 4 confirmed townies and we win the game. Confirmed townie status: Koshi Close to confirmed townie status: OmniEulogy Probably town: JAT, Meowie I still agree with what he said during N1 and I know I'm town which means scum DID fuck up. I'm not sure how many people you think are in this game but scum was on Xzavier if my reads are correct. I know you're paranoid about literally everybody as I think the only person you've given town reads to are Slam (lol?) LosK and Meow. which funny enough has two people Koshi was telling us to lynch. I strongly believe the two scum are in your group of 4 as did Koshi and you trying to push everything away from going in that direction isn't very convincing. | ||
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On August 20 2013 04:22 Holyflare wrote: then why would they unvote IvLosK! if you think he is town at the risk of looking scummy? very bad play. as i've said before. | ||
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What. Would town ever actually say NOT getting on the Xzavier wagon is scummy at the end of D1? By this logic Slam is the most town person in the game. LOL I don't think so. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:54 Alakaslam wrote: ... Chezinu. Sees me say  iVLosk repeatedlyLynch Wait dangerous looks bad Buddy up Buddy up to the one who knows the bamcis one, one more townie who won't lynch Deus defense thyself to move my vote is what is say but I'm headed to work. Therefore, deus, if you are town convince the rest unless I somehow get enough data reception to check up near deadline. ##Vote: DeusXmachina You are just all over the place... | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:40 DeusXmachina wrote: That's not reserved play. That's I don't give a fuck play. You are reserved. You have done nothing major that sets you apart from other players. wait what's the difference between JAT and LosK in the "I don't give a fuck" category? | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:53 DeusXmachina wrote: Your cases were terrible contributions. Your case on iV was based on stupid reasons. Your case on me basically repeated what others have said. Your case on slam was the best one. According to you everything has been a terrible contribution. | ||
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"Slam is town" Good work Deus. Correct on both accounts. Fuck Yes Town!!!!!!! Excellent work :D | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:23 LoneMeow wrote: You have no idea how stressed I was about whether my snap read was right or wrong... very nice call Lone ^^ | ||
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On August 21 2013 05:09 Holyflare wrote: I know it's night now, don't say reads yada yada yada but just gonna state the obvious, vote Deus, IvLosK! or Omni tomorrow. Probably losk, he's fucking useless.... I'm failing to see why I should be a lynch candidate D3. Mind explaining? | ||
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On August 21 2013 05:40 Holyflare wrote: The people who weren't on slam, obviously. I'm not saying you're scum or anything just to look into those 3 Yeah I'm fine with that thought process. Sounds good to me. | ||
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this is actually now a theory worth talking about. Slam would be forced into making such a terrible jump to Xzavier if LosK is scum. He's also had a very weird back and forth with LosK for pretty much the whole game where they kind of communicate with each other but never really say anything of ANY importance. | ||
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On August 21 2013 06:26 Holyflare wrote: No, this could be a scum slip. Only scum have a QT, unless he was being coached (which he just said he wasn't). pretty sure he's just implying he's scum again, he likes doing that. | ||
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hold on, hold on, there's a post somewhere very recently that I must find. Found it. On August 21 2013 06:27 justanothertownie wrote: You seem to think he is really dumb. I'm starting to think LosK is a little bit special yeah. ROFL | ||
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In the case of a tie in votes for the lynch, the first player to reach the highest number of votes is still lynched correct? Like let's say Deus had 3, Slam has 1, somebody from Deus switches to Slam so the vote count is tied 2-2, Deus is still lynched right? unless I was mistaken in what you said here Deus. Let me know if I was. "Another scenario. He votes slam, and hopes for a no-lynch." I assume you meant in the case of a tie. | ||
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On August 21 2013 08:06 Holyflare wrote: Ties are no lynch if you're right thanks Holy, that's a change from the last time I played | ||
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On August 21 2013 22:26 justanothertownie wrote: This question? I don't even know what you are trying to say. O' Brother, Where Art Thou. | ||
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I think we've got this in the bag town, LosK or Deus are most likely the last scum. Deus' soft defending of Slam all game and his attempt and convincing us Slam was town as he was being lynched, who could have seen in the last 3~ minutes the votes changing and Slam getting lynched because he would make yet another terrible vote. As has been said before, Why would you bus your power role scum buddy? Slam seemed to be trying to get votes off of Deus as well with his voting on and off him, possibly hoping the two votes that ended up on Lone would be enough. Alternatively we have LosK who I believed to be leaning town this game up to the Slam lynch. His vote on Lone was strange given everything that has happened, Slam and LosK have had conversations with each other that have had absolutely nothing to do with anything and my previous assumption that scum wouldn't play so ballsy may have been off the mark. It seems like he genuinely just doesn't care too much which makes it very possible for him to be our last scum. JAT still town! LoneMeow also very likely town. Holy is now neutral for me. I no longer believe he is scum due to the two other possibilities. | ||
