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On August 17 2013 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:22 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 20:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations. Clarity is not even reading the thread as i have clearly pointed out. Why do you think he is town? Also Onegu, why? It's cliche to say "for PM reasons" but they were the two most active and open Lords in PM contact with me yesterday. Or Onegu not as much, but there was a pretty weird episode in our conversation that didn't feel like it would come from scum. Basically just overall transparency and a good, interested attitude in solving the game (certainly the case with Clarity, somewhat the case with Onegu). Clarity was also very interested in lynching Vivax. It didn't feel fake at all... I mean like no hesitation about going for him. Wow. Xatalos. Explain. Clarity was interested in lynching SnB over Vivax.
Actually true, he did hesitate when Vivax claimed. But in PMs he was pretty suspicious of Vivax and didn't oppose lynching him at any point.
Also: if Vivax had decided to give up in ScumQT, WHY would Clarity hesitate in bussing him?
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On August 17 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 20:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations. Clarity is not even reading the thread as i have clearly pointed out. Why do you think he is town? Also Onegu, why? ............................................................................................. I've asked twice now what I haven't answered........ Like really, I don't see it. Tell me so I can answer, perhaps? Holy fuck. You did this whole "I advise you to read d3 now because I'm about to nail you as scum" and then your following post was "did you really not answer risen in pms? And why did you not vote vivax immediately when he claimed!!" Like.... wtf are you doing rayn. I don't need to make a case on you, it'll come on later. Now we are murdering Mocsta. You stopped giving me answers when i talked about the town roleblovker stuff and who did you think were suspicious of you on D1. Well, you did "answer", but i do not believe you are telling the truth because i think you are mafia.
Ok so you think I'm scum because I stopped answering you No wait, you think I'm scum because I DID answer you but you think I'm lying
No wait, it's not lying, it's that BECAUSE I'M SCUM you don't believe I'm telling the truth.
but i do not believe you are telling the truth because i think you are mafia.
rayn doesnt believe me BECAUSE he believes I'm scum
WHAT THE FUCK
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It's not that he can point out anything as a lie, but I'm scum, so obviously I'm lying about something.
rayn is scum, I refuse to believe this is coming from a townie.
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On August 17 2013 20:18 Mocsta wrote: Xat Please detail why my play is nullish. When u were saying it was leaning townish yesterday.
Why is me saying. This is interesting alignment indicative?
U have been a voice of reason all game. So I am sure that u should be able to easily justify your position.
Lastly. Why have you not commented on the interplay with rayn
I said "null / slightly townish" actually. In that grey area where I slightly liked your posting but found it hard to trust you because of jrkirby.
It's more about the giving up part. "This is interesting" didn't really mean much at all, although it was a bit weird as your first thought. Why not think about being framed or being accused by scum? But as I said, "this is interesting" is pretty null.
I think rayn isn't making sense lately. Is he scum or blinded by bias, hard to say. Your dispute with him could be a double bus as scum&scum or a genuine dispute as town&scum. Very unlikely town&town.
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On August 17 2013 20:27 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not that he can point out anything as a lie, but I'm scum, so obviously I'm lying about something.
rayn is scum, I refuse to believe this is coming from a townie.
I'm starting to think the same...
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Double bus. That's ridiculous to even consider. We have been both legitimately down each other throats
As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing?
Is it not important I'm here. Still posting?
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On August 17 2013 20:33 Mocsta wrote: Double bus. That's ridiculous to even consider. We have been both legitimately down each other throats
As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing?
Is it not important I'm here. Still posting?
It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum?
Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way?
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Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry.
Xatalos. I am a bit puzzled here. Why is Clarity town to you and me scum (at least i was at some point?). I was the one who brought up Vivax in the first place in D3. It can clearly be seen from my PM's with Risen that i have been suspecting him since D2. Clarity did hesitate lynching Vivax for a long time. Your conclusion is that Vivax gave up in scum QT and Clarity is town because he (clearly?) did not know that or his actions point towards that. Why do you assume so in the first place? Isn't that a bit WIFOMy?
