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On August 17 2013 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity tell me how Onegu's thought process makes sense. I'm gonna shop groceries, when i am back i am gonna tell you why it does not make sense.
be back in 15.
He thinks I got roleblocked by town because I didn't look that good day 1. He voted snb d3 because he looked like scum and all the townie people were pushing him....
What you're trying to say is that: 1) onegu believes clarity was roleblocked by town n1 2) onegu believes that a town roleblocker would roleblock a scumread 3) snb had a scumread on clarity at the end of d1 (this isn't true but let's assume it is) 4) therefore snb was the only person with a scumread on clarity, therefore onegu MUST believe that snb is the town roleblocker.
CAN YOU SEE HOW... NOT ONEGU'S, BUT YOUR LOGIC MAKES NO SENSE
If you have a different explanation of your logic I look forward to it.
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Both scum and town do bluehunt. They do, or can you honestly say you don't bluehunt as town? For example, since D1 i have had a red/blue read on Sharrant because his play has been so different from his play in LXI.
Onegu assumes there is a town roleblocker (which can clearly be seen from his posts). He assumes, at N1 the town roleblocker blocked you (as he has said). He has also implied the town roleblocker probably had a scumread on you. When i ask him who did have a scumread on you at the end of D1 he answers FirmTofu and SnB (it doesn't really matter if they had or not, it matters that Onegu thinks so). Onegu does not remember anyone else having a scumread on you. FirmTofu is lynched D1. There is only SnB left.
Now, who is the most logical person for Onegu to assume is the town roleblocker? Right, SnB. At least for him it HAS to be a big possibility that SnB is the town roleblocker. If it is not tell me why the fuck is it not???
What does Onegu say about SnB on D2:
SnB. Scum. Doesnt read the thread much but pms alot and gives very little info reguarding his reads. Also what went on in house with him and clarity seems like SnB had some plan going on with his claim and it was messed up.
What does Onegu do on D3. Votes for SnB.
Now, Clarity, how does that make sense?
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Again. You somehow assume that onegu thinks only the people who expressed a scumread on me could have a scumread on me.
When you ask him "who had a scumread on clarity" he'll answer the people who SHOWED they had a scumread on me. There's even a third possiblity. Onegu didn't think about who the town roleblocker is because as town it's fucking useless. This is so fucking dumb.
Here's the saddest fucking part. Yes, onegu could be scum, and if he flips red this game you're gonna go "SEE I TOLD YOU SO" when your logic is plain WRONG.
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I do not really know how to convince you that someone is mafia when all you are willing to look for is if people post or not. I do not know how you scumhunt to be honest.
Or you are scum.
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Like seriously. If you thought there was a town roleblocker and you thought they had a scumread on you on D1, and the only person alive who has (in your mind) expressed a scumread on you is SnB, would you or would you not think he has a big possibility of being a town roleblocker?
If you did, would you call him scum all game after that without investigating into the matter further?
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On August 17 2013 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like seriously. If you thought there was a town roleblocker and you thought they had a scumread on you on D1, and the only person alive who has (in your mind) expressed a scumread on you is SnB, would you or would you not think he has a big possibility of being a town roleblocker?
If you did, would you call him scum all game after that without investigating into the matter further?
Clearly not since I DID believe I was likely roleblocked by town, and I did push snb as a lynch d3. Dork.
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Please do not insult me personally, there is no reason to do so.
Did you think you were roleblocked or jailed?
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I see no reason for me to get jailed n1 so I think I was roleblocked.
Here let me make a case on myself:
On August 13 2013 05:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Doesn't really matter. Highly unlikely town would roleblock you, so the roleblock came from scum or scum withheld a roleblock to give you town cred which you already had.
So you're town. Don't really care about the rest. Stop measuring dicks please.
CLARITY CLEARLY THINKS THAT XATA WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY SCUM, THAT MEANS HE BELIEVES HE GOT ROLEBLOCKED BY TOWN
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO EXPRESSED A SCUMREAD ON CLARITY AND WOULD THEREFORE ROLEBLOCK HIM AS TOWN ARE FT AND SNB
FT DIED SO CLARITY MUST ASSUME THAT SNB IS TOWN ROLEBLOCKER
On August 15 2013 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:snb asked me in a pm why I think he's scum, and asked me to answer either in pm or thread, he doesn't seem happy with the "he's not doing anything" reason. So here it is, why snb is scum: 1) Low activity. It CAN be town, but it's more likely to be disinterested scum. 2) After being lord d1 snb suddenly does not want to be lord d2. He tells both me and oats the exact same phrase in pms "I want to run for lord n3 again, I want to re-earn my obv-towniness from n0" 3) Broken promises. This ties into point 2. He has not re-earned his "obv-towniness" at all. d2 he didn't do much, that's simply how it is. He had no presence in the thread at all, nor im pms. How about d3 you ask? He's pushed risen real hard you say? Let's look at his main post on risen shall we. + Show Spoiler +On August 13 2013 01:45 strongandbig wrote:So here's what I want to talk about - why has Risen been getting a pass today? I don't even care about him being lord. It sounds completely reasonable that he would be chosen since his house was worried Rayne would die (although it seems like a better plan would have been for three to vote Rayne and Risen to vote himself, that way if Ryan dies Risen would be the next lord automatically). Anyway, we should be pressuring Risen for what's in his filter. (1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit. He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it. (aside: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.) In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads. Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread. First off, the first paragraph about risen getting lord is immediately wrong. during n2, Only rayn and risen were alive when they had to vote for lord, yet snb doesn't know this? He's mentioning 3 vote for one and one the other. He thought all 4 members of that house were alive? This indicates snb is clearly not paying attention to this game. The first three paragraphs are all on his opening list post that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER agreed was terrible. Why are you analyzing it snb? To make your case four times as big as it needed to be, perhaps? Big cases carry more weight, right? Then there's the last bit: Show nested quote +The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. Notice how snb's case on risen is comprised entirely of Risen's day 1 and nothing else. Yes, at the end of day 1 he still wanted to lynch me. But guess what? He eventually did change his mind on me and grack. I doubt snb was even aware of it, but if he was then clearly he didn't care to mention it, because it would make his case less compelling. AND 4) snb only shows up in thread when he's under pressure. When he's not under pressure he's nowhere to be found. ##Vote strongandbig
WHATS THIS, CLARITY IS VOTING FOR THE ONLY PERSON HE COULD CONSIDER TO BE THE TOWN ROLEBLOCKER? THIS IS NOT TOWNIE LOGIC, CLARITY IS SCUM ______________________________________________________________ That is what you sound like. And calling you a dork should not be insulting. It's like the mildest insult I could think of.