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In essence your case is bad because you forget what happened between those posts Holy. Really, Really bad. | ||
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On August 22 2013 03:09 Holyflare wrote: I also made a better case against slam by the way, you didn't change then either there's a big difference between you making your defense while I was voting on you, then JAT making his case, followed up by my analyzing of Deus's posts and Deus continuing to act like scum, trying to blame everybody else, and then you making .......... oh wait you didn't make a case on slam..... what are you talking about? The case you made on Deus after JAT and I had already covered everything and then your jump onto Slam with no reasoning behind it? Wait hold on... where is this case on Slam or even mention of him that you are talking about... You were on the Deus wagon the entire time up to the lynch and then the only thing you say is On August 21 2013 02:52 Holyflare wrote: sorry ##Unvote ##Vote Alakaslam you were actually literally attacking Deus the post before that while still on his lynch wagon. You made one mention of maybe lynching Slam because Deus was trying to defend himself and that's it. one sentence. Was that your case? | ||
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On August 22 2013 03:09 Holyflare wrote: I also made a better case against slam by the way, you didn't change then either ????????????????????? | ||
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On August 22 2013 03:28 Holyflare wrote: Why would people vote slam and sheep me in the first place? BECAUSE HE FELL APART AFTER I MADE A CASE ON HIM AND THEN STARTED FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE. the guy who voted on Xzavier started to fall apart after your case on him..... and that's why he voted LoneMeow almost 36 hours later and got himself lynched at the end of D2.... am I reading this right? | ||
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Go through my filter, I've pushed my reads, I've contributed when asked, and I've tried to create conversation centered around scum hunting this entire game. Your goggles are pretty thick right now. | ||
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On August 22 2013 04:07 Holyflare wrote: But lone is dead and you are not. literally doesn't address a single thing I just said. Yes I haven't played perfectly this game but not playing perfectly =/= being scum. My actions don't make sense from a scum point of view either, as I said read through my filter, I've been contributing all game long, pushing my reads, and I sure as hell didn't KNOW Slam would flip scum, my #1 read was Deus, #2 Slam. Why do you act like you knew Slam would flip scum while only acting on hindsight? It's stupid. Only Scum would know Slam was going to flip Scum, I don't know if you figured that out yet though. You were literally on the Deus bus pushing hard till Slam's 2nd extremely scummy vote and then bailed asap. Scum would know Slam would eventually get caught and lynched for how he was playing and would be ready to bus him to get town cred. You make it sound like I was trying to keep Slam alive without bussing him on top of all this. Scum wouldn't rely on having both players make it to the end game. You're whole point that Slam doesn't mention me very much applies to a lot of people, that's how he was playing, as I said you literally can't find Lone anywhere in his filter, his conversations with LosK are completely pointless, and he straight up avoids answering my questions directed at him during D2. | ||
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On August 22 2013 04:44 Holyflare wrote: entertain other notions and put out theories that I do not necessarily agree with, I'm not sure you understand what it means to be honest you google that and have to quote it? Let me know where you're actually doing that though. You need another person putting something forward in order to do it, and all I've seen is you get out your shovel and start tunneling. Thanks for thinking my idea was really good and benefits town though. | ||
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When you're case turns into "Why are you defending yourself! Is it because You ARE scum!!!" you know you've made a wrong turn somewhere. | ||
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##Vote: DeusXmachina I'm still going to vote for my scum read, who happened to try to make Slam seem town till the very end, and who Slam jumped off of and then tried to get Lone lynched instead of Deus. | ||
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Anyway JAT who in their right mind would vote on Xzavier D1 in the first place? This is the type of shit that is 1 scum did it, especially in the way Slam did it, there is probably another one on Xzavier. Slam had no reason to last minute jump onto Xzavier if he wasn't following some sort of weird plan imo. | ||
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@JAT in my night post that's the only person I mention, as that is the other possibility. | ||
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On August 22 2013 05:36 Holyflare wrote: His posts before what I said were a lot more useful and did not implicate him as much as after my post. Stop being a tool you haven't even read them. so the case that you made about his posts being useless was wrong and you are saying his posts were now useful? | ||
