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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 12:58 GMT
#3881
On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?


Also this.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 17 2013 12:59 GMT
#3882
On August 17 2013 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright let me address that then since you seem to be clinging to it for dear life:

Show nested quote +
The same logic only applies to you if you:
1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end
2) Are not bad and bluehunt
3) Have been pushing those people after that


1) Why does this matter? clearly the thread shows only ft and snb were suspicious of me, and by your logic that means only those two can be town roleblocker in my eyes.
2) same goes for onegu but you didn't mention that
3) I HAVE, I PUSHED SNB MOST OF d3

1) Because not all the people do not read the thread in the same way. If that was the case we would have only same opinions about everything. I can't possibly know who you think is suspicious of you because you read posts differently (at least those that address you) than i do. It's not always so black & white. The difference with you and Onegu is that he told me he thought FT and SnB were suspicious of him (in his opinion) and didn't remember anyone else.
2) I did mention that. That was the whole foundation of my case today on him, lol
3) Yes you have, the difference is in (1). You did not tell me if you thought SnB was suspicious of you or not. If you thought SnB was not suspicious of you at the end of D1, you pushing him means shit and is not alignment indicative in this case.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 17 2013 13:00 GMT
#3883
On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?


Also this.

Mafia more than town.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:01 GMT
#3884
On August 17 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?


Also this.

Mafia more than town.


How is he confirmed if there is(?) a slight difference?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 17 2013 13:01 GMT
#3885
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


Then why am I mafia?, see night 2
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 13:03 GMT
#3886
On August 17 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright let me address that then since you seem to be clinging to it for dear life:

The same logic only applies to you if you:
1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end
2) Are not bad and bluehunt
3) Have been pushing those people after that


1) Why does this matter? clearly the thread shows only ft and snb were suspicious of me, and by your logic that means only those two can be town roleblocker in my eyes.
2) same goes for onegu but you didn't mention that
3) I HAVE, I PUSHED SNB MOST OF d3

1) Because not all the people do not read the thread in the same way. If that was the case we would have only same opinions about everything. I can't possibly know who you think is suspicious of you because you read posts differently (at least those that address you) than i do. It's not always so black & white. The difference with you and Onegu is that he told me he thought FT and SnB were suspicious of him (in his opinion) and didn't remember anyone else.
2) I did mention that. That was the whole foundation of my case today on him, lol
3) Yes you have, the difference is in (1). You did not tell me if you thought SnB was suspicious of you or not. If you thought SnB was not suspicious of you at the end of D1, you pushing him means shit and is not alignment indicative in this case.


that's because you specifically asked onegu who was suspicious of me d1, what is he supposed to answer other than the two people that showed it in thread? Is he supposed to guess?!? He even later said that other townies could easily have a scumread on me during n1 but didn't mention it. But you just glanced over that post didn't you?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 17 2013 13:04 GMT
#3887
On August 17 2013 22:01 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?


Also this.

Mafia more than town.


How is he confirmed if there is(?) a slight difference?

Well that's what i think. You are allowed to think otherwise. Also what Clarity said about him makes it likely they are both town, but that's kinda cheating. But nvm. That's what i think.

I also personally think everyone that does not follow the rules should be modkilled. Apparently half of the playerbase is incapable of understanding what "no posting during night phases mean".
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 13:05 GMT
#3888
Mistakes happen, it didn't harm anything. People who are host wifoming that scum is less likely to get modkilled for it are dumb.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:06 GMT
#3889
On August 17 2013 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:01 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?


Also this.

Mafia more than town.


How is he confirmed if there is(?) a slight difference?

Well that's what i think. You are allowed to think otherwise. Also what Clarity said about him makes it likely they are both town, but that's kinda cheating. But nvm. That's what i think.

I also personally think everyone that does not follow the rules should be modkilled. Apparently half of the playerbase is incapable of understanding what "no posting during night phases mean".


If Clarity is town, how is Onegu clearly scum...?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 17 2013 13:07 GMT
#3890
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 17 2013 13:07 GMT
#3891
On August 17 2013 22:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright let me address that then since you seem to be clinging to it for dear life:

The same logic only applies to you if you:
1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end
2) Are not bad and bluehunt
3) Have been pushing those people after that


1) Why does this matter? clearly the thread shows only ft and snb were suspicious of me, and by your logic that means only those two can be town roleblocker in my eyes.
2) same goes for onegu but you didn't mention that
3) I HAVE, I PUSHED SNB MOST OF d3

1) Because not all the people do not read the thread in the same way. If that was the case we would have only same opinions about everything. I can't possibly know who you think is suspicious of you because you read posts differently (at least those that address you) than i do. It's not always so black & white. The difference with you and Onegu is that he told me he thought FT and SnB were suspicious of him (in his opinion) and didn't remember anyone else.
2) I did mention that. That was the whole foundation of my case today on him, lol
3) Yes you have, the difference is in (1). You did not tell me if you thought SnB was suspicious of you or not. If you thought SnB was not suspicious of you at the end of D1, you pushing him means shit and is not alignment indicative in this case.


that's because you specifically asked onegu who was suspicious of me d1, what is he supposed to answer other than the two people that showed it in thread? Is he supposed to guess?!? He even later said that other townies could easily have a scumread on me during n1 but didn't mention it. But you just glanced over that post didn't you?