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On August 17 2013 20:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:33 Mocsta wrote: Double bus. That's ridiculous to even consider. We have been both legitimately down each other throats
As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing?
Is it not important I'm here. Still posting? It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum? Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way?
Mostly meta I have played 4 games with him and he was town in everyone, but he played the same exact way and was mislynched in every single one. He was also slightly more open in PMs than the thread.
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On August 17 2013 20:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:33 Mocsta wrote: Double bus. That's ridiculous to even consider. We have been both legitimately down each other throats
As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing?
Is it not important I'm here. Still posting? It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum? Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way? I have explained several times Sharrant play doesn't match to what I know of him as town But. Based on lynching yam. I think he is town
If it came down to us two for today. I would rather lynch him than me 1. I know in town 2.if Dt. He should be dead this night regardless 3. He doesn't contribute to scum hunting other than the checks. Unlike myself.
Of course. I prefer rayn over both of us though
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On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry.
Xatalos. I am a bit puzzled here. Why is Clarity town to you and me scum (at least i was at some point?). I was the one who brought up Vivax in the first place in D3. It can clearly be seen from my PM's with Risen that i have been suspecting him since D2. Clarity did hesitate lynching Vivax for a long time. Your conclusion is that Vivax gave up in scum QT and Clarity is town because he (clearly?) did not know that or his actions point towards that. Why do you assume so in the first place? Isn't that a bit WIFOMy?
Actually yes, Clarity did hesitate about Vivax even before he basically already gave up. Something about "legitimate IRL excuses" for not playing properly. Dunno why he would soft defend Vivax at that point. I guess it's a slight victory for you, but far from conclusive. I would also basically instantly know if Clarity was scum based on some information we shared in PMs and only we should know and NKs were made based on that information.
But the main point is, Clarity was so transparent and proactive in PMs that it's highly, highly unlikely for him to be scum.
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Anyway here's what's happened.
Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does.
Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well.
rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more:
On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry.
He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES
On August 17 2013 20:01 Xatalos wrote: Back (as you can see from my Picard GIF, I was up a bit late last night...).
So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons: 1) jrkirby's scummy play 2) Mocsta's nullish play 3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success 4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP) 5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...?
What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him.
This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason?
On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more.
I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum.
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On August 17 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote:Anyway here's what's happened. Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does. Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well. rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more: Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry. He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:01 Xatalos wrote: Back (as you can see from my Picard GIF, I was up a bit late last night...).
So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons: 1) jrkirby's scummy play 2) Mocsta's nullish play 3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success 4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP) 5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...?
What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him.
This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason? Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum.
LOL wtf Rayn? Your recent play really is full of contradictions. Can you explain your way out of this?
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On August 17 2013 20:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations. I wanted to answer this before.
I had a scum/blue read on Sharrant until he claimed blue. I would have pushed his lynch on D2 but i didn't get there before he had claimed. Remember what i said to Oats "basically all my scumreads claimed blue".
I have never been talking about people who "pushed someone". I have been talking about people who had "scumread on someone". That's entirely different. Mafia do not want push blue dudes because they claim and then the lynch target will be at least reconsidered. Mafia wants to kill the blue dudes.
On August 17 2013 20:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry.
Xatalos. I am a bit puzzled here. Why is Clarity town to you and me scum (at least i was at some point?). I was the one who brought up Vivax in the first place in D3. It can clearly be seen from my PM's with Risen that i have been suspecting him since D2. Clarity did hesitate lynching Vivax for a long time. Your conclusion is that Vivax gave up in scum QT and Clarity is town because he (clearly?) did not know that or his actions point towards that. Why do you assume so in the first place? Isn't that a bit WIFOMy? Actually yes, Clarity did hesitate about Vivax even before he basically already gave up. Something about "legitimate IRL excuses" for not playing properly. Dunno why he would soft defend Vivax at that point. I guess it's a slight victory for you, but far from conclusive. I would also basically instantly know if Clarity was scum based on some information we shared in PMs and only we should know and NKs were made based on that information. But the main point is, Clarity was so transparent and proactive in PMs that it's highly, highly unlikely for him to be scum. Fair enough. Unless you are playing a ridiculous powerplay as mafia (meaning you roleblocked at least one of your own on N1) i am willing to believe you. Since i do believe at least one of you/Clarity HAS to be town i think at least one of you is telling the truth. regarding this PM stuff, is there ANY possibility that Clarity is mafia so that it could be explained in a reasonable manner?
