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justanothertownie
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On August 18 2013 03:37 DeusXmachina wrote: Sadly it's shit like this that makes me think he is town. Being a dick is probably not want you want to do as scum. I wouldn't bet to much on this. | ||
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Nice to see at least the replacements start active. Thank god. On August 18 2013 08:00 DeusXmachina wrote: I voted on xzavier because it was basically the same thing as voting no-lynch. Call me crazy but I am not going to vote on 2 people that I am not 100 percent sold on being scum. It was stated earlier but you will never ever be 100% sure about a player being scum Day1. What kind of reasoning is this? This switch to xzavier was horrible (and illegal to in my opinion but the hosts decide so that's not relevant). On August 18 2013 07:54 Holyflare wrote: I also find it funny that you jump on everyone voting Xzavier when everyones alternative was squibbles who also would get modkilled, totally legit reasoning... not The alternative wasn't Squibbles it was iVLosk!. You know, the guy you made a big post on before. | ||
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On August 18 2013 10:14 Koshi wrote: I am still wondering why you guys voted iVLosK. Please also redirect me to the scumhunting you guys did. I have trouble finding it. Setup Information: This means there are 2 scums right? It's fair to say that town will have 1 power role and 6 VT and then scum 1 power role and 1 goon. Gameplan for town is simple. We find 4 confirmed townies and we win the game. Confirmed townie status: Koshi Close to confirmed townie status: OmniEulogy Probably town: JAT, Meowie While I don't disagree much with your reads in general we should look for scum and not for town because we can only be sure of a players alignment by lynching him. Also neither you nor Omni is confirmed town by any means. I'm leaning town on you for the content of your posting but noone is confirmed town besides xzavier who is dead. | ||
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On August 18 2013 10:18 Koshi wrote: (joke is on them. I rolled veteran) The fuck?! Well I guess I really can't take anything serious right now. Will go to bed soon. | ||
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I am not so sure about IVLosk being town - I don't think his careless posting is enough to give him a town read especially because he is a veteran mafia player. You raise some interesting points about HolyFlare. I will read him again (he was null to me before your case). | ||
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At the moment I think scum is between Alakaslam, Deus, iVLosk and possibly Holyflare (still investigating here). | ||
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On August 18 2013 08:33 Holyflare wrote: Besides what I have just written, the fact that I couldn't change my vote because I was out has given me more information for this game than just voting anyone else could have. I would really like to hear what it is you found out. I am not conviced HolyFlare is scum. If he really wasn't available before the lynch it is not that surprising he voted Xzavier because he couldn't have known we would wagon iVLosk. It's not a good decision but I can imagine town HolyFlare doing it. He is the one I am the least suspicious of between the xzaviervoters. Also he is right about him being the one who really started discussion (apart from policies) Day1. I am far more worried about the lynch bs that happened. Alakaslam and Deus changed the outcome in a very shady way. This only really makes sense if iVLosk isn't town though (or is there something I don't see?). I can't imagine Deus and Slam both being scum and thinking they would get towncred for that so they are probably not both scum. At the moment my gut says it's iVLosk and either Deus or slam who is scum. | ||
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On August 19 2013 05:08 Alakaslam wrote: Sigh... That vote was really stupid. Deus man, why didn't you answer me. I should have stayed on iVLosk or something. Man I don't know what to make of the game yet, I have those gut reads but I want to back them up. I can't this calendar day but I will be back during this day phase (tomorrow). Stuff hast come up. Man the consternation, watch me go from being a scumread to 100% scum just because I'm gone. That is exactly what happened to vlosk and probably why I felt bad about it- and that may actually go for deus. What, must I be the town voice of caution or are we to go nuts lynching our own. Last couple games scum wins go figure. But yeah srsly vlosk defend even just a little while I'm gone plz. So do you think iVLosk is town or not? I don't understand you. | ||
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He looked very motivated pre game and you describe him as an agressive, active townie in the last newbie game. I don't see that at all in this game. He started with some policy posts without saying anything. That's ok in itself but after that his activity really dropped down. He wasn't agressive instead he asked generic questions like this: On August 16 2013 05:23 DeusXmachina wrote: Analyzing peoples previous games to determine their role this game, good or bad in newbie? After I mentioned that policy talk doesn't add that much he quickly backed off. Feels really defensive (although this post isn't that bad apart from that). On August 17 2013 03:06 DeusXmachina wrote: Yeah scum could talk policy all day. Lets put all this lying, lurking, and what-have-you talk aside for now. I am going to vote reps or xzavier if they don't start posting. I want to push for a lynch day 1, and as of right now they are the best candidates. If reps/xzavier are tied for first then a close second would be, well.... everyone else. Although, I can't help be suspicious of holy. Last game he was pretty try-hard and this game he seems pretty detached. I won't press it for now though because he said he was busy. Anyway, I think our goal should be pressuring xzavier and reps to get them to participate. Lurkers won't be tolerated! His scumhunting pretty much only revolved around lynching lurkers. Easy thing to do as scum. On August 17 2013 09:07 DeusXmachina wrote: Lets entertain a scenario. Reps or Xzavier are completely aware that the game has started and are intentionally not posting. They don't feel any real pressure so they aim to do several things: A) Contribute nothing to increase the chances of a no-lynch day 1 B) Contribute nothing to avoid mistakes or posts that could get them unwanted attention. or the less likely C) Play a lurker roll so their scum buddy can bus them. How easy would it be to drop in and say, "oh sorry guys I couldn't post because.... blah.. blah.. blah...". Some of you are already assuming that they are just afk. Why are we tolerating lurkers? What seems weird to me is his stance on iVLosk. First he defends him. On August 17 2013 07:45 DeusXmachina wrote: I don't think his hypocrisy is a reason to be suspicious. He probably just wanted to come in with flare, hence his aggressive first post (not counting rap). Holy would you rather focus on iV or reps/xzavier? Pressuring xzavier or reps might get them to start talking. Then he is suspicious of him: On August 17 2013 09:38 DeusXmachina wrote: I am growing suspicious of iV. The way he handled holy's pressure seems scummy. He seemed more interested in discrediting Holy than actually contributing. