GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars

One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.

On August 08 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because we canthen talk about your interaction with them, which will lead to:
1) Other opinions of if you all are town or not.
2) If we come to conclusion you are most likely all town, we have by process of elimination eliminated 4 suspects -> much higher chance of scum being elsewhere.

Now you saying "they´re all town" leads us nowhere. Not in finding mafia and not in proving anyone´s innocence.

On August 09 2013 00:10 iamperfection wrote:

he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter"

On August 08 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hail to the King Lord! I am back!

One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.

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Then there is our house. To protect the identities of our housemates let´s call them FT, NM8 and RI. I PM'd everyone at the start of the game saying i am running for the house lord. I also asked people some questions, mainly about if they thought we should reveal our house members or not.

FT answered me first telling he was gonna run for the lord too, saying he would be willing to vote for me though if consolidation was needed, and answering my question. He wanted to know what thread thought about the "revealing housemates" question before giving an answer. Bullshit answer. That´s really bad, he does not have an opinion on his own. Note that the motive behind the question was the following; It was possible that mafia did not have their shit together at that point of the game. If town benefits (which we will, the real question is how much) from the reveal, mafia needs to deal with this shit somehow. Having an opinion (whatever that is) should not be a problem if you are town. Seems fishy.

FT then puts up his own campaign and apparently sent that to everyone. I asked people what they did think about his campaign. This is when RI answers me. He tells me he´s not gonna run for the house lord title because he had a long break and is not comfortable leading. FT´s campaign seems fishy to him because FT feels noncommittal in his campaign. I notived the same thing, although i felt more like FT was trying to sound confident (something he totally lacked in his other PM´s with me) but he really wasn´t confident. He was leaving himself multiple outs like thet he is gonna use our house´s vote on whoever the majority of our house decides on. That´s bullshit. RI says he´s okay with voting me.

NM8 also answers me. Says he´s played on another forum for some years. He is okay with voting for me, and he actually gives reasons why he want´s to elect me. Transparency, activity, when transparent harder to fake if mafia etc. Sounds pretty townish thinking to me.

I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.

FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness.
RI seems okay.
NM8 town.

I would like to hear what you guys talked with each other. I am under the assumption that everyone in our house has been in contact with other people?

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I do not know what to make of the Dandel/Koshi/Solstice/Chromatically stuff that´s been going on in thread. Other than that this is most likely town!Dandel. Koshi you said Dandel lied. Care to point out how (if you didn´t already when i am writing this post)?

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The thing that most sticks out to me so far is this:

Onegu:

This is what Onegu had to say at the start of the game:

Onegu clearly thinks it not beneficial to tell the thread who is in what house.

When yamato exposes their house´s member he follows up with this:

That is a contradiction. Outing your house members is first anti-town, but when yamato does it he gets a townread because of that.

Onegu, explain, because the explanation you gave is really bad.

On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity?

On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said?
What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what?

On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:


If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway)
If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well"

Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously.

On August 09 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment?

On August 09 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SnB, Clarity and REDACTED:

Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town?
You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that?

I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.

FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness.

On August 09 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I read all of this and i´m like wtf?
I am clueless..

On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord.

On August 09 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information.

On August 09 2013 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes. I am saying that.

On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:


Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid.

On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia?

On August 09 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Quote me please Acrofales. Where ever i give an opinion on Grack?

On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia?

On August 09 2013 04:29 Acrofales wrote:

Err, wait. Grack was the black lion, not the black kraken.

I still have not much opinion. His explanation of his behaviour to us seems quite okay, but he hasn't done much other than announce who are his family members. I still don't have much of an opinion of him one way or another. He seems to have some thoughts, which is okay, I guess, but nothing particularly useful.

On August 09 2013 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a sidenote. One of the houses is seriously considering using a HP chack this phase.

HP check this early on helps mafia more than it does help town. Mafia is in control of KP (besides house lords), if we reveal some house HP, mafia can direct their KP more accurately. As this is a KP/HP game i assume at least most of the people have more than 1 HP, and mafia has > 1 KP, probably even > 2 KP.

I will use all my power to kill you all if you do that, you are scum.

On August 09 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit!

On August 09 2013 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:


You clearly said:
1) you want to use the HP check NOW (i read that as D1)
2) when i opposed that, you did not give me reasons why it´s beneficial to use that now.

