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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Tofu nitpicking deconduo is the exact type of crap I'm talking about. Looking for poor play, there is no suggestion to why it is optimal scum play. Just a blanket statement that it is optimal... Well if it's so optimal you wouldn't have picked up on it with no expanded reasoning. Am always awaiting that risen read lol | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
##unvote ##vote FirmTofu | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
What i do like is: ##Unvote: ##Vote: iamperfection He is not looking like his townie self, at all, in this game. Despite being replaced he has caught up as can be seen from his first reads post. After that post he has been really absent, asking people's read on him and shit. Then there is his horrible analysis fron D2 votes. That's completely wrong and iamp is not that wrong as town. He is scum. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like FT lynch. I don't like Mocsta lynch either. What i do like is: ##Unvote: ##Vote: iamperfection He is not looking like his townie self, at all, in this game. Despite being replaced he has caught up as can be seen from his first reads post. After that post he has been really absent, asking people's read on him and shit. Then there is his horrible analysis fron D2 votes. That's completely wrong and iamp is not that wrong as town. He is scum. OK, I don't have a problem with iamp But I want to know why FT isn't a good lynch. Especially given then points I made. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Your point against his acuracy/inaccuracy in reads is non alignment indicative. Both town/scum can have accurate/inaccurate reads. His cases are always like that, especially as town. FirmTofu is far more confindent as scum than he is as town. Your points (2) and (4) are good Mocsta. That's something he needs to explain. Other than that, i don't think he is scum (having played with him a lot as him being scum/town). | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said. Your point against his acuracy/inaccuracy in reads is non alignment indicative. Both town/scum can have accurate/inaccurate reads. His cases are always like that, especially as town. FirmTofu is far more confindent as scum than he is as town. Your points (2) and (4) are good Mocsta. That's something he needs to explain. Other than that, i don't think he is scum (having played with him a lot as him being scum/town). And why is (1) not an issue? The inaccuracy is not an issue in isolation; but that was not the crux of what I stated. My issue arose from his accuracy of reads on TOWN people that did suspicion actions and the lack of justification on those reads. Nobody except FT thought Geript was town early game. Fact is, if you thought point (4) was solid, then the inaccuracy point holds, because how can he have a town read on Geript and miss such an important part of the DP/Geript conversation. And do you think it is acceptable for a firmtofu to base all his scumreads on "apathy'"? Do you think FT case he made on you (rayn) is acceptable? It was also based on apathy? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said. By the way, I disagree to that. But it is up to Kita to pursue further. I still dont think the case was generic. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:52 Mocsta wrote: And why is (1) not an issue? The inaccuracy is not an issue in isolation; but that was not the crux of what I stated. My issue arose from his accuracy of reads on TOWN people that did suspicion actions and the lack of justification on those reads. Nobody except FT thought Geript was town early game. Fact is, if you thought point (4) was solid, then the inaccuracy point holds, because how can he have a town read on Geript and miss such an important part of the DP/Geript conversation. And do you think it is acceptable for a firmtofu to base all his scumreads on "apathy'"? Do you think FT case he made on you (rayn) is acceptable? It was also based on apathy? Your (1) is wrong. FT gave a reason for voting for you. It was "Cephiro flipping scum gives scum!Mocsta a motivation to do retarded things at the deadline". This is something that's not even far-fetched imo. I don't just think he is right. I thought geript was town early on, for example. Yes, i already said your points (2) and (4) were valid, that does not mean every one of his reads is bullshit because of their accuracy/inaccuracy. About the "apathy" cases; It's not acceptable, it's bad play or scum play. Considering we are talking about FT here, i would say bad play, because that is what he does as town and not so much as scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
