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Rayn says that he got a scumread on me after the onegu argument, but the onegu argument was before I got angry at him.
What? You dunked yourself? :D
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That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn.
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On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn.
No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying.
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On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying.
Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong.
Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?"
You answered: "yes, he is"
Problem is then you made up weird reasons
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On August 17 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-. No rayn, you said you thought I was scum to xata. If you somehow did not think I was scum before I answered your dumb question with the truth that I didn't really care, then how do you come to the conclusion that both me and onegu are scum because of a dumb assertion you made BECAUSE I GOT MAD AT YOU.Your thinking is full of holes. Scum making it up as they go along. Hang him. Fuck you. You are straight out lying! When you say someone is lying, it helps to point out what the lie is. This is the second time you've accused me of lying without doing the second part. You have logic that makes onegu scum I point out it makes me scum too You say I'm scum for being angry at you You did NOT say I am scum because your logic that makes onegu scum applies to me Ergo, making it up on the spot. The same logic only applies to you if you: 1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end 2) Are not bad and bluehunt 3) Have been pushing those people after that What you said was: - SnB was not even suspicious of you - You "don't care to tell me who you thought was suspicious of you, and don't remember" (IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IF THE PEOPLE WERE OR WERE NOT SUSPICIOUS OF YOU, IT MATTERS IF YYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU THINK SO OR NOT!"!"!"!!!"!!")- You insult me. To me that seems like you are avoiding the issue i have with you, you are not willing to explain to me your thought process, there is something (if you tell the truth) i find out where you have fucked up. Those are the reasons i thought you were mafia for. And that was AFTER the Onegu argument and for DIFFERENT reasons. If you are unable to see that i don't know what to say. My thought process about what? What have I not explained my thought process about? Is this another "you haven't answered my questions" ??? I'm sure at some point I said people other then snb and ft who are town could have roleblocked me, does that not answer your question? Who the fuck gets so offended over someone calling them a dork? This is the last time i am trying to explain this. When i asked you "who do you think were suspicious of you on D1 end" you answered "i don't remember and i do not care to check". If you do not answer me in that question, i can't follow your thought process (where i apply my logic of people actually thinking about this game - figuring out who does what and why) about who do you think who could have roleblocked you in your mind. Then i am unable to use my logic on if you are scum or not based on if you have pushed those people's lynch after that. Like here is what i would think if i was roleblocked and assumed a roleblocker blocked me: 1) Are they a jailor or a roleblocker (do they have a town/scum read on me)? 2) In case of no jailor (as it seems likely now), is it town or mafia roleblocker? 3) In case i come to conclusion (as you have come?) town roleblocker; 4) Who had a scumread on me? (let's apply the logic i used on Onegu here and say SnB is the only one) 5) SnB 6) Conclusion; SnB is likely a town roleblocker. ... 7) Now, as i have a reason to assume SnB is a town roleblocker, i have something to work with. I need to find more about him to confirm him in a way or another in case (1) he really is the town rb'r, so i can defend him for not being possibly mislynched, or (2) i am wrong in something, who else fit's in the profile so i can go back to 1 with them. Do you understand my logic?
And here you apply the logic again that I said would make me scum too.
Yet you called me scum for getting angry at you, not for the exact same reasons. YOU SAID TO XATA I AM SCUM FOR THOSE REASONS and then YOU SAID I'M SCUM BECAUSE I GOT MAD
You cannot keep your story straight because you're not thinking about the game in a way that implies a townie mindset.
You're just trying to look like you're thinking about the game.
Get tunneled son
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On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons
Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu.
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On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu.
But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally.......
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On August 17 2013 21:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-. No rayn, you said you thought I was scum to xata. If you somehow did not think I was scum before I answered your dumb question with the truth that I didn't really care, then how do you come to the conclusion that both me and onegu are scum because of a dumb assertion you made BECAUSE I GOT MAD AT YOU.Your thinking is full of holes. Scum making it up as they go along. Hang him. Fuck you. You are straight out lying! When you say someone is lying, it helps to point out what the lie is. This is the second time you've accused me of lying without doing the second part. You have logic that makes onegu scum I point out it makes me scum too You say I'm scum for being angry at you You did NOT say I am scum because your logic that makes onegu scum applies to me Ergo, making it up on the spot. The same logic only applies to you if you: 1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end 2) Are not bad and bluehunt 3) Have been pushing those people after that What you said was: - SnB was not even suspicious of you - You "don't care to tell me who you thought was suspicious of you, and don't remember" (IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IF THE PEOPLE WERE OR WERE NOT SUSPICIOUS OF YOU, IT MATTERS IF YYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU THINK SO OR NOT!"!"!"!!!"!!")- You insult me. To me that seems like you are avoiding the issue i have with you, you are not willing to explain to me your thought process, there is something (if you tell the truth) i find out where you have fucked up. Those are the reasons i thought you were mafia for. And that was AFTER the Onegu argument and for DIFFERENT reasons. If you are unable to see that i don't know what to say. My thought process about what? What have I not explained my thought process about? Is this another "you haven't answered my questions" ??? I'm sure at some point I said people other then snb and ft who are town could have roleblocked me, does that not answer your question? Who the fuck gets so offended over someone calling them a dork? This is the last time i am trying to explain this. When i asked you "who do you think were suspicious of you on D1 end" you answered "i don't remember and i do not care to check". If you do not answer me in that question, i can't follow your thought process (where i apply my logic of people actually thinking about this game - figuring out who does what and why) about who do you think who could have roleblocked you in your mind. Then i am unable to use my logic on if you are scum or not based on if you have pushed those people's lynch after that. Like here is what i would think if i was roleblocked and assumed a roleblocker blocked me: 1) Are they a jailor or a roleblocker (do they have a town/scum read on me)? 2) In case of no jailor (as it seems likely now), is it town or mafia roleblocker? 3) In case i come to conclusion (as you have come?) town roleblocker; 4) Who had a scumread on me? (let's apply the logic i used on Onegu here and say SnB is the only one) 5) SnB 6) Conclusion; SnB is likely a town roleblocker. ... 7) Now, as i have a reason to assume SnB is a town roleblocker, i have something to work with. I need to find more about him to confirm him in a way or another in case (1) he really is the town rb'r, so i can defend him for not being possibly mislynched, or (2) i am wrong in something, who else fit's in the profile so i can go back to 1 with them. Do you understand my logic? And here you apply the logic again that I said would make me scum too. Yet you called me scum for getting angry at you, not for the exact same reasons. YOU SAID TO XATA I AM SCUM FOR THOSE REASONS and then YOU SAID I'M SCUM BECAUSE I GOT MAD You cannot keep your story straight because you're not thinking about the game in a way that implies a townie mindset. You're just trying to look like you're thinking about the game. Get tunneled son
I am done talking to you because you clearly do not read my posts closely.