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Holy you are the weakest link! Goodbye. but seriously I'm gonna make dinner. I'll be back later. | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:11 Holyflare wrote: The only people to have played with him last game were slam and me (and reps.........) and slam was scum so I don't know where the shit you get your information from. where... where where where do I get this idea from... man... oh wait, this is from what Deus said earlier, while referring to people talking about how he's not as aggressive this game. "Quickly, last thing, why the hell are people looking at my meta and saying, "oh he is not as aggressive as last game, that's scummy". We had a discussion on meta during policy chat and came to the conclusion that is not very useful in newb games." I could quote the multiple times people accused him of not being as aggressive but I figure the person himself owning up to the fact that he isn't should work just as well. That's the shit I got it from! | ||
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More on Deus, as I've said before I believe you trying to make Slam seem town while about to be lynched for the last hour, and him trying to keep you from being lynched by jumping off your wagon and trying to find somebody else to vote for is still very much a possibility. The only reason JAT has given me for that not being possible anymore is that it doesn't sound very believable that two scum were on the Xzavier lynch. You (Deus) didn't think even 1 scum was on the lynch and criticized me heavily for pushing it so hard when now obviously there was at least 1 scum on it. The other possibility as JAT mentioned is that Slam jumped onto Xzavier in order to save LosK who still would have been lynched even with you joining Xzavier (as it would have been tied 2-2 with LosK coming down from 3 votes) so if LosK is scum, Slam would have had to move to save him. Also sorry JAT I was going in circles with Holy till he decided to call it quits, which he never really did. Also Deus's meta is still relevant @Holy because he's still one of my scum reads. How dumb do you have to be to think Deus is cleared as town just because Slam flipped scum (And that is all that has happened since the time you were ready to lynch Deus btw) Deus vanished after Slam was lynched after trying to convince us he was town for an hour as well. Not even a "well done town! thank's for keeping me alive for another cycle!" nothing. He has been soft defending Slam for most of D2 and it's quite possible that the scum team just decided to both vote on Xzavier at the end cause honestly who the hell would see that coming. I do think I got a bit too wrapped up on Deus though, as thinking about it logically it would seem that LosK would be the scum buddy by looking at the D1 lynch and through the conversations between Slam and LosK + LosK's behavior in general has not helped town very much at all. D2 however imo points towards both Deus and LosK equally. As I said earlier, I haven't played this game anywhere near perfectly but that =/= playing like scum. I've pushed my reads, contributed to town discussion, tried to get others to contribute and even while Holy was pushing me he's doing things I said town should do to try and hunt scum. I've been playing this entire game for the purpose of catching and lynching scum and I think my obsession over the D1 Lynch and my push to get people to focus on the people involved on it was well placed. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:19 Holyflare wrote: nice try scum slipper <3 holy but accidentally not changing "he's nowhere near a town read" to "he's my strongest scum read" and then not deleting the whole sentence when rewriting it and then adding things to different paragraphs will do that to you. | ||
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JAT was the best town player you had D1. If you think that's weird after the shit storm you idiots caused you need to check your heads. Mind you I believe it's quite likely two of you were scum so... equally dumb move. | ||
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@JAT I'm going through LosK's filter again now. | ||
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posts like these I liked from him On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content. I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game. On August 17 2013 21:19 justanothertownie wrote: I will be here most of the time until the deadline btw. so if anyone wants to discuss something with me go ahead. I will read some filters right now because I think I caught something on the last pages (have to make sure). He gave me the feeling of a townie who wanted to talk to people, try to open the game up and possibly scum hunt although he wasn't going to jump on anybody because of their first few posts. To me this is creating a town atmosphere which is something scum will never try to create. So I came into the game expecting JAT to be town unless he started to do some really strange things, which he never did imo. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:35 DeusXmachina wrote: Omni would you mind commenting on this? What were some of the contributions that caused you to overlook slam and focus on myself and holy? Holy because his vote was unique out of the three of you and I wanted to start with the xZavier lynch and build off it to catch scum, Holy's vote was very noticeable because of how it was placed, and then he went on to claim he was looking for the "safe" place to put his vote. That's a word town doesn't use while placing votes, and can sometimes be a scum slip. I then went after you because before I made Holy's case I had said you were my strongest scum read, with Holy answering me fairly well I let him drop although I was and still am suspicious of him and focused on you, JAT made his case, I followed up and then continued to push for your lynch through D2. Slam was a close 2nd but because he left for half of D2 I continued to pressure you as Slam wouldn't have been able to answer anything I asked him. (And he never did) | ||
