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Why did Xatalos do a 180 on his read on Koshi at some point? | ||
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On August 20 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote: what did you guys think of the setup? was it fun to play? too complicated? too weird? from reading the scum qt it seemed like some people REALLY got into the pm part of the game, and some almost ignored it entirely. what were your experiences? I think the setup was fun. Scum were like "wtf" in the beginning when we had 11 factional KP (that would remain regardless of how many scum were alive) and people would not die on N1. :D The Lord mechanic is interesting mechanic and mafia needs to be active to gain power in town. I think we succeeded well in that, at least me & Acro. yamato should have played more fearlessly and would definitely survived longer if he had just taken a leader position in his house and directed the game in his way by being a lord on D1. I had ~200 PM's with people, and FirmTofu & nachodude & Ace compared sent me around 5 Pm's. ^^ Some other thoughts: I feel sorry for Mocsta & johnnywup. It was really easy to discredit you guys. johnnywup because he responded to attacks on him by getting overly defensive and because he really didn't do much. Sorry if this left some bad feelings for you, nothing personal, it's just a game. :/ Mocsta was obviously clueless at the beginning because of replacing and i just thought "well, you're gonna get lynched before you figure this shit out". Do you guys seriously not bluehunt as town? I am kinda amazed, because i always do that as town. The town roleblocker rant i had with Clarity / Xatalos would have really screwed me over if i was town because tbh i would have done the same thing if i was town, and i felt like that was the most pro-town action i did during the whole game. In fact i think that was the closest thing to "advanced scumhunting" there was in thread the whole game. I didn't like vivax throwing the game like he did. He could have probably survived just by posting something, fuck anything. SnB's defense was not the best one. Mafia needed to throw shit at many places to keep town distrusting others and we succeeded in that. If anyone had PM'd with Risen much they would have realized he was town pretty easily. He was very open in PM's and was willing to back off from bad reads when talked about them. Also his first reads post was pretty clearly town. Who the hell goes 100% against the thread sentiment in their first real post in the game with that big of a post. There was clearly much thought in it, he was just at the wrong track. Apparently none of the lords really discussed his reads with him on D2 and D3? Another thing regarding that is that in this setup town needed to have a good atmosphere in their house. I do not know how other houses succeeded. If i was town i would have let Risen be the lord on D2 and on D3 aswell. There is no reason to battle out with your town reads. You just need to get everyone to consolidate on a towniest read in your house, PM much with each other and work from there. See who is trying to distract the house thought process (as mafia needs to do that). Koshi was nearly caught on N0 by Dandel because of that (i assume). Good thing is townies did turn it against the whole house somehow. :D All in all the game was funny. I would have loved to see Ace not get modkilled, i wanted to see if i can deal with him or not. ^^ | ||
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On August 20 2013 16:25 WaveofShadow wrote: That means he was doing a good job as scum, honestly. I'm thinking I see a little of your character flaws showing through here. It was a little like the other day when I made some lighthearted jabs at you sucking on LoL and you took it kinda personally. For the most part people on mafia don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings and any animosity present ingame often disappears as soon as the game is finished. There is no reason to take anything anyone says to heart, whether in this game, or any other. I can definitely understand your feelings because afaik you're a little new to the community here (and maybe on LoL as well?) and you may not be used to that sort of thing. People on TL are your friends, man! Just try and lighten up a little bit.  That's 100% true. Also for the record; If i ever call anyone bad / stupid in game (even when i am town) that is only for their play and nothing personal. I always try no not personally insult people. EDIT: I have personally experieced this in one game on another forum where another townie flamed me for an housr and told me that i should never play again because i was wrong in D1. I just thought "fuck you, i'll show you how bad i am", ended up directing all town and mafia actions where i wanted to, bullshitted the mafia to hit the doc target and confirmed everyone as town or mafia and mafia conceded on D2. You can turn these things into victory if you gain strength from those happenings instead of getting demotivated. | ||
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On August 20 2013 15:30 Ace wrote: I was spending so much time reading and there was nothing worth talking about since yamato was going to be lynched. I screwed up and got myself modkilled before I got to make a real contribution. And i got accused of "not posting anything when there was important things going on". I had no idea what to say, other than "lol?" ^_^ | ||
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He is the best conspiracy theorist ever. haha. | ||
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I don't think you played bad, you just needed some support you didn't have. | ||
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good guise! you fooled me at least. ^_^ Also, i did try to play 'til the very end. 0,1% chance of working but i had to try: + Show Spoiler + "Okay, i have been thinking about this and either way, if you are mafia you will probably win. So here it is: I am Aeron, a Town Jailkeeper. I can jail a person other than me each night. It will roleblock them and heal them up to 4 HP in case they take damage during that night (i asked and it does not work for the previous nights). N1 i jailed Xatalos, for me he was the towniest person out there at that time. N2 i jailed Sharrant. He claimed one shot cop, so i thought he had no more checks. On N3 i jailed Grackaroni because i think he is town and thought he was a person mafia would hit knowing that there is a possible protective role alive. I voted Onegu because he somehow seemed to know there is a town roleblocker. I thought mafia roleblocked Sharrant aswell on N2 and Onegu fakeclaimed the roleblock to make me claim or/and to cast doubt in town (see the whole fucking discussion on the roleblocks D4). I talked about this with other lords on D4 (when i voted for Onegu). Dandel called me stupid and said Onegu is town and he never explained that better. Grackaroni never answered me. Acrofales said i was probably right and voted Onegu with me. Then i went to bed. The game is lost anyways if you are scum, so: - I have no idea who is mafia. Probably Acrofales (at least if i die tonight), johnnywup, and one of Chromatically/Dandel. Maybe even Sharrant. - Who should i shoot? Is Acrofales okay? - I am gonna vote for myself as a lord. I hope you vote for me too. If i die you are the lord and you can lynch Acrofales (as apparently the game is not over yet, and he is confirmed mafia then). - If you are mafia you won't vote for me anyways so it's whatever." lol. | ||