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 09:09 iVLosK! wrote: "I noticed it" =/= "this is scummy". It's sorta more like what you're doing. Putting together a case on me without actually voting me. Read D1 of my first game on this site. I don't like that shit and happily lynch people who do it. This is a good example. Attacks holy and contributes nothing to town. On August 17 2013 10:01 DeusXmachina wrote: Seems more egotistical than sarcastic. Shortly after that Losk is town suddenly: On August 17 2013 13:55 DeusXmachina wrote: Last thing before I go to bed. I thought I would post my thoughts on day 1 so far. I peg iV for town because he seems aggressive, and antagonistic at times, and to me these are definitely town traits. But why don't vote for our townread, right? On August 18 2013 02:48 DeusXmachina wrote: ##Vote: iVLosK! Then there is this: On August 18 2013 03:00 DeusXmachina wrote: Yeah don't vote modkill I get it Followed by: On August 18 2013 03:03 DeusXmachina wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Xzavier Finally he claims not to have known this is plurality lynch which has been stated several times in the thread. He either doesn't read the thread or this is a bad excuse for his weird voting. On August 18 2013 08:08 DeusXmachina wrote: On August 18 2013 08:07 Holyflare wrote: I am confused why Xzavier WAS voted off though when the 2 votes were placed after the deadline........ We didn't even have enough votes against him. It wasn't a vote off. He was modkilled. They just said he got lynched in the end of day post. I really would like to hear his reasoning for all of this. Also he should be way more active Day2 if he is town because right now I am really worried about him. | ||
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On August 19 2013 07:34 LoneMeow wrote: But why would Alakaslam sheep such a horrible vote? I could accept Deus' explanation that he thought it was majority lynch, but I can't think of any reason for Alakaslam's vote besides the one I proposed above. Yep. That's what I don't really see either. | ||
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After that he 180s on his read without any reason (because iVLosk didn't contribute anything after this point in time) and tries to destroy the wagon with all his force. He also tried everything to get Deus off the wagon and immediately sheeped him after he voted Xzavier. I really hope slam, Deus and iVLosk contribute more Day2. The only thing I am pretty sure off is that Deus and slam are not both scum. This would be really weird play. | ||
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For now that's enough speculation for me. I will be back tomorrow. | ||
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So here is my answer to you but first: I thought about the whole thing since yesterday and I will admit that the lynch conclusions alone are not enough to forge a solid read on someone. I got caught up in this because your voting was really stupid even if it wasn't scum motivated. If you read what I said you know that I already mentioned it doesn't make so much sense for scum to voteswitch like that if iVLosk is town. And iVlosk is right that this is kind of an association case and that they are bad. Still I don't really like how you responded to my case on you and I will tell you why. Yeah, I quoted a shitton if you want so say it like that but I always explained what's scummy about it if it doesn't speak for itself like your voting pattern. You don't even adress one point of my case directly instead you are saying I am scum for pushing you? Wow, now I am impressed. Thats's the scummy way to "defend" against a case. You are absolutely right - a townie should change his reads if there is new information but did you really do that? What happened between your vote on iVlosk and your vote on Xzavier that changed your mind and if there is nothing why did you vote for iVLosk in the first place? If you can explain your thought process through yesterday to me instead of just claiming there is no way scum would do that I would consider changing my read on you. Also please explain to me why you didn't know it was plurality lynch when it was mentioned several times before the lynch (did you read the thread at all?). So far I see your case on me is that I am agreeing with people on things + OMGUS. Yeah, great case. Other than that: I am suspicious of Omni myself. He is obviously right about me but if I understand him correctly he obsed before he replaced so it is easy to know who looks townie to people and who doesn't and scum likes to give townreads. It is easy for them to give strong reads because they know who is town and who isn't. But what really gets me thinking about him is his reasoning. He doesn't even really consider iVLosk to be scum and still insists on you or slam being scum and I don't follow that. There still is only one alive player who I really have a considerable townread on and it's not him. I would really like you to keep being active Day2 and to keep posting reads. If this means you have to push me - do it. The same goes for iVLosk who didn't contribute anything for a long time now. I don't want to call him scum for not defending himself before the lynch anymore because it was very shortly before the deadline that he got voted but still several people were suspicious of him and there was always the possibility of him getting lynched earlier. I don't know what to think of him. It really sucks that slam is afk for half of the dayphase btw. | ||
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