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Also yeah yeah Holy fuck you too, when I flip green I'm sure you'll be overjoyed.  The only thing you are doing is fucking town over if I get lynched because then you look just as bad as LosK and Deus heading into LYLO | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:52 DeusXmachina wrote: So are you saying it was by a process of elimination. You thought that Holy and I were better targets so you focused on us. Then why did you say he was one of the most constant contributors (because he wasn't)? contribution in the sense of activity out of the three of you, the more scum talks the more likely they are to screw up, and he talked a lot. I still said he was scummy and should be looked at as the other option besides you for the D2 lynch for... the entire day. | ||
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On August 22 2013 08:00 Holyflare wrote: also great to bring up an entire case on losk and hope NOBODY WOULD VOTE ON HIM BECAUSE OF IT, logic much unlike you I'm still trying to scum hunt, also apparently you could still put in your 2 cents on losk but couldn't change your vote from xZavier. Smooth move there. | ||
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I've said it before but if you listen to this moron and lynch me, You better be sure as fuck who you're going to lynch the next day because otherwise you lose. | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 22 2013 08:02 OmniEulogy wrote: [QUOTE]On August 22 2013 08:00 Holyflare wrote: also great to bring up an entire case on losk and hope NOBODY WOULD VOTE ON HIM BECAUSE OF IT, logic much[/QUOTE] why scum hunt when i've found the scum[/QUOTE] You've been really really bad at this part the WHOLE game. lol | ||
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On August 22 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote: slam deus and losk and now yours with little conviction because like I said earlier I didn't believe it myself but now I do. I'm just going to keep repeating this, but I know you won't get it. I'm going to flip town. I haven't lied once this game, I'm not going to lie now. If you lynch me that's fine, as long as the rest of you understand what you are going to do and lynch the remaining scum. | ||
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Take credit for what they did as well, how nice. I've already explained why I stayed on Deus as well, it's not a scummy move. | ||
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On August 22 2013 08:47 Holyflare wrote: If I didn't switch nobody would have either. LOL after his vote on Lone I was going to switch, but then you and JAT / Lone switched to him so I didn't need to. GJ for doing the obvious I'm really proud of you, but acting like you did it is hilarious. | ||
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And then immediately you try to claim all the credit and get really overly into the fact that you did it all, that is really suspicious, especially with you now trying to lynch me and using 0 points from my filter and even agreeing with most of my reads + things I've said earlier. After I flip town you are going to look so fucking bad and if you are town you've pretty much screwed us all. TWICE. I should add. so yeah... gz on switching to Slam, that was a really uh... "easy" move you made. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:57 Holyflare wrote: jesus christ this is the biggest clusterfuck of shit i've seen before a day end This is him trying to convince you to vote Slam everybody. Very convincing. rofl what a joker. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:01 Holyflare wrote: want some stuff from your filter? hey look, 2.59 to secure the lynch, you sure as shit left it late to agree with us on lynching him oh wait you had to wait till 3.00, the actual deadline before you even mentioned slam and stayed on deus, ahahaha I hope people see this is the biggest slip since ever i just said I came back hit refresh and posted immediately, you are such a joke. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:07 Holyflare wrote: just like it's pretty convenient for your refresh right? you're damn straight you scummer. you got me. lol | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:10 Holyflare wrote: I wouldn't know I've never been scum, just expert scum hunter holyflare yeah this was my first game as scum lol although I think I've been an angrier townie than I was this game as scum but w/e xD | ||
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sorry decided to cave, those time stamps fucked me, I thought Slam's vote was like 5 minutes before the end of the day and didn't go back to check on it. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:15 DeusXmachina wrote: No I am the there you go. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:18 OmniEulogy wrote: Also brought to my attention, if I was supposed to wait till I got confirmation from Cora, oops. thinking back on it... probably should have. Everybody just ignore the last two pages till Cora makes an end-game post. SORRY CORA <3 | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:23 Holyflare wrote: that aint right cz im the doctor??? You might be british but you aren't The doctor. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:26 DeusXmachina wrote: Well I would let you kill Holy just to spite him. LOL | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:29 Holyflare wrote: as in mislynched someone else I think it would largely depend on my case on LosK and if I could convince JAT that I was still actively trying to scumhunt and put it together. then I probably would have NK'd Deus and aimed for JAT me and you Holy for the final 3. If Deus gets lynched aim for me JAT and LosK as the final three. lol but I would have had to come up with some pretty creative stuff to lynch Deus. haha | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:36 Holyflare wrote: oh I said I solved the game so that I would be a night kill target on purpose but I guess he didn't read it/thought lone would be a better target x_x yeah I decided not to kill you because of that xD | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:41 Holyflare wrote: BAD MOVE BRO YOU LEFT SCUM HUNTER EXTRAORDINAIRE IN THE GAME clearly I knew not what I did. | ||
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