This is FT reaction immediately after my fake-claim. On September 26 2013 13:48 FirmTofu wrote: I'm pretty disappointed that I couldn't make the deadline today. You guys went full retard. Never go full retard. I just skimmed the thread on my phone so I'm gonna do a full read through and do some analysis. Mocsta is town btw. Scum would never do what he just did. Which is then reenforced to VE. On September 27 2013 13:04 FirmTofu wrote: He has a *Clear* town read on me.@VE If you truly believe Mocsta is scum, what exactly do you think his motivation for going full retard near lynch time was? Why does scum Mocsta do all that shit? Then we get this post out of the blue once VE modkills (the mislynch of the day) On September 30 2013 16:22 FirmTofu wrote: This thread is such a mess. I'm glad Cephiro flipped scum. It provides the Mocsta motivation for vote switching last minute as scum. ##vote: Mocsta Next post will have thoughts incoming. It is clear there is o consistency - similar to his DP early game read. and INB4: Him saying he was trying to setup a trap is not acceptable Rayn in this circumstance. FirmTofu has been caught with his pants down. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
This is FTs original read on you. On September 23 2013 19:47 FirmTofu wrote: Look how wishy-washy this is. He even goes out of his way to say you are playing the standard town rayn; and then tries to shit over that with a completely unjustified "deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that". How bullshit is that? Hes making unfounded insinuations. and letting you connect the pieces together; which is scum motive 101.I'm null on rayn. There are some things he's done that I liked, but there is also a great absence of things that he could have done that he hasn't done. For rayn, he is posting in unnaturally low quantities. When that happens, rayn usually flips scum. However, in this game, rayn has been actively pursuing reads like he usually does as town. I remember a few exchanges he's had with a few people that made me think he was standard town rayn. Of course, he could be deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that. I'm still hazy on his alignment. This is his case that you are reading as "genuinely believes i am scum" On September 26 2013 17:18 FirmTofu wrote: Hes nitpicking poor/bad play; but no where in his case does he claim why it is scum motivated.Scum: Raynpelikoneet: Rayn has been hopelessly complacent and apathetic this game. Town rayn is NEVER like this. Just look at these posts... Since when does rayn ask others whether or not he should do something? He claims apathy. What kind of townie claims to be apathetic? There are a lot more, but I don't have the patience to quote and post everything at this time of night. I'll get to it in the morning. All he does is insinuate that townies will not claim to be apathetic? REALLY? I KNOW AND HAVE PLAYED WITH PLENTY.. INCLUDING BUTT-TONS THIS GAME | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Anyway, I'm just going to coast. | ||
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justanothertownie
16316 Posts
On October 01 2013 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: HOW ABOUT INSTEAD YOU COMMENT ON THE POST I JUST MADE REGARDING IAMPERFECTION?!?!?!? YOU'RE ALL FUCKING SHITTY THAT I'M NOT HELPING TOWN, WELL HERE I AM MOTHERFUCKER! HOW ABOUT YOU EXPLAIN WHY I'M WRONG OR AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY RATHER THAN JUST POST "..." IN RESPONSE?!? ACTUALLYU FUCK THIS. MODKILL ME TOO! MZ, I'M PMING EVERYONE IN THE GAME THAT I'M TOWN The townies modkilling themselves are really starting to piss me off. I kind of understand it for geript because it seems he just is like that but VE? Really? A few people voting you for perfectly fine reasons and you just flip out like that? You even started to contribute which was the only reason some people (like me) to vote you and in a good way if I may say so. My vote would have instantly gone off you after the iamp case if I had not been sleeping. Why do you have to suicide after that. I don't get it. On October 01 2013 06:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Alright. Thug Life is finally getting down to normal levels. Time to say useful things. I don't normally touch the VE-marv-BH trio with a 20 foot pole. This is why I don't talk about them and this is why I don't want to talk about them. They intimidate me. Mocsta's been irkin' my jerkin' for a while this game, but after re-reading the last nine pages of his