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One way to interpret the post where he says "he didn't accuse me in the first place" is to say he didn't think I was scum until I got angry, so let's go through that scenario from rayns POV:
-I think clarity is town -I think onegu is scum because of X -Clarity disagrees with X and gave me a logical explanation of why -When I insist on X being true, clarity got mad -Clarity got mad at me not because he disagrees with me, but because he's scum -because clarity is scum he lied to me at some point, so I'm going to say he's not saying the truth
This does not compute with me. Rayn, if you have an alternate explanation now is the time to share it broski
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On August 17 2013 20:50 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote:Anyway here's what's happened. Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does. Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well. rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more: On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry. He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES On August 17 2013 20:01 Xatalos wrote: Back (as you can see from my Picard GIF, I was up a bit late last night...).
So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons: 1) jrkirby's scummy play 2) Mocsta's nullish play 3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success 4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP) 5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...?
What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him.
This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason? On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum. LOL wtf Rayn? Your recent play really is full of contradictions. Can you explain your way out of this? Clarity is misrepresenting me. I did not accuse him before he got angry and answered with "i do not care to check and i do not remember". After that you asked me if i think he is mafia and i said yes. Not before that.
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On August 17 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:50 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote:Anyway here's what's happened. Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does. Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well. rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more: On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry. He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES On August 17 2013 20:01 Xatalos wrote: Back (as you can see from my Picard GIF, I was up a bit late last night...).
So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons: 1) jrkirby's scummy play 2) Mocsta's nullish play 3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success 4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP) 5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...?
What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him.
This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason? On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum. LOL wtf Rayn? Your recent play really is full of contradictions. Can you explain your way out of this? Clarity is misrepresenting me. I did not accuse him before he got angry and answered with "i do not care to check and i do not remember". After that you asked me if i think he is mafia and i said yes. Not before that.
You asked me who had a scumread on me d1. Why the fuck would I even bother figuring out that answer for you
If this is the question you referred to, then why did you first say I didn't answer it, and then said that I DID answer it but I'm not telling the truth (the truth is apparently NOT that I don't remember nor care to look)
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ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-.
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On August 17 2013 20:57 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 20:50 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote:Anyway here's what's happened. Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does. Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well. rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more: On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry. He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES On August 17 2013 20:01 Xatalos wrote: Back (as you can see from my Picard GIF, I was up a bit late last night...).
So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons: 1) jrkirby's scummy play 2) Mocsta's nullish play 3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success 4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP) 5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...?
What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him.
This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason? On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum. LOL wtf Rayn? Your recent play really is full of contradictions. Can you explain your way out of this? Clarity is misrepresenting me. I did not accuse him before he got angry and answered with "i do not care to check and i do not remember". After that you asked me if i think he is mafia and i said yes. Not before that. You asked me who had a scumread on me d1. Why the fuck would I even bother figuring out that answer for you If this is the question you referred to, then why did you first say I didn't answer it, and then said that I DID answer it but I'm not telling the truth (the truth is apparently NOT that I don't remember nor care to look) It was for the same reason i asked Onegu about it. Apparently if you and Onegu are town you do not bluehunt. I find that really hard to believe because doing so is the easiest thing to distinguish true claims from fake claims later on and it really helps you figuring out mafia by process of elimination.
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On August 17 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-.
No rayn, you said you thought I was scum to xata. If you somehow did not think I was scum before I answered your dumb question with the truth that I didn't really care, then how do you come to the conclusion that both me and onegu are scum because of a dumb assertion you made BECAUSE I GOT MAD AT YOU.
Your thinking is full of holes. Scum making it up as they go along. Hang him.
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