It's really clear what i say in that post.
First paragraph is telling why i can't apply my logic to you.
Second is telling how i use my logic.
The second paragraph has nothing to do with my read on you or how i concluded you were scum.
Do whatever you want. I'm gonna be really sad if you are town.
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On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally.......
Why is everyone so dumb?
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On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu.
This simply cannot be, because I proved that if you think onegu is scum for that you must think I am scum for that too.
You confirmed that this is what you thought to xata when he asked if I'm scum too because of the reason onegu is scum.
Then you ignore all of that and call me scum for completely different reasons.
Anyway I got my point across by now, I'll be back later.
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On August 17 2013 21:30 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:27 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 21:21 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 17 2013 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really willing to believe that Clarity is scum. If he is, he deserves a Mafia MVP of the year or something. If he could fake his PM interactions with me so well as scum, he'd have been WAY more helpful than any actual townie so far for me (maybe contending with iamperfection). I just can't believe it. If he is, I'm going to salute him in postgame as the best liar I have ever known. Town would also be pretty screwed with everything he (and scum with him) would know.
DI, what do you think of rayn's recent posting? Why are you proposing snb when we have a redcheck AND a good town player using weak and inconsistent logic? snb doesn't really make sense at all for today.
Let's see what we have here. The rayn I know is extremely focused on finding scum and pushing his opinions to the end of time. This game he has:
1) bluehunted
2) spammed
3) scumhunted with weak reasoning
4) stepped out of the heated discussion because he "didn't need to participate" several times now
I'm starting to think rayn might actually be a good lynch for today. Sharrant is dead anyway tomorrow if he's a blue and that would prove Mocsta town or scum. yeah dunno i could see both as town tbh, seeing as clarity is not reading the thread properly if he pushed me more than softly i'd be getting pissed too atm, so i can't fault rayn for that. Hmmmm. Do you have other reasoning for snb besides WIFOM? What do you think of Mocsta? yeah that snb only does shit when he's about to get lynched. and even that only after he defends himself for years. mocsta honestly seems townie enough for me, but a red check is a red check. that's why i'd prefer shooting him over lynching him, if we have to.
Actually, the more I think about it...... I might not want to lynch into Sharrant/Mocsta today.
1) Scum can't roleblock anymore (extremely likely) so scum WILL kill Sharrant before long if he's town (since he apparently has unlimited checks)
2) If Sharrant flips town, then Mocsta is most likely scum
3) If Sharrant never dies, then Mocsta is most likely town and Sharrant scum
This seems more valuable than lynching either of them right away. Opinions?
That leaves me with rayn or snb. This rayn is very unlike the town rayn I know and love. snb hasn't done anything unless he's in real danger.
Maybe snb would be the safer choice. BUT I'm not feeling good about rayn either.
rayn and snb, I'd like to hear your opinions of each other? And I'd like others to comment on them as well.
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On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally.......
I have explained at least three times why it did not! Why is it so fucking hard to understand what i write?
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On August 17 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally....... Why is everyone so dumb?
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I think SnB is confirmed town.
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On August 17 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think SnB is confirmed town.
Why?
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Alright let me address that then since you seem to be clinging to it for dear life:
The same logic only applies to you if you:
1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end
2) Are not bad and bluehunt
3) Have been pushing those people after that
1) Why does this matter? clearly the thread shows only ft and snb were suspicious of me, and by your logic that means only those two can be town roleblocker in my eyes.
2) same goes for onegu but you didn't mention that
3) I HAVE, I PUSHED SNB MOST OF d3
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Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.
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Unless you can explain how onegu can be scum and I can be town according to your logic, I'm going with you're scum who couldn't keep his story straight.
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On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.
Then what do you think of him only posting when he's under pressure? And just being super-defensive and not pushing? Or DI's WIFOM?
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On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.
What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?
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