How am i twisting your words?

On August 09 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Vivax!

What do you think of Onegu, FT, Acrofales and johnnywup?

On August 09 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing. In Oberyn´s defense he was suspicious of Acro before our thing happened. He expressed his suspicion to me in PM´s and told me to not tell anyone about that (as there was this house HP stuff going on, he wanted more information from Acro regarding that). So i can see why he voted / laid out his case on Acro when he did and it makes sense to me.

On August 09 2013 18:15 Dandel Ion wrote:

Why would you drag it out over multiple cycles?
that only muddies the waters.

On August 09 2013 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:


First we started talking about Onegu (his suggestion of using the house HP check), i told Oberyn this:
"Onegu´s suggestion is beyond stupid or scummy. Why should we give mafia information about how many HP people have, od D1, when there is not much to go with? Have you tried to ask his reasoning for that?"

Oberyn agreed with me. Then he said he finds it weird Acrofales agrees with Onegu and wants to use the HP check on their own house because it´s important for the lords to know about the HP so they can direct KP accordingly. Then he said Acro is his biggest suspect at the moment and asked me to not share this with anyone yet so he could keep questioning him.

Me:
"Hmm.. Ask him (Acro) about his motives to use the HP check. I find that extremely anti-town thing to do at this point, at least if a scum!Lord uses it (as they get the information). Assuming mafia does not know how much HP people have they are in the same boat with us townies right now. there is no reason to push that information to be known right now as mafia is the holder of the KP besides us lords. It does not help town at all. Keep up messaging with Acro, and keep me informed. "

Oberyn then told me that Acro had misunderstood the check as a single target check (i assume this means that you can pick one person - when in fact it´s a full house) and in that case Acro´s suggestion is not that scummy. First Acro had told Oberyn he thinks it should be used on D1 to find out about hp, which Oberyn thought was scummy, but then he had said it should be used to confirm lord kp, which was in Oberyn´s mind less scummy (i didin´t really get what that meant).

Me:
"Okay, if that´s true what you said about Acro it´s not a scumtell. I mean if he thought the check was not single. As k him how he can possibly think so (single target) when the OP clearly says otherwise. Pressure him on that. If he is mafia he might fuck up."

And that´s the last time we have talked about Acrofales.

On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote:
More on Acrofales:

I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are town, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction.

Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it.

Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them.

In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today.

On August 09 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing. In Oberyn´s defense he was suspicious of Acro before our thing happened. He expressed his suspicion to me in PM´s and told me to not tell anyone about that (as there was this house HP stuff going on, he wanted more information from Acro regarding that). So i can see why he voted / laid out his case on Acro when he did and it makes sense to me.

On August 09 2013 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dandel, you did play in Ego right?

On August 09 2013 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind, the main point is this:

In Red there is a mason group of me, hapa, acro and grack. Acro thinks he is talking in scum QT (lol) and claims a vote rigger. Grack sees this and what´s his response. He immediately claims his role in the mason QT. Then he posts some "not so bright stuff" in thread and gets hc-tunneled by Palmar for the rest of his game.

Look at his first post in this game. He immediately lays out everything he has gathered on N0, not thinking about if he should claim who his housemates are or not.

This post in itself and compared to Red Teams Prize screams that Grackaroni is town.

On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you mean by town name?

Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post.

On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:

Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats.

On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia.

Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now.

On August 10 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why is it impossible he would not do that as scum? Iam saying he could do that regardless of his alignment. If you are going to defend him by your argument you need to tell me why it´s impossible he would not do that as mafia. I just told you why he would do that as mafia.

On August 10 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you posting that more than 48 hours until we have to vote Oberyn?
Seems like useless fluff to me.

On August 10 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I said that, it´s in OP.

On August 10 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sharrant i wouls like to do a little exercise with you.

It includes me using our house KP on you, unless you start telling who you think is mafia soon and please answer me.

On August 10 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I could lynch jrkirby if people are not willing to lynch who i have proposed. What do you think about my targets and what i said about them?

On August 10 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, we need to start deciding stuff soon.

iamp, i am okay with your proposed shot. Lord KP should be used to vig lurkers, at least on N1.
How many of the lords do we want to vig a single target? 2? more? For me 2 seems fine.