No, look. If he was looking for the town roleblocker (as i assumed he would), i would assume he would pay attention to that kind of a thing. Of course there could be more people, for example Risen was suspicious of you, i know that. The important part is what Onegu thinks. If Onegu does not see Risen being suspicious of you, then he probably does not assume Risen is the town roleblocker. It does not matter who were/were not. It matters what the person in question thought. He is not supposed to guess, he is supposed to say what he remembers. If people think about this kinda stuff they do remember.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:08 GMT
#3892
On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.


Why?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 17 2013 13:09 GMT
#3893
On August 17 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Mistakes happen, it didn't harm anything. People who are host wifoming that scum is less likely to get modkilled for it are dumb.

Yes i understand SnB and Ace made a mistake, it's pretty clear whatever SnB's alignment is.
I was referring to other ~5 people who clearly did not make a mistake.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:10 GMT
#3894
On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.


What do you think of my earlier reasoning:

Actually, the more I think about it...... I might not want to lynch into Sharrant/Mocsta today.
1) Scum can't roleblock anymore (extremely likely) so scum WILL kill Sharrant before long if he's town (since he apparently has unlimited checks)
2) If Sharrant flips town, then Mocsta is most likely scum
3) If Sharrant never dies, then Mocsta is most likely town and Sharrant scum
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:11 GMT
#3895
On August 17 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Mistakes happen, it didn't harm anything. People who are host wifoming that scum is less likely to get modkilled for it are dumb.

Yes i understand SnB and Ace made a mistake, it's pretty clear whatever SnB's alignment is.
I was referring to other ~5 people who clearly did not make a mistake.


We didn't really post though. Just etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 17 2013 13:11 GMT
#3896
Xatalos, Why do you want to get the possible cop killed?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:13 GMT
#3897
On August 17 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos, Why do you want to get the possible cop killed?


?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 17 2013 13:16 GMT
#3898
On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.

All cos I wouldn't give u hp check info lol
Why is that alignment indicative again? U asked me to be shot
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 17 2013 13:16 GMT
#3899
On August 17 2013 22:10 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.


What do you think of my earlier reasoning:

Actually, the more I think about it...... I might not want to lynch into Sharrant/Mocsta today.
1) Scum can't roleblock anymore (extremely likely) so scum WILL kill Sharrant before long if he's town (since he apparently has unlimited checks)
2) If Sharrant flips town, then Mocsta is most likely scum
3) If Sharrant never dies, then Mocsta is most likely town and Sharrant scum


So what happens if Sharrant lives past the night and claims roleblocked?
What happens if Sharrant and someone else claims roleblocked?
What happens if Sharrant lives and gives another red check?
What happens if Sharrant lives and gives a green check?
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 13:16 GMT
#3900
On August 17 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Mistakes happen, it didn't harm anything. People who are host wifoming that scum is less likely to get modkilled for it are dumb.

Yes i understand SnB and Ace made a mistake, it's pretty clear whatever SnB's alignment is.
I was referring to other ~5 people who clearly did not make a mistake.


it's not clear what his alignment is at all what the fuck.

I'm actually gonna step away from the game for a bit.

logical fallacies happen on both alignments, my issue with rayn is that he answered xata's question with a simply "yes, he's scum" and then later he explains it's because I got angry and refused to show my train of thought, as if I haven't done that all game or something.

Calling me scum for something as dumb as me not answering who I think the people are that I thought had a scumread on me is stupid beyond belief, it seems like scum taking an opportunity to first annoy and then blame the townie for getting annoyed.

I cannot follow rayn's train of thought from a town perspective, I can follow it from a scum perspective.

On August 17 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos, Why do you want to get the possible cop killed?


God you're useless. This is like when you yelled at xata and me for discussing oberyn's watcher claim.
I even mentioned that I'd rather lynch you instead of sharrant/mocsta since sharrant should die anyway if he's town before xata did.

Like, it's like you read a post and your first thought is "what question can I ask him?" and then your thought process ends and you post a question.

BRB
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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