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On August 17 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please do not insult me personally, there is no reason to do so.
Did you think you were roleblocked or jailed?
What does it matter if it was JK or RB. And I went backed and looked to get FT post then went with one other person I knew had a scum read day one, I didnt say those are the only ones that had a scum read on him, I just didnt feel like looking for more, I just wanted to show you some people had scum reads on him.
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I am not accusing you of anything, i am trying to understand your thought process because i do not know your alignment.
I do not think there is a jailor because of Vivax flipping scum RB and Grackaroni being jailed on N3. So it's either town or mafia roleblocker. Town roleblocker makes sense if mafia roleblocked Sharrant on N2. Either way, no sane town roleblocker would block Sharrant, that makes Sharrant town. This means either scum roleblocked Onegu, or they withheld the roleblock to make him look more town (this also makes sense because he claimed blue on D2 - actually it makes sense in both Onegu = scum/town).
Did you think anyone else was suspicious of you at D1 end other than SnB?
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On August 17 2013 19:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please do not insult me personally, there is no reason to do so.
Did you think you were roleblocked or jailed? What does it matter if it was JK or RB. And I went backed and looked to get FT post then went with one other person I knew had a scum read day one, I didnt say those are the only ones that had a scum read on him, I just didnt feel like looking for more, I just wanted to show you some people had scum reads on him. That's the point, "you don't remember" anyone else for a reason. If you were town trying to figure out the night actions in a mindset: 1) Clarity was roleblocked by town roleblocker N1 2) You were roleblocked by a town roleblocker N2 3) Grackaroni was roleblocked by town roleblocker N3
..you would remember, because you would be looking for that town roleblocker BECAUSE IT MAKES ONE LESS SUSPECT TO YOU!!
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I don't think this convo is productive
The important take is rayn now admits sharrant is playing diff to mafia lix.. when I came in the game saying sharrant is different . Rayn tried to throw shit at me This guy just changes his tune based on who he's talking to.
He can't hide from me. Even with a 17page filter. He's scum yo
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On August 17 2013 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not accusing you of anything, i am trying to understand your thought process because i do not know your alignment.
I do not think there is a jailor because of Vivax flipping scum RB and Grackaroni being jailed on N3. So it's either town or mafia roleblocker. Town roleblocker makes sense if mafia roleblocked Sharrant on N2. Either way, no sane town roleblocker would block Sharrant, that makes Sharrant town. This means either scum roleblocked Onegu, or they withheld the roleblock to make him look more town (this also makes sense because he claimed blue on D2 - actually it makes sense in both Onegu = scum/town).
Did you think anyone else was suspicious of you at D1 end other than SnB? EBWOP: This to clarity.-
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On August 17 2013 19:38 Mocsta wrote: I don't think this convo is productive
The important take is rayn now admits sharrant is playing diff to mafia lix.. when I came in the game saying sharrant is different . Rayn tried to throw shit at me This guy just changes his tune based on who he's talking to.
He can't hide from me. Even with a 17page filter. He's scum yo Yo, i should accuse Sharrant on D3 because he got a red check on yamato, who we lynched, who flipped red!
Logic!
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Keep going Mocsta! I am so confirmed town when you flip. :D
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Or do you want to tell us what kinda blue you are gonna flip? Perhaps a jailor? town roleblocker?
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On August 17 2013 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not accusing you of anything, i am trying to understand your thought process because i do not know your alignment.
I do not think there is a jailor because of Vivax flipping scum RB and Grackaroni being jailed on N3. So it's either town or mafia roleblocker. Town roleblocker makes sense if mafia roleblocked Sharrant on N2. Either way, no sane town roleblocker would block Sharrant, that makes Sharrant town. This means either scum roleblocked Onegu, or they withheld the roleblock to make him look more town (this also makes sense because he claimed blue on D2 - actually it makes sense in both Onegu = scum/town).
Did you think anyone else was suspicious of you at D1 end other than SnB?
I don't remember nor do I care to look back to see who was suspicious of me. I'm glad you did an EBWOP to make sure I answered this important question.
I'm gonna take a break now.
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You really dont make since why would I look for town RB isnt it good enough to just know someone is town. And you got me I didnt know for sure if that makes me scum in your eyes so be it.
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Rayn.
Honestly. I don't blue hunt when I play as town
But to do that is not alignment indicative either.
This convo is truly pointless.
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snb is scum because he didn't get modkilled for posting a wall of text during the night.
also the wall of text was terrible, but it's mainly the not-being-modkilled part.
discuss.
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