As for lynch targets, so far i think:

Solstice - I called his thought process fishy earlier. This is what i meant. Solstice does not want Dandel to be a lord. He says, when Dandel is town, he probably does good stuff as a lord. When he is scum, he will most likely out himself. Then he doesn´t want to elect Dandel, because he can´t be sure if he is town. I don´t like that, at all. By Solstice´s thinking, he should definitely elect Dandel and noone else. It will give him a near 100% read on Dandel, as he himself said. Why does he not want to immediately figure out Dandel´s alignment? Later on he says that "Dandel will out him either way". Has he? I see no mention of Dandel´s alignment by Solstice after that.

johnnywup - There are two things why i think johnnywup is mafia. The first one is his overly defensive stance on his 3p thing. When being questioned about that in thread, his first comment is "other people did not find that scummy". That´s really going overboard if you are town, why would you be more interested to tell people that other people did not find you scummy rather than if they thought you were right or wrong and how did you end up in the conclusion? Another thing that stands out is johnnywup´s house member list. In itself list posts are bad, but this is worse. He hasn´t even put a single bit off thought into the lise (notice him not realizing in which house Vivax/Gumshoe are). Scummy as fuck.

Onegu - Onegu has not done anything. Lika anything at all. If you look at his posts he is entering rendom discussions for what? To have nothing to say. Look at when he tells he has already given his thoughts about Solstice & Clarity. His conclusion on Solstice is "we need to hear from him". Right. On Clarity he redacted from his town read because he was not willing find out about role names. So his whole discussion & conclusion is worthless. Now he is trying to figure out FirmTofu. Nothing on that front. scum.

Vigi list:

Sharrant
gumshoe
yamato77
jrkirby
Nachomamma8
kushm4sta

For the record, noone in my house has had any contact with me on D1. I have been PMing the other lords all the time i have been online, and i would expect if they have something to ask, they will. I am not going to try to do everything and i have had pretty much nothing to say to them. So FT/Risen/nachodude if you got something to ask or something you want to discuss feel free to PM me.

Vivax, when i asked you about my scumreads, why didn´t you answer me and asked me about someone else instead?

On August 10 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now that the experiment is apparently over, Sharrant, can you finally tell me where have i twisted anyone´s words in this game?

On August 10 2013 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck, Oberyn had the best idea of the century!

On August 10 2013 05:28 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't really see as town how you could genuinely be angry at oats and then be a complete hypocrite to what you expect from others

On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.

On August 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything?

How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post?

On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So who is scum so far from the 6 houses?
my house seems pretty townie

On August 10 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i pretty much think he gave us nothing, that bothers me much.
Who do you want to lynch? Who are we shooting?

On August 12 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i would. You basically gave the only possible fakeclaim to mafia in case X is scum.

On August 12 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don´t think yamato is town, and all my scumreads basically claimed blue..

On August 12 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote:
Rayne basicly tunneled me all of day 1...

On August 12 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was the point of outing the result of the HP check to everyone?

On August 12 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was the point of outing the result of the HP check to everyone?

On August 12 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why not just tell one of your townreads, like Xatalos? Because that would have been the right course of action imo, when you used the check, which i do not agree was wise in the first place.

On August 12 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah i agree wit h you on that. Why did Grackaroni out that in thread?

On August 12 2013 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The dude is allowed to PM you guys? Why are you not cooperating?

On August 12 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don´t think yamato is town, and all my scumreads basically claimed blue..

On August 12 2013 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The point is i would expect some cooperation in houses. Your house doesn't seem to cooperate and i would like to know why?

On August 12 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What´s the point of telling a list of names when i am pretty sure yamato is scum?

On August 12 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay now we are getting somewhere. Why do you think Grackaroni outed the check result if you specifically asked his thoughts on what to do?

On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town...

On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:

you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway

On August 11 2013 14:32 Grackaroni wrote:

you're right that was stupid.

On August 12 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Here is your conclusion. iamperfection and Grackaroni are doing incredibly stupid stuff if they are town.
They are not working together in their house.
When they are being called out from their stupid stuff they say "my bad, it was dumb".

WHY THE FUCK DO TOWNIES DO STUPID STUFF WITHOUT THINKING FOR 5 MINUTES?
Right, for no reason..

On August 12 2013 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is scum motivation:
Mafia wants to know how much HP people have much more than town. If iamp uses the check he basically has to tell his house members he is gonna use it, other wise he could get caught (if let´s say Xatalos becomes a lord and uses the check). When he tells the results, Grackaroni outs the results in thread "because dumb". If Grackaroni did not do that, and strange things start to happen with night KP, this points to Xatalos/iamp/Grackaroni. Now, when Grackaroni did out the check, if strange things start to happen it points to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON IN THE GAME!
Magic!

On August 12 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: And after all this ridiculous stuff people are just letting this kinda stuff slip by because the guys said "my bad, it was stupid".

wtf is up with you? How are you going to find mafia if every scummy thing is gonna be brushed away by sinply saying "my bad, i was dumb"?

On August 12 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is your conclusion Clarity? Do you think someone in that house is mafia? Why / why not?

On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?

Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim?

On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure.

I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.

On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming?

On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim.
Unless i know the cake is a lie.

On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Ehh.. Why is that?

On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xata, what earlier question?

On August 13 2013 01:09 Onegu wrote:
Can we shoot Grack tonight he has info it shouldnt be possible for him to have.

On August 13 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think iamp said he didn´t. Who else could it have been?

On August 13 2013 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is the Grackaroni situation solved already or what? Lords?

On August 13 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think Onegu is scum so do not necessarily trust him. What was the case?

On August 13 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think Onegu is scum so do not necessarily trust him. What was the case?

On August 13 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that.

On August 09 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Then what do you mean by this:

?????

On August 09 2013 08:11 Acrofales wrote:

Okay, here's what happened. Not being able to cite from my Maester's records is really complicating this matter.

I told rayn that we were having a discussion in our house about the use of our healing magic and asked him what he thought was the best use of it. In particular, my original question mentioned that it seemed risky to use, as had been emphasized to me by both the Red Viper and Sharrant: if the information falls into the pretenders' hands, they will be able to better use their armies, whereas the advantage for coordinating our own swords seems secondary to this.

Rayn answered with a similar observation, and seemed suspicious of WHY I thought it might be advantageous to use now. I answered that I initially had thought that it could be useful to coordinate our loyalist swords in order to not overcommit on any particular Blackfyre suspect. But I emphasized that the risk was greater than the reward. I also made an allusion to the plan concocted by Sharrant, the Red Viper and myself to perhaps catch Blackfyre scum using our magics, but this plan relies somewhat on secrecy and I am not divulging its workings in public.

This post triggered the initial outburst in the thread, where rayn basically called me out for being a Blackfyre myself based on my supposed will to use the magic immediately. After I recognized what he might have misinterpreted in my original answer, I offered him an olive branch, pointing out what was probably the root of the misunderstanding and thinking I might have overreacted with his "misrepresenting my words".

His response to that was that he would back down from his accusations if I told him about the plan. I don't take well to being blackmailed, and I certainly don't think blackmailing someone is a loyalist attitude. I am now convinced he is a Blackfyre infiltrant who is desperate for this information that might put a stop to their dastardly plans.

On August 10 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, we need to start deciding stuff soon.

iamp, i am okay with your proposed shot. Lord KP should be used to vig lurkers, at least on N1.
How many of the lords do we want to vig a single target? 2? more? For me 2 seems fine.

As for lynch targets, so far i think:

Solstice - I called his thought process fishy earlier. This is what i meant. Solstice does not want Dandel to be a lord. He says, when Dandel is town, he probably does good stuff as a lord. When he is scum, he will most likely out himself. Then he doesn´t want to elect Dandel, because he can´t be sure if he is town. I don´t like that, at all. By Solstice´s thinking, he should definitely elect Dandel and noone else. It will give him a near 100% read on Dandel, as he himself said. Why does he not want to immediately figure out Dandel´s alignment? Later on he says that "Dandel will out him either way". Has he? I see no mention of Dandel´s alignment by Solstice after that.

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On August 12 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don´t think yamato is town, and all my scumreads basically claimed blue..

On August 12 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
besides johnnywup..

On August 13 2013 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
YOU CAUGHT ME IM STILL HERE

Erm.. He spammed. his filter was like 45 pages or something.
He theorized about conspiracy's (like this game)
He focused on little inconsistencies even if they are explained somewhere in the thread (like this game)
He asked peoples opinion on stuff without giving his own (like this game)

He's town or he emulates his townplay extremely well as scum.