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yamato and vivax: I think you guys should play more carelessly. To me it felt like you were avoiding posting because of fear of getting caught (although you were busy). You both are good players as town but your scumplay is easily detectable because it's so different from your town play. Just post stuff and keep your opinions. Both of you could have easily escaped the lynch (in yamato's case the check) purely by posting more. Chromatically: You were really good in gathering information and proving your towniness early on. Like, awesome! You have well thought out posts and apparenty you did awesome in PM-land. At some point i felt like your activity dropped significantly. If you can keep that up you're going to do even better. Good job! Koshi: Fantasticly disruptive dude! ^^ You had some clear shiny posts (for example the gumshoe thing). That's how you get out of bad situations. I think you were a bit unsure of yourself at some points of the game, but you see; Just go ahead and post, make a conspiracy theory and stick with it like you did and see, people think you are town. You did handle situations well when you actually started handling them. You need a bit more confidence in yourself but all in all you are a good disruptive scumplayer! Acrofales: A guy that i work with very well as mafia. We have a different kind of playstyle and i loved playing scum with him. He was the analytical part (besides Chrom) in our team and handled that part very well. The only thing that i did not like was the buss on me. That could have ended up pretty badly (as we could not "work together" after that). I think you should have dropped it after our "misuderstanding" on D2 as it was clearly a stupid rant. You are also really good in proving your towniness as mafia. A good addition to a scumteam where i am, different "qualities" and easy to work with. If yamato & vivax were just more active i think we had insanely good team that was a pleasure to work with. Very transparent team with people with different abilities to screw with town. Thank you guys! | ||
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On August 20 2013 17:06 Ace wrote: You brought up the PM fiasco which at first made me think you were town because I did mess up. But you kept talking about it and being worried I wasn't PMing you. I dont think anyone should really care that someone isn't PMing them unless it's a clear issue of them hiding info. Besides most people know I rarely PM people in these kinds of games since Townies do dumb things like hide info that needs to be public and trust each other too much in PM land. Wait what PM fiasco? Also my town!"train of thought" was "Ace is clueless -> why does he not ask me what's going on because i could easily answer him". I could have probably defended that. | ||
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On August 20 2013 17:08 Xatalos wrote: I disagree heavily. I was slightly leaning town, but Risen was so hard to PM with.... No logic, stupid theories, starting to say I'm 100% scum for nonexistent reasons... Afterwards just silence. Okay, in hindsight, he really did have a townie mindset, just otherwise so horrible to communicate with that it was hard to say for sure. Hmm.. I dunno why but for me Risen was really easy to PM with. Different people need to be talked differently with. Like, i seriously need to figure out in how to work with Clarity in the future. There has now been two games where we have had really stupid rants with each other because i can't get my message clearly to him. I dunno what's up with that (of course in this game i did not really care and just went on and on with it :D). | ||
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On August 20 2013 17:21 Ace wrote: you told me to vote for you iirc, but I didn't read it and instead voted for Risen. If Scum shot him we would have no lord so you voted for yourself instead. But I told you this and you brought the issue of me not PMing you up again later which made me think you might just be trying to throw dirt which is scummy. Then Risen's actions later caused me to kind of drop it and wonder why he didn't case you. Oh okay. That was really a random thought, i don't even know why i brought that up. I tend to post whatever comes to mind and i didn't really understand why did you vote for Risen. I "had a townread on you" all the time, i could not possibly see why you would be mafia (as i wouldn't as town), as i think i recognize the differences in your scum/town play. | ||
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On August 20 2013 17:44 Xatalos wrote: Lol, I dunno why you had difficulties with Clarity. He was one of the only players in the game who I could communicate fluently with. But Risen... I still have nightmares. Maybe it's because it felt like he was living in his own world or something. After he decided something, it was the only truth and nothing else mattered. No matter how stupid it was. Townie decisiveness? Scummy intentional confirmation bias? Hard to say for sure. The final nail in the coffin was when he started to accuse me with something out of thin air. And then... No apology. Nothing. Just total silence. I lost my interest to cooperate with him after that, and finally I managed to get him to shoot johnnywup (and be didn't even honor our agreement). Can you blame me for doubting his townieness? Of course i do not blame you. ^^ That's why i said some people work well with some people and others don't. I hope i am able to figure out what i do wrong with Clarity because i think he is one of the best players around and i hate when i can't work with him fully. I tend to work fine with you when we are both town (see NWM). In this game you had some weird things you said (for example i thought you would understand my logic on D4 about the town roleblocker thing, because there was no flaws in my logic, whether or not i am right). Also the "people are town because of PM's" would have frustrated me as much if i was town as it did now. There is no reason to have a town circle if you are not going anywhere with it and all the people do not stick together in thread. You were the only peron in the town circle who expressed thoughts and everyone else stayed pretty much silent. Clarity had differing opinions on some things (mainly Vivax/SnB) so it was quite easy to call you guys out for it. | ||
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And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare: 1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own? 2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that? | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Dude I broke that shit down. You had to either call me scum for the same logic, or call me scum for being angry with you, both were terrible reasons and it SCREAMED scum making stuff up on the spot. I actually called you scum because of "you refusing to give me information to figure out your alignment better". I know i was not clear enough but it was 50% my fault and 50% you yelling at me for nothing. | ||
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