TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir - Page 271

On October 01 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't like FT lynch. I don't like Mocsta lynch either.

What i do like is:
##Unvote:
##Vote: iamperfection
He is not looking like his townie self, at all, in this game. Despite being replaced he has caught up as can be seen from his first reads post. After that post he has been really absent, asking people's read on him and shit. Then there is his horrible analysis fron D2 votes. That's completely wrong and iamp is not that wrong as town. He is scum.

On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said.
Your point against his acuracy/inaccuracy in reads is non alignment indicative. Both town/scum can have accurate/inaccurate reads. His cases are always like that, especially as town. FirmTofu is far more confindent as scum than he is as town.

Your points (2) and (4) are good Mocsta. That's something he needs to explain. Other than that, i don't think he is scum (having played with him a lot as him being scum/town).

On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said.

On October 01 2013 22:52 Mocsta wrote:

And why is (1) not an issue?

The inaccuracy is not an issue in isolation; but that was not the crux of what I stated.
My issue arose from his accuracy of reads on TOWN people that did suspicion actions and the lack of justification on those reads. Nobody except FT thought Geript was town early game.

Fact is, if you thought point (4) was solid, then the inaccuracy point holds, because how can he have a town read on Geript and miss such an important part of the DP/Geript conversation.

And do you think it is acceptable for a firmtofu to base all his scumreads on "apathy'"?
Do you think FT case he made on you (rayn) is acceptable? It was also based on apathy?

On September 26 2013 13:48 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm pretty disappointed that I couldn't make the deadline today. You guys went full retard. Never go full retard.

I just skimmed the thread on my phone so I'm gonna do a full read through and do some analysis.

Mocsta is town btw. Scum would never do what he just did.

On September 27 2013 13:04 FirmTofu wrote:
@VE
If you truly believe Mocsta is scum, what exactly do you think his motivation for going full retard near lynch time was?
Why does scum Mocsta do all that shit?

On September 30 2013 16:22 FirmTofu wrote:
This thread is such a mess. I'm glad Cephiro flipped scum. It provides the Mocsta motivation for vote switching last minute as scum.

##vote: Mocsta

Next post will have thoughts incoming.

On September 23 2013 19:47 FirmTofu wrote:

I'm null on rayn. There are some things he's done that I liked, but there is also a great absence of things that he could have done that he hasn't done.

For rayn, he is posting in unnaturally low quantities. When that happens, rayn usually flips scum. However, in this game, rayn has been actively pursuing reads like he usually does as town. I remember a few exchanges he's had with a few people that made me think he was standard town rayn. Of course, he could be deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that. I'm still hazy on his alignment.

On September 26 2013 17:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Scum:
Raynpelikoneet: Rayn has been hopelessly complacent and apathetic this game. Town rayn is NEVER like this. Just look at these posts...

Since when does rayn ask others whether or not he should do something?

He claims apathy. What kind of townie claims to be apathetic?

There are a lot more, but I don't have the patience to quote and post everything at this time of night. I'll get to it in the morning.

On October 01 2013 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote:

HOW ABOUT INSTEAD YOU COMMENT ON THE POST I JUST MADE REGARDING IAMPERFECTION?!?!?!?

YOU'RE ALL FUCKING SHITTY THAT I'M NOT HELPING TOWN, WELL HERE I AM MOTHERFUCKER! HOW ABOUT YOU EXPLAIN WHY I'M WRONG OR AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY RATHER THAN JUST POST "..." IN RESPONSE?!?

ACTUALLYU FUCK THIS. MODKILL ME TOO! MZ, I'M PMING EVERYONE IN THE GAME THAT I'M TOWN

On October 01 2013 06:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Alright. Thug Life is finally getting down to normal levels. Time to say useful things.

I don't normally touch the VE-marv-BH trio with a 20 foot pole. This is why I don't talk about them and this is why I don't want to talk about them. They intimidate me.

Mocsta's been irkin' my jerkin' for a while this game, but after re-reading the last nine pages of his filter I can see him going full yolo and trying to get LM out. He also makes up for it by shifting his contributions into overdrive later in the thread, and I don't see why a scum who just lost town a full cycle of time would put himself in the limelight and willingly engage in conversation with anyone who's here.

Geript's death also contributes to it as he tried to save ceph as a townie. So precedent.



Essentially sums it up. So here is what I have in short:

Risen pushes Mocsta and geript, with the prior being mostly for the voteswitch and the latter being defensive since geript started attacking Risen. He's done nothing else of value to the thread lately.

Pandain has gotten better. His level of contibution has gone up and he's stopped going after the lurkers.

Stutters695 The awesome post was horrible.

After I come home from swim practice I will elaborate on my two reads as well as others.

My scumteam right now is Risen, Stutters, Cheesecake, iamperfection, +1

On October 01 2013 15:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Wow I just spent an hour with my spreadsheet staring at the data. All I learned is that colors are pretty and that they make me sleepy. Not doing the actual research because I'm going to bed but some angles that arise from what I'm seeing.

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People who aren't really utilizing their vote powers [aka voting the minimum, not using their "powers"]:
- Stutters (3 votes over 3 days)
- S&B (3 votes over 3 days but did not vote on day 3)
- iamperfection (2 votes over 3 days, day 1 had no vote before replacing in)

If any of the above demonstrate a lot of uncertainty about where their vote is placed, that might be cause for concern. Uncertainty but not moving their vote and shit reasons for staying = dig deeper.

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People with better-than-good voting records [arguably could be too perfect]:
- Risen votes: 1: vayne cephiro | 2: firmtofu | 3: Cephiro
- JAT: 1: firmtofu mattchew | 2: cephiro | 3: cephiro
Paying a ton of attention or working with inside knowledge. Did they campaign for their lynches of choice or did they simply vote? Was their reasoning sound? "Too perfect" is how I used VCA to catch out geript after I had died in LXI. It's not out of the question. Firm flipping red will make these even more "perfect".

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Willy-nilly voters [More than half of their votes on confirmed town]:
- FirmTofu
- Mr. Cheesecake
- Mocsta
- Pandain
Careless of image, or carefully crafting one?

+ Show Spoiler [objective voting rated ascending] +

On October 01 2013 23:07 Mocsta wrote:
Coagulation (0): - risen,
Mr. CC (1): - risen, Risen
Mocsta (3): - FirmTofu, [UoN]Sentinel, VE, Risen, Coagulation, Mr. CC,
VE (1): - Mocsta, Raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne, StrongandBig, JAT,
Risen (1): - StrongandBig, StrongandBig
Iamperfection (1): - VE, Rayn
Stutters695 (1): - Pandain, ObviousOne, Mr. CC
ObviousOne (0): - Risen
FirmTofu (4): - Kitamin, Mocsta, ObviousOne, Koshi
Deconduo (1): - FirmTofu

I assume VE vote does not count on iamperfection.

On October 01 2013 23:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The only saving grace for Mocsta being town is that he's so damn active.

On October 01 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote:
I would prefer if you had said the content was good.

& Why is your vote on me again? If Stutters is 100%, shouldnt you be tallying his vote count to (2)??