filter I can see him going full yolo and trying to get LM out. He also makes up for it by shifting his contributions into overdrive later in the thread, and I don't see why a scum who just lost town a full cycle of time would put himself in the limelight and willingly engage in conversation with anyone who's here. Geript's death also contributes to it as he tried to save ceph as a townie. So precedent. Essentially sums it up. So here is what I have in short: Risen pushes Mocsta and geript, with the prior being mostly for the voteswitch and the latter being defensive since geript started attacking Risen. He's done nothing else of value to the thread lately. Pandain has gotten better. His level of contibution has gone up and he's stopped going after the lurkers. Stutters695 The awesome post was horrible. After I come home from swim practice I will elaborate on my two reads as well as others. My scumteam right now is Risen, Stutters, Cheesecake, iamperfection, +1 How is Mocsta being active after that shit a towntell? If he wasn't he would be instalynched. Bad point. On October 01 2013 15:31 ObviousOne wrote: Wow I just spent an hour with my spreadsheet staring at the data. All I learned is that colors are pretty and that they make me sleepy. Not doing the actual research because I'm going to bed but some angles that arise from what I'm seeing. People who aren't really utilizing their vote powers [aka voting the minimum, not using their "powers"]: - Stutters (3 votes over 3 days) - S&B (3 votes over 3 days but did not vote on day 3) - iamperfection (2 votes over 3 days, day 1 had no vote before replacing in) If any of the above demonstrate a lot of uncertainty about where their vote is placed, that might be cause for concern. Uncertainty but not moving their vote and shit reasons for staying = dig deeper. People with better-than-good voting records [arguably could be too perfect]: - Risen votes: 1: vayne cephiro | 2: firmtofu | 3: Cephiro - JAT: 1: firmtofu mattchew | 2: cephiro | 3: cephiro Paying a ton of attention or working with inside knowledge. Did they campaign for their lynches of choice or did they simply vote? Was their reasoning sound? "Too perfect" is how I used VCA to catch out geript after I had died in LXI. It's not out of the question. Firm flipping red will make these even more "perfect". Willy-nilly voters [More than half of their votes on confirmed town]: - FirmTofu - Mr. Cheesecake - Mocsta - Pandain Careless of image, or carefully crafting one? + Show Spoiler [objective voting rated ascending] + 10: FirmTofu -1.00 13: Mr. Cheesecake -0.57 30: Mocsta -0.57 11: Pandain -0.56 16: Stutters695 -0.33 06: kushm4sta Kitaman27 -0.25 08: ObviousOne -0.20 19: [UoN]Sentinel -0.14 02: raynpelikoneet -0.10 01: DarthPunk strongandbig 0.00 07: Koshi 0.00 14: Xzavier Decondou 0.00 15: Coagulation 0.00 17: Onegu iamperfection 0.00 23: Risen 0.25 29: justanothertownie 0.25 Please do some more than just listing things everyone can look up for themselves. I like it but your reads are the important part. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Stutters is 100% mafia, would lynch. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Essentially, there is zero certainty where the lynch is going to end up when I wake up. On October 01 2013 23:07 Mocsta wrote: Right now, JAT vote is useless on VE, and along with Sentinel/Coag; it is unclear where they will place their vote.Coagulation (0): - Mr. CC (1): - Mocsta (3): - VE (1): - Risen (1): - Iamperfection (1): - VE, Rayn Stutters695 (1): - Pandain, ObviousOne (0): - FirmTofu (4): - Kitamin, Mocsta, ObviousOne, Koshi Deconduo (1): - FirmTofu I assume VE vote does not count on iamperfection. We need to consolidate. There are 5 scum, and the biggest vote lead is 4 votes. This is a major problem. | ||
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justanothertownie
16316 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Risen is without a doubt the dumbest person in the thread. If Risen is town, he seriously needs to rethink his play. Lynch stutters and get free scum gogo | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I would prefer if you had said the content was good.The only saving grace for Mocsta being town is that he's so damn active. & Why is your vote on me again? If Stutters is 100%, shouldnt you be tallying his vote count to (2)?? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote: I would prefer if you had said the content was good. & Why is your vote on me again? If Stutters is 100%, shouldnt you be tallying his vote count to (2)?? It's on